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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:49 am

Jamaica today announced all travelers to Jamaica from countries where there is a local spread of the virus will be required to self-quarantine for two weeks starting Wednesday, March 18.

http://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/lead ... ontainment
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:56 am

tb727 wrote:
744SPX wrote:
How about just letting the LCC's go? I wouldn't complain... :duck:


Yeah, that would be awesome! I mean, I fly for a ULCC so I'm trash and my livelihood doesn't matter. I don't even tell my wife or small kids what I do because I'm so ashamed that I worked pretty hard for 20 years to get to where I am. But some people don't like paying for a bottle of water so I guess to make them feel better, well we should just get rid of the part of the industry almost anyone can afford to fly on. I don't even know if I'll have a job for an unspecified amount of time in a few weeks depending on how this all goes, but I'm glad you won't complain.


I just signed 3 months leave off - with a major carrier - can't disclose terms. While it hurts I find all these personal attacks and lust for blood even worse. I come to this thread for factual industry news on what is going on and how bad this virus is destroying our industry, LCC or Legacy. This chain really helped me make the decision I did today. Thanks to all the helpful and factual posts. I love my job and want to keep it, and I hope the best for all. Hoping we can be more civil to one another - this virus should bring us together. Come on!
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:07 am

WJtter wrote:
WS Changes:

As of Sunday Mar 22nd @ 2359 MDT, ALL TB & INTL flights will be suspended for a minimum of 30 days... While domestic cuts will be around 50%.


Source: https://blog.westjet.com/statement-on-o ... m-ed-sims/
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:11 am

adambrau wrote:
tb727 wrote:
744SPX wrote:
How about just letting the LCC's go? I wouldn't complain... :duck:


Yeah, that would be awesome! I mean, I fly for a ULCC so I'm trash and my livelihood doesn't matter. I don't even tell my wife or small kids what I do because I'm so ashamed that I worked pretty hard for 20 years to get to where I am. But some people don't like paying for a bottle of water so I guess to make them feel better, well we should just get rid of the part of the industry almost anyone can afford to fly on. I don't even know if I'll have a job for an unspecified amount of time in a few weeks depending on how this all goes, but I'm glad you won't complain.


I just signed 3 months leave off - with a major carrier - can't disclose terms. While it hurts I find all these personal attacks and lust for blood even worse. I come to this thread for factual industry news on what is going on and how bad this virus is destroying our industry, LCC or Legacy. This chain really helped me make the decision I did today. Thanks to all the helpful and factual posts. I love my job and want to keep it, and I hope the best for all. Hoping we can be more civil to one another - this virus should bring us together. Come on!

100% agree, I work in the industry and these are very stressful times for all of us. The glee some people seem to exude during this episode is sickening.

Wishing everyone who works in this industry the very best, regardless of what uniform you wear.


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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:12 am

onwFan wrote:
VS to cut flights by 80% and terminate LHR-EWR permanently with immediate effect:
https://www.businesstraveller.com/busin ... -of-fleet/


What will happen to their Lounge in Terminal B?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:12 am

It's a shocking and depressing time already. Some love ULCC, some love legacies, some love both, some love none.

Agree to disagree, let's support our aviation friends instead.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:26 am

WJtter wrote:
WS Changes:

As of Sunday Mar 22nd @ 2359 MDT, ALL TB & INTL flights will be suspended for a minimum of 30 days... While domestic cuts will be around 50%.


What is TB please?
AA AC AS BA BD BF BN BR(1) BY B6 CO CP(2) DG DL EA EI EN FL FT F9 HA HP ICX JI JQ J7 KE KL KS LH MC NW OC OO OZ(1) OZ(2) PA PI PT QF QQ RM RO RV(1) RV(2) RW SK SM SQ S4 TI TS TW UA UK US UZ VS VX WA WN WS W7 XV YV YX(2) ZZ 9K
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:32 am

aeromoe wrote:
WJtter wrote:
WS Changes:

As of Sunday Mar 22nd @ 2359 MDT, ALL TB & INTL flights will be suspended for a minimum of 30 days... While domestic cuts will be around 50%.


What is TB please?


Transborder (flights between the US and Canada)
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:46 am

NWAJT8D wrote:
Although we did load only 16 bags on an A319 yesterday...yikes.


If you think this is bad... I flew from East Asia to Europe during the week-end. There were maybe 30 passengers on a 12h flight with a 777-300ER.

I felt so bad for the flight crew and all the ground staff who were all doing their work as usual, though they would probably be dealing with tough situation soon. My best wishes to all involved!
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:46 am

PacoMartin wrote:
CX Flyboy wrote:
The HKG stoppage was planned a while ago as part of their RR 787 grounding. Cathay are flying services on behalf of ANZ with a CX flight number (albeit a 4 digit one)


So ANZ has 30 long range aircraft and for right now the only long range destination they have is LAX.

8 Boeing 777-200 13.9 Years
8 Boeing 777-300 8.2 Years
14 Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner 3.8 Years


Incorrect - SIN remains. SO it's SIN and LAX and who knows what will happen with HKG.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 5:13 am

Airlines are key infrastructure governed under the provisions of the Railway Labor Act. This is not a socialism vs. capitalism issue. The gov't has *prevented* the airlines from flying through various bans. So given that, and the fact that state and local governments are preventing people from flying via curfews and the like, the airlines have a case to request assistance.
 
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Re: U.S. Airline Industry Request $50 Billion Dollar Bailout

Tue Mar 17, 2020 5:57 am

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They're specifically asking to be exempt from aviation taxes (including PFCs) until the end of 2021, which would be a huge blow to airports (which are already going to have a lot of problems to deal with).

I realize A4A always has a particular axe to grind against the PFC, but this is a really bad idea.


Which is a load of crap considering the airlines don’t pay the PFC, so they shouldn’t even care. Maybe A4A can start writing checks for the $20 billion plus projects that are going on right now to provide them with modern terminals. Sorry, but A4A can kiss my .... Screw them on the tax issues as well. Do they get a bailout? Sure. This is unprecedented. They can have zero interest loans like they got after 9/11, nothing more. What they are proposing however guts the trust fund and by extension the Air Traffic Control operating budget and grants to airports for critical airfield infrastructure projects. An absurd position to take, especially given they don’t pay any taxes whatsoever on all the nickel and dime fees they charge. They are trying to take advantage of a bad situation to obtain things they have been advocating for about two decades now, mainly a free ride. A4A has been pimping for a free ride for a long time, including airlines CEOs going to airports saying they see a day where they pay no rent to operate at an airport stating airports can pay for themselves through concessions and apparently some special trees on airports that grow money.

A4A should not be taken serious by anyone anymore. They live in Fantasyland.

The only people I care about are the people working for the airlines they allegedly represent.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:00 am

We now have airline credit, not a refund, for cancelling our flight/vacation to Orlando. We chose to not go because we might be carriers, or get it on the way to my elderly inlaws...

I'm in the industry, too, but at the raw metal casting stage. We make parts for EVERYONE. If you guys aren't flying, your bosses aren't buying new parts, and my bosses don't need to make new parts, and, we're all in this together.

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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:16 am

Just in: Airbus is pausing production for four days.

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... sures.html
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:00 am

PacoMartin wrote:
CX Flyboy wrote:
The HKG stoppage was planned a while ago as part of their RR 787 grounding. Cathay are flying services on behalf of ANZ with a CX flight number (albeit a 4 digit one)


So ANZ has 30 long range aircraft and for right now the only long range destination they have is LAX.

8 Boeing 777-200 13.9 Years
8 Boeing 777-300 8.2 Years
14 Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner 3.8 Years


Clearly ANZ dont need the help now, but they signed this contract well before the virus hit.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:02 am

Guys, whats the deal with UA104 on March 16 2020. It left SFO and went all the way upto Canadian Border which is typical route for a flight to DEL but then appears to be redirected to IAH instead back to SFO. Any inputs on this mystery.

https://www.flightradar24.com/UAL104/24354677
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:03 am

Ishrion wrote:
Just in: Airbus is pausing production for four days.

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... sures.html


France and Spain

Airbus stops the production in France and Spain for four days,to implement new measurements against the Coronavirus in both countries. No stop at all other countries.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:04 am

I think carriers shouldn't be rescued unless they are nationalised and are put under the central government control.

Being rescued means a lot of taxpayers' money that will not only go into the "base employees" (FA, pilots, etc) which is fine but also in executives and their bonuses, investment firms buying stock hoping it goes up...

It shouldn't be acceptable that those free-market private firms ask for public money only 1 or 2 months after a major crash.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:10 am

SCQ83 wrote:
I think carriers shouldn't be rescued unless they are nationalised and are put under the central government control.

Being rescued means a lot of taxpayers' money that will not only go into the "base employees" (FA, pilots, etc) which is fine but also in executives and their bonuses, investment firms buying stock hoping it goes up...

It shouldn't be acceptable that those free-market private firms ask for public money only 1 or 2 months after a major crash.


I think full privatisation is not a good option, but keeping the majority of the stocks in government control is the way forward. This guarantees that profits will be shared with the government and if the airline still fails the government can get easely rid of it. Also there is the possibility of privatizing the airline again with selliing the stock over time.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:18 am

Everyone, companies and individuals are going to need a 6-12 month payment holiday on all loans, mortgages and credit card payments. Even monthly bank payments.

Soon it won’t just be the aviation industry that is in trouble. It will affect everyone. We will all run out of money within a few weeks unless drastic measures are taken.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:21 am

It's just incomprehensible (don't care if that's a word). I used to fly weekly in & out with Air Baltic, and now as of tomorrow, Air Baltic will operate exactly 0 flights per day. Zero. None. Many other airlines as well, that I have used frequently, are cutting 90-100% of their operations. The cascading effects that all of this will have in the coming weeks / months, is absolutely horrible for the human civilization.

On top of that, there's no hockey, which sucks.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:24 am

KingB123 wrote:
Global catastrophes will continue to happen whether its corona or more viruses spreading in the near future, global pandemics will continue to happen and every very profitable bu£ine$$ like IAG should be prepared.


I worked for a global, multi-billion $ company for 34 years. They had all kinds of disaster and contingency plans in place. None of those plans would have been any use if they'd had to stop business completely for what could turn out to be many months. You're being totally unrealistic if you think businesses should be able to just ride out circumstances like these.

Governments across the globe will be helping businesses big and small, as they should given many restrictions are being imposed by said governments.

ShinyAndChrome wrote:
And government support doesn't have to come no strings attached like so many of you are implying like what happened with farmers who got screwed by the trade war. Low-interest loans to cover part of the cash crunch could easily make Johnny Q Taxpayer some money in the end like with the ATSB.


Exactly. Any government assistance doesn't have to be in the form of a gift.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:43 am

SCQ83 wrote:
I think carriers shouldn't be rescued unless they are nationalised and are put under the central government control.

Being rescued means a lot of taxpayers' money that will not only go into the "base employees" (FA, pilots, etc) which is fine but also in executives and their bonuses, investment firms buying stock hoping it goes up...

It shouldn't be acceptable that those free-market private firms ask for public money only 1 or 2 months after a major crash.


What executive bonuses? All the CEOs have forfeited their salary, Alaska's #2 man, Ben as well. Southwest's Gary Kelly only slashed his salary 10%.

A virus has done more damage to the industry in two weeks than 9/11 terrorism ever did. You try telling me it shouldn't be acceptable. Airlines have scratched airports backs all these years.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:48 am

Theseus wrote:
NWAJT8D wrote:
Although we did load only 16 bags on an A319 yesterday...yikes.


If you think this is bad... I flew from East Asia to Europe during the week-end. There were maybe 30 passengers on a 12h flight with a 777-300ER.


I will one-up that. I did a 13 hour Singapore to Europe trip on a 777-300ER: 6 passengers total. The preceding intra-Asian 787-10 flight also had 6 passengers.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 8:51 am

SCQ83 wrote:
I think carriers shouldn't be rescued unless they are nationalised and are put under the central government control.

Being rescued means a lot of taxpayers' money that will not only go into the "base employees" (FA, pilots, etc) which is fine but also in executives and their bonuses, investment firms buying stock hoping it goes up...

It shouldn't be acceptable that those free-market private firms ask for public money only 1 or 2 months after a major crash.


Governments around the World have show time and time again, they are incapable of running an airline.

Strict conditions can be applied to any assistance provided by governments. They're not going to be handing over large buckets of cash - low-interest loans would be a good example of how a government can help.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:16 am

With all the travel restrictions and bans in place, what is happening with the various crews operating the flights? Are airlines staffing flights with both sets of crew for the invound and return journey so that they dont leave the aircraft?
Have layover/crew rest been discarded? Or are flight crews exempt from the restrictions?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:51 am

uta999 wrote:
Everyone, companies and individuals are going to need a 6-12 month payment holiday on all loans, mortgages and credit card payments. Even monthly bank payments.

Soon it won’t just be the aviation industry that is in trouble. It will affect everyone. We will all run out of money within a few weeks unless drastic measures are taken.


I do not know what your country is doing for its citizens but ours announced that it will guarantee enough money so every empoyer can pay full salary to its employees even if they have to stay at home and cant work. Right now we have 10Bn spoken from our gov for this (4.3 million FTE). So for the individuals there is something done here, and as the state will jump in to pay salaries, it also helps all businesses.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:03 am

louA340 wrote:
With all the travel restrictions and bans in place, what is happening with the various crews operating the flights? Are airlines staffing flights with both sets of crew for the invound and return journey so that they dont leave the aircraft?
Have layover/crew rest been discarded? Or are flight crews exempt from the restrictions?


I can't speak for other countries, but in Canada aircrew is exempted from the "travel bans" when operating and deadheading. As well they are exempted from the mandatory self-quarentine when returning from a foreign country.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:33 am

It's simple. Any company in any industry that request a bailout, a zero-rate loan, an infusion of cash, a tax holiday or anything of the sort, must agree to strict rules and chief among them no corporate bonuses or perks of any kind for a 2 year period, and after 2 years as long as they have not paid back in full or ceased to be in any kind of assistance program.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:39 am

NZ321 wrote:
PacoMartin wrote:
CX Flyboy wrote:
The HKG stoppage was planned a while ago as part of their RR 787 grounding. Cathay are flying services on behalf of ANZ with a CX flight number (albeit a 4 digit one)


So ANZ has 30 long range aircraft and for right now the only long range destination they have is LAX.

8 Boeing 777-200 13.9 Years
8 Boeing 777-300 8.2 Years
14 Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner 3.8 Years


Incorrect - SIN remains. SO it's SIN and LAX and who knows what will happen with HKG.


CX is a JV partner of ANZ, and CX has extra capacity to help ANZ. That's it.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:53 am

Airontario wrote:
louA340 wrote:
With all the travel restrictions and bans in place, what is happening with the various crews operating the flights? Are airlines staffing flights with both sets of crew for the invound and return journey so that they dont leave the aircraft?
Have layover/crew rest been discarded? Or are flight crews exempt from the restrictions?


I can't speak for other countries, but in Canada aircrew is exempted from the "travel bans" when operating and deadheading. As well they are exempted from the mandatory self-quarentine when returning from a foreign country.


Same for US - i.e. air crews are exempted from entry restrictions. Thus foreign air crew that had been to China or Europe can still enter US.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:56 am

scbriml wrote:
Governments around the World have show time and time again, they are incapable of running an airline.

Strict conditions can be applied to any assistance provided by governments. They're not going to be handing over large buckets of cash - low-interest loans would be a good example of how a government can help.

The German government announced that they would make "unlimited" loans available to all businesses at market rates. They've declined special treatment of airlines, though, so far, including not suspending passenger departure taxes.
https://www.airliners.de/luftfahrtbranc ... lfen/54239 [in German]
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:06 am

Revelation wrote:
Public takeover of Alitialia close to being enacted. ...

Shocking, I know...

European media are reporting that there was an official communication by the Italian government this morning that confirmed these plans. e. g. https://www.airliners.de/alitlia/54283 [in German]
Can't find any english sources yet, though.

No opposition from EU likely:
President of the European Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, said: “The Coronavirus pandemic is testing us all. ... We will do whatever is necessary to support the Europeans and the European economy.
Currently, the impact of the COVID-19 outbreak in Italy is of a nature and scale that allows the use of Article 107(3)(b) TFEU. This enables the Commission to approve additional national support measures to remedy a serious disturbance to the economy of a Member State.
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/pressco ... /ip_20_459
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:18 pm

https://twitter.com/flightradar24/statu ... 9687686149

austria, today ...

pilot writes „stay home“ into the sky

nice move ...
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:21 pm

I'm in the Miami American Admiral's Club this morning. It's crowded. Other than the food served in covered dishes you'd never know anything was amiss. In the AC and walking through the airport today no shortage of older, frail. sickly looking individuals. Some are in wheelchairs and have walkers. Those just ripe to become infected and die. Unfortunately, you can't regulate stupidity. Even more sad this makes life miserable for all others and threatens to shut down a global economy.

As someone that has studied and wrote about the Great Depression few people understand the horror that entailed, including what ignited a World War. And that was at a time when people could be much more self sufficient. The number of deaths and severe illness that would result from a global economic shutdown will dwarf what this virus will do. If you are not at risk live your life with the suggest modest cautions. If you are at high risk you have no business walking around an airport and getting on a plane.

Airline employees getting fired will be just one nugget of human misery.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:25 pm

Are the elderly people perhaps making their way back to their main home or at least the place where they intend to stay for the next few months ? I imagine there is currently a peak in demand for people returning from vacations which may have been cut short
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:29 pm

fortunerunnner wrote:
Guys, whats the deal with UA104 on March 16 2020. It left SFO and went all the way upto Canadian Border which is typical route for a flight to DEL but then appears to be redirected to IAH instead back to SFO. Any inputs on this mystery.

UA104 is scheduled to depart IAH today for DEL on a different aircraft at 1200 local. Guessing the plane developed an ETOPS issue while in-flight and diverted to wherever a replacement 789 + crew was available. Not likely to be corona-related but I could be wrong of course.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:33 pm

mxaxai wrote:
Revelation wrote:
Public takeover of Alitialia close to being enacted. ...

Shocking, I know...

European media are reporting that there was an official communication by the Italian government this morning that confirmed these plans. e. g. https://www.airliners.de/alitlia/54283 [in German]
Can't find any english sources yet, though.

https://www.thelocal.it/20200317/italy- ... ia-airline
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:50 pm

UK Govt advising against all non essential travel abroad for next 30 days. This will void any travel insurance bought by UK residents. Guess it's only a matter of time until scheduled flights in UK (almost) stop
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:54 pm

Indonesia closing its borders to all tourists from Friday for a month

https://twitter.com/renaehenry9/status/ ... 11457?s=21
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:56 pm

Brussel Airlines to shutdown till 19 April

https://twitter.com/ausbt/status/123989 ... 55456?s=21
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:04 pm

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Indonesia closing its borders to all tourists from Friday for a month

https://twitter.com/airlineflyer/status ... 04576?s=21

Could you confirm this is in reference to Indonesia closing their borders as the link is in reference to Brussels.


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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:06 pm

EK413 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Indonesia closing its borders to all tourists from Friday for a month

https://twitter.com/airlineflyer/status ... 04576?s=21

Could you confirm this is in reference to Indonesia closing their borders as the link is in reference to Brussels.


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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:07 pm

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I think carriers shouldn't be rescued unless they are nationalised and are put under the central government control.

Being rescued means a lot of taxpayers' money that will not only go into the "base employees" (FA, pilots, etc) which is fine but also in executives and their bonuses, investment firms buying stock hoping it goes up...

It shouldn't be acceptable that those free-market private firms ask for public money only 1 or 2 months after a major crash.

Alright comrade... Seriously though, the executives at many airlines have already stated they are not taking paychecks. Bailouts can just as easily have stipulations attached to them. Not everything has to be put under governmental control. The government owned airlines of this World are a great prior indicator of success... NOT
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:23 pm

There is now a google doc for tracking all the airline reductions:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 1072793355

In addition A4A is claiming that all seven of its passenger carriers will run out of money between June 30th & the end of 2020 without a cash injection:
https://www.airlines.org/wp-content/upl ... -16-20.pdf
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:27 pm

UK Foreign Office is now advising against all "non-essential" travel anywhere abroad for at least 30 days. This will effectively null and void any travel insurance if Brits do travel (unless you can convince your insurance company your travel was essential). The bigger question is, will anyone actually be able to go anywhere?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51924405
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:38 pm

Given that in many places they will face 14 days quarantine on arrival, what would be the point?.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:44 pm

scbriml wrote:
UK Foreign Office is now advising against all "non-essential" travel anywhere abroad for at least 30 days. This will effectively null and void any travel insurance if Brits do travel (unless you can convince your insurance company your travel was essential). The bigger question is, will anyone actually be able to go anywhere?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51924405

Same as Germany earlier today. Warning against any non-essential travel, i. e. tourism. https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/de/Reis ... 19/2296762
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:32 pm

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Governments around the World have show time and time again, they are incapable of running an airline.

With 1 major exception being Singapore Airlines. One could argue that Quantas and EK also fit the bill, but EK would open up a can of worms on a.net (it is subsidized yada yada); so if i could pick ONE govt run airline that is far ahead of even the best privately run airline it would be SQ.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 3:34 pm

Singapore Airlines will never go bust. They were one of the more responsible airlines in the beginning of this fracas and now look at them - in a strong position to make a hostile takeover of all their ASEAN rivals excluding Garuda.
Big things ahead for the Singapore Girl.

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