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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:50 am

dmstorm22 wrote:
CaliAtenza wrote:
I had to come out to Chicago for some personal work from LAX and I'm seeing fares as low as $65 on United one way, last minute. Booked my return earlier tonight...its $65 on basic economy but still.


Yup fares are creating.

been doing a project in Toronto, my normal EWR-YYZ-EWR fare is around $450-550, right now getting it at $150-200 RT. Of course, at the same moment we've restricted travel....


That's a great price! I think the airlines are also being very accommodating right now; I was able to change my basic economy seat at the gate in ORD from the last row to the front of economy. It was still a middle seat, but I'm glad I didn't have to ride in the back. Btw, the Thales system on United blows hard :(. Didn't have internet for most of the flight over :(.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:03 am

Saudi Arabia to suspend all international flights effective from tonight for at least 2 weeks

https://twitter.com/alexinair/status/12 ... 25824?s=21
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:29 am

Lootess wrote:
jagraham wrote:
It will be interesting to see if the European airlines can maintain any flights to US (except for BA and VS) considering the suspension. It takes effect at midnight, so we will see tomorrow . . .


AF said they are, to CDC-approved airports. MIA, BOS, and IAH need approval.


At AF JFK latest from management is we are going down to 1 daily flight (from 5 today) starting Monday March 16th. AF 006/007. No real feel for how long - no one knows.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:35 am

qf789 wrote:
Saudi Arabia to suspend all international flights effective from tonight for at least 2 weeks

https://twitter.com/alexinair/status/12 ... 25824?s=21


Not entirely true, from Sunday 11AM local time.

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1641271/saudi-arabia
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:36 am

How come AF22 from Paris is heading to New York, is it taking back just US citizens? It is to the SW of Ireland at the moment....
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:36 am

Can anyone list the approved gateway airports into the US from today on please?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:49 am

According to this website, passenger traffic in Madrid was down 15.6% in the first week of March, and in Barcelona -19.8%. Of course that will be nothing to compare to the evolving situation with far more restrictions.

https://www.preferente.com/noticias-de- ... 98207.html

Interestingly AENA presented yesterday the numbers for February which are still positive (+6,0% for MAD and +0,4% for BCN).

http://www.aena.es/csee/ccurl/322/548/2 ... o_2020.pdf
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:54 am

AndyW35 wrote:
How come AF22 from Paris is heading to New York, is it taking back just US citizens? It is to the SW of Ireland at the moment....


We have 5 flights today (PAR-JFK) and 4 (PAR-JFK) on Sunday. Monday we go down to just 1 flight in either direction, that is what we're told. Flights are fuller Paris to NYC and less so in other direction. Demand is falling fast.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:18 am

HKG reports a 68% fall in passenger traffic in February

https://twitter.com/journodannyaero/sta ... 79584?s=21
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:36 am

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I'm just thinking about something, if you still travel, can you still get travel insurance ?


Yes you can, but if you travel against the advice of your Government, the insurance policy will almost certainly be void.

For example - I had a trip booked to China and returning via Hong Kong in April. I spoke to my travel insurance company about it a few weeks ago. They told me I couldn't claim if I cancelled "because I was scared to travel". Almost all policies have clauses that exclude fear of travel because of pandemics.

Since I spoke to them, most of my flights have been rescheduled or flat-out cancelled (so I've got refunds for all my flights). Unfortunately, I have several hotel bookings which are non-refundable which I shall be trying to claim back from insurance on the basis that UK Government advice is to not travel to China, all arrivals into Beijing have to undergo 14 day quarantine and all arrivals into Hong Kong from China have to undergo 14 day quarantine - so my trip is now impossible anyway. It will be interesting to see what they say.

There is obviously going to be a huge hit on insurance companies, so we can all expect premiums to soar in the future.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:51 am

qf789 wrote:
HKG reports a 68% fall in passenger traffic in February

https://twitter.com/journodannyaero/sta ... 79584?s=21


Will the Hong Kong Govt consider a bailout of Cathay Pacific if necessary ? Shareholders would of course be wiped out...
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:54 am

factsonly wrote:
AndyW35 wrote:
How come AF22 from Paris is heading to New York, is it taking back just US citizens? It is to the SW of Ireland at the moment....


You are assuming EU airlines stop flying to the USA, this is not correct.

A number of European airlines are maintaining regular operations to CDC approved US airports, as many US citizens are flying home.


Aer Lingus has a full north American schedule (for the moment). BOS, BDL, JFK, EWR, PHL, IAD, MCO, MIA, ORD, MSP, YYZ, SEA, SFO and LAX. Not sure how long this can be maintained. Having US CBP in Ireland probably helps.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:56 am

Icelandair had 8 scheduled flights to the US today. Only 2 of these (MSP, MCO) have been cancelled while JFK, EWR, IAD, BOS, ORD, SEA are on time.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:03 am

Are Spanish airports putting restrictions on as all Jet2 flights are doing U turns and heading back to UK
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:14 am

Uk advised ‘all but essential travel’ to many parts of Spain, maybe this is the cause?


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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:18 am

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Are Spanish airports putting restrictions on as all Jet2 flights are doing U turns and heading back to UK

FR24 does not show any U turns.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:26 am

Look at the history of EXS89EA. GLA to ALC turned around over central France
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:29 am

readytotaxi wrote:
Mullion wrote:
Are Spanish airports putting restrictions on as all Jet2 flights are doing U turns and heading back to UK

FR24 does not show any U turns.


Check again. They are probably all landed now, but FR24 twitter feed shows that 7 were turned back.

You can read a press release about it from Jet2.com here:
https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/jet2-flights-spain-turned-round-17924343
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:30 am

Here is the Jet2 press release mentioned in my last post:

In response to local measures introduced throughout Spain to prevent the spread of COVID-19, including the closure of bars, restaurants, shops and activities including any water sports, we have taken the decision to cancel all flights to Mainland Spain, the Balearic Islands and the Canary Islands with immediate effect. We know these local measures will have a significant impact on our customers’ holidays, which is why we have taken this decision.
We are contacting our customers who are currently in these destinations, and who are due to travel, to advise them of their options, so we urge customers not to call us.
This is a fast-moving and complex situation and we are reviewing our programme as a matter of urgency, so that we can fly customers back to the UK.
The health and safety of our customers is our number one priority, and we would like to thank our customers for their understanding.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:43 am

Due to cut capacity for cargo in passenger airplanes, Lufthansa Cargo seems to get more and more demand for cargo flights to China. The demand is so high, that the prices for cargo space has tripled or even quadrupled. Lufthansa is now planning to use stored long haul passenger aircraft for selective cargo operations:
https://www.aero.de/news-34450/Lufthans ... e-ein.html (German)

I've also read an article, that LH Cargo may be deferring the planned MD-11 retirement, but I can't find that anymore, so maybe that was a false report and has been edited from the articles.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:49 am

rrbarna wrote:
I don't see this discussed anywhere, but what happens to outgoing mail from mainland Europe to the USA? All of it gets carried on civilian airliners which as of today no longer fly to the USA.


From what I know Lufthansa will still keep on flying to EWR and ORD, Swiss as well. Austrian Airlines on the other hand will keep on flying to ORD. Despite dropping all flights to mainland Europe, Delta will keep on flying to London.

So the US is not cut off completely from the Old Continent. Furthermore, if there is really a need for extra capacity, flights to Canada and Mexico are operating normally so they can be flown to there and then transported to the US via road.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:13 am

Blerg wrote:
rrbarna wrote:
Despite dropping all flights to mainland Europe, Delta will keep on flying to London.


Delta is cutting most of US-Europe flying but will continue to serve LHR, DUB, AMS and CDG on its own metal starting this coming Monday (16 March), with one daily flight each on:
ATL-LHR
ATL-AMS
ATL-CDG
JFK-LHR
JFK-DUB
DTW-LHR
DTW-AMS

I assume they are not serving JFK-CDG and JFK-AMS as they are being left to AF and KL.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:22 am

Flights will keep flying, both to take US Citizens back from Europe and for returning passengers (EU and Beyond) from the US
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:47 am

Vasu wrote:
On 4th April I’m due to fly LHR-FRA-PHX with Lufthansa and Condor. At the moment my original LHR to FRA has been cancelled and I’ve been moved to another flight (actually slightly more convenient), and the FRA to PHX Condor flight is still claiming to be operating.

If the Condor flight to PHX still goes ahead, would we be able to transit through FRA en route? We would technically not enter Germany... I have read contradictory claims in different places. Can anyone help?

Or is Condor likely to cancel FRA to PHX anyway?


I think you can forget about it, because the USA will not allow that flight to land in the USA. If I were you I would plan to postpone your trip, get a refund or find another way of getting there (i.e. get on a direct flight from the UK to the USA whilst you still can). It's likely that flights from the UK to the USA will also be cancelled soon.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:51 am

EASA is going to recommend operators space passengers out on flights which are not full to reduce the risk of communicable disease spread: https://www.flightglobal.com/safety/eas ... 60.article

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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:51 am

EU is opening up for a number of ways to provide state supported liquidity assistance, including to airlines

https://ec.europa.eu/competition/state_ ... id_19.html

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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:07 pm

Dutch authorities yesterday announced : flights from China, Iran, Italy and South Korea are not allowed to land in the Netherlands anymore if they departed after friday 18:00 CET.
Interesting to see KE925 from ICN to AMS is still on it's way.

KLM announced it will phase out it's remaining 747 passenger fleet by the end of march 2020 instead of the planned 2021.... :(

Question : if KLM is allowed to fly US citizens to the US. And if KLM is allowed to pick up Dutch people from CUR. Why don't they fly a full plane from AMS to for example ATL. Fly empty to CUR and full CUR-AMS ?
That would save a lot of money I assume.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:21 pm

kevertje wrote:

KLM announced it will phase out it's remaining 747 passenger fleet by the end of march 2020 instead of the planned 2021.... :(


Confirmed unfortunately, 3 full-pax 744's and 4 combi 74E's will all be gone by the end of the month. Drastic times
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:22 pm

I just tried to move up our spring break to hawaii and figured there would be plenty of open seats for our flights. Well there are open seats but AA said I'd be charged the flight costs which amounted to $360 per ticket x5 people so that answered my question. We also are slated to be in a wedding in Cabo in Sept and figured now would be a good time to secure low fares from DSM to Cabo but the prices are still at $700/ person. So apparently it's not all doom and gloom as we all keep reading. Patience might be the virtue here. If this is wrong forum for this please move.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:25 pm

CaliAtenza wrote:
dmstorm22 wrote:
CaliAtenza wrote:
I had to come out to Chicago for some personal work from LAX and I'm seeing fares as low as $65 on United one way, last minute. Booked my return earlier tonight...its $65 on basic economy but still.


Yup fares are creating.

been doing a project in Toronto, my normal EWR-YYZ-EWR fare is around $450-550, right now getting it at $150-200 RT. Of course, at the same moment we've restricted travel....


That's a great price! I think the airlines are also being very accommodating right now; I was able to change my basic economy seat at the gate in ORD from the last row to the front of economy. It was still a middle seat, but I'm glad I didn't have to ride in the back. Btw, the Thales system on United blows hard :(. Didn't have internet for most of the flight over :(.


I do not see the change in fares; then again, I don't fly coach. Fares to Sydney from LAX in J for my dates in May is still close to $7,000. And I refuse to pay that.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:39 pm

How are airlines dealing with refunding "undesirable" travellers?
If you are prohibited entry/transit in a country because you are from/have transited in a specific country: does this make your trip refundable?

If you had booked a trip for which you cannot hold a proper visa, it's normally your responsibility, so you don't get refunded. But if the rules for visa get changed after the moment you booked? I'm looking at a Website of a travel agent (Kiwi) who makes it sounds as if Corona-restrictions were on the same level as visa problems, hence guiding you to the non-refundable cancellation button. Which I guess is unfair.
Does this depend on the airline / travel agent?

It would also make some empty planes not so "empty", if many ticket sold cannot be refunded for this reason...
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:05 pm

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UPS757Pilot wrote:
Could the major pax carriers fly belly freight for profit with no passengers onboard? Asia freight costs are approaching $10 per kilo. There’s got to be some money to be made with a 777 or the like.


Cathay Dragon is doing just that, using A330s...flying passenger frames with no passengers (except maybe loadmasters).

As for Qantas to the USA, these equipment changes:

To SFO from
BNE: Cancelled
MEL: Cancelled
SYD: B744 instead of B789

To LAX from:
BNE: B789 (no changes - continues on to JFK)
MEL: B789 instead of A388
SYD: A388 (no changes)

To DFW from:
SYD: B789 instead of A388 - basically more than half a percent reduction in capacity.

To ORD from:
BNE: Pushed back to mid-September.

Also, all service to LHR will now be via PER, with QF1/2 moving to SYD-PER-LHR. SIN service will become terminator service. (Overall PER-LHR will be double daily, all on the B789.)

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-12mar20/


So the only A388 to the US is SYD to LAX.

It's really interesting that QF is flying a 744 SYD - SFO. They have a lot of other equipment they can use. Cargo??

But the big one is flying all LHR service nonstop from PER, and the SIN routing becomes a terminator. The cost benefit must be in favor of the nonstop even more than previously suspected. Or QF is taking the opportunity to have its England passengers experience the ULH nonstop . . plus it's completely under QF control that way.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:28 pm

XJ (Thai AirAsia X) are shutting down from 5 April to 30 June. At this stage they expect to resume ops 1 July.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:33 pm

jagraham wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
UPS757Pilot wrote:
Could the major pax carriers fly belly freight for profit with no passengers onboard? Asia freight costs are approaching $10 per kilo. There’s got to be some money to be made with a 777 or the like.


Cathay Dragon is doing just that, using A330s...flying passenger frames with no passengers (except maybe loadmasters).

As for Qantas to the USA, these equipment changes:

To SFO from
BNE: Cancelled
MEL: Cancelled
SYD: B744 instead of B789

To LAX from:
BNE: B789 (no changes - continues on to JFK)
MEL: B789 instead of A388
SYD: A388 (no changes)

To DFW from:
SYD: B789 instead of A388 - basically more than half a percent reduction in capacity.

To ORD from:
BNE: Pushed back to mid-September.

Also, all service to LHR will now be via PER, with QF1/2 moving to SYD-PER-LHR. SIN service will become terminator service. (Overall PER-LHR will be double daily, all on the B789.)

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-12mar20/


So the only A388 to the US is SYD to LAX.

It's really interesting that QF is flying a 744 SYD - SFO. They have a lot of other equipment they can use. Cargo??

But the big one is flying all LHR service nonstop from PER, and the SIN routing becomes a terminator. The cost benefit must be in favor of the nonstop even more than previously suspected. Or QF is taking the opportunity to have its England passengers experience the ULH nonstop . . plus it's completely under QF control that way.

QF had to make drastic changes by delaying SYDSCL remaining on a B747 whilst SYDSFO reverts back to B747 freeing up the B789’s to operate SYDPERLHR.


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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:39 pm

kimimm19 wrote:
Can anyone list the approved gateway airports into the US from today on please?


The 11 approved airports in the United States accepting except passengers from Europe are:

Atlanta: Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport (ATL)
Chicago: Chicago O’Hare International Airport (ORD)
Dallas-Fort Worth: Dallas Fort Worth International Airport (DFW)
Detroit: Detroit Metropolitan Airport (DTW)
Honolulu: Daniel K. Inouye International Airport (HNL)
Los Angeles: Los Angeles International Airport (LAX)
New York City: John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK)
Newark, New Jersey: Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR)
San Francisco: San Francisco International Airport (SFO)
Seattle: Seattle-Tacoma International Airport (SEA)
Washington, D.C.: Washington-Dulles International Airport (IAD)


https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/healt ... d07a415594

BOS and MIA were added in a second announcement.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:44 pm

scbriml wrote:
Aesma wrote:
I'm just thinking about something, if you still travel, can you still get travel insurance ?


Yes you can, but if you travel against the advice of your Government, the insurance policy will almost certainly be void.

For example - I had a trip booked to China and returning via Hong Kong in April. I spoke to my travel insurance company about it a few weeks ago. They told me I couldn't claim if I cancelled "because I was scared to travel". Almost all policies have clauses that exclude fear of travel because of pandemics.

Since I spoke to them, most of my flights have been rescheduled or flat-out cancelled (so I've got refunds for all my flights). Unfortunately, I have several hotel bookings which are non-refundable which I shall be trying to claim back from insurance on the basis that UK Government advice is to not travel to China, all arrivals into Beijing have to undergo 14 day quarantine and all arrivals into Hong Kong from China have to undergo 14 day quarantine - so my trip is now impossible anyway. It will be interesting to see what they say.

There is obviously going to be a huge hit on insurance companies, so we can all expect premiums to soar in the future.

Not sure where you are staying, but a lot of hotels are offering refunds now, even on non-refundable rates.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:47 pm

JayBCN wrote:
And I meant to say ORY-PTP-PPT would be the longest domestic route, wouldn’t it?


Yes. Also, as far as non stops go, PTP-PPT is 5591nm, which is longer than the current longest domestic flight, CDG-RUN, 5,048 nm.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:48 pm

EK413 wrote:
jagraham wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:

Cathay Dragon is doing just that, using A330s...flying passenger frames with no passengers (except maybe loadmasters).

As for Qantas to the USA, these equipment changes:

To SFO from
BNE: Cancelled
MEL: Cancelled
SYD: B744 instead of B789

To LAX from:
BNE: B789 (no changes - continues on to JFK)
MEL: B789 instead of A388
SYD: A388 (no changes)

To DFW from:
SYD: B789 instead of A388 - basically more than half a percent reduction in capacity.

To ORD from:
BNE: Pushed back to mid-September.

Also, all service to LHR will now be via PER, with QF1/2 moving to SYD-PER-LHR. SIN service will become terminator service. (Overall PER-LHR will be double daily, all on the B789.)

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-12mar20/


So the only A388 to the US is SYD to LAX.

It's really interesting that QF is flying a 744 SYD - SFO. They have a lot of other equipment they can use. Cargo??

But the big one is flying all LHR service nonstop from PER, and the SIN routing becomes a terminator. The cost benefit must be in favor of the nonstop even more than previously suspected. Or QF is taking the opportunity to have its England passengers experience the ULH nonstop . . plus it's completely under QF control that way.

QF had to make drastic changes by delaying SYDSCL remaining on a B747 whilst SYDSFO reverts back to B747 freeing up the B789’s to operate SYDPERLHR.


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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:59 pm

Mentioned it a few pages back, but got some more solid information now. Spoke with my account rep at a Big 3 US airline last night and was told that there are very serious discussions indeed to running pax aircraft TATL with only cargo aboard once the passenger demand completely dries up. The particular airline apparently has pharma/life sciences in mind as the "base" cargo for this possibility/probability.

That would be huge for my company.

Conversely, I didn't expect my first major "miss" of a shipment would be because of Argentina. Up until yesterday, despite all the turmoil with flight cancellations worldwide from COVID-19, I had no US export misses. Well, Argentina just changed that. With the announcement of cancellation of flights into there, we're scrambling to figure out if freighters are going to fly either direct or indirect services connecting the US and AR. I've got 2 shipments to EZE squeezing in under the closing gate tomorrow with flights out of Atlanta and Miami, but a third shipment got pulled for Tuesday.

Interesting problem with the one shipment for tomorrow, but we got into a quandary with C-Safe. Because the cargo likely won't get delivered to the consignee until Tuesday, and that's the day flights stop, we'd have no way of getting the C-Safes out of Argentina and back to a C-Safe depot since C-Safe doesn't have one in AR. The containers would've been marooned there until the flight ban lifted. Fortunately, we were able to negotiate with the forwarder, airline, and C-Safe to come to an agreement on how to deal with this in a reasonable manner given the cancellations.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:01 pm

cledaybuck wrote:
scbriml wrote:
Aesma wrote:
I'm just thinking about something, if you still travel, can you still get travel insurance ?


Yes you can, but if you travel against the advice of your Government, the insurance policy will almost certainly be void.

For example - I had a trip booked to China and returning via Hong Kong in April. I spoke to my travel insurance company about it a few weeks ago. They told me I couldn't claim if I cancelled "because I was scared to travel". Almost all policies have clauses that exclude fear of travel because of pandemics.

Since I spoke to them, most of my flights have been rescheduled or flat-out cancelled (so I've got refunds for all my flights). Unfortunately, I have several hotel bookings which are non-refundable which I shall be trying to claim back from insurance on the basis that UK Government advice is to not travel to China, all arrivals into Beijing have to undergo 14 day quarantine and all arrivals into Hong Kong from China have to undergo 14 day quarantine - so my trip is now impossible anyway. It will be interesting to see what they say.

There is obviously going to be a huge hit on insurance companies, so we can all expect premiums to soar in the future.

Not sure where you are staying, but a lot of hotels are offering refunds now, even on non-refundable rates.


Apparently not the hotels I was using in China. :mad:
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:01 pm

KLM to fire 2,000.

https://www.businesstimes.com.sg/transp ... -2000-jobs

[AMSTERDAM] KLM, the Dutch subsidiary of Air France-KLM, plans to slash up to 2,000 jobs and ask for government support as it cuts working hours by one-third for its entire staff amid the global coronavirus outbreak, the company said on Friday.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:15 pm

My optimistic view has quickly changed. How can these airlines recover. This is so sad...as commercial aviation enthusiasts, we are all depressed. All of the US large carriers were planning marginal increases in international growth markets... that is over. It will take years to restore where we were just weeks ago. I’m particularly curious as to what happens to all of the new aircraft to be delivered this year (350’s and 339’s for Delta) and the new orders for AA and US.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:25 pm

jagraham wrote:
So the only A388 to the US is SYD to LAX.

It's really interesting that QF is flying a 744 SYD - SFO. They have a lot of other equipment they can use. Cargo??

But the big one is flying all LHR service nonstop from PER, and the SIN routing becomes a terminator. The cost benefit must be in favor of the nonstop even more than previously suspected. Or QF is taking the opportunity to have its England passengers experience the ULH nonstop . . plus it's completely under QF control that way.

I suppose their 747 crews still need to fly somewhere? Cargo-wise the 789 should be about equal if not better than the 744.

With PER vs SIN, I guess a reason is to avoid transiting a third country (even if passengers don't go through Singaporean immigration). Less risk in these volatile times.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:26 pm

The US DoD just banned all service members and civilians (and their families) from DOMESTIC travel until May 11. Another big hit to airlines.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:36 pm

I'm curious as to why HNL is one of the approved airports for flights from Europe as they have no direct service. Adjacency to a large military facility perhaps?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:36 pm

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So I can’t work out the route demographics. Why does a flight the day before from Houston to Miami have 20 on board, then the next day a 767 from Miami to Philly is full to the point of bursting. What’s the rationale?\

Guessing it could be Spring break but could it also be inbound international connections? Expatriates are coming back from all over, not just Europe, blame (irrational) fear all international travel is next after TATL. I saw the same this week. Morning flight to IAD half empty, and yesterday when returning, I noticed the gates for domestic flights were very busy right after the international arrival banks.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:42 pm

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kimimm19 wrote:
Can anyone list the approved gateway airports into the US from today on please?


The 11 approved airports in the United States accepting except passengers from Europe are:

Atlanta: Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport (ATL)
Chicago: Chicago O’Hare International Airport (ORD)
Dallas-Fort Worth: Dallas Fort Worth International Airport (DFW)
Detroit: Detroit Metropolitan Airport (DTW)
Honolulu: Daniel K. Inouye International Airport (HNL)
Los Angeles: Los Angeles International Airport (LAX)
New York City: John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK)
Newark, New Jersey: Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR)
San Francisco: San Francisco International Airport (SFO)
Seattle: Seattle-Tacoma International Airport (SEA)
Washington, D.C.: Washington-Dulles International Airport (IAD)


https://www.wcnc.com/article/news/healt ... d07a415594

BOS and MIA were added in a second announcement.


No IAH, wow.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:44 pm

Spain has just announced that from Monday morning it is forbidden to leave home unless strictly necessary. https://elpais.com/espana/2020-03-14/el ... mayor.html

I reckon that will mean cancelling all commercial flights to/from Spain.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:47 pm

On a flight from Houston->Miami in early spring, I would guess the proportion of pax who do not live in/near Miami is high. A flight like Miami->Philadelphia presumably has many more people who live in Philadelphia and are returning from a holiday

Right now, I imagine a lot of people are expecting a shutdown of flights, and just trying to get back to their home where they have the best chance of riding it out with maximum resources for lowest cost

Would you go on a week's vacation right now, in the knowledge that you might not be able to get home in a reliable manner ?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:48 pm

Here are some updates I’ve gathered from my sources at www.delta.com and www.airfrance.fr for travel beyond March 13:

DELTA AIR LINES maintains its’ 5x/weekly nonstop (Boeing 777) services to the French Capital from Los Angeles & v.v. after March 13, 2020.

Additionally, AIR FRANCE will maintain (up to 3x/daily) nonstop services between Paris and Los Angeles. AF will continue A380 and 777-200 services between the city pair.

Lastly, AF will maintain 3x/weekly nonstop 777-200 service between Los Angeles and Pape’ete. Eventually, Los Angeles could lose the AF-operated Pape’ete flight in favor of a new Paris/CDG - Pape’ete (via Vancouver) service.

Side note: As from 07:42 (PST) local time on 14 March, 2020, AF066 from CDG is currently en route to LAX. The A380 is expected to arrive with slight delay due to operational reasons.

So for some of you, that means yes, some European Airlines will maintain passenger services to the U.S.A.; even after the March 13 deadline.
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