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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:06 pm

32andBelow wrote:
Why are they moving all the planes to the desert. Can’t they literally just leave them at the gate at this point.


Good question.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:07 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Delta widebody fleet en-route en-masse to MZJ today

https://flightaware.com/live/airport/KMZJ/enroute


WOW ... that is a lot of metal going there ... WOW
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:07 pm

32andBelow wrote:
Why are they moving all the planes to the desert. Can’t they literally just leave them at the gate at this point.


Probably a few things, less exposure to elements, lower parking costs (maybe), and most importantly longer term capacity reduction 4+ months.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:08 pm

32andBelow wrote:
Why are they moving all the planes to the desert. Can’t they literally just leave them at the gate at this point.



Dry desert air is better for long term health of the fleet.

Tells me DL is planning a long vacation for those big birds :(
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:09 pm

32andBelow wrote:
Why are they moving all the planes to the desert. Can’t they literally just leave them at the gate at this point.


It's likely cheaper to fly them there ... airports charge to have the planes parked at the gates a lot of money
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:15 pm

LH748

https://www.expedia.co.uk/Flights-Searc ... ida%20Intl.)%2Cto%3AFrankfurt%2C%20Germany%20(FRA)%2Cdeparture%3A18%2F03%2F2020TANYT&passengers=adults%3A1%2Cchildren%3A0%2Cseniors%3A0%2Cinfantinlap%3AY&options=cabinclass%3Aeconomy&mode=search&origref=www.expedia.co.uk

I would check if you can move your flight forward.

If not, there are flights on expedia from £419 tomorrow.

Not ideal, but you could be stranded if you delay.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:16 pm

Norwegian is currently ferrying several B789 to various Scandinavian bases.

- 16 Mar 2020 CDG - OSL DY8982 B789 LN-LNO en-route
- 16 Mar 2020 AMS - SVG DY8985 B789 SE-RXZ en-route
- 15 Mar 2020 CDG - SVG DY8987 B789 LN-LNP Landed 19:36
- 14 Mar 2020 PIK - OSL DY8985 B789 LN-LNK Landed 19:18
- 13 Mar 2020 FCO - ARN DY8983 B789 LN-LNJ Landed 17:25
- 09 Mar 2020 JFK - OSL DY8988 B789 LN-LNX Landed 11.08

Source: FR24
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:16 pm

I believe certain parts stop aging (on paper) if they are stored in a desert condition. I.E. "replace every 24 months" If you can stop the clock on that process that is some cost savings as well. It's also spring in the southeast, keep the airplanes out of potential hail, high wind, and tornado events. They won't have crews available to fly them out of the way on short notice like they would under a normal staffing environment.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:18 pm

A friend of mine has just messaged in to say he’s been made redundant from british airways.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:22 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Delta widebody fleet en-route en-masse to MZJ today

https://flightaware.com/live/airport/KMZJ/enroute

Also on that list of flights is EIN2115 which should be the last flight of A332 EI-EWR on its way to parting/scrapping.
 
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Re: Discussion: Troubles for European Airline Groups, IAG, AFKLM, LH-Group

Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:27 pm

RvA wrote:
Galwayman wrote:
GCT64 wrote:

IAG have been very explicit that they do not think that state aid should go to airlines.
Of course, if VS succeeds in getting aid then you cannot expect BA not to also seek support - that would be foolish.
Personally as a UK taxpayer, I'm against VS getting state aid, plenty of other businesses (especially small ones) need it as much or more than VS and airlines shouldn't be a special case.


VS is essentially owned by Delta . It should get absolutely nothing from the U.K. tax payer


What nonsense is this? What about the employees? They are just meant to be made redundant then because the parent company is foreign? If you draw that line through a lot of people will be out of a job. Doesn’t sound ideal.


If there is demand coming back, those employees will get hired again. Companies go under all the time during downturns, but plenty will get through those downturns. That's how capitalism works.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:28 pm

IrishTexan wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Delta widebody fleet en-route en-masse to MZJ today

https://flightaware.com/live/airport/KMZJ/enroute

Also on that list of flights is EIN2115 which should be the last flight of A332 EI-EWR on its way to parting/scrapping.


And a stray Air Canada MAX 8 from YUL!
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:37 pm

32andBelow wrote:
Why are they moving all the planes to the desert. Can’t they literally just leave them at the gate at this point.

They're not moving all the planes to the desert. Delta is planning for a gradual return of demand. Planes they don't expect to need for months are going to the desert for storage. Prepping planes for long-term storage has a cost (draining all fluids, sealing openings, etc.) that isn't justified if a plane is going to be grounded for only a month or two. Planes that Delta hopes to return to service sooner rather than later are going to be parked throughout the network. In addition to MZJ, Delta is flying several planes to BHM today where it has a facility to park and service them for several weeks (757, 777, A330, etc.).
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:38 pm

US airlines are asking the US federal government for 50 BILLION to keep them operating. 10 airlines in all a part of this requested aid.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/16/us-airl ... iness.html
 
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Re: Discussion: Troubles for European Airline Groups, IAG, AFKLM, LH-Group

Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:38 pm

FluidFlow wrote:
RvA wrote:
Galwayman wrote:

VS is essentially owned by Delta . It should get absolutely nothing from the U.K. tax payer


What nonsense is this? What about the employees? They are just meant to be made redundant then because the parent company is foreign? If you draw that line through a lot of people will be out of a job. Doesn’t sound ideal.


I think it will rather come to the point where a government aid package will be tied to a forced sale from Delta. If the state aid will be paired with the government buying shares it might result in Delta having to sell if they want to save VS.

Wonder is the USA government and Japan for example will have the same mindset, imagine European companies being forced to sell their ownership in companies outside of the EU.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:38 pm

crjflyboy wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Why are they moving all the planes to the desert. Can’t they literally just leave them at the gate at this point.


It's likely cheaper to fly them there ... airports charge to have the planes parked at the gates a lot of money


Actually, most airports don't charge parking fees at leased gates as that is exactly what the lease is for. Airports only charge parking fees when you are using their space (common use gates, remote pads, etc.) That being said, there isn't enough gate space to hold all of these widebodies at hubs plus you have the lovely Spring WX coming up for a lot of hubs that has a lot of thunderstorms and tornadoes. MZJ (and MHV and VCV) have relatively stable WX.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:40 pm

32andBelow wrote:
Why are they moving all the planes to the desert. Can’t they literally just leave them at the gate at this point.

Long term storage. Many of them likely will not be returning for a long time, if ever. The short term storage Delta WB’s seem to be going to the old Precision facility at Birmingham.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:43 pm

Does anyone know why VS choose to permanently end EWR rather than just suspend? Seems that has always been one of their flag ship routes with vs1 and vs2.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 16, 2020 5:44 pm

I see Mikey Boyd, who is still somewhat in denial mode about this crisis is trying to drum up business:

https://www.aviationplanning.com/monday-flash-2-2-2/
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:04 pm

Trudeau closing borders to non-citizens/residents.

Airlines to test people flying in and denied boarding if fails, regardless citizen or not.

International flights only coming in through 4 airports, Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver and Calgary.

US citizens not affected. US/Mexico flights not affected.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:05 pm

Civilian ATC, airport handling and security staff shortages due to them getting ill or in quarantine due to possible exposures could mean very limited operations at a number of airports too. In some countries like France with very militant unions likely there will be staffing problems. I suspect that some airports may limit hours to operations to reduce the number of staff to the absolute minimum necessary. That could limit the operations of remaining flights to critical freight such as medicines, medical equipment and supplies.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:09 pm

The LATAM Group reduces operations by 70%: 40% domestic and 90% international. Includes LATAM Argentina, Brazil, Colombia, Chile, Ecuador & Peru and a very small operation in Paraguay.

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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:14 pm

FlyingElvii wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Why are they moving all the planes to the desert. Can’t they literally just leave them at the gate at this point.

Long term storage. Many of them likely will not be returning for a long time, if ever. The short term storage Delta WB’s seem to be going to the old Precision facility at Birmingham.

Most of the A333 and 764 fleet is used on TATL, which is now essentially shut down thanks to the EU, UK, USA and Canada not letting anybody in. Those aircraft will likely be back in service once the travel restrictions get lifted.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:16 pm

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Lufthansa currently sends some A 340-600 from MUC to BGI to bring back stranded Germans from cruise ships and Caribbean back to Germany. D-AIHL and D-AIHL already arrived yesterday, D-AIHI and D-AIHV just departed in MUC. Additional two B 747-430 also were flown empty to BGI yesterday: D-ABVU and D-ABVR. Must be pretty full currently with parked widebodies at the apron of BGI

BGI sees multiple wide body flights in the winter season the 4 LH birds wont make the ramp full.
 
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U.S. Airline Industry Request $50 Billion Dollar Bailout

Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:16 pm

This should lead to some interesting philosophical discussions.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:18 pm

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The LATAM Group reduces operations by 70%: 40% domestic and 90% international. Includes LATAM Argentina, Brazil, Colombia, Chile, Ecuador & Peru and a very small operation in Paraguay.

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Domestic service in Peru is being suspended 100%.

https://www.desdescl.com/2020/03/latam- ... -peru.html
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Re: U.S. Airline Industry Request $50 Billion Dollar Bailout

Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:22 pm

Bail out everyone. This is an unprecedented situation and one that is impossible to mitigate through planning. The implications of the whole industry (and many many others) all failing causing mass unemployment are wide ranging, and threaten the very fabric of society as we know it.

The governments of the world must do all they can to prevent that.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:25 pm

Tomorrow the EU is going to close borders for non-essential travel for any citizens from outside the EU/EFTA/UK.

https://www.rt.com/news/483250-eu-restr ... ronavirus/
 
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Re: U.S. Airline Industry Request $50 Billion Dollar Bailout

Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:26 pm

Understand that airlines are hurting, but this is treating the symtoms and not the cause.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:26 pm

The US airline is unique in the portion of it's business that is domestic. If they are forced to discontinue operations the knock on effects will be endless. Lives will be destroyed forever. If you are a healthy person with some modest precautions you should be living your life, including staying away from at risk individuals because while you may not get sick you could infect them if you are carrying the virus.

People who are at risk should be taking the proper steps and precautions. But you can't legislate common sense. If these people continue to go out in public, expose themselves and become sick and die while very sad they put themselves in harm's way. In the US we require people to wear seat belts because they save lives but some people don't. And sadly they pay with their lives.

The number of people that would die as the result of a global depression, not just a closure of the travel industry, from various means, including suicide would dwarf the numbers Corona Virus is taking. Not to mention the impact would probably be felt for decades on.
 
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Re: U.S. Airline Industry Request $50 Billion Dollar Bailout

Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:29 pm

teriyaki wrote:
Understand that airlines are hurting, but this is treating the symtoms and not the cause.

What would be your suggestion, let a couple of airlines go under? Have a bunch of people unemployed? Create a mass disruption to the supply chain?


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Re: U.S. Airline Industry Request $50 Billion Dollar Bailout

Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:30 pm

They're specifically asking to be exempt from aviation taxes (including PFCs) until the end of 2021, which would be a huge blow to airports (which are already going to have a lot of problems to deal with).

I realize A4A always has a particular axe to grind against the PFC, but this is a really bad idea.
 
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Re: U.S. Airline Industry Request $50 Billion Dollar Bailout

Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:33 pm

chepos wrote:
teriyaki wrote:
Understand that airlines are hurting, but this is treating the symtoms and not the cause.

What would be your suggestion, let a couple of airlines go under? Have a bunch of people unemployed? Create a mass disruption to the supply chain?


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If airlines go under, that's a symptom. The cause is the virus. You can give airlines all the grants in the world and it won't make a lick of difference if people can't travel because we haven't stopped the virus.

We've already got a massive disruption in the supply chain. We NEED that disruption, because that's the only way to get a handle on containing this outbreak.
 
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Re: U.S. Airline Industry Request $50 Billion Dollar Bailout

Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:35 pm

blockski wrote:
They're specifically asking to be exempt from aviation taxes (including PFCs) until the end of 2021, which would be a huge blow to airports (which are already going to have a lot of problems to deal with).

I realize A4A always has a particular axe to grind against the PFC, but this is a really bad idea.


The federal government can and should easily make up any lost revenue via a general fund appropriation for airports. With depressed demand, airports should be preparing to accelerate projects, once the crisis has passed, so that as demand returns, they're ahead of the curve, instead of behind.
 
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Re: Discussion: Troubles for European Airline Groups, IAG, AFKLM, LH-Group

Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:35 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Galwayman wrote:
VS is essentially owned by Delta . It should get absolutely nothing from the U.K. tax payer


I guess they should just terminate the employees and park the aircraft of the 51% of VS not owned by Delta, right?


I guess that 51% of VS is owned by a billionaire and maybe he should perk up instead of asking us tax payers to pay, right?
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:36 pm

From CNN:

“Lufthansa will be reducing flights by up to 90% due to the spread of coronavirus, it said in a statement.

It also announced Austrian Airlines, a subsidiary of the Lufthansa Group, will suspend all flight operations temporarily starting on Thursday.”
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:37 pm

Arion640 wrote:
A friend of mine has just messaged in to say he’s been made redundant from british airways.


Honestly its so sad to read this. And here we have airlines in the UK asking for a 7 BILLION pound bailout. Why doesn't IAG spend its 9 BILLION EUROS in its reserve and look after its employees. Its Profit over Employees anyday.
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Re: Discussion: Troubles for European Airline Groups, IAG, AFKLM, LH-Group

Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:41 pm

RvA wrote:
Galwayman wrote:
GCT64 wrote:

IAG have been very explicit that they do not think that state aid should go to airlines.
Of course, if VS succeeds in getting aid then you cannot expect BA not to also seek support - that would be foolish.
Personally as a UK taxpayer, I'm against VS getting state aid, plenty of other businesses (especially small ones) need it as much or more than VS and airlines shouldn't be a special case.


VS is essentially owned by Delta . It should get absolutely nothing from the U.K. tax payer


What nonsense is this? What about the employees? They are just meant to be made redundant then because the parent company is foreign? If you draw that line through a lot of people will be out of a job. Doesn’t sound ideal.


he's right! Why should tax payers fork out on private companies! There are billions of reserves with these airlines. Heck a multi billionaire owns 51 % of VS. Ask them to pay up and look after employees. Why should the tax payer?
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:46 pm

alasizon wrote:
KingB123 wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
A friend of mine has just messaged in to say he’s been made redundant from british airways.


Honestly its so sad to read this. And here we have airlines in the UK asking for a 7 BILLION pound bailout. Why doesn't IAG spend its 9 BILLION EUROS in its reserve and look after its employees. Its Profit over Employees anyday.


Not saying it isn't important to care for employees but sometimes companies have to make the decision of whether it is better to care for 50,000 employees for a single month or 40,000 employees for two months.


I am most definitely sure they can support and care for all the employees they have, its just management at the top hate to see their money going down the drain by looking after their employees.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:59 pm

Trinidad and Tobago has closed its border to non-nationals for fourteen days beginning March 17.

http://www.looptt.com/content/covid-19- ... ls-14-days
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:01 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
wexfordflyer wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:

You don’t think it’s embarrassing they cut their first long haul route while it constantly had LFs in the 90s and was high yielding?


Look at what's going on in the world and look at the impact it's having on the aviation industry globally. The US is restricting travel from the UK, and the EU is looking to restrict all non-essential travel to Europe for 30 days.

Normal rules of engagement simply don't apply anymore. It's pure survival mode.

Your comment is the only thing that's embarrassing.


Please get back to me in a month when VS is under because they couldn’t make the right business decisions in a tough time.


THere are unfortunately a lot of airlines that will be going under because of this situation. I've no interest in getting back to you as you only seem interested in throwing out silly statements, without any regard for the current situation.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:07 pm

A text from a friend who works at a large catering company at Heathrow told that she will be without a job by Friday. It;s not just the airlines but the supply chain and their people.
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Re: Rumour:AF-KLM about to get state injection of cash?

Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:17 pm

LTU932 wrote:
marcelh wrote:
Gingersnap wrote:
I mean it's not like most of the EU ever paid much attention to the rules that didn't suit them.


We are facing probably the biggest crisis in Europe since 1945, so this isn't much about "not paying attention to rules that didn't suit them".
Nonetheless, there are many instances where the EU turns a blind eye on nations not sticking to EU regulations, or announce sanctions that never happen, not just with certain current events going way back 5 years ago, but also ten years ago, e.g. when Germany partly nationalised the Commerzbank post-merger with Dresdner Bank, to prevent it from going bankrupt because it's "too big to fail". I believe the federal government still owns shares of it, and I don't think the EU has made a big fuss about the federal government being a shareholder of an otherwise private bank.


Yes that has happened and maybe some bankers should have been prosecuted, but today we are facing a problem which is from another magnitue compared to saving those banks. A huge part of the economy is coming to an almost full stop. This is of such an extremity that "normal" rules clearly don't apply anymore.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:18 pm

readytotaxi wrote:
A text from a friend who works at a large catering company at Heathrow told that she will be without a job by Friday. It;s not just the airlines but the supply chain and their people.


And this will be the hard ones, along with the airport retailers, as their companies do not have the cash reserves to prop them up and if flights don't operate, they don't get paid.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:18 pm

Ok, fine.

Give them the money BUT make it contingent on reinvesting in the employees and not going to shareholders.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:37 pm

Does anyone know if security procedures are any different? Does TSA still require shoe removal? I would imagine walking on the filthy floor is a good way to transmit illness.
 
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Re: U.S. Airline Industry Request $50 Billion Dollar Bailout

Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:41 pm

teriyaki wrote:
Understand that airlines are hurting, but this is treating the symtoms and not the cause.


What is the cause and how would you treat the cause and not the symptoms. In your opinion what should governments around the world do for the airline industry if anything?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:42 pm

Ziyulu wrote:
Does anyone know if security procedures are any different? Does TSA still require shoe removal? I would imagine walking on the filthy floor is a good way to transmit illness.


There have been no changes other than an allowance to bring larger than 3.4oz bottles of sanitizer through the checkpoint. The virus is not spread on contact to your feet, it requires face or open wound contact.
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Re: U.S. Airline Industry Request $50 Billion Dollar Bailout

Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:59 pm

jayunited wrote:
teriyaki wrote:
Understand that airlines are hurting, but this is treating the symtoms and not the cause.


What is the cause and how would you treat the cause and not the symptoms. In your opinion what should governments around the world do for the airline industry if anything?


It's possible to support employees through continued medical insurance (the govt making COBRA payments) and unemployment insurance. Giving money to carriers first supports shareholders, bondholders and unsecured creditors. Berkshire Hathaway - a major equity holder of U.S. carriers - doesn't need taxpayer support. A $25 Billion gift? I hope not.

The request included $25 billion in grants for passenger carriers, $4 billion in grants for cargo, $25 billion in loan guarantees.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/16/busi ... k-16a695ca
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:08 pm

dabc wrote:
dabc wrote:
contractdog wrote:

Do you have source regarding the European suspension from the 19th? I see up until yesterday, bizarrely there were STILL flights coming in from Rome to Algiers!




http://www.aps.dz/algerie/103075-corona ... r-de-jeudi

Flights will Africain subsaharian countries will also be suspended starting March 19



Now all flights to and from Algeria...

A0790/20 - IN ACCORDANCE WITH GOVERNMENT DECISIONS ON THE PREVENTION AND THE
FLT AGAINST THE CORONAVIRUS COVID-19, ALL INTL FLIGHTS TO AND FROM
ALGERIA ARE TEMPORARILY SUSPENDED AS OF MARCH 18,2020. 18 MAR 00:00 2020 UNTIL
15 JUN 19:00 2020 ESTIMATED. CREATED: 16 MAR 16:39 2020

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