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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:44 am

Armodeen wrote:
UK government refuses industry wide bailout for the airlines. Inevitable that some will fold. Massive news.
https://www.headforpoints.com/2020/03/2 ... drop-dead/


That's a misleading summary, IMHO.

UK Government has already pledged to pay 80% of salaries of staff if companies keep them employed (that includes airlines) as well as other tax measures to ease short-term cash flow. The Government has also said "as a last resort" there could be further discussions with individual companies.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... 19-bailout
The chancellor, Rishi Sunak, wrote to airline and airport executives on Tuesday reiterating the measures he announced on Friday to support jobs and industry across all sectors, including paying the bulk of staff wages and deferring some rates and tax payments.

His letter said that “as a last resort” there could be discussions with individual firms after those measures had been taken into account – but made clear that, for now, he does not share the aviation industry’s view that it is a special case.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:06 am

scbriml wrote:
Armodeen wrote:
UK government refuses industry wide bailout for the airlines. Inevitable that some will fold. Massive news.
https://www.headforpoints.com/2020/03/2 ... drop-dead/


That's a misleading summary, IMHO.

UK Government has already pledged to pay 80% of salaries of staff if companies keep them employed (that includes airlines) as well as other tax measures to ease short-term cash flow. The Government has also said "as a last resort" there could be further discussions with individual companies.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/202 ... 19-bailout
The chancellor, Rishi Sunak, wrote to airline and airport executives on Tuesday reiterating the measures he announced on Friday to support jobs and industry across all sectors, including paying the bulk of staff wages and deferring some rates and tax payments.

His letter said that “as a last resort” there could be discussions with individual firms after those measures had been taken into account – but made clear that, for now, he does not share the aviation industry’s view that it is a special case.


This seems to be the best and fairest approach imo.
Temporarily unemployed staff get paid by the government up to a ceiling, short term liquidity for the airline by easing prepayment deadlines on tax and social contributions, and if you still go into administration, government swoops in.

I was very critical of the previously suggested blank check approach, this looks perfect to me, so credit where credit is due, well done UK.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:36 am

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Who could imagine 1 year ago, that there are currently only 5 EK flights in the air when i check FR24! 4 inbound: EK262, EK238, EK230, EK409 and 1 outbound: EK9319. Probably repatriation flight?

Also, there is one Pobeda flight (DP887) from VKO on its way to Dubai that suddenly started to circle above the Black Sea at 37.000 feet. Might they have been refused permission to land at DXB?


Those EK flights, what routes are they on and why?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:44 am

Clackers wrote:
PANAMsterdam wrote:
Who could imagine 1 year ago, that there are currently only 5 EK flights in the air when i check FR24! 4 inbound: EK262, EK238, EK230, EK409 and 1 outbound: EK9319. Probably repatriation flight?

Also, there is one Pobeda flight (DP887) from VKO on its way to Dubai that suddenly started to circle above the Black Sea at 37.000 feet. Might they have been refused permission to land at DXB?


Those EK flights, what routes are they on and why?



All inbound to DXB, probably the last ones allowed to land. They are coming from: MEL, BOS, GRU, SEA and the departing one is on its way to CMN, making quite a detour flying over Greece and Italy. But maybe that is the normal routing, i don't know.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:06 pm

Oman air is cancelling all flights from their Muscat (MCT) home base from March 29, except for their domestic flight to KHS. No foreign passengers from other airlines may enter Oman. https://www.omanair.com/om/en/travel-ad ... s-outbreak
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 25, 2020 12:39 pm

I bloody hope KLM keep their 744Ms a while longer, far as I'm concerned they are pretty much the last combis operated by any major airline, and if the time was ever right for them it's now. Could lack of pax in the forwards cabin cause issues with weight balance though?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:04 pm

Qatar Airways is storing A320s, A330s, A350s, A380s and B777s at the old Doha Airport.


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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:05 pm

Goodness knows why QR refuses to ground operations. On its Twitter, it says that it continues to fly to several countries to take people home to their loved ones. However, given that practically all other big Middle Eastern airlines are grounded, including TK, it is strange that QR is doggedly continuing to fly.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:05 pm

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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:27 pm

I’m flying BUR-SFO on WN this morning, manifest is 6 pax. Walked through the terminal for observation Saw B6 BUR-BOS and counted about 10 pax. AA BUR-DFW looked about 30, BUR-MDW about 15. BUR-DEN about 20. This is crazy.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:04 pm

nine4nine wrote:
I’m flying BUR-SFO on WN this morning, manifest is 6 pax. Walked through the terminal for observation Saw B6 BUR-BOS and counted about 10 pax. AA BUR-DFW looked about 30, BUR-MDW about 15. BUR-DEN about 20. This is crazy.


I don;t know why US airlines are continuing these domestic flights, consolidate to 1/2 flights per day on trunk routes, can the rest. The US will follow Europe and be forced in to a complete lockdown imminently anyway, so stop the spread now and halt flights where possible.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:35 pm

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OptimusPrime315 wrote:
Please keep responses aviation only.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints chartered 6 Delta operated planes to escort back 1500-1600 missionaries from the Philippines back to the US and Canada due to COVID-19. 5 went to SLC while the sixth with to Canada somewhere. Flights were operated on 3/21 to MNL and 3/22 back to the US/Canada.
To MNL - To SLC - Aircraft - Tail #
DL8835 - DL8871 - 77L - N708DN
DL8836 - DL8872 - 77E - N866DA
DL8837 - DL8873 - 339 - N402DX
DL8853 - DL8874 - 359 - N509DN
DL8854 - DL8875 - 333 - N829NW

All flights to MNL were empty and stopped in NRT. Returning flights 71-74 stopped in NRT, while 75 laid over in HND due to curfew in NRT (so I was told).

Great Circle Mapper puts the distance between MNL and SLC at 7342 miles or 11,816 km granting a perfect route.

My question is why did DL not fly all the aircraft directly to MNL from SEA or LAX? Fairly empty I am assuming the range of the 333 and 339 (7000-7200 miles) increases significantly. Then on the return why not fly the 77L, 77E, and A359 direct? Easily within range of those three aircraft.

I fly to MNL about every other month for the past 4-5 years. Been going through NRT the whole time and about to start going through ICN. So I get the distance, but PAL goes MNL-LAX and SFO and I believe YVR with their 77Ws. If anything being a charter and not connecting any passengers in Japan and if you really need a layover to refuel, why not go to HNL then to SLC? Tailwinds?


Just tracked ET8705, B788, that arrived SLC Mar 24 at 932pm from Joburg SA. It was airborne 21 hours, with 2 refueling stops in Togo and Wash DC, for a total trip time of 27 hours.

The Church is bringing 12,000 missionaries back to US/Canada.

SLC is now enforcing COVID social distancing, after hundreds of family and friends greeted the 1000+ arriving Sunday on the Delta charters. They were told by the Church and airport authority that only parents could pickup each missionary and to stay in their cars in the parking garage, while the missionary was escorted out to them. However, the excited throng swarmed on foot with signs, banners, and balloons, to cheer each missionary coming out of the terminal. Local social media went livid about the lack of obedience to the protocol. The missionaries and families are requested to self-quarantine for 14 days.


Another Ethiopian Airlines, 8706, is now in route to SLC from Johannesburg after a stop in Lome. The Boeing 777 just crossed into the US over Michigan, arriving SLC about 1219p, Mar 25, 11hr 39min. Probably the first nonstop ever from Togo to Utah.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:40 pm

Experts say the peak in my country (UK) will be around Mid May to Mid June :(

In that sense, aviation at LHR cannot get back to normal until well into the summer, by which time I wonder if LHR will even need a third runway with the lack of surviving airlines.

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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:48 pm

FCAFLYBOY wrote:
nine4nine wrote:
I’m flying BUR-SFO on WN this morning, manifest is 6 pax. Walked through the terminal for observation Saw B6 BUR-BOS and counted about 10 pax. AA BUR-DFW looked about 30, BUR-MDW about 15. BUR-DEN about 20. This is crazy.


I don;t know why US airlines are continuing these domestic flights, consolidate to 1/2 flights per day on trunk routes, can the rest. The US will follow Europe and be forced in to a complete lockdown imminently anyway, so stop the spread now and halt flights where possible.


The past 10 days I have flown following (load is including me)

AS LAX-GEG with 12 pax. Gate next to my flight was an AS IAD-LAX arrival with just 9 pax onboard.
AS MSO-LAX with 5 pax (all of us upgraded to First!)
WN LAX-MDW with 59 pax (not too bad!).
UA MSN-LAX with 7 pax.
UA LAX-SCK with 2 pax
UA SCK-LAX with 2 pax


Later tonight I am flying LAX-FLL with B6. Will report back on the load, but looks very empty, just a 5-6 seats taken. Booked the flight for $17.40 this morning. I will then the day after fly FLL-BUF-LAX and those flights look also empty.


I have never seen LAX this empty, and generally speaking car traffic in LA is now nonexistent. Even the 405 around 4:30pm is empty, which is surreal.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:57 pm

FCAFLYBOY wrote:
nine4nine wrote:
I’m flying BUR-SFO on WN this morning, manifest is 6 pax. Walked through the terminal for observation Saw B6 BUR-BOS and counted about 10 pax. AA BUR-DFW looked about 30, BUR-MDW about 15. BUR-DEN about 20. This is crazy.


I don;t know why US airlines are continuing these domestic flights, consolidate to 1/2 flights per day on trunk routes, can the rest. The US will follow Europe and be forced in to a complete lockdown imminently anyway, so stop the spread now and halt flights where possible.


My hypothesis is that airlines want to burn as much cash as possible right now to make the case that they require billions in cash and loan guarantees.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:03 pm

DELTA777 wrote:
FCAFLYBOY wrote:
nine4nine wrote:
I’m flying BUR-SFO on WN this morning, manifest is 6 pax. Walked through the terminal for observation Saw B6 BUR-BOS and counted about 10 pax. AA BUR-DFW looked about 30, BUR-MDW about 15. BUR-DEN about 20. This is crazy.


I don;t know why US airlines are continuing these domestic flights, consolidate to 1/2 flights per day on trunk routes, can the rest. The US will follow Europe and be forced in to a complete lockdown imminently anyway, so stop the spread now and halt flights where possible.


My hypothesis is that airlines want to burn as much cash as possible right now to make the case that they require billions in cash and loan guarantees.


So the more they waste, the more they are rewarded?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 25, 2020 4:30 pm

Looks like airlines and airports will be receiving most of what they requested in the stimulus package

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/cor ... index.html

In exchange for the assistance, companies that receive the assistance are barred from making furloughs, pay cuts, or stock buybacks, and from issuing dividends to investors, through September. It also institutes limits on executive compensation.

Airlines may also be required to operate routes they would otherwise like to cancel because of low ridership or profitability. Under the bill, the Transportation Department can require air carriers continue service on routes, particularly for the “needs of small and remote communities and the need to maintain well-functioning health care and pharmaceutical supply chains, including for medical devices and supplies.”

It would also provide a tax holiday, allowing airlines to keep more of the ticket price customers pay.

Cash-strapped airports could also receive government assistance of up to $10 billion, including at least $100 million for general aviation airports
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:13 pm

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I am surprised LAX was dis-continued - they're going to have to truck all those Boeing spares from Seattle to ORD or IAH now which is slower and more expensive
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:34 pm

Dutch public broadcaster NOS has published a video of all the parked planes at AMS, the video is not really spectacular because it just looks like any other day since most planes are parked at the gates (just not in use).

But it gives you a bit of an impression. You can see a few Queens and their Dreamliner daughters standing next to each other though.

To see the video click here
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:54 pm

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I am surprised LAX was dis-continued - they're going to have to truck all those Boeing spares from Seattle to ORD or IAH now which is slower and more expensive


Not many spares needed when your fleet is grounded, plus the few aircraft that will keep flying can be supplied by warehouse stocks and can be cannibalised. So not a concern imo.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 25, 2020 5:54 pm

Been looking at repo flights. Three Internet A320’s went to Goodyear yesterday, FLA shows three more scheduled for today, but not off.
AA was sending E135’s to Marana a couple of days ago. Lots of DAL and SWA metal going to Victorville, looks like DL is using Wheels UP for the crew rescue flights back to SLC.

Looks like AA is sending 738’s and some others to Roswell. A UA 763 is on final for Roswell right now, with Skywest CRJ7’s for rescue back to Dallas. Looks like they are sending heavies to Tulsa??

Twit vid of from a drone over Victorville, including an arrival going to parking, from 4 hrs ago: https://twitter.com/breakingavnews/stat ... 6243227648
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:26 pm

B747forever why are you flying?
If this is for work I stand corrected and apologize, but if not, you're being quite irresponsible out here chasing flights when there are crew members who are terrified to work because of this pandemic.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:55 pm

Mike Boyd, purveyor of airline business analyses and market projections weighs in on the crisis in his latest, "Monday Insight" column on his website. For a guy who was touting China as the "next great opportunity" for major US airlines, he has suddenly taken a sharp, xenophobic turn with this most recent column.

https://www.aviationplanning.com/monday-flash-2-2-2/
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:07 pm

Can I ask why you're flying?

B747forever wrote:
FCAFLYBOY wrote:
nine4nine wrote:
I’m flying BUR-SFO on WN this morning, manifest is 6 pax. Walked through the terminal for observation Saw B6 BUR-BOS and counted about 10 pax. AA BUR-DFW looked about 30, BUR-MDW about 15. BUR-DEN about 20. This is crazy.


I don;t know why US airlines are continuing these domestic flights, consolidate to 1/2 flights per day on trunk routes, can the rest. The US will follow Europe and be forced in to a complete lockdown imminently anyway, so stop the spread now and halt flights where possible.


The past 10 days I have flown following (load is including me)

AS LAX-GEG with 12 pax. Gate next to my flight was an AS IAD-LAX arrival with just 9 pax onboard.
AS MSO-LAX with 5 pax (all of us upgraded to First!)
WN LAX-MDW with 59 pax (not too bad!).
UA MSN-LAX with 7 pax.
UA LAX-SCK with 2 pax
UA SCK-LAX with 2 pax


Later tonight I am flying LAX-FLL with B6. Will report back on the load, but looks very empty, just a 5-6 seats taken. Booked the flight for $17.40 this morning. I will then the day after fly FLL-BUF-LAX and those flights look also empty.


I have never seen LAX this empty, and generally speaking car traffic in LA is now nonexistent. Even the 405 around 4:30pm is empty, which is surreal.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:01 pm

Waterbomber2 wrote:
ER757 wrote:
xwb777 wrote:
Emirates SkyCargo updated route network
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I am surprised LAX was dis-continued - they're going to have to truck all those Boeing spares from Seattle to ORD or IAH now which is slower and more expensive


Not many spares needed when your fleet is grounded, plus the few aircraft that will keep flying can be supplied by warehouse stocks and can be cannibalised. So not a concern imo.

That's a good point - rob Peter to pay Paul for now instead of spending money on parts you have "in stock" on the grounded planes. They can load up again once they re-start their schedule
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:07 pm

B747forever wrote:
FCAFLYBOY wrote:
nine4nine wrote:
I’m flying BUR-SFO on WN this morning, manifest is 6 pax. Walked through the terminal for observation Saw B6 BUR-BOS and counted about 10 pax. AA BUR-DFW looked about 30, BUR-MDW about 15. BUR-DEN about 20. This is crazy.


I don;t know why US airlines are continuing these domestic flights, consolidate to 1/2 flights per day on trunk routes, can the rest. The US will follow Europe and be forced in to a complete lockdown imminently anyway, so stop the spread now and halt flights where possible.


The past 10 days I have flown following (load is including me)

AS LAX-GEG with 12 pax. Gate next to my flight was an AS IAD-LAX arrival with just 9 pax onboard.
AS MSO-LAX with 5 pax (all of us upgraded to First!)
WN LAX-MDW with 59 pax (not too bad!).
UA MSN-LAX with 7 pax.
UA LAX-SCK with 2 pax
UA SCK-LAX with 2 pax


Later tonight I am flying LAX-FLL with B6. Will report back on the load, but looks very empty, just a 5-6 seats taken. Booked the flight for $17.40 this morning. I will then the day after fly FLL-BUF-LAX and those flights look also empty.


I have never seen LAX this empty, and generally speaking car traffic in LA is now nonexistent. Even the 405 around 4:30pm is empty, which is surreal.


B747forever. Why are you flying? If for business then your company is behaving quite irresponsibly. If its on your own back then you should take a long look in the mirror.

Here in Europe we are in total lockdown and a tiny % of flights are operating for repatriation only. People are being responsible and staying home. I hope you decide too to.

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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 25, 2020 8:52 pm

sandyb123 wrote:
B747forever wrote:
FCAFLYBOY wrote:

I don;t know why US airlines are continuing these domestic flights, consolidate to 1/2 flights per day on trunk routes, can the rest. The US will follow Europe and be forced in to a complete lockdown imminently anyway, so stop the spread now and halt flights where possible.


The past 10 days I have flown following (load is including me)

AS LAX-GEG with 12 pax. Gate next to my flight was an AS IAD-LAX arrival with just 9 pax onboard.
AS MSO-LAX with 5 pax (all of us upgraded to First!)
WN LAX-MDW with 59 pax (not too bad!).
UA MSN-LAX with 7 pax.
UA LAX-SCK with 2 pax
UA SCK-LAX with 2 pax


Later tonight I am flying LAX-FLL with B6. Will report back on the load, but looks very empty, just a 5-6 seats taken. Booked the flight for $17.40 this morning. I will then the day after fly FLL-BUF-LAX and those flights look also empty.


I have never seen LAX this empty, and generally speaking car traffic in LA is now nonexistent. Even the 405 around 4:30pm is empty, which is surreal.


B747forever. Why are you flying? If for business then your company is behaving quite irresponsibly. If its on your own back then you should take a long look in the mirror.

Here in Europe we are in total lockdown and a tiny % of flights are operating for repatriation only. People are being responsible and staying home. I hope you decide too to.

Sandyb123


Some of our friends in the USA, including airline managements, haven't quite figured out yet what is going on.

Mixed signals coming from the White House are not helping.


I have a flight itinerary tomorrow to SFO via AMS and DTW with KL code, with AMS to SFO operated by DL.

My return with AF via CDG has been cancelled. I took this itinerary to have the A380 on the return leg.

It's annoying that DL doesn't cancel its flights, because I would be eligible for a refund. They are purposedly doing this so that everybody becomes a noshow and they don't need to refund and can cash the revenue.
I tried to reach my OTA, in vain, even though I stayed on the phone for the full 2 hours that my telecom operator allows me, 3 times.
They are overloaded and don't answer emails.

Under KLM's Covid19 policy, I am eligible for change of dates or a voucher in any case. Can't even get that processed as KLM refers to OTA and well, OTA doesn't pick up the phone.
So tomorrow I have to drive to the airport and try to get it fixed at the KLM counter pre-departure before I go noshow.

Pretty annoying and miserable but I wouldn't fly it even if they paid me to.

Ow and my ESTA status has been changed to suspensed.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 25, 2020 9:42 pm

At Sandyb123 I work for an airline and many of us don't want to fly. We're classified as "essential workers" and as such we're expected to show up for work on time as usual. The sad part is showing up to work to see how terrified and panicked my coworkers are. Anxiety levels are so high. Furthermore unless you can show proof that you tested positive for Corona, if you call out at this point, crew members will accumulate points and double points at that. I have a friend who's on probation with my airline who got to work on time but the airtrain between terminal broke down and he didn't get to his gate ontime. They assigned him 4 points for something that would normally be 2 points. Why, because operations are critical at this point. He can't afford anymore points or he's out the door.
Yes I do believe the airlines are being irresponsible be operating. So when crew members see people chasing flights and traveling when people should just stay home, it bothers them in so many ways. Airline employees are suffering and no one seems to care.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:02 pm

B747forever's post had me thinking over the last day, and not for the reasons others point out. Yes, it's probably reckless for him/her to be flying now. But he also gave us firsthand info that seems totally under reported in the news. I assumed, and now it's confirmed, that most of the few flights still flying are mostly empty.

Since I'm working from home and sitting under the Eastern approach to MRY, it has been mostly silent. I saw a single United Express CRJ today. (there is a western approach also) Barely even any bizjet traffic, which is normally 60% of total traffic. Normally 3-4 jets per hour coming in overhead to MRY.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:28 pm

Starting March 31st at 11.30pm until further notice, all flights due to be operated to / from Paris-Orly are reassigned at Paris-CDG.

Paris-CDG Airport:
Terminal 2G and Terminal 3 are temporarily closed from March 22th at 11:30pm until further notice

• Luxair, Air France, Air France Hop: flights operated from Terminal 2F

• Air Transat, Air Arabia Egypt, Air Arabia Maroc, Air Cairo, Alba Star, Blue Air, Enter Air, Fly Egypt, Freebird Airline, Jet2.com, Nouvelair, Smartwings, SunExpress, TUI Fly Belgium, Tunisair: flights operated from Terminal 1

• Vueling, Level, Iberia Express: flights operated from Terminal 2D

• ASL Airlines: flights operated from Terminal 2A and Terminal 2D

https://www.parisaeroport.fr/en/passengers/services/news/coronavirus---information-to-passengers-traveling-from-paris
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:40 pm

Airlinerguy wrote:
At Sandyb123 I work for an airline and many of us don't want to fly. We're classified as "essential workers" and as such we're expected to show up for work on time as usual. The sad part is showing up to work to see how terrified and panicked my coworkers are. Anxiety levels are so high. Furthermore unless you can show proof that you tested positive for Corona, if you call out at this point, crew members will accumulate points and double points at that. I have a friend who's on probation with my airline who got to work on time but the airtrain between terminal broke down and he didn't get to his gate ontime. They assigned him 4 points for something that would normally be 2 points. Why, because operations are critical at this point. He can't afford anymore points or he's out the door.
Yes I do believe the airlines are being irresponsible be operating. So when crew members see people chasing flights and traveling when people should just stay home, it bothers them in so many ways. Airline employees are suffering and no one seems to care.


Plenty of us care.
But not being in a powerful level of government or Airline management, we (I) can't do a damn thing about it.

I'm sorry you work in an industry that puts you between a rock and a very hard place. I feel for you and your colleagues.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:09 pm

I found some statistics on the percent of flights operating today on flightaware:

Airline (Percent Cancelled)

*American (63%)
Delta (35%)
United (52%)
SkyWest (30%)
PSA Airlines (46%)
JetBlue (37%)
Southwest (8%)
Endeavor Air (32%)
Alaska Airlines (36%)
Mesa Airlines (48%)
*Allegiant (72%)
Spirit (23%)

By Origin Airport:

Airport (Percent Cancelled)

ORD (40%)
ATL (37%)
DFW (43%)
CLT (49%)
IAH (42%)
EWR (38%)
LGA (40%)
LAX (24%)
JFK (36%)
MIA (37%)
SFO (34%)
MSP (32%)
BOS (29%)
So... when will the Northwest DC-9s be retired?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:28 pm

ro1960 wrote:
Starting March 31st at 11.30pm until further notice, all flights due to be operated to / from Paris-Orly are reassigned at Paris-CDG.

Paris-CDG Airport:
Terminal 2G and Terminal 3 are temporarily closed from March 22th at 11:30pm until further notice

• Luxair, Air France, Air France Hop: flights operated from Terminal 2F

• Air Transat, Air Arabia Egypt, Air Arabia Maroc, Air Cairo, Alba Star, Blue Air, Enter Air, Fly Egypt, Freebird Airline, Jet2.com, Nouvelair, Smartwings, SunExpress, TUI Fly Belgium, Tunisair: flights operated from Terminal 1

• Vueling, Level, Iberia Express: flights operated from Terminal 2D

• ASL Airlines: flights operated from Terminal 2A and Terminal 2D

https://www.parisaeroport.fr/en/passengers/services/news/coronavirus---information-to-passengers-traveling-from-paris


What about Transavia's flights from Orly? No mention of them..Will they continue?
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:11 am

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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:24 am

SwissCanuck wrote:
Can I ask why you're flying?

B747forever wrote:
FCAFLYBOY wrote:

I don;t know why US airlines are continuing these domestic flights, consolidate to 1/2 flights per day on trunk routes, can the rest. The US will follow Europe and be forced in to a complete lockdown imminently anyway, so stop the spread now and halt flights where possible.


The past 10 days I have flown following (load is including me)

AS LAX-GEG with 12 pax. Gate next to my flight was an AS IAD-LAX arrival with just 9 pax onboard.
AS MSO-LAX with 5 pax (all of us upgraded to First!)
WN LAX-MDW with 59 pax (not too bad!).
UA MSN-LAX with 7 pax.
UA LAX-SCK with 2 pax
UA SCK-LAX with 2 pax


Later tonight I am flying LAX-FLL with B6. Will report back on the load, but looks very empty, just a 5-6 seats taken. Booked the flight for $17.40 this morning. I will then the day after fly FLL-BUF-LAX and those flights look also empty.


I have never seen LAX this empty, and generally speaking car traffic in LA is now nonexistent. Even the 405 around 4:30pm is empty, which is surreal.


Because we live in a free country? What more reason do you need?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:08 am

sandyb123 wrote:
B747forever wrote:
FCAFLYBOY wrote:

I don;t know why US airlines are continuing these domestic flights, consolidate to 1/2 flights per day on trunk routes, can the rest. The US will follow Europe and be forced in to a complete lockdown imminently anyway, so stop the spread now and halt flights where possible.


The past 10 days I have flown following (load is including me)

AS LAX-GEG with 12 pax. Gate next to my flight was an AS IAD-LAX arrival with just 9 pax onboard.
AS MSO-LAX with 5 pax (all of us upgraded to First!)
WN LAX-MDW with 59 pax (not too bad!).
UA MSN-LAX with 7 pax.
UA LAX-SCK with 2 pax
UA SCK-LAX with 2 pax


Later tonight I am flying LAX-FLL with B6. Will report back on the load, but looks very empty, just a 5-6 seats taken. Booked the flight for $17.40 this morning. I will then the day after fly FLL-BUF-LAX and those flights look also empty.


I have never seen LAX this empty, and generally speaking car traffic in LA is now nonexistent. Even the 405 around 4:30pm is empty, which is surreal.


B747forever. Why are you flying? If for business then your company is behaving quite irresponsibly. If its on your own back then you should take a long look in the mirror.

Here in Europe we are in total lockdown and a tiny % of flights are operating for repatriation only. People are being responsible and staying home. I hope you decide too to.

Sandyb123


Because he can do whatever the hell he wants. And you can do whatever the hell you want. Trying to shame someone for living their lives because they have a different outlook than you is pathetic.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:18 am

Wow, this blew up and quite the reaction. I have my reasons for why I still keep on flying, and it isn’t something I am going to share with all of you. I really don’t have any obligation to explain myself, and as long as flights are operating, I will continue to fly when I have to.

I understand that crew go through a hard time and I show my appreciation for what they do, even more so right now. Can’t imagine how hard it must be for all connected to the travel industry trying to stay operational. Car rental companies, hotels, airlines etc that I have encountered the last 10 days tell the same story, how demand has dropped off a cliff and they don’t know how much longer they can keep operating.

Yes, it would be best if travel could be avoided at this time, but sometimes circumstances are such that one must fly.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 26, 2020 5:01 am

CriticalPoint wrote:
sandyb123 wrote:
B747forever wrote:

The past 10 days I have flown following (load is including me)

AS LAX-GEG with 12 pax. Gate next to my flight was an AS IAD-LAX arrival with just 9 pax onboard.
AS MSO-LAX with 5 pax (all of us upgraded to First!)
WN LAX-MDW with 59 pax (not too bad!).
UA MSN-LAX with 7 pax.
UA LAX-SCK with 2 pax
UA SCK-LAX with 2 pax


Later tonight I am flying LAX-FLL with B6. Will report back on the load, but looks very empty, just a 5-6 seats taken. Booked the flight for $17.40 this morning. I will then the day after fly FLL-BUF-LAX and those flights look also empty.


I have never seen LAX this empty, and generally speaking car traffic in LA is now nonexistent. Even the 405 around 4:30pm is empty, which is surreal.


B747forever. Why are you flying? If for business then your company is behaving quite irresponsibly. If its on your own back then you should take a long look in the mirror.

Here in Europe we are in total lockdown and a tiny % of flights are operating for repatriation only. People are being responsible and staying home. I hope you decide too to.

Sandyb123


Because he can do whatever the hell he wants. And you can do whatever the hell you want. Trying to shame someone for living their lives because they have a different outlook than you is pathetic.


People should absolutely be called out for not socially distancing, and that includes flying.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 26, 2020 5:41 am

BML87 wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:
sandyb123 wrote:

B747forever. Why are you flying? If for business then your company is behaving quite irresponsibly. If its on your own back then you should take a long look in the mirror.

Here in Europe we are in total lockdown and a tiny % of flights are operating for repatriation only. People are being responsible and staying home. I hope you decide too to.

Sandyb123


Because he can do whatever the hell he wants. And you can do whatever the hell you want. Trying to shame someone for living their lives because they have a different outlook than you is pathetic.


People should absolutely be called out for not socially distancing, and that includes flying.



Might as well throw in trips to the grocery store, pharmacy, gas station then while you’re at it then. Better yet don’t even step outside or you will be called out.

My reasons for flying today are nobody’s business. I took every necessary precaution advised. And I stand in solidarity and full support of all airline crews and will do my part to make sure they have a customer base And earned my dollar for my reason during this time. If you don’t like it, go kick rocks.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 26, 2020 5:41 am

asuflyer wrote:
Emirates fleet parked at DXB

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https://twitter.com/zeTravelersClub/sta ... 5004435457


Now I want to see them do an "elephant walk" minimum spacing departure, like USAF B-52s. Ah well, one can dream.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:12 am

Here's an interesting thought...and I'm US-based, so I apologize that it will be US-centric. What about a temporary restriction allowing carriers to operate just one rotation on their daily schedule. In other words, if a carrier has 10 flights AUS-DFW, reduce that to 1 daily flight (gauged to accommodate actual demand). I know that's shockingly like regulation, but these are different times. Perhaps 2x daily on "essential" routes like DC-state capitals. It's not a great idea, but this isn't a great situation.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:25 am

marcogr12 wrote:
What about Transavia's flights from Orly? No mention of them..Will they continue?


“All Transavia flights from or to France are canceled from March 21 to April 19.”

https://www.transavia.com/fr-FR/coronavirus/
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:32 am

CriticalPoint wrote:
sandyb123 wrote:
B747forever wrote:

The past 10 days I have flown following (load is including me)

AS LAX-GEG with 12 pax. Gate next to my flight was an AS IAD-LAX arrival with just 9 pax onboard.
AS MSO-LAX with 5 pax (all of us upgraded to First!)
WN LAX-MDW with 59 pax (not too bad!).
UA MSN-LAX with 7 pax.
UA LAX-SCK with 2 pax
UA SCK-LAX with 2 pax


Later tonight I am flying LAX-FLL with B6. Will report back on the load, but looks very empty, just a 5-6 seats taken. Booked the flight for $17.40 this morning. I will then the day after fly FLL-BUF-LAX and those flights look also empty.


I have never seen LAX this empty, and generally speaking car traffic in LA is now nonexistent. Even the 405 around 4:30pm is empty, which is surreal.


B747forever. Why are you flying? If for business then your company is behaving quite irresponsibly. If its on your own back then you should take a long look in the mirror.

Here in Europe we are in total lockdown and a tiny % of flights are operating for repatriation only. People are being responsible and staying home. I hope you decide too to.

Sandyb123


Because he can do whatever the hell he wants. And you can do whatever the hell you want. Trying to shame someone for living their lives because they have a different outlook than you is pathetic.


LOL this is probably the most arrogant and selfish statement I’ve ever read in 13 years I’ve been on A.net. I watched the US government say that everything will be back to normal by Easter in the US. “Deny till you dye” territory. Good luck with that!

Sorry folks but you are clearly being sold a lie and ignoring the reality of what is happening is madness. Asia and Europe has been decimated by the reaction to Corona. America will, sadly, be no different. It is indiscriminate and doesn’t care about stock markets or politics.

B747Forever is hiding behind anonymity so I’m guessing he’s probably an air marshall or similar. I understand flying is like an essential service in the US but I really feel sorry for all those crew who are being forced to fly or else!

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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:01 am

Since the US is the new hotspot of Covid-19 (despite a still low amount of people being tested), I would not worry about some nutters flying around the country because it's fun, cheap and the planes are empty. It is only a matter of time when pretty much all air traffic will be grounded.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:12 am

I’ll start by stating that I absolutely respect anyone’s individual decision to take multiple flights across the USA at this time. Why? Because in a few weeks, and indeed perhaps a lot less than that, you WILL be grounded and it will no longer be an option that you decide on. Thankfully.

I’m completely dumbfounded that many people in the US are still so blinkered as to the severity of this situation. If you are continuing to fly domestically, you ARE putting your own life and the lives of others at needless risk. You may well be carrying the virus asymptomatically, you may never catch it, or, you may have it already and be none the wiser. Have you really not seen and taken heed of what has happened in Asia and Europe, and why airlines across the globe are grounding themselves?

Newsflash... you’re about to get a huge dose of reality, so adjust now because when then entire US is properly in lockdown (and it will have to happen) you’re wake-up call is going to be loud and clear. Nobody needs to be flying at this time, unless it’s to return to their home country/city. The virus spread is already past the point of control in the US, and NYC in particular is the red zone. Be wise and take notice, before it’s too late.

Airlines are not grounding their fleets because of a slight downturn, this IS now a global pandemic.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:18 am

tcfc424 wrote:
Here's an interesting thought...and I'm US-based, so I apologize that it will be US-centric. What about a temporary restriction allowing carriers to operate just one rotation on their daily schedule. In other words, if a carrier has 10 flights AUS-DFW, reduce that to 1 daily flight (gauged to accommodate actual demand). I know that's shockingly like regulation, but these are different times. Perhaps 2x daily on "essential" routes like DC-state capitals. It's not a great idea, but this isn't a great situation.



That would make too much sense. But the entitlement in the US about frequency which is the reason for so much congestion at airports anyway, will never see to that.


Carriers could easily be using larger planes and widebodies to run shorter flights and have more densely populated cabins but god forbid people would only have one or two times to select from a day instead of every hour.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:34 am

BA Airbus A380 flying as BAW57D currently on her way to... storage? She hasn't flown for 5 days. Anyone having an idea where she is going? Spain?

https://www.flightradar24.com/BAW57D/24467c78
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:39 am

Tereul?.
 
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Paris Orly Airport / ORY to close starting March 28th

Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:39 am

All flights to and from Paris Orly / ORY airport will stop starting March 28th 00:00 LT. and unil further notice.


All flights will be moved to/from Paris CDG Airport.
ORY will remain open For Government, sanitary flights and diversions.
Parking stands and taxiways will be used to Park aircraft temporary unused.
 
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Re: Paris Orly Airport / ORY to close starting March 28th

Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:09 am

Is this the first airport worldwide to close its civilian operation due to Covid-19 ?

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