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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:41 pm

The White House will hold a press conference in 20 minutes.
IMO Pres. Trump may announce border closures and domestic travel restrictions, perhaps even a ban for passenger flights?
 
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Re: IB & KL flights not allowed to land at GYE

Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:44 pm

as an additional problem is that the runway in Quito is not long enough for non-stop flights to Europe. That's why KLM has always operated its triangular flight AMS-UIO-GYE-AMS to fly back from Guayaquil non-stop.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:44 pm

Hi, does anyone know where I could see the number of global flights / day or passenger miles, in order to follow the impact of the pandemic on air travel?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:53 pm

dampfnudel wrote:
It’s understandable how a mayor of a city with far fewer resources and wealth would react to this. People are afraid.


There is nothing to be understood by irrationality and ignorance. Relativism in a time of crisis is a bad look.

"People are afraid" is NOT a mitigating excuse for an individual supposedly running a city of 2 1/2 million souls.
 
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Re: IB & KL flights not allowed to land at GYE

Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:02 pm

Not a bright decision of Cynthia Viteri, it seems.
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Re: IB & KL flights not allowed to land at GYE

Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:09 pm

IMHO this is far more than stupid, this is criminal.
Will be interesting to see if the decision takers will be held responsible.
 
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Re: IB & KL flights not allowed to land at GYE

Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:13 pm

All she had to do is order the crew to be screened upon entering the country. She could have also required that they not leave their hotel. Sounds like she lacked the foresight to either inform the airlines in advance that they couldn't land or issue restrictions on the crew. Either way, this is really silly and xenophobic.
 
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Re: IB & KL flights not allowed to land at GYE

Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:37 pm

Embajador3 wrote:
Two empty planes, one operated by KLM from AMS and another one by Iberia from MAD, were unable to land at GYE due to multiple police cars belonging to the local police blocking the runway. Guayaquil mayor took responsability of this action as she "wanted to protect her citizens of the Coronavirus disease". Both planes were empty and were sent to bring back to Spain and The Netherlands many stranded europeans. Both planes had to divert to UIO (Quito airport) and collect their pax there.

Links:
English: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... nding.html
Spanish: https://www.pacozea.com/autoridades-ecu ... eria-video

What are your thoughts on this?


About KLM :
Plane was not empty when approaching Guayaquil. It picked up 185 people in Quito , tried to pick up 164 others in Quayaquil but had to go straight to Amsterdam.
So those 164 people are still in need for a flight back home.
Source in dutch : https://www.telegraaf.nl/financieel/113 ... in-ecuador
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:52 pm

cbphoto wrote:
EA CO AS wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Noticed how you dodged G4, which is entirely domestic + lower cost, and is reducing flying by 35%.


G4 is exclusively leisure, and extremely price-sensitive leisure at that. I'm surprised they're only reducing 35% - their market is far more susceptible to shocks like this than others, so comparing them to AS - which also acts as the de-facto interstate highway system in the 49th state - is truly as apples to oranges as you get in this industry.


How do you get to the conclusion that they are “far more susceptible to shocks like this?” History has proven otherwise that they are generally better positioned to ride out turbulent times like this then others. And do you really think Allegiant is worse off then the likes of Delta, United or even Alaska?

All the ULCC will initially be in a better position then any of the other airlines when this blows over, strictly based on the fact they do not rely on premium traffic for the majority of their revenue.


I think G4 is likely to ride out this storm the best. Their entire model is a low utilization model that flies only when there is demand. So it's actually perfectly set up to handle a period with extremely low demand. They have very low fixed costs and no international exposure. Hard to imagine an airline that would burn through less cash than they would. Of course, they may not be counting on much help from the gov't.

At this point, even NK's reduction seems really light given how much of their international traffic will be shutdown over the next while. My guess is NK cuts for April/May will reach the 30-35% range in a week. That's of course assuming no further domestic restrictions. At the current rate of increase, NYC is going into a lockdown soon.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:55 pm

Flying-Tiger wrote:
ro1960 wrote:
Grounded LH fleet at FRA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmrQIMxb3QE

Sorry if this has been posted before but I don't read the whole thread. Feel free to3 remove if it's the case.


Lufthansa is now at 95% grounded fleet. Remaining long-hauls operate out of Frankfurt only. The freighter fleet is operating in full, though, and Lufthansa considers employing some of the pax wide bodies as interim freighters. Not sure which ones they´ve in mind, I would expect the A340-600 with it´s large capacity of up to 14 pallets / 43 LD3 though (


Can you confirm when the LH flying will stop? I have a friend on LH492 to YVR and they still say flight on 31st is still going ahead. But from their last twitter update 4 hours ago it seems only NA flights will be YUL, EWR & ORD, but doesn't say when effective from. The (reduced) schedule they provide only goes up to the 20th, so I assume they will be the last flights?
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:02 pm

It seems airlines are holding off on cancelling flights. Most likely reason, they are wanting people to rebook or cancel on their own so they don’t have to refund monies paid. I have a SK flight to AMS on April 11. Still shows as operating but I doubt it.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:16 pm

cbphoto wrote:
EA CO AS wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Noticed how you dodged G4, which is entirely domestic + lower cost, and is reducing flying by 35%.


G4 is exclusively leisure, and extremely price-sensitive leisure at that. I'm surprised they're only reducing 35% - their market is far more susceptible to shocks like this than others, so comparing them to AS - which also acts as the de-facto interstate highway system in the 49th state - is truly as apples to oranges as you get in this industry.


How do you get to the conclusion that they are “far more susceptible to shocks like this?” History has proven otherwise that they are generally better positioned to ride out turbulent times like this then others. And do you really think Allegiant is worse off then the likes of Delta, United or even Alaska?

All the ULCC will initially be in a better position then any of the other airlines when this blows over, strictly based on the fact they do not rely on premium traffic for the majority of their revenue.

At the same time, the majors will all be priced to the rock bottom matching G4, so given the choice why would anyone with a brain choose to fly G4 if there was another non-stop option?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:28 pm

Rdh3e wrote:
cbphoto wrote:
EA CO AS wrote:

G4 is exclusively leisure, and extremely price-sensitive leisure at that. I'm surprised they're only reducing 35% - their market is far more susceptible to shocks like this than others, so comparing them to AS - which also acts as the de-facto interstate highway system in the 49th state - is truly as apples to oranges as you get in this industry.


How do you get to the conclusion that they are “far more susceptible to shocks like this?” History has proven otherwise that they are generally better positioned to ride out turbulent times like this then others. And do you really think Allegiant is worse off then the likes of Delta, United or even Alaska?

All the ULCC will initially be in a better position then any of the other airlines when this blows over, strictly based on the fact they do not rely on premium traffic for the majority of their revenue.

At the same time, the majors will all be priced to the rock bottom matching G4, so given the choice why would anyone with a brain choose to fly G4 if there was another non-stop option?


G4 hardly competes h2h with other carriers

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EasyJet, unhappy times to come

Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:37 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51962981

" EasyJet has asked pilots and cabin crew to agree to sweeping changes in their terms and conditions, as part of its response to coronavirus.
Among the proposed changes are a freeze on planned pay rises and a requirement to take three months of unpaid leave.
The airline would also no longer provide food for crew during their shifts, only water."

Understand the hard times but no food? Not like a sandwich or two is gonna kill the budget.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:38 pm

AA Regional carrier Compass to shut down in April

https://thepointsguy.com/news/regional- ... es-flying/
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:47 pm

Some have discussed the recovery of LCC/ULCC's after this COVID-19 Pandemic. It will be interesting to say the least to see how it plays out.

First of all, some LCC/ULCC's were in poor financial shape long before this crises, (i.e.Norwegian). This will just hasten their going out of business, takeovers or mergers sooner.

Second, priority for government monies will be on mainline airlines then LCC/ULCC's with some exceptions (like Ryanair) as need to get business travel going first and to keep critical cargo like medical and pharmaceutical transport available.

Third, a high percentage of LCC/ULCC passengers are going to be broke as will not be working for months, will use up savings, won't have the money for travel, more likely take 'staycations'.

Fourth, if a number of LCC/ULCC's is reduced in terms of available seats, the rule of supply vs. demand will take over for sure and even they will charge much higher prices. You are unlikely to see cheap fares for a year or more until that shakes out.

Fifth, mainline airlines will likely be offering competitive fares vs.LCC/ULCC's along with better financial security, and quality of service as part of their overall recovery

I wouldn't expect UCC/ULCC traffic to reach recent high levels until well into 2022 as a combo of pent up demand and economic security has improved.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:58 pm

Here in the US ULCCs have been adding significant capacity and buying new planes. If the economy recovers quickly they should be ok other than a few really bad quarters. If this turns into a 2008-2010 experience, or worse, it's not going to be pretty. Remember what the legacies did back in that time period with promotions and low fares, and losses accordingly. $59 rt to fly to MCO might not sound like that much but multiple that by 4 (2 kids), lodging, food, activities and you're talking a $1,000 or more. Financially stressed or even financially recovering Americans aren't going to have that kind of money.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:00 pm

kevertje wrote:
Pavlakakos wrote:
I guess i woke up today in a strange surreal world. Guayaquil mayor orders city cars to block the runway and prevent IB6453 from landing. The plane had crew only and was going to pick up and repatriate stranded Spanish nationals. Finally the plane landed in Quito. Same thing happened to a KLM flight apparently. Is this for real or am i dreaming?

https://twitter.com/flightradar24/statu ... 5921769478

KLM tried to fly from Quito to Guayaquil to pick up Dutch people to take them back home but were indeed refused to land.
https://twitter.com/ecuainm_oficial/sta ... 2088310786

Amazing since the plane came in EMPTY
Apparently, this was an act led by the local government of Guayaquil. Airport authorities were kept in the dark about the reasons, as this was a call by the Mayor's office. This was irresponsible, and on the verge of even attempted murder. I hope the central government in Quito will take the appropriate action against the Mayor of Guayaquil and the people running the municipality.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:18 pm

last regular plane has landet at VIE with 132 pax from ORD

from now on no scheduled flight connections
only repatriation and gov related ad hoc flights
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:19 pm

MDW (Midway/Chicago) tower is still closed as of 1800Z. A few private planes and a couple of NetJets have flown in and out in the last hour or so. Still using Elgin TRACON for approach/departure, and the tower frequency as their Unicom channel.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:33 pm

So Compass is gone :(
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:35 pm

kd9gy wrote:
MDW (Midway/Chicago) tower is still closed as of 1800Z. A few private planes and a couple of NetJets have flown in and out in the last hour or so. Still using Elgin TRACON for approach/departure, and the tower frequency as their Unicom channel.


Can someone explain this to me? Regular decontamination doesn't take this long or did the FAA not have a contractor on standby?
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:38 pm

EL AL is operating rescue flights with 789's to repatriate over 1000 Israelis from Lima. These are the longest flights LY has ever flown.
https://simpleflying.com/el-al-rescue-flights-lima/
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:50 pm

aeropix wrote:
mxaxai wrote:
TXL is routing most passengers through terminal C, SXF is now exclusively using terminal B. .


Guess we don't have to worry about when Berlin Brandenburg will open for a while... :duck:

Fun fact, the current virus situation is delaying certification and testing of the new airport terminals. An employee at TÜV showed symptoms, so the team was sent to work from home (if possible) while on-site testing is suspended. Further delays are likely, although the airport still hopes to keep the current schedule (opening on October 31). The large scale public tests of the facilities could also get delayed as public gatherings may remain subject to restrictions for some time (and even if these are lifted, the situation won't return to normal in an instant).

https://www.businessinsider.de/wirtscha ... stelle-ab/
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Re: EasyJet, unhappy times to come

Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:00 pm

readytotaxi wrote:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51962981

" EasyJet has asked pilots and cabin crew to agree to sweeping changes in their terms and conditions, as part of its response to coronavirus.
Among the proposed changes are a freeze on planned pay rises and a requirement to take three months of unpaid leave.
The airline would also no longer provide food for crew during their shifts, only water."

Understand the hard times but no food? Not like a sandwich or two is gonna kill the budget.



The executives take a "whopping" 20% pay cut for three months, shareholders get 170 million, and the staff will only get a glass of water.

How about executives working for free for the next couple of months, just like some other airlines have done.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:02 pm

When it rains, it pours:

Don’t want to alarm anyone but: the coronavirus may delay the opening of Berlin’s new airport.

Ref: https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status ... 3336545281

Almost as shocking as Alitalia being nationalized.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:02 pm

Imagine if the A380 program wasn't ended recently.

If wouldn't have survived anyway this covid-19 crisis.

However, being already history, it is one less pain. Once again Airbus is lucky, being caught by the crisis in the best possible configuration.

Boeing on the other hand ... not only the Max fiasco but the 77X which since the demise of the A380 is now the larger comercially available airliner for sale, thus the most exposed one.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:03 pm

What is EasyJet's union situation. Can they just arbitrarily require everyone to take 3 months of unpaid leave? In America, ALPA would be up in the arms about this.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:48 pm

tphuang wrote:
What is EasyJet's union situation. Can they just arbitrarily require everyone to take 3 months of unpaid leave? In America, ALPA would be up in the arms about this.

In America they can lay them off.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:51 pm

Honestly, I hope widespread testing can ramp-up soon. Just as important is developing a test for the (mostly younger) population who got this virus and was lucky enough to have minimal symptoms such that they didn’t know or bother to get tested when they had it. Right now the test is still slow, clunky, and limited to those most ill.

The reason this applies to aviation is the Tom Hanks example. By April 1, Tom Hanks will have (hopefully) fully recovered, and be in a state where he cannot catch nor transmit the virus. So using Tom Hanks as an example of a “survivor”, there is no harm in him flying anywhere. The more people that can be identified as survivors, the quicker that portion of the population can get back onto life as normal. And once we have enough survivors, hopefully we can fill more planes again. But that is why widespread testing is so important, because both society and the survivors need to know who they are.
 
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Re: IB & KL flights not allowed to land at GYE

Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:07 pm

AirbusOnly wrote:
as an additional problem is that the runway in Quito is not long enough for non-stop flights to Europe. That's why KLM has always operated its triangular flight AMS-UIO-GYE-AMS to fly back from Guayaquil non-stop.


I thought that IB had been flying there for years non stop
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:08 pm

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel ... issue.html

The United States Department of State has issued a Level 4 Travel advisory worldwide ( Do Not Travel Warning)

Look at the above link for more information!

Be Safe and Healthy everyone!
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:12 pm

Interesting story out of the Marshall Islands:

The flight crew and 124 passengers on a regularly scheduled United Airlines Boeing-737 flight were not allowed off the tarmac in the vicinity of the plane after it experienced problems in Majuro forcing it to cancel the final leg of its service to Honolulu Wednesday night.

The United Island Hopper flight Wednesday that originated in Guam was to continue to Honolulu after its scheduled stop in Majuro but was grounded for unspecified reasons.

The plane, passengers and crew stayed inside the plane or outside in the immediate vicinity of the plane for over 10 hours, waiting for a rescue flight scheduled to arrive at 8am Thursday morning.

Full article: https://www.rnz.co.nz/international/pac ... passengers

I can think of worse places to not be able to get away from the immediate vicinity of the aircraft for 10 hours, but still seems quite rough. I dare say the service isn’t going to last much longer anyway with travel restrictions.

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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:25 pm

kd9gy wrote:
MDW (Midway/Chicago) tower is still closed as of 1800Z. A few private planes and a couple of NetJets have flown in and out in the last hour or so. Still using Elgin TRACON for approach/departure, and the tower frequency as their Unicom channel.


When is MDW set to open again? Supposed to fly LAX-MDW on Saturday.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:53 pm

TaromA380 wrote:
Imagine if the A380 program wasn't ended recently.

If wouldn't have survived anyway this covid-19 crisis.

However, being already history, it is one less pain. Once again Airbus is lucky, being caught by the crisis in the best possible configuration.

Boeing on the other hand ... not only the Max fiasco but the 77X which since the demise of the A380 is now the larger comercially available airliner for sale, thus the most exposed one.


Hate to break it to you but airbus has outstanding orders for over 7395 A320neo aircraft ALONE. Airbus will be lucky if 25 percent of those stand. Very bad times for aircraft manufacturers right now. At least Boeing still has defense contracts. Airbus is a sitting duck with all these orders that will go unfulfilled. As soon as airlines start filing for bankruptcy and go into administration, then all these orders become null and void.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:19 pm

You assume that the DOD will not be impacted.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:02 pm

TaromA380 wrote:
Imagine if the A380 program wasn't ended recently.

If wouldn't have survived anyway this covid-19 crisis.

However, being already history, it is one less pain. Once again Airbus is lucky, being caught by the crisis in the best possible configuration.

Boeing on the other hand ... not only the Max fiasco but the 77X which since the demise of the A380 is now the larger comercially available airliner for sale, thus the most exposed one.


There hasn't been a better time to have a production line shut down than today. It was a break for this industry crisis to hit now instead of, say, a couple years ago. They aren't producing airplanes that airlines can't or don't want to accept. Obviously it would be better not to have the line shut it down, but it's better today than at a different time.

Airbus will have to face production line decisions now. They get a break by being at the end of the A380 line, but the A330neo and A220 lines definitely do not need the disruption. Their low volume is less secure against a drastic hit to the order book and/or delivery schedule. It will be interesting to see how the manufacturers deal with production.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:21 pm

Dahlgardo wrote:
SAS flew 2 A340s to retirement/scrap at Castellon this morning. It was OY-KBC and LN-RKG.

Retirement of RKG was planned, KBC was premature.
They departed 10 mins after each other.

That's sad news. I was hoping to travel on one this year. The chances of securing a flight on the SAS A340 are getting smaller by the day. I am thankful that I got to experience the Swiss A340 last year. Adding a trip on SAS would be a nice bonus.

Do you know how many A340's are left in the SAS fleet? Will the type survive the corona crisis?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:34 pm

I'm hearing from a few sources there are potential contingency plans going on that US airlines may be essentially grounded by the end of the weekend.

There is a lot of pressure growing from multiple entities, agencies, and labor unions brewing out there to shut it down.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:50 pm

alasizon wrote:
kd9gy wrote:
MDW (Midway/Chicago) tower is still closed as of 1800Z. A few private planes and a couple of NetJets have flown in and out in the last hour or so. Still using Elgin TRACON for approach/departure, and the tower frequency as their Unicom channel.


Can someone explain this to me? Regular decontamination doesn't take this long or did the FAA not have a contractor on standby?

I have no insight to offer, but presumably they're waiting for tests to come back? It takes about a day, so it might make sense. Decon the facility and make sure that anyone returning to work is negative. That's just my guess though.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:05 pm

bennett123 wrote:
You assume that the DOD will not be impacted.


True, but the DOD is funded by the same government that is about to send almost every American $1200. If I were Boeing, I'd feel better about the DOD being a customer then the airlines who are weeks away from burning through all of the cash they have left. Once this passes, it will be survival of the fittest and buying airplanes will not be on the list of things to become solvent again for any airline worldwide. It will take years before we see airlines expanding again.
 
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:16 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
I'm hearing from a few sources there are potential contingency plans going on that US airlines may be essentially grounded by the end of the weekend.

There is a lot of pressure growing from multiple entities, agencies, and labor unions brewing out there to shut it down.


There is practically no one flying right now anyway. Flights that were booked for 150+ pax last week were down to around 50 booked on day of departure today and then had a 50-75% no show rate. This is typical right now everywhere. Airlines are cancelling more and more flights by the hour. By the middle of next week there may be no flights left to ground. The only people flying right now are the stragglers still trying to get home.
 
lavalampluva
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:27 pm

If their banning US citizens from flying internationally they’ll need to ban airlines from flying international routes.
Remind me to send a thank you note to Mr. Boeing.
 
MAH4546
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:31 pm

lavalampluva wrote:
If their banning US citizens from flying internationally they’ll need to ban airlines from flying international routes.


Nobody is banned. It is illegal for the United States to ban travel. Nobody has that authority. They are simply telling people not too. It can’t be enforced.
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smokeybandit
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:32 pm

lavalampluva wrote:
If their banning US citizens from flying internationally they’ll need to ban airlines from flying international routes.


No one is banned from flying. Just it's recommended not to.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:33 pm

Flaps wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
I'm hearing from a few sources there are potential contingency plans going on that US airlines may be essentially grounded by the end of the weekend.

There is a lot of pressure growing from multiple entities, agencies, and labor unions brewing out there to shut it down.


There is practically no one flying right now anyway. Flights that were booked for 150+ pax last week were down to around 50 booked on day of departure today and then had a 50-75% no show rate. This is typical right now everywhere. Airlines are cancelling more and more flights by the hour. By the middle of next week there may be no flights left to ground. The only people flying right now are the stragglers still trying to get home.


Spot on - I am finally headed home right now. Calling the airports a ghost town would be an understatement, and while the gate agent announced we’d have 45 on our flight, I counted 18 heads walking to the lav at the back.

It’s downright creepy in some sense to see everything everywhere this empty, but I guess that hopefully bodes well in curbing the virus.

I do agree though, there won’t be anything left to ground after next week. With hotels closing shop, crews struggling to commute based on cancels, ATC closures due to the virus, and nobody left to fly, it simply makes no sense to keep it up. I’m sure there will be a few flights left between large cities, but that’s about it
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:33 pm

There are still a backlog of some hold out spring breakers and now the seasonal snowbirds are bailing out of sun destinations like Florida and Arizona to hunker down at home. With nothing to do and with limited supplies, and fear of overburdened health systems they are leaving in droves. After Sunday they will basically be done.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:41 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
lavalampluva wrote:
If their banning US citizens from flying internationally they’ll need to ban airlines from flying international routes.


Nobody is banned. It is illegal for the United States to ban travel. Nobody has that authority. They are simply telling people not too. It can’t be enforced.

Countries can ban any non-citizens/residents from entering. The current restrictions aren't a ban on flights per se, so much as a border restriction on people. The effect is much the same.
 
MAH4546
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:02 am

BAINY3 wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
lavalampluva wrote:
If their banning US citizens from flying internationally they’ll need to ban airlines from flying international routes.


Nobody is banned. It is illegal for the United States to ban travel. Nobody has that authority. They are simply telling people not too. It can’t be enforced.

Countries can ban any non-citizens/residents from entering. The current restrictions aren't a ban on flights per se, so much as a border restriction on people. The effect is much the same.


No, it’s literally not the same. The United States cannot ban it’s citizens from traveling, domestically or internationally. The US can close its borders to foreigners. Other countries can close their borders to Americans. But it’s still not the same thing regardless of the effect.
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