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Re: Porter Airlines (PD/POE) suspending all flights at the end of the week. Planned to resume flying June 1.

Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:48 pm

A smart move by Porter.

They’ll be back.

I expect WS to cut domestic route capacity by at least 80% within the next few days, effective within a week.

Who knows what AC is up to. Last I checked, they hadn’t even acknowledge any Covid carriers on their flights, even though they have at least 50% domestic share in the market. WS has acknowledged at least 14 with perhaps 35% share. You statisticians can figure out the odds of that.

AC’s dreams of market share domination may come, at least temporarily, to fruition, but at what cost? Perhaps they’ll use up yet another of their “get out of jail free” cards, courtesy of the Quebec fearing federal liberal government.

Talk about whistling past the grave yard...
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:56 pm

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greenair727 wrote:
Miamiairport wrote:
....Uncle Sam might spend tens if not hundreds of billions to save UA, AA, DL, WN; maybe B6, AS and maybe, maybe Spirit. The others will be left to die.


I get the general comment of legacies over ULCCs though not sure how that is justifiable from a fairness perspective, though I get that DL is 1000x better than some other carriers on many fronts. But Why do you single out potentially saving Spirit over Frontier or Allegiant or the others? Is Spirit special in some way?


I would say HA is far more "special" than any of them (ULCC's I mean) given that if HA were to collapse, there would be no inter-island air transport in Hawaii. I think that's pretty important.


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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:59 pm

Southwest had several days of net negative bookings, even though haven't cut their schedule much - they did announce a 20% cut.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/southwes ... 03729.html

Also Southwest is allowing rebookings without paying a fare difference (and of course no change fee). They would rather have a rebook than a cancellation.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:08 pm

I'd be curious what percent of WN's canceled credits end up getting used (prior to the pandemic, of course)
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:00 pm

Emirates considering grounding the bulk of its A388 fleet

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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:02 pm

Delta says it will park 600 aircraft instead of previously parking only 300

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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:04 pm

Not sure if this is being talked about already but looks like some carriers are moving to cargo ops

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/airlines ... 58161.html
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:08 pm

On March 17 UA updated employees that UA would be reducing domestic capacity in April and May by at least 60% and we would only be operating 45 daily international flights.

Just a few hours ago according to The Points Guy DL just revised its domestic capacity as well. According to The Points Guy DL will now slash domestic capacity by 70%

DL is saying already 10,000 of their employees have taken the voluntary unpaid leave, UA does have employees already on voluntary unpaid leave although the total numbers to date have not been released.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/delta-to- ... operation/
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:10 pm

I wonder if BA will start sending their 744s or A380s down to SYD, to keep the flight crews on rota.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:12 pm

Transavia Netherlands has cancelled all flights from March 23rd to April 5th.

https://www.transavia.com/en-NL/update-coronavirus/
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:21 pm

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I wonder if BA will start sending their 744s or A380s down to SYD, to keep the flight crews on rota.


You’re more likely to see the 787-9 on the route first IMHO.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:31 pm

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I also expect airlines to take their time with refunds, it may take weeks or months before refunds are processed.


Are you unfamiliar with relevant consumer protection laws? In the U.S. a refund has to be processed to a credit card within seven business days. UA got fined - and stuck with a consent decree - for failing to do so.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:32 pm

Cops airlines suspending 80% of flights for April

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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:34 pm

India mulling $1.6 billion plan for its aviation sector

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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 8:49 pm

Sooner or later everybody will be grounded; the sooner the better for the health of the populations. Seriously, the remedy is to avoid social contact, stay at home and ride it out for a few weeks.

Before this week is out, all European, US and ME based airlines will be fully grounded absent a few key services. Dreaming of BA continuing to fly their wide-bodies to the US and Australia is a pipedream; there'll be no passengers left to fly with as borders will close and people will staying at home.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:00 pm

Hopefully this will all be over next week.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:01 pm

737max8 wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
greenair727 wrote:

I get the general comment of legacies over ULCCs though not sure how that is justifiable from a fairness perspective, though I get that DL is 1000x better than some other carriers on many fronts. But Why do you single out potentially saving Spirit over Frontier or Allegiant or the others? Is Spirit special in some way?


I would say HA is far more "special" than any of them (ULCC's I mean) given that if HA were to collapse, there would be no inter-island air transport in Hawaii. I think that's pretty important.


Have you ever heard of Southwest Airlines?


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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:06 pm

Clackers wrote:
Hopefully this will all be over next week.


You can't be serious. Next week???
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:09 pm

You meant next year?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:15 pm

Noshow wrote:
You meant next year?


I’m hoping we can get the virus itself into a more manageable plus in two months. Only after that can economic recovery begin.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:17 pm

Around 140 idiots (sic!) have been turned back at Frankfurt airport. Note that Germany is the fifth-most infested country and Europe has now more cumulated cases than China.

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-turning-p ... a-52819857
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:18 pm

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Sooner or later everybody will be grounded;

I don’t think so. VIPs still need to travel as do critical functions. These will still be flying, even if ‘everyone’ is banned.

Might be just the top 20 cities or something with service, but I think there will be airlines flying.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:29 pm

Lufthansa is operating a B748 FRA-MNL non-stop tonight March 18th, most likely a repatriation flight, as LH does not operate to the Philippines.

- LH9874 dep. 21.56 FRA - arr. MNL 16.05 B748 D-ABYU (arr. March 19)

https://www.flightradar24.com/DLH9874/24395ca3
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:35 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Waterbomber2 wrote:
I also expect airlines to take their time with refunds, it may take weeks or months before refunds are processed.


Are you unfamiliar with relevant consumer protection laws? In the U.S. a refund has to be processed to a credit card within seven business days. UA got fined - and stuck with a consent decree - for failing to do so.

Pressure is building on banks, credit card companies and airline loyalty programmes. All work smoothly in stable or growing environments, but not so much in reverse. Non-essential retail spending is in suspended animation.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:35 pm

Clackers wrote:
Hopefully this will all be over next week.


Couldn't agree more. Those redundancies will have really paid off by then...
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:36 pm

factsonly wrote:
Lufthansa is operating a B748 FRA-MNL non-stop tonight March 18th, most likely a repatriation flight, as LH does not operate to the Philippines.

- LH9874 dep. 21.56 FRA - arr. MNL 16.05 B748 D-ABYU (arr. March 19)

https://www.flightradar24.com/DLH9874/24395ca3

they do maintenance there, despite not serving the country
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:25 pm

cjg225 wrote:
Not sure if already posted here as this thread grows so fast, but hearing from a domestic ground transportation service provider that Long Island is considering a daylight-hours-only restriction for movement on the island as early as Friday.

That'll make cargo pickup/delivery nightmarish around JFK.


I havent heard that but isnt JFK techncally Queens? Though I guess its right on the border of Nassau
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:42 pm

I am sure someone may have asked this questions before. But which month the current situation last to would make both BA and LH deciding to retire their B744 earlier than planned?

If the demand weakness is a lasting phenomenon, at some stage BA and LH ought to think about retiring gas hauler and older aircraft early. I think B744 would be one of the candidate, together with A343 in LH group. The question is to what extend (i.e. when the situation ends and what future demand holds) would accelerate the decision?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:50 pm

Just announced Qantas has stopped all international flights, and stood down 2/3 of the workforce.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:53 pm

What is Hawaiian doing? Any news on capacity cuts to the Mainland or Neighbor Islands?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:54 pm

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What is Hawaiian doing? Any news on capacity cuts to the Mainland or Neighbor Islands?

I'm sure they will announce a more extensive cut in the next few days. My guess is 50% of all capacity. We will see.

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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:56 pm

I heard from several sources that all easyJet cabin crew and pilots got emails telling them they will have to take 3 months unpaid leave starting Monday.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 10:57 pm

AC is slashing its network for the next little while.

International flying will only include: LHR, FRA, CDG, DEL, HKG, and "Tokyo".

US flying will limited to: LGA, EWR, BOS, IAD, DCA, ORD, IAH, DEN, LAX, SFO, SEA, FLL, and MCO.

Domestic is down from 62 destinations to 40.

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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:08 pm

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Just announced Qantas has stopped all international flights, and stood down 2/3 of the workforce.


Their presser said from late March.

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... work-cuts/
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:24 pm

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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:25 pm

MartijnNL wrote:
744SPX wrote:
If Boeing receives bailout money it should be contingent on getting rid of the Max permanently and subbing some NG's until an NSA is ready which should be the main priority going forward.

:checkmark:

747megatop wrote:
Getting rid of MAX should be up to Boeing's board and market forces. The only contingencies for a bailout should be that ...

No. Getting rid of the Max should be the most important condition. That aircraft type really needs to go.

737 MAX will anyway go given Boeing's condition and the condition of all the airlines across the globe. Need not explicitly spell it out as a condition.That is why i said leave it to the market forces. What can't be left to the market forces is 100k+ employees. Also what can't be left to the market forces is the CEOs & board making merry with the bailout money. Remember what happened after the 2008 crisis bailout? There were many in the top rung that were getting bonuses and walked away with millions.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:43 pm

wenders825 wrote:
factsonly wrote:
Lufthansa is operating a B748 FRA-MNL non-stop tonight March 18th, most likely a repatriation flight, as LH does not operate to the Philippines.

- LH9874 dep. 21.56 FRA - arr. MNL 16.05 B748 D-ABYU (arr. March 19)

https://www.flightradar24.com/DLH9874/24395ca3

they do maintenance there, despite not serving the country

There is a "rescue" flight scheduled MNL-FRA tomorrow (March 20), though ...
https://www.lufthansa.com/de/en/flight- ... ion#rescue
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:55 pm

wenders825 wrote:
factsonly wrote:
Lufthansa is operating a B748 FRA-MNL non-stop tonight March 18th, most likely a repatriation flight, as LH does not operate to the Philippines.

- LH9874 dep. 21.56 FRA - arr. MNL 16.05 B748 D-ABYU (arr. March 19)

https://www.flightradar24.com/DLH9874/24395ca3

they do maintenance there, despite not serving the country


Good grief, how expensive is maintenance in Europe if they're flying to MNL to do it? :shock:
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:11 am

alo2yyz wrote:
wenders825 wrote:
factsonly wrote:
Lufthansa is operating a B748 FRA-MNL non-stop tonight March 18th, most likely a repatriation flight, as LH does not operate to the Philippines.

- LH9874 dep. 21.56 FRA - arr. MNL 16.05 B748 D-ABYU (arr. March 19)

https://www.flightradar24.com/DLH9874/24395ca3

they do maintenance there, despite not serving the country


Good grief, how expensive is maintenance in Europe if they're flying to MNL to do it? :shock:


They have a Lufthansa Technik Base there, primarily work on Philippines Airlines stuff as well as Lufthansa stuff ferried from closer by. You can compare this to VS flying 742s to be services by Aer Lingus, rather than a 12 hour flight, even with current fuel prices, they would make no sense. Would be surprised if it was still fully open to be honest.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:57 am

SY just announced a 23-30% cut for April/May. I am actually surprised it is so little; I half expected them to pull a Porter and just shut down to focus on their Amazon flying until this is over.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:40 am

crjflyboy wrote:
jetmatt777 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:

1. All the airlines aren't shut down
2. Even if they were there is still FX & UPS to ship cargo
3. I'd venture to say a majority of pharma products aren't shipped on passenger airlines (at least not domestically), since a lot of them require temperature controlled environments. Roche has been shipping their Corona products through FX in IND.


United specializes in pharmaceutical shipments. We have a good supply of temperature-controlled containers.


UAL could be the hero in this god awful mess the planet is in ... Elon Musk has been tweeting about this anti malaria drug for two days and putting tremendous pressure on world leaders to ramp up the production of this FDA approved drug.

I'm not a big UA fan as a passenger, but I gotta admit they're doing a bang-up job right now with this mess for cargo.

One of our forwarders is working very closely with UA chartering belly space predominantly for pharma companies and we're considering dipping our toe in that even though we're mostly doing fine with the remaining scheduled services out there.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:42 am

With Delta now announcing its intention to park 600 planes...I have to wonder what routes will be maintained? I see only domestic being maintained, primarily with the 737, 757, A220, and A321, with some A330s being used for heavy cargo routes and trans-con.

United plans to cut 60 percent. That likely leaves only the 737, 772, and 787 fleet as necessary. (The B77W could be used for belly cargo only, especially between Japan and Israel).

B6 is cutting 40 percent...which could see the end for the 30 owned E190s and possibly older unreconfigured A320s.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/a ... 863432001/

An interesting case is Allegiant, which only flies domestically, but is also vertically integrated, owning some of its resort destinations. It was building its own resort, but that has been suspended now.
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Guayaquil mayor orders blockade of GYE runway

Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:47 am

The mayor of Guayaquil ordered municipal vehicles to enter GYE airport and blockade the runway in an attempt to prevent inbound flights from Europe. Today's KLM flight was due to land in GYE to pick up some of the guests who had been stranded in Galapagos and repatriate them back home. KL755 landed in UIO on it's scheduled stop enroute to GYE, but had to abandon plans to continue to GYE due to the blockade. Instead the aircraft is heading back to AMS. I hope the national government can restore order so that repatriation flights can continue to pick up stranded vacationers.

https://www.elcomercio.com/actualidad/viteri-bloqueo-pista-aeropuerto-guayaquil.html (Spanish only)
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:10 am

Why is Qantas still pricing a seat in J for two weeks in May at $14,700?
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:38 am

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Why is Qantas still pricing a seat in J for two weeks in May at $14,700?


They figured if you are planning to fly in 2 weeks there must be a very strong reason and you must go, which means you are not sensitive to price at all and willing to pay whatever they want to charge you. Plus you only have few alternatives as most airlines have cut most of the flights so you don't really have much choice in routing/airlines.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:39 am

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Why is Qantas still pricing a seat in J for two weeks in May at $14,700?


Their revenue management software likely is pricing anything more than 30 or 45 days out as "normal".
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:47 am

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Norwegian is currently ferrying several B789 to various Scandinavian bases.

- 16 Mar 2020 CDG - OSL DY8982 B789 LN-LNO en-route
- 16 Mar 2020 AMS - SVG DY8985 B789 SE-RXZ en-route
- 15 Mar 2020 CDG - SVG DY8987 B789 LN-LNP Landed 19:36
- 14 Mar 2020 PIK - OSL DY8985 B789 LN-LNK Landed 19:18
- 13 Mar 2020 FCO - ARN DY8983 B789 LN-LNJ Landed 17:25
- 09 Mar 2020 JFK - OSL DY8988 B789 LN-LNX Landed 11.08

Source: FR24


Wow, I just saw LN-LNO last Friday (on flight 7047, CDG-FLL). I'm under the approach to FLL for planes from the north and east, so I often see the DY Dreamliners fly overhead (I've seen every other plane on that list except SE-RXZ and LN-LNX). A sad state of affairs. :(
 
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Re: Guayaquil mayor orders blockade of GYE runway

Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:06 am

What are the measures that major is going to take to host those who wanted out of Ecuador?
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Re: Guayaquil mayor orders blockade of GYE runway

Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:19 am

Kinda reminds me of the actions of the dude in Chicago in 2003... Dangerous.
 
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