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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:31 am

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Just a reminder to keep your posts relevant to Aviation, for all comments that are not aviation related, please continue discussion in the Non Aviation forum



What is the point of even posting on this site? I just left a useful comment with a direct source linked to it, and it was deleted. But you have left idle chatter posts untouched?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:35 am

The European Commission has issued interpretive guidelines on EU passenger rights with regard to virus-related cancellations and it is a mixed bag for airlines.

The current disruptions are considered to be an extraordinary event, therefore passengers are not entitled to compensation for flights canceled less than two weeks before departure, whether the cancellation is due to a government order or abnormally low bookings.

When airlines cancel a flight, passengers are still entitled to choose between a refund; re-routing at the earliest opportunity; or re-routing at a date of the passenger's choosing. The EC did add that “earliest opportunity” in the current circumstances may be hard to define and passengers may face considerable delays. The EC will consider airlines have met their obligations when they inform passengers “as soon as possible” when another routing is available.

The EC has not made changes to the "right to care" on the other hand. Passengers who request a rerouting at the earliest opportunity are entitled to meals, lodging, and transportation still.

When it comes to passengers who choose to cancel their trip, the EC is not getting involved. Fare rues apply, unless airlines choose to go above and beyond.
https://ec.europa.eu/transport/sites/tr ... 201830.pdf

The Airline4Europe (A4E) lobby and IATA are disappointed. They had three asks of the EC and got only one:
- No compensation for flights canceled within two weeks of departure;
- Waiver of the "right to care" provisions;
- Right to issue vouchers for future trips rather than refunds.
They will now make their case to EU member countries to try and get them to amend the EU's passenger rights legislation.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:59 am

aden23 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Just a reminder to keep your posts relevant to Aviation, for all comments that are not aviation related, please continue discussion in the Non Aviation forum



What is the point of even posting on this site? I just left a useful comment with a direct source linked to it, and it was deleted. But you have left idle chatter posts untouched?

Your post was unrelated to aviation. You're free to post in the relevant thread in the Non Aviation Forum. This thread is for aviation discussion only, which is exactly what qf789 said in the post you are quoting. We don't want to delete your comments, which is why we want people to post in the correct threads.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:13 am

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Just a reminder to keep your posts relevant to Aviation, for all comments that are not aviation related, please continue discussion in the Non Aviation forum

atcsundevil wrote:
Your post was unrelated to aviation. You're free to post in the relevant thread in the Non Aviation Forum. This thread is for aviation discussion only, which is exactly what qf789 said in the post you are quoting. We don't want to delete your comments, which is why we want people to post in the correct threads.


Can you perhaps give us some guidelines on what is being considered not related to aviation in the moderators eyes? I know I had a few posts deleted that were discussing how long it would take for flight schedules to bounce back if the malaria drug is effective. I (and likely others) am missing how discussion of the bounce back of schedules is not aviation related.

I don't envy y'all for having to moderate this thread (or the non-av one), but it seems that not everyone is on the same page.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:49 am

LAS IS ATC ZERO
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:52 am

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LAS IS ATC ZERO


BR549? 8675309?
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:53 am

CaptHadley wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
LAS IS ATC ZERO


BR549? 8675309?

They can use CTAF. Just happened 7 mins ago.

https://www.liveatc.net/hlisten.php?mou ... &icao=klas
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:53 am

32andBelow wrote:
LAS IS ATC ZERO


I'm assuming you are trying to say that LAS tower is closed (which is what the ATIS is currently playing back along with the GS in place). Do we even know if this has anything to do with COVID-19 or is it a separate issue?
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:54 am

alasizon wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
LAS IS ATC ZERO


I'm assuming you are trying to say that LAS tower is closed (which is what the ATIS is currently playing back along with the GS in place). Do we even know if this has anything to do with COVID-19 or is it a separate issue?

What else would it be? LAS doesn’t close.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:17 am

New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announcing now: New Zealand borders closing from 11:59pm tonight except to New Zealand citizens and residents returning. This will not apply to passengers in the air currently inbound, but no non-residents will be able to board for an arrival after 11:59pm. Australia expected to announce similar measures imminently.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/412 ... m-confirms

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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:55 am

alasizon wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
LAS IS ATC ZERO


I'm assuming you are trying to say that LAS tower is closed (which is what the ATIS is currently playing back along with the GS in place). Do we even know if this has anything to do with COVID-19 or is it a separate issue?

There's a separate thread on it already. Tower was evacuated after a controller reported he was tested positive.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:58 am

VirginFlyer wrote:
New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern announcing now: New Zealand borders closing from 11:59pm tonight except to New Zealand citizens and residents returning. This will not apply to passengers in the air currently inbound, but no non-residents will be able to board for an arrival after 11:59pm. Australia expected to announce similar measures imminently.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/412 ... m-confirms

V/F

Similar ban from NZ's neighbour Australia: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-19/ ... a/12071640

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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:06 am

^Did the tower at MDW re-open? Otherwise that would mean the US is down two airport towers, LAS and MDW.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:11 am

Between the websites of Aéroports de Paris, DELTA, AIRFRANCE, and Google; it astounds me that in less than 24 hours prior to flight departure, AF066 CDGLAX departing 03/19, shows different departure gates; M44 and M66. It’s clearly not a big deal at the end of the day but seriously, with the number of flight suspensions across the globe, it astounds me to find these inconsistencies.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:42 am

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Noticed how you dodged G4, which is entirely domestic + lower cost, and is reducing flying by 35%.


G4 is exclusively leisure, and extremely price-sensitive leisure at that. I'm surprised they're only reducing 35% - their market is far more susceptible to shocks like this than others, so comparing them to AS - which also acts as the de-facto interstate highway system in the 49th state - is truly as apples to oranges as you get in this industry.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:47 am

Qantas has delayed Project Sunrise, order for A350’s till the end of 2020

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... a350-order
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:10 am

EA CO AS wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
EA CO AS wrote:

G4 is exclusively leisure, and extremely price-sensitive leisure at that. I'm surprised they're only reducing 35% - their market is far more susceptible to shocks like this than others, so comparing them to AS - which also acts as the de-facto interstate highway system in the 49th state - is truly as apples to oranges as you get in this industry.


You should learn more about G4, your description of their customer base isn't that accurate. That description is more akin to NK/F9, yes G4 is leisure but their customer base is very similar to that of WN minus some of the business traffic that WN carries.

So no G4 & AS are not apples and oranges.

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But back to the point at hand in which you cited, that since AS is 1. Mostly Domestic, 2. Lower Cost, 3. Depends less on premium cabin (ie Business Traffic), they don't need to cut as much capacity. Yet, there are at least 3-5 other US carriers who match that description


EA CO AS wrote:

Really? That's their own definition, from slide 3 of their most recent IR deck...

http://ir.allegiantair.com/static-files ... 63ca7ef082


Thank you for highlighting that slide as it also points out that:
1. Their customers will travel in all economic conditions (meaning they are less susceptible to shocks in the market/downturns)
2. Are lower cost than their competitors (including AS)
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:17 am

I guess i woke up today in a strange surreal world. Guayaquil mayor orders city cars to block the runway and prevent IB6453 from landing. The plane had crew only and was going to pick up and repatriate stranded Spanish nationals. Finally the plane landed in Quito. Same thing happened to a KLM flight apparently. Is this for real or am i dreaming?

https://twitter.com/flightradar24/statu ... 5921769478
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:25 am

The last Austrian Airlines aircraft to land in Vienna before OS suspends all its flights until March 28th has arrived.

https://www.facebook.com/AeronewsGlobal ... 8507348231
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:25 am

Midwestindy wrote:
EA CO AS wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Noticed how you dodged G4, which is entirely domestic + lower cost, and is reducing flying by 35%.


G4 is exclusively leisure, and extremely price-sensitive leisure at that.


You should learn more about G4, your description of their customer base isn't accurate.


Really? That's their own definition, from slide 3 of their most recent IR deck...

http://ir.allegiantair.com/static-files ... 63ca7ef082
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:28 am

Pavlakakos wrote:
I guess i woke up today in a strange surreal world. Guayaquil mayor orders city cars to block the runway and prevent IB6453 from landing. The plane had crew only and was going to pick up and repatriate stranded Spanish nationals. Finally the plane landed in Quito. Same thing happened to a KLM flight apparently. Is this for real or am i dreaming?

https://twitter.com/flightradar24/statu ... 5921769478

He’s seeing how despite the vast resources that countries in Europe as well as the US have, the situation is deteriorating rapidly in many of these countries. It’s understandable how a mayor of a city with far fewer resources and wealth would react to this. People are afraid.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:30 am

upintheair2019 wrote:
The last Austrian Airlines aircraft to land in Vienna before OS suspends all its flights until March 28th has arrived.

https://www.facebook.com/AeronewsGlobal ... 8507348231

I think it’s very optimistic to believe operations will start up again after March 28th.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:46 am

EK considering parking their entire A380 fleet of 115 planes. 20 are already parked at DWC.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... us-spreads
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:53 am

Grounded LH fleet at FRA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmrQIMxb3QE

Sorry if this has been posted before but I don't read the whole thread. Feel free to remove if it's the case.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:13 am

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Grounded LH fleet at FRA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmrQIMxb3QE

Sorry if this has been posted before but I don't read the whole thread. Feel free to remove if it's the case.


Lufthansa is now at 95% grounded fleet. Remaining long-hauls operate out of Frankfurt only. The freighter fleet is operating in full, though, and Lufthansa considers employing some of the pax wide bodies as interim freighters. Not sure which ones they´ve in mind, I would expect the A340-600 with it´s large capacity of up to 14 pallets / 43 LD3 though (
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:52 am

ro1960 wrote:
Grounded LH fleet at FRA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmrQIMxb3QE

Sorry if this has been posted before but I don't read the whole thread. Feel free to remove if it's the case.



Terrible quality video, but from what i can make off of it: it looks like Victorville without sand... dozens of airplanes scattered around the airport. Sad sight!
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:02 am

Flying-Tiger wrote:
ro1960 wrote:
Grounded LH fleet at FRA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmrQIMxb3QE

Sorry if this has been posted before but I don't read the whole thread. Feel free to remove if it's the case.


Lufthansa is now at 95% grounded fleet. Remaining long-hauls operate out of Frankfurt only. The freighter fleet is operating in full, though, and Lufthansa considers employing some of the pax wide bodies as interim freighters. Not sure which ones they´ve in mind, I would expect the A340-600 with it´s large capacity of up to 14 pallets / 43 LD3 though (


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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:08 am

Pavlakakos wrote:
I guess i woke up today in a strange surreal world. Guayaquil mayor orders city cars to block the runway and prevent IB6453 from landing. The plane had crew only and was going to pick up and repatriate stranded Spanish nationals. Finally the plane landed in Quito. Same thing happened to a KLM flight apparently. Is this for real or am i dreaming?

https://twitter.com/flightradar24/statu ... 5921769478

KLM tried to fly from Quito to Guayaquil to pick up Dutch people to take them back home but were indeed refused to land.
https://twitter.com/ecuainm_oficial/sta ... 2088310786

Amazing since the plane came in EMPTY
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:09 am

Flying-Tiger wrote:
ro1960 wrote:
Grounded LH fleet at FRA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmrQIMxb3QE

Sorry if this has been posted before but I don't read the whole thread. Feel free to remove if it's the case.


Lufthansa is now at 95% grounded fleet. Remaining long-hauls operate out of Frankfurt only. The freighter fleet is operating in full, though, and Lufthansa considers employing some of the pax wide bodies as interim freighters. Not sure which ones they´ve in mind, I would expect the A340-600 with it´s large capacity of up to 14 pallets / 43 LD3 though (



I just spotted a Lufthansa Cargo flight on FR24 from FRA to VCV. Flightnumber GEC8152, operated by an MD11.
Not much cargo to pick up at VCV I think, so this one is going into storage?
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:42 am

SAS flew 2 A340s to retirement/scrap at Castellon this morning.
It was OY-KBC and LN-RKG.
Retirement of RKG was planned, KBC was premature.
They departed 10 mins after each other.

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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:48 am

I just spotted a Lufthansa Cargo flight on FR24 from FRA to VCV. Flightnumber GEC8152, operated by an MD11.
Not much cargo to pick up at VCV I think, so this one is going into storage?


This is a planned retirement. AFAIK it will be broken up.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:13 pm

patrickw421 wrote:
AEROFAN wrote:
Why is Qantas still pricing a seat in J for two weeks in May at $14,700?


They figured if you are planning to fly in 2 weeks there must be a very strong reason and you must go, which means you are not sensitive to price at all and willing to pay whatever they want to charge you. Plus you only have few alternatives as most airlines have cut most of the flights so you don't really have much choice in routing/airlines.


May is 2 months away not 2 weeks.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:15 pm

alasizon wrote:
AEROFAN wrote:
Why is Qantas still pricing a seat in J for two weeks in May at $14,700?


Their revenue management software likely is pricing anything more than 30 or 45 days out as "normal".


Ah IC. Thanks.
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IB & KL flights not allowed to land at GYE

Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:17 pm

Two empty planes, one operated by KLM from AMS and another one by Iberia from MAD, were unable to land at GYE due to multiple police cars belonging to the local police blocking the runway. Guayaquil mayor took responsability of this action as she "wanted to protect her citizens of the Coronavirus disease". Both planes were empty and were sent to bring back to Spain and The Netherlands many stranded europeans. Both planes had to divert to UIO (Quito airport) and collect their pax there.

Links:
English: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... nding.html
Spanish: https://www.pacozea.com/autoridades-ecu ... eria-video

What are your thoughts on this?
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Re: IB & KL flights not allowed to land at GYE

Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:28 pm

Sounds like the mayor of Guayaquil is lucky that stupidness doesn't hurt. The planes where empty and where just retrieving people that where already there. Furthermore, a simpel denial to land would've sufficed, police cars on the runway was just to show off.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:29 pm

Following the EU decision to close external borders, non-EU passengers (with exceptions ...) at AMS will be turned back starting today, March 19, 18:00 local.
https://www.schiphol.nl/en/messages/coronavirus-update
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:32 pm

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The European Commission has issued interpretive guidelines on EU passenger rights with regard to virus-related cancellations and it is a mixed bag for airlines.

The current disruptions are considered to be an extraordinary event, therefore passengers are not entitled to compensation for flights canceled less than two weeks before departure, whether the cancellation is due to a government order or abnormally low bookings.

When airlines cancel a flight, passengers are still entitled to choose between a refund; re-routing at the earliest opportunity; or re-routing at a date of the passenger's choosing. The EC did add that “earliest opportunity” in the current circumstances may be hard to define and passengers may face considerable delays. The EC will consider airlines have met their obligations when they inform passengers “as soon as possible” when another routing is available.

The EC has not made changes to the "right to care" on the other hand. Passengers who request a rerouting at the earliest opportunity are entitled to meals, lodging, and transportation still.

When it comes to passengers who choose to cancel their trip, the EC is not getting involved. Fare rues apply, unless airlines choose to go above and beyond.
https://ec.europa.eu/transport/sites/tr ... 201830.pdf

The Airline4Europe (A4E) lobby and IATA are disappointed. They had three asks of the EC and got only one:
- No compensation for flights canceled within two weeks of departure;
- Waiver of the "right to care" provisions;
- Right to issue vouchers for future trips rather than refunds.
They will now make their case to EU member countries to try and get them to amend the EU's passenger rights legislation.


Do these rules apply to UK-non EU-26 flights these days? I did some googling and some spammy-looking websites suggest that they do.
 
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Re: IB & KL flights not allowed to land at GYE

Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:43 pm

Typical in-fighting between the national government and then city of Guayaquil government. Those two are always trying to one-up each other.

The flights were authorized as humanitarian flights by national government.

The Mayor decided that the flight shouldn’t land because the crew would need to overnight to be legal to fly back. At least that is her argument after the incident.

Unbelievable.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:44 pm

alasizon wrote:
Can you perhaps give us some guidelines on what is being considered not related to aviation in the moderators eyes? I know I had a few posts deleted that were discussing how long it would take for flight schedules to bounce back if the malaria drug is effective. I (and likely others) am missing how discussion of the bounce back of schedules is not aviation related.

I don't envy y'all for having to moderate this thread (or the non-av one), but it seems that not everyone is on the same page.

As long as at least part of the post relates to aviation or aviation impacts, then it should be fine. General updates about the virus or impacts on other sectors is relevant, but not directly related to aviation discussion, so that's what we'd prefer to see in the Non Aviation thread. There are so many developing stories and so many things going on that we're trying our best to keep this thread dedicated to aviation, which is obviously our raison d'être.

We would certainly rather not delete posts, and when we do, it's absolutely not personal. We're just trying our best to filter through the news so that all of us avgeeks can have a more focused aviation discussion. Just like all of you, we're trying to keep up with the developing stories as well. Many of us work in the industry, and for me personally, the impacts at MDW and LAS are hitting pretty close to home, so we're trying our best to organize these various discussions for everyone's benefit. We realize things are far from perfect, but given how quickly things have been moving, we just ask users to bear with us and report posts that need our attention. We're always open to suggestions if people think things should be tried differently, so please post about it in Site Related if you have ideas.

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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:50 pm

FRA is closing the newest runway 07L/25R and will use it to park aircraft. LH is grounding ~700 aircraft out of their 763 strong fleet. https://www.oe24.at/coronavirus/Flughaf ... /422508354

VIE is closing all terminals except terminal 3. https://www.airliners.de/flughafen-wien-terminal/54327

TXL is routing most passengers through terminal C, SXF is now exclusively using terminal B. https://www.airliners.de/berliner-flugh ... nals/54344
All sources in German.

Further, the Belgian Post announced during a press conference earlier today that they will no longer accept mail to destinations outside of Europe, citing a lack of long-haul transport capacities. Can't find a proper online source, though.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:55 pm

PANAMsterdam wrote:
ro1960 wrote:
Grounded LH fleet at FRA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmrQIMxb3QE

Sorry if this has been posted before but I don't read the whole thread. Feel free to remove if it's the case.



Terrible quality video, but from what i can make off of it: it looks like Victorville without sand... dozens of airplanes scattered around the airport. Sad sight!


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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:04 pm

mxaxai wrote:
FRA is closing the newest runway 07L/25R and will use it to park aircraft. LH is grounding ~700 aircraft out of their 763 strong fleet. https://www.oe24.at/coronavirus/Flughaf ... /422508354


~700 out of 763? Where did those numbers come from??? Maybe the entire LH Group would total that (LH + LX/SN/OS), but LH mainline, LH Cargo and LH Cityline combined only total ~368!!!
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:14 pm

cathay747 wrote:
mxaxai wrote:
FRA is closing the newest runway 07L/25R and will use it to park aircraft. LH is grounding ~700 aircraft out of their 763 strong fleet. https://www.oe24.at/coronavirus/Flughaf ... /422508354


~700 out of 763? Where did those numbers come from??? Maybe the entire LH Group would total that (LH + LX/SN/OS), but LH mainline, LH Cargo and LH Cityline combined only total ~368!!!

It's a quote from LH Group CEO Carsten Spohr. You are likely correct to assume that he meant the entire LH group. Here's a link to a report on his announcement today: https://www.airliners.de/spohr-zukunft-luftfahrt/54339
Including a few points that were already known:
- SN, OS and EN completely grounded.
- Longhaul flights only LH from FRA and 3 weekly LX from ZRH.
- MUC only to be served by LH Cityline, no LH mainline
- Cargo fleet (7 777F, 6 M11F at LH plus 4 777F at Aerologic) will remain active
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:38 pm

Colombia will close it's international borders to all travelers, including citizens, for a period of 30 days effective March 23 at midnight. Only domestic flights, for the moment being, will be allowed at Colombian airports. This is troublesome since it's one of the largest connection hubs in the region
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:41 pm

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Colombia will close it's international borders to all travelers, including citizens, for a period of 30 days effective March 23 at midnight. Only domestic flights, for the moment being, will be allowed at Colombian airports. This is troublesome since it's one of the largest connection hubs in the region

This is going to be devastating for AV, hopefully, the govt will provide financial support.


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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:47 pm

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TXL is routing most passengers through terminal C, SXF is now exclusively using terminal B. .


Guess we don't have to worry about when Berlin Brandenburg will open for a while... :duck:
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:51 pm

chepos wrote:
pipeafcr wrote:
Colombia will close it's international borders to all travelers, including citizens, for a period of 30 days effective March 23 at midnight. Only domestic flights, for the moment being, will be allowed at Colombian airports. This is troublesome since it's one of the largest connection hubs in the region

This is going to be devastating for AV, hopefully, the govt will provide financial support.


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As of this moment, only some tax benefits have been awarded and as a recovery measure VAT will be reduced from 19% to 5% after the whole ordeal ends but I think there should be more to help AV
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:10 pm

aeropix wrote:
mxaxai wrote:
TXL is routing most passengers through terminal C, SXF is now exclusively using terminal B. .


Guess we don't have to worry about when Berlin Brandenburg will open for a while... :duck:


As a precaution to stop the spread of coronavirus, BER has been closed to all passengers since 2006. Well, you got to hand that to them!
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:18 pm

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Midwestindy wrote:
Noticed how you dodged G4, which is entirely domestic + lower cost, and is reducing flying by 35%.


G4 is exclusively leisure, and extremely price-sensitive leisure at that. I'm surprised they're only reducing 35% - their market is far more susceptible to shocks like this than others, so comparing them to AS - which also acts as the de-facto interstate highway system in the 49th state - is truly as apples to oranges as you get in this industry.


How do you get to the conclusion that they are “far more susceptible to shocks like this?” History has proven otherwise that they are generally better positioned to ride out turbulent times like this then others. And do you really think Allegiant is worse off then the likes of Delta, United or even Alaska?

All the ULCC will initially be in a better position then any of the other airlines when this blows over, strictly based on the fact they do not rely on premium traffic for the majority of their revenue.
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Re: IB & KL flights not allowed to land at GYE

Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:39 pm

My thoughts, complete idiots. Empty flights to help people get home with hardly any risk involved. Fire whoever's in charge.
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