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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:26 pm

Here in Copenhagen 2 out of 3 runways are closed to accommodate aircraft parking (presumably SK and DY aircraft) the next weeks/months.
Yesterday SAS parked 4 heavies on twy A along rwy 22R.

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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:33 pm

TAP Air Portugal...since today started to park his fleet on almost every portuguese air force base corner,,,all the civilian airports now almost reaching parking rupture point.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 9:55 pm

3 FAA Technicians at Midway Air Traffic Control Tower Test Positive for COVID-19: Officials

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/3-faa-technicians-at-midway-air-traffic-control-tower-test-positive-for-covid-19-officials/2238822/

Ground stop in effect at MDW now.

CTL ELEMENT: MDW
ELEMENT TYPE: APT
ADL TIME: 2138Z
GROUND STOP PERIOD: 17/2128Z - 17/2315Z
DEP FACILITIES INCLUDED: (ALL+CZY_AP) ZLA ZAU ZLC ZTL ZDC ZNY ZHU ZJX
ZFW ZOB ZDV ZOA ZSE ZBW ZMA ZKC ZME ZID ZAB ZMP CYHZ CYOW CYUL CYYZ

PREVIOUS TOTAL, MAXIMUM, AVERAGE DELAYS: 646 / 71 / 20
NEW TOTAL, MAXIMUM, AVERAGE DELAYS: 2233 / 131 / 68
PROBABILITY OF EXTENSION: HIGH
IMPACTING CONDITION: OTHER / OTHER
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Trans States Airlines closing down earlier Covid-19

Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:09 pm

https://thepointsguy.com/news/trans-sta ... us-crisis/

Sorry to share for you all, but helps to know things as soon as possible.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:13 pm

Waterbomber2 wrote:
I wonder how deliveries are at Airbus and Boeing. Anybody have news?


There had been some recent deliveries:

https://www.airfleets.net/divers/delivery.htm

However, Airbus is starting stockpiling. Ten new builds will be stored at the small airport RLG Rostock (In German beind a paywall):

https://www.ostsee-zeitung.de/Nachricht ... afen-Laage
 
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Re: Trans States Airlines closing down earlier Covid-19

Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:39 pm

I was already saddened by the news they were closing at the end of the year. Even sadder that it's happening sooner. My heart goes to each and every employee there, and I sincerely hope they are all able to find work ASAP.

Doesn't Tran States own Compass and another outfit?
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Re: Trans States Airlines closing down earlier Covid-19

Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:44 pm

F9Animal wrote:
Doesn't Tran States own Compass and another outfit?


Trans States Holdings also owns Compass and GoJet.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:48 pm

npier598 wrote:
KirkSeattle wrote:
npier598 wrote:
Delta A350 enroute to Blytheville, AR (KBYH) as DAL9942 for storage? I thought Delta was only sending planes to Marana (KMZJ) and Birmingham (KBMH) to be parked?


See the Delta Widebody thread. It seems that an automation issue with the Flight Number because some of these flight numbers were used for MD 88 retirements. The thread said the A350's that are going into storage are indeed going to BMH.


Hmm. Flightradar24 shows the Delta A359 descending into the Blytheville area. Looks like DAL9942 is in fact landing in Arkansas.


True! Perhaps this flight didn't have the automation issue as per the widebody thread. Thanks for noticing it landed at Blytheville.
 
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Re: Trans States Airlines closing down earlier Covid-19

Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:50 pm

F9Animal wrote:
Doesn't Tran States own Compass and another outfit?


"The move does not impact other carriers owned by its parent company St. Louis-based Trans States Holdings, including Compass Airlines and GoJet Airlines."
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:09 pm

744SPX wrote:
If Boeing receives bailout money it should be contingent on getting rid of the Max permanently and subbing some NG's until an NSA is ready which should be the main priority going forward.

:checkmark:

747megatop wrote:
Getting rid of MAX should be up to Boeing's board and market forces. The only contingencies for a bailout should be that ...

No. Getting rid of the Max should be the most important condition. That aircraft type really needs to go.
 
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Re: Trans States Airlines closing down earlier Covid-19

Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:09 pm

This may not impact their other carriers, but it's hard to see a scenario that keeps Compass operating. It's probably among the first cuts to regional capacity.
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Re: Trans States Airlines closing down earlier Covid-19

Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:31 pm

Are they the only carrier at any airports that will now be without any service?
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Re: Trans States Airlines closing down earlier Covid-19

Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:22 am

I sat in 1A on a ERJ-145 sunday DEN-OMA. I was talking with the flight attendant and she was just getting rumors they where shutting down that morning. She was very sad and tearing up. I felt so bad for her and didn't know what to say. She was very passionate about her job and loved it and was in the process of applying with other UAX carriers preparing for the Trans States shut down in 2021. Now all that is out the door because nobody is hiring. I told her United is my favorite and the employees are great that work and her service was appreciated and wished her well. It made me really sad.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:28 am

Turnhouse1 wrote:
davidjohnson6 wrote:
UK Govt advising against all non essential travel abroad for next 30 days. This will void any travel insurance bought by UK residents. Guess it's only a matter of time until scheduled flights in UK (almost) stop


It's actually helpful as it means insurance now covers not flying. Until that announcement you weren't getting your money back so people were pressured to fly or lose the cost of their tickets. Frankly, at the moment, stopping all flights seems reasonable.

It’s coming....
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:28 am

I would find it highly doubtful any bail out money would be tied to getting rid of the MAX
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:32 am

dmstorm22 wrote:
badgervor wrote:
kd9gy wrote:
Just a quick seat count on today's UAL #219 - ORD to HNL. 81 in coach on the 777 (out of 336 seats). Business was full (no doubt mostly upgrades). Hope the plane had a lot of cargo going to the islands!


UA 1040 737-900 EWR-AUA had total of 4, 1 in first, if the online seat map is accurate


Have to imagine it brought/is bringing a lot more back returning home.

Aruba told all non-citizens to leave yesterday. They don’t want to drown in foriegn citizens when the wave hits them.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:44 am

smokeybandit wrote:
Flights to get respective country's citizens home?

Vietnam Airlines operated 4 flights to bring Vietnamese home.
Just go on fr24 and find every flight which had code below 100
(VN54 for example).

In fact this was just VN's normal European service, but the schedule was pushed a little bit earlier to bring a everyone home before the "G" moment.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:16 am

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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:51 am

Bamboo told the passengers "don't cancel ur travel, just change the date".

https://www.facebook.com/175583019906972/posts/671178323680770/?d=n

I'm fine, Bamboo. Bamboo shouldn't encourage people to go on flights, which are dangerous places now at this moment.....
Seems that Bamboo, as well as other ASEAN carriers are facing a large number of tickets cancelled.

P/s: not "seems". Everyone knows it is the fact :(
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:57 am

Yesterday and today Finnair have been using their A359s to bring travellers home from Tenerife and Gran Canaria. Some use for the widebodies... It seems LHR still gets AY widebodies, for cargo.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ay1691
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:59 am

United to drop MEL-LAX, SYD-LAX and SYD-IAH from 23 March through to 3 May, SFO stays for both SYD and MEL

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ax-flights
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:08 am

United says cuts will now be 60% instead of 50%, US and Canada will see reductions of 42% while everywhere else reductions of 85% will apply

https://twitter.com/flightintl/status/1 ... 56896?s=21
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:24 am

qf789 wrote:
United says cuts will now be 60% instead of 50%, US and Canada will see reductions of 42% while everywhere else reductions of 85% will apply

https://twitter.com/flightintl/status/1 ... 56896?s=21


Source from their newsroom lists all the domestic routes being entirely cut.

https://hub.united.com/2020-03-17-unite ... 16655.html
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:27 am

If and when India decides to shut down all travel from USA like it did for UK and EU, how will United fly to India?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:32 am

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If Boeing receives bailout money it should be contingent on getting rid of the Max permanently and subbing some NG's until an NSA is ready which should be the main priority going forward.


Does Boeing's MAX customers get a say in the matter? Or are you proposing the govt cram NG's down their throat?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:39 am

Vietjet announced that it suspended all ASEAN flights. Now, besides domestic-routes, VJ only serves Taiwan and Japan as international operation.
Unknown the status of ThaiVietjet, VJ's subsidiary.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:45 am

The 2nd Chinese medical supporting team will go to Italy taking MU7041 (777-300ER) from Shanghai(PVG) to Milan(MXP) today. The 2nd medical team consists of 12 members and will take 9 tons of medical supplies to Milan. The 2nd medical team comes from Zhejiang Province, where most of chinese immigrants in Italy come from.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:00 am

Latest network update KL worldwide for AMS inbound/outbound travellers 17/03/20
Argentina/Chile

Due to travel restrictions in Argentina, flights to/from Buenos Aires/Santiago de Chile are suspended from 15 March to 29 March.

Aruba

Only residents of Aruba are allowed to disembark in Aruba. For the time being, KLM will continue to fly according to schedule to bring passengers from Aruba to Schiphol.

Bonaire

Passengers are not allowed to disembark in Bonaire until March 27th. For the time being, KLM will continue to fly according to schedule in order to bring passengers from Bonaire to Schiphol Airport.

Canada

As of March 17, only Canadian nationals are allowed to fly to Canada. Edmonton is suspended for the time being. KLM will continue to fly to Toronto, Vancouver, Montreal and Calgary for the time being.

Chile

Flights to Santiago International Airport are suspended until 29 March.

China

All flights to China are suspended for the time being.

Colombia

As of 16 March, only Colombian citizens and residents are allowed to fly to Colombia. KLM will continue to fly to Bogota and Cartagena for the time being.

Costa Rica

Only citizens and residents of Costa Rica can fly to Costa Rica from 19 March to 12 April.

Curaçao

Only residents of Curacao may disembark in Curacao. For the time being, KLM will continue to fly on schedule in order to bring passengers from Curaçao to Schiphol Airport.

Ecuador

From 16 March only residents of Ecuador can fly to Ecuador. As of 17 March no incoming passengers on Quito and Guayaquil. Travelers can fly from Ecuador to Europe.

Philippines

Due to travel restrictions, all flights to Manila are suspended until 21 March.

Ghana

From 16 March only residents of Ghana can fly to Ghana. No other incoming passengers on Accra. Travelers can fly from Ghana to Amsterdam Airport Schiphol.

Hong Kong

Due to travel restrictions from the Netherlands, flights from Hong Kong to Schiphol on 14 and 17 March will only be operated with cargo.

India

Due to travel restrictions in India, the following flights will be cancelled:

Bangalore: 16 March

Bombay: 17 and 19 March

Delhi: 18 March

Italy

Due to travel restrictions from the Netherlands, flights to/from Italy will be suspended as of 14 March until 28 March.

Kenya

From 17 March to 16 April, only citizens and residents of Kenya can fly to Kenya. Transfer to Nairobi is allowed.

Kuwait

Due to travel restrictions in Kuwait: flights to/from Kuwait/Bahrain are suspended for the time being from 13 March until 23 March.

Malaysia

From 18 to 31 March, foreign tourists are not allowed to travel to Malaysia. It is allowed to change trains. KLM will continue to fly to Kuala Lumpur for the time being.

Ukraine

Due to travel restrictions, all flights to Kiev have been cancelled as of 17 March.

Oman

Flights to Muscat are suspended until March 22nd.

Austria

Austria has imposed entry bans on a number of countries, including the Netherlands. As of 18 March, flights from Amsterdam Airport Schiphol to Vienna and Graz will be operated without passengers.

Panama

Flights to Panama City are suspended until 28 March.

Poland

From 15 March, flights will go empty to Poland and with passengers back to Amsterdam.

Peru

As of 16 March, European flights in Peru will be banned for 30 days. Flights to Lima have been suspended for the time being.

Russia

Due to travel restrictions, all flights to St. Petersburg have been cancelled as of 16 March.

St. Maarten

From 17 March until 31 March, no passengers are allowed to travel from Europe to Sint Maarten. For the time being, KLM will continue to fly on schedule to bring passengers from Sint Maarten to Schiphol.

Suriname

Passengers are not allowed to disembark in Suriname. For the time being, KLM will continue to fly according to schedule in order to bring passengers from Suriname to Schiphol Airport.

Taiwan

Due to travel restrictions, all flights to Taipei are suspended until March 21st.

Turkey

Due to travel restrictions in Turkey, flights to Istanbul will be operated without passengers from 14 March to 22 March. Passengers flying back must be Dutch.

United States of America

Flights to Las Vegas, Washington and Minneapolis are suspended until 29 March due to travel restrictions.

South Korea

Due to travel restrictions from the Netherlands, flights from Seoul Incheon to Amsterdam will for the time being be cargo-only until 28 March.


Source: https://news.klm.com/network-updates/
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:42 am

JSX Airlines or JetSuite X cancelled the planned Seattle to Portland flights about 2 weeks ago. I just tried to book Seattle to Oakland, and it appears that has been stopped? Route map appears to have take Seattle out all together now.

Does anyone know if this is temporary, or permanent? I have not seen any news on this at all. I would imagine that poor airline is probably taking a major hit with this.
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Re: Trans States Airlines closing down earlier Covid-19

Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:55 am

Rdh3e wrote:
F9Animal wrote:
Doesn't Tran States own Compass and another outfit?


"The move does not impact other carriers owned by its parent company St. Louis-based Trans States Holdings, including Compass Airlines and GoJet Airlines."


Just saw Compass SEA hub is officially done too. We knew this was coming, but now it's official. Heard about 200 layoffs?
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:04 am

Are airlines showing their hands as to what their most profitable routes are by which ones they've chosen not to cancel?
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:31 am

British Airways are to open talks with BALPA on pilot redundancies. BA has 3900 pilots out of a total if 45000 employees.

Guess is inevitable if they are planning to permanently withdraw a big amount of aircraft.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-healt ... KKBN2141OF
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:15 am

In compliance with yesterday's decision of the EU to close all external borders (https://www.nytimes.com/article/coronav ... tions.html), Germany has started controls at airports this morning. Some other countries (e. g. Poland, Slovakia, Denmark) already set up such restrictions a few days ago, others are yet to comply with this decision (e. g. Belgium, Netherlands). From what I can tell, France as the initiator of these restrictions still keeps her borders formally open but private travel within France is subject to the current lockdown.

Only Schengen, EU and UK area citizens and residents are exempt, as well as travellers with "a valid reason" to enter the EU. Individual member states are free to enact stricter regulations.

Up to 3000 passengers are expected at FRA across today's long-haul arrivals that are likely to be sent back. (https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/corona ... p-103.html in German)
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:52 am

Russian government banned all flights to US starting March 20th , except JFK flights
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:04 am

OAHU747 wrote:
Are airlines showing their hands as to what their most profitable routes are by which ones they've chosen not to cancel?


No. The ones still operating are

a) the one still being allowed to be operated
b) are the ones which continue to offer greatest connectivity to due to the miniscule number of direct flights still being operated at the moment and thus the least impact on travellers
c) are the ones which may be operated on the specific request of government(s)

This has nothing to do with profits at the moment, and I don´t think that any airline currently worries about specific route performance these days.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:42 am

OAHU747 wrote:
Are airlines showing their hands as to what their most profitable routes are by which ones they've chosen not to cancel?


Even super profitable routes aren't profitable with load factors of 30%.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:56 am

The massive layoffs I assume will be announced momentarily. Yesterday I flew MIA/CLT/RDU. The number of older frail, sick looking paxs was actually frighting. Yes some may need to travel but they most certainly didn't need to be hanging out in the AA Admirals Club for hours as many were. The AC was in fact packed as well as my flight to CLT completely full. The FA had a flight earlier out of PBI which she said was full of same telling her they were still going ahead with vacation plans. As they were wheeled down to the a/c because they are too frail to make the short walk. The stupidity of these people won't just possibly kill them prematurely but will cause the crash of countless industries and endless jobs. My prayers go out to the people about to be laid off not these morons that won't accept the fact that they are at risk.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:05 pm

OAHU747 wrote:
Are airlines showing their hands as to what their most profitable routes are by which ones they've chosen not to cancel?


I doubt that it matters so much right now.

Airbus and Safran stocks, normally considered recession-proof industrial stocks, are trading 20% lower.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:05 pm

PANAMsterdam wrote:
OAHU747 wrote:
Are airlines showing their hands as to what their most profitable routes are by which ones they've chosen not to cancel?


Even super profitable routes aren't profitable with load factors of 30%.

With all the border closures the only international routes to remain are the ones that provide the most connectivity to the remaining, essential travel; people returning home, government and medical staff as well as cargo. So Hub-Hub flights like JFK-LHR or ATL-AMS.
 
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Porter Airlines (PD/POE) suspending all flights at the end of the week. Planned to resume flying June 1.

Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:21 pm

Announced internally.

Upon conclusion of operations on Friday March 20th 2020, the company will cease all flying until June 1st.

Temporary layoffs to affect all departments.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:29 pm

qf789 wrote:
United to drop MEL-LAX, SYD-LAX and SYD-IAH from 23 March through to 3 May, SFO stays for both SYD and MEL

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ax-flights



I am surprised the Australian government is allowing SFO-SYD and SFO-MEL to continue operating considering the level of the outbreak in San Francisco. The city of San Francisco under a lock down ordered by the mayor. Why Australia is still allowing flights from SFO is beyond me, if we suspend these flights now things could start to get back on track by July or August, but Australia needs to step up and say no, no more flights from SFO for the next month or more.

If UA wants to maintain flights to Australia they could easily keep either LAX or IAH -SYD running.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:30 pm

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Commercial aviation industry (and the hospitality, in general) saved in Denmark

The Danish government has just released a virtually bottomless pit of support for "especially endangered parts of the industry", pledging to pay up to 80% of their fixed costs, if they stand to lose more than 40% of revenues due to the Wuhan* virus.

This covers transportation (airlines, taxies, busses), hotels, travel agencies, incoming bureau's etc. It will be a direct grant, not loans and not subject to e.g. exchanging share in return for aid. This comes on top of promising to pay between 75% and 90% of the salaries of staff members, provided there are no lay-offs (the balance up to full pay to be paid by the companies). No limit has been set on the amount the government will spend; "whatever it takes" is the message.

Other rescues packages for small (less than 10 employees) business have also been launched today, promising to pay up to USD 3600 per month in salaries.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how you rescue a society.

*Time to call a spade for a spade, no reason to drag the name of an innocent producer of beer through the mud.


Dutch government did bassically the same. 90% of wages are covered by the government if revenue is 20% lower due to corona. They have also an extra package in cheap bridging loans for companies that are hit more severly, but details of that is a bit unclear. KLM is most certain to get use both of incentives. The CEO mentioned a decrease in revenue of 80 to 90%, which was 1 week a go. The situation only worsened since then.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:31 pm

jayunited wrote:
qf789 wrote:
United to drop MEL-LAX, SYD-LAX and SYD-IAH from 23 March through to 3 May, SFO stays for both SYD and MEL

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ax-flights



I am surprised the Australian government is allowing SFO-SYD and SFO-MEL to continue operating considering the level of the outbreak in San Francisco. The city of San Francisco under a lock down ordered by the mayor. Why Australia is still allowing flights from SFO is beyond me, if we suspend these flights now things could start to get back on track by July or August, but Australia needs to step up and say no, no more flights from SFO for the next month or more.

If UA wants to maintain flights to Australia they could easily keep either LAX or IAH -SYD running.


Australia are still allowing LHR-SYD to operate. As well as LHR-PER.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:57 pm

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Commercial aviation industry (and the hospitality, in general) saved in Denmark

The Danish government has just released a virtually bottomless pit of support for "especially endangered parts of the industry", pledging to pay up to 80% of their fixed costs, if they stand to lose more than 40% of revenues due to the Wuhan* virus.

This covers transportation (airlines, taxies, busses), hotels, travel agencies, incoming bureau's etc. It will be a direct grant, not loans and not subject to e.g. exchanging share in return for aid. This comes on top of promising to pay between 75% and 90% of the salaries of staff members, provided there are no lay-offs (the balance up to full pay to be paid by the companies). No limit has been set on the amount the government will spend; "whatever it takes" is the message.

Other rescues packages for small (less than 10 employees) business have also been launched today, promising to pay up to USD 3600 per month in salaries.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is how you rescue a society.

*Time to call a spade for a spade, no reason to drag the name of an innocent producer of beer through the mud.


This is a population smaller than South Florida alone so just putting it out there for those that might have trouble understanding scale :)
Apart from this that's pretty awesome. Definitely puts mind at ease for a lot of people.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:57 pm

Interesting article on how many days cash each airline has left. IAG on 130+

http://dlvr.it/RS4KF2
 
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Re: Porter Airlines (PD/POE) suspending all flights at the end of the week. Planned to resume flying June 1.

Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:10 pm

What's the longest that an airline has suspended operations for and then successfully recommenced them as the same legal entity? Wishing Porter employees all the best.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:12 pm

Flying-Tiger wrote:
OAHU747 wrote:
Are airlines showing their hands as to what their most profitable routes are by which ones they've chosen not to cancel?


No. The ones still operating are

a) the one still being allowed to be operated
b) are the ones which continue to offer greatest connectivity to due to the miniscule number of direct flights still being operated at the moment and thus the least impact on travellers
c) are the ones which may be operated on the specific request of government(s)

This has nothing to do with profits at the moment, and I don´t think that any airline currently worries about specific route performance these days.


Yup -- the only thing I would add is that various routes / market segments are being hit at different levels. In normal times market AAA-BBB might be more profitable than XXX-YYY. But if AAA-BBB relied heavily on traffic related to tourism and educational institutions it may be dead in the water if theme parks and universities shut down. If XXX-YYY relied more heavily on healthcare industry, government and media travel it may be performing relatively better in the current times.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:13 pm

US closing borders with Canada. It will include all flights to and from Canada to the US

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/18/trump-s ... affic.html
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:16 pm

Miamiairport wrote:
The massive layoffs I assume will be announced momentarily. Yesterday I flew MIA/CLT/RDU. The number of older frail, sick looking paxs was actually frighting. Yes some may need to travel but they most certainly didn't need to be hanging out in the AA Admirals Club for hours as many were. The AC was in fact packed as well as my flight to CLT completely full. The FA had a flight earlier out of PBI which she said was full of same telling her they were still going ahead with vacation plans. As they were wheeled down to the a/c because they are too frail to make the short walk. The stupidity of these people won't just possibly kill them prematurely but will cause the crash of countless industries and endless jobs. My prayers go out to the people about to be laid off not these morons that won't accept the fact that they are at risk.


Look - ultimately, it’s other people’s lives to live. Some of those folks probably no longer care, and have a “if it takes me, it takes me” attitude and would rather live out some of their final days trying to enjoy things rather than sheltering in fear.

Everybody is going to make their own decisions and their own peace with this.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:21 pm

Porter suspending flights until June.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/eporter.flypor ... index.html

Easyjet asked crew to take 3 months unpaid leave. With Unions. I've seen mail but cant share, not sure if its wider knowledge yet.

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