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Re: HNL cruise ship pax evac flights 23 March

Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:08 am

rdt757 wrote:
My company Ground Ops on HNL are being told tomorrow (23 March) there will be 8-10 pax flights from the cargo ramp operating as evac flights for 2 cruises ships that came into port. I understand the cargo operations will be disrupted due to very limited ramp space. Can anyone confirm or provide additional information?


Maybe not related but I heard the dutch ship "maasdam" was not allowed to disembark passengers in Hawaii so it's now scheduled to go to San Diego.
On flightradar24 I currently see 2 Wamos 747 planes from Madrid to HNL (EC-KXN and EC-MQK)

Dutch news : https://www.telegraaf.nl/nieuws/1545903 ... -san-diego
 
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Re: HNL cruise ship pax evac flights 23 March

Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:26 am

ShamrockBoi330 wrote:
rdt757 wrote:
My company Ground Ops on HNL are being told tomorrow (23 March) there will be 8-10 pax flights from the cargo ramp operating as evac flights for 2 cruises ships that came into port. I understand the cargo operations will be disrupted due to very limited ramp space. Can anyone confirm or provide additional information?


Norwegian Jewel docked in Honolulu today after being turned away from Tahiti and Fiji (closed borders, no infections on ship!), fueling up in American Samoa before being told they could head to Hawaii. Originally no one was to disembark until mainland but late before they arrived in port, they got permission to disembark passengers. Ship developed engine issues in recent days too which probably led to the permission being granted. They left Sydney February 22nd I think. Could this be one?

As I understand it, they are to be offloaded onto busses, and taken directly to waiting rescue and repatriation flights.
 
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Re: HNL cruise ship pax evac flights 23 March

Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:29 am

ShamrockBoi330 wrote:
rdt757 wrote:
My company Ground Ops on HNL are being told tomorrow (23 March) there will be 8-10 pax flights from the cargo ramp operating as evac flights for 2 cruises ships that came into port. I understand the cargo operations will be disrupted due to very limited ramp space. Can anyone confirm or provide additional information?


Norwegian Jewel docked in Honolulu today after being turned away from Tahiti and Fiji (closed borders, no infections on ship!), fueling up in American Samoa before being told they could head to Hawaii. Originally no one was to disembark until mainland but late before they arrived in port, they got permission to disembark passengers. Ship developed engine issues in recent days too which probably led to the permission being granted. They left Sydney February 22nd I think. Could this be one?



I know a little about two of them. WAMOS Air have 2 x 747s heading from Madrid to HNL. One will head to FRA (possibly non-stop) as is showing a lighter load. The other will route through Vancouver to London Gatwick.

Edit. Just reading that there'll be another flight going to Sydney. Unfortunately the New Zealand citizens were not permitted on it and are being flown to Gatwick! Not officially confirmed, is what I'm reading on a Facebook group for family of those onboard Norwegian Jewel.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 23, 2020 6:58 am

Bamboo said that it will serve PRG-HAN (one way) to help bringing Vietnamese citizens home.

Expensive move for QH as it has to ferry the 789s to PRG.
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Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:44 am

Haven't seen this discussed. According to Flight International SQ will ground almost its entire fleet, including Scoot and Silkair. Of the 147 aircraft it operates, it will park 138 until the end of April. That means the 744F fleet will be flying (7) and two Scoot aircraft (type unknown). This comes on top of a virtual shutting off of traffic transiting and arriving at Changi. The CAA/Singapore Government has banned connecting traffic as well as short-stay traffic.

SQ has also said it is in discussion with Boeing/Airbus to delay deliveries to conserve cash.

https://www.flightglobal.com/sia-ground ... 66.article
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:48 am

Hong Kong is to ban all non-HK residents to enter; also stops transit service in HK airport.
 
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Re: HNL cruise ship pax evac flights 23 March

Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:52 am

bananaboy wrote:
ShamrockBoi330 wrote:
rdt757 wrote:
My company Ground Ops on HNL are being told tomorrow (23 March) there will be 8-10 pax flights from the cargo ramp operating as evac flights for 2 cruises ships that came into port. I understand the cargo operations will be disrupted due to very limited ramp space. Can anyone confirm or provide additional information?


Norwegian Jewel docked in Honolulu today after being turned away from Tahiti and Fiji (closed borders, no infections on ship!), fueling up in American Samoa before being told they could head to Hawaii. Originally no one was to disembark until mainland but late before they arrived in port, they got permission to disembark passengers. Ship developed engine issues in recent days too which probably led to the permission being granted. They left Sydney February 22nd I think. Could this be one?



I know a little about two of them. WAMOS Air have 2 x 747s heading from Madrid to HNL. One will head to FRA (possibly non-stop) as is showing a lighter load. The other will route through Vancouver to London Gatwick.

Edit. Just reading that there'll be another flight going to Sydney. Unfortunately the New Zealand citizens were not permitted on it and are being flown to Gatwick! Not officially confirmed, is what I'm reading on a Facebook group for family of those onboard Norwegian Jewel.


Have seen a little more info.

There are charter flights to (in departure time order)

YVR
LAX
YVR
OGG
LIH
SYD
KOA
LAX
LGW
LAX
LAX
FRA
LAX
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:05 am

Please keep responses aviation only.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints chartered 6 Delta operated planes to escort back 1500-1600 missionaries from the Philippines back to the US and Canada due to COVID-19. 5 went to SLC while the sixth with to Canada somewhere. Flights were operated on 3/21 to MNL and 3/22 back to the US/Canada.
To MNL - To SLC - Aircraft - Tail #
DL8835 - DL8871 - 77L - N708DN
DL8836 - DL8872 - 77E - N866DA
DL8837 - DL8873 - 339 - N402DX
DL8853 - DL8874 - 359 - N509DN
DL8854 - DL8875 - 333 - N829NW

All flights to MNL were empty and stopped in NRT. Returning flights 71-74 stopped in NRT, while 75 laid over in HND due to curfew in NRT (so I was told).

Great Circle Mapper puts the distance between MNL and SLC at 7342 miles or 11,816 km granting a perfect route.

My question is why did DL not fly all the aircraft directly to MNL from SEA or LAX? Fairly empty I am assuming the range of the 333 and 339 (7000-7200 miles) increases significantly. Then on the return why not fly the 77L, 77E, and A359 direct? Easily within range of those three aircraft.

I fly to MNL about every other month for the past 4-5 years. Been going through NRT the whole time and about to start going through ICN. So I get the distance, but PAL goes MNL-LAX and SFO and I believe YVR with their 77Ws. If anything being a charter and not connecting any passengers in Japan and if you really need a layover to refuel, why not go to HNL then to SLC? Tailwinds?
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:07 am

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Hong Kong is to ban all non-HK residents to enter; also stops transit service in HK airport.

KLM is allowed to fly AMS-HKG tomorrow one time to pick up Dutch citizens.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:07 am

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Will US domestic passenger flights be grounded?


Because at the end of the day, no one is willing to say, we need to stop this now. Airlines don't want to be the first one to flinch (even though they're bleeding cash). The government wants to avoid the panic that a total domestic flight shutdown may cause. So now, we do nothing, and continue to allow it to spread around and around via aluminum tubing.


Sunday's numbers might focus some minds - nearly 9,500 new cases and over 100 deaths.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:27 am

Engine part supplier MTU Aero Engines will suspend operations for three weeks, starting next week Monday, March 30, until April 20. https://www.mtu.de/news-media/press/lat ... acilities/

For those who may not know this company, MTU specializes on compressors but also does some turbine parts. Their parts are used, among others, on the PW1000G, the GEnx and GE9X, as well as the F110-GE-129, F414 and EJ200 on the military side. So unless MTU intends to somehow make up for the lost time afterwards, expect delayed delivery of aircraft that use these engines.


On the OEM side, Airbus has restarted assembly in France and Spain after the planned 4-day pause. They used the time to reorganise processes for better protection of their employees; the Hamburg FAL is undergoing the same process now as well and is currently closed.
Financially, Airbus is raising 15 billion € (US$ 16 bln) additional cash and cutting dividends but is not asking for direct government assistance. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/airbus-p ... 08676.html
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:28 am

OptimusPrime315 wrote:
If anything being a charter and not connecting any passengers in Japan and if you really need a layover to refuel, why not go to HNL then to SLC? Tailwinds?


Check Great Circle Mapper distances. MNL-NRT-SLC is noticeably shorter than MNL-HNL-SLC.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:37 am

As numerous airlines between New Zealand and Europe have massively cut their network, the German government is organising a repatriation effort for German residents (and possibly other EU citizens). https://wellington.diplo.de/nz-de/botschaft/-/2314458

I haven't seen how exactly this is planned but that is going to be an unusal charter flight, if a dedicated flight is chosen. Possibly the first time for Lufthansa in a while (seeing how LH has been the go-to choice of German authorities for most repatriation flights).
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:13 am

Hawaiian Airlines will stop almost all long haul flights on March 26th and reduce interisland frequencies as well. The only long haul to be operated will be HNL-LAX (reduced to once daily) and once weekly HNL-PPT.

https://newsroom.hawaiianairlines.com/r ... tine-order

I expect other carriers to follow suit. I live in Waikiki and the place is almost a ghost town. Once the mandatory quarantine takes effect, I can't see any traffic aside from inbound Hawaii residents and outbound tourists.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:17 am

Following the directives of the GCAA, the UAE national carriers will suspend all international flights. Cargo flights only will operate as normal.
 
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Re: SQ to Ground 96% of Capacity

Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:36 am

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Haven't seen this discussed. According to Flight International SQ will ground almost its entire fleet, including Scoot and Silkair. Of the 147 aircraft it operates, it will park 138 until the end of April. That means the 744F fleet will be flying (7) and two Scoot aircraft (type unknown). This comes on top of a virtual shutting off of traffic transiting and arriving at Changi. The CAA/Singapore Government has banned connecting traffic as well as short-stay traffic.

SQ has also said it is in discussion with Boeing/Airbus to delay deliveries to conserve cash.

https://www.flightglobal.com/sia-ground ... 66.article

This means that SQ and MI will not operate all flights?
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:42 am

Austrian is extending their grounding until at least April 19. https://www.austrianaviation.net/detail ... pril-2020/

Unrelated, two Austrian 77E were sent to Xiamen (XMN) on last weekend as cargo flights for essential medical supplies. https://www.austrianaviation.net/detail ... sterreich/
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:45 am

scbriml wrote:
DiamondFlyer wrote:
CaliAtenza wrote:
Will US domestic passenger flights be grounded?


Because at the end of the day, no one is willing to say, we need to stop this now. Airlines don't want to be the first one to flinch (even though they're bleeding cash). The government wants to avoid the panic that a total domestic flight shutdown may cause. So now, we do nothing, and continue to allow it to spread around and around via aluminum tubing.


Sunday's numbers might focus some minds - nearly 9,500 new cases and over 100 deaths.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/


All due to expanded testing. And most new cases in the NYC area.
 
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Re: SQ to Ground 96% of Capacity

Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:57 am

It makes sense that airlines start doing this. It's much better to have two-three months of parked aircraft, than flying empty and then going bankrupt. I think generally people shouldn't be traveling anyway unless they absolutely need to.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:58 am

mxaxai wrote:
Austrian is extending their grounding until at least April 19. https://www.austrianaviation.net/detail ... pril-2020/

Unrelated, two Austrian 77E were sent to Xiamen (XMN) on last weekend as cargo flights for essential medical supplies. https://www.austrianaviation.net/detail ... sterreich/

Also OS just sent 772 OE-LPA with crew only to IAD to go back to VIE at 2100 on the 23rd for some reason.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:44 am

Austrian repatriating flights
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:47 am

Big news:
India has banned ALL pax commercial flight ops from tomorrow midnight i.e from 23:59 hrs on 24th March.

Only Cargo flights allowed. Int'l flights had already been banned on 22nd March.

https://twitter.com/moneycontrolcom/sta ... 69570?s=19
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:29 pm

Turkish Airlines suspends almost all international flights

Turkish Airlines has outlined planned operation for the period of 28MAR20 (2359LT 27MAR20) – 17APR20, as the airline downsizes operation to 5 International routes. Planned operation as of 0400GMT 23MAR20 as follows.

Istanbul – Addis Ababa 28MAR20 – 17APR20 5 weekly 737-800
Istanbul – Hong Kong 28MAR20 – 17APR20 4 weekly 777-300ER
Istanbul – Moscow Vnukovo 28MAR20 – 17APR20 2-3 daily 737-800/A321/A330-200
Istanbul – New York JFK 28MAR20 – 17APR20 2-3 daily A330-300/777-300ER
Istanbul – Washington Dulles 28MAR20 – 17APR20 6-7 weekly 787-9


source: airlineroute.net https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t-23mar20/
 
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Re: SQ to Ground 96% of Capacity

Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:53 pm

No point in flying if no one can enter the country or transit either.

Will they close Terminals then? I could see T2/T3/T4 being closed with no SQ flying (T2/T3) and no flights to Korea or hong Kong (T4)
 
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Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:53 pm

peterinlisbon wrote:
It makes sense that airlines start doing this. It's much better to have two-three months of parked aircraft, than flying empty and then going bankrupt. I think generally people shouldn't be traveling anyway unless they absolutely need to.

And there lies the problem. All travel bans that I have seen have exceptions but without airlines operating those empty flights, even if a passenger meets the exception rule it won't be able to travel. We are seeing that right now where people are allowed to return to their countries of origin but are unable to do so because airlines stopped flying.
Another problem is cargo. A lot of the world's cargo, including food that we eat every day travels in the belly of passenger planes. It's only a matter of time until we start to see shortages of some things.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 23, 2020 12:58 pm

so now that it looks like the bill discussed is only offering loans and not grant. Also, it would require commitment from airlines to not furlough. Do any or all airlines take this loan?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:11 pm

U.S. just announced evac flights from Guatemala. How is this being executed: airline/charter company, equipment, etc.?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:11 pm

This will be an unpopular topic on a.net: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... -business/
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:14 pm

mxaxai wrote:
Austrian is extending their grounding until at least April 19. https://www.austrianaviation.net/detail ... pril-2020/

Unrelated, two Austrian 77E were sent to Xiamen (XMN) on last weekend as cargo flights for essential medical supplies. https://www.austrianaviation.net/detail ... sterreich/


in the news they brought up that austrian has figured out a procedure with the regulator to transport not only cargo in the cargo aera but additional parcels in the cabine up to the MTOW if they fly the plane cargo only.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:37 pm

I'm hearing of serious price gouging happening with people desperate to get back home, you too ?
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:38 pm

With the news that all flights via UAE are suspended from Wed, this means a lot of Western Europeans are going to stranded all across Asia and Australia. Are repatriation flights being organised by anyone other than the German government? Or is the advice going to be to just stay where you are for the next 2-3 months?
 
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Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:50 pm

ORY possibly closing completely by March end:

“After the closure of zone 2 of Orly airport last week and Orly 1 this Sunday evening, the south of Paris airport could close by the end of March, according to the secretary of 'State of transport, Jean-Baptiste Djebbari. The few remaining flights would be concentrated at Roissy-Charles de Gaulle, where terminals 3 and 2G closed last night.”

https://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-finance/services/transport-logistique/coronavirus-fermeture-d-orly-en-vue-d-ici-a-fin-mars-selon-djebbari-842975.html
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:02 pm

The administration is behind the curve on much of this. Air travel was and is an essential service. We have stranded fellow citizens in various parts of the world who need repatriation. A competent WH would be arranging this, muscling foreign governments to transit our citizens to airports, allow a plane(s) to land and pick them up. Normally citizens are charged for this service. Flights within the US need to be maintained, but airlines need to cooperate so that there are just enough planes flying, probably at 50% LF (some social distancing), prices maybe a little higher than normal. ATC with these reduced flights can reduce number of controllers to a minimum. Obviously slot usage for the duration should reflect we are in an emergency situation. Often times an active duty general is assigned to honcho this, someone with high personal power and authority. Such a person backs up persons actually doing the job, and prevents others from disruptive agendas.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:18 pm

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cathay747 wrote:
jetmatt777 wrote:

Not quite. ZNY is the facility code for New York ARTCC. The en route ATC facility over much of the NE.


I realize it's probably without thought and from force of habit, but I do wish people would stop using codes for ATC facilities for the very reason that MartijnNL posted...some of you may know what ZNY or XYZPDQ95 means, but most of us don't as most of us don't work for ATC. Same as how I wish a few people wouldn't use codes for obscure airports...most members probably know the codes of the "major" airports of the world, but even I, working in travel management for 38 years, run into one on here from time to time that stumps me...and please also stick to IATA codes, not ICAO 4-letter codes. Just a polite request to help out those not-so-in-the-know. Thanks!

ZNY was mentioned several times up thread mentioning that it was New York Center. Even if you Google "ZNY", the first several results yield the correct answer. I realize that it's not ideal to use obscure codes (or in this case, codes unfamiliar to many outside of the FAA), but if it was already mentioned several times in the thread, it should be considered acceptable for use without translation.


Normally I would agree with you on this: but if it was already mentioned several times in the thread, it should be considered acceptable for use without translation.
...except when the thread in question is over 1500 posts long. I deeply respect you and your fantastic knowledge and the info you post, you're a great asset in these forums, but given the wide diversity of people here, I don't think my original request is too much to ask for.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:22 pm

MartijnNL wrote:
atcsundevil wrote:
Because it isn't an IATA code. Just search for "ZNY". This is the first search result https://123atc.com/facility/ZNY

Not where I live. This is the first result I get:
https://www.coingecko.com/nl/coins/bitzeny

But I must admit result number eight yields:
https://123atc.com/facility/ZNY

Still don't know what ARTCC stands for. Will try to google it.


More to my point ATCSUNDEVIL. Referring people to "look it up" may not be so simple. He didn't even know ZNY was a FAA/ATC code vs. IATA, I guessed it was FAA/ATC before figuring out from context that it was some sort of NYC-area FAA/ATC "center".
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:25 pm

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Normally I would agree with you on this: but if it was already mentioned several times in the thread, it should be considered acceptable for use without translation.
...except when the thread in question is over 1500 posts long. I deeply respect you and your fantastic knowledge and the info you post, you're a great asset in these forums, but given the wide diversity of people here, I don't think my original request is too much to ask for.

Fair enough. I realize it's hard for people to keep up in a wide-ranging, fast-moving thread like this. We're going to try to move away from consolidating so much discussion in this thread, so hopefully it will become more manageable. Our general thought with consolidated threads is to minimize duplication of discussion, but in this case, it's causing duplications within the thread because it's difficult to keep up.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:27 pm

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This link to a glossary of Traffic Flow Management Terms from the National Business Aviation Association.
https://nbaa.org/aircraft-operations/ai ... ent-terms/

Mods,
Would it be possible to create a sticky with links to some pages like this. It would be a big help when some of these abbreviations come up. ZYW came up earlier and I had no idea what it was (New York Oceanic Airspace). The map of centers in #1527 would be another good candidate for the sticky.
The Operations Pan Advisory came up earlier https://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_spt.jsp and is another good one to keep handy.
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Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:31 pm

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With the news that all flights via UAE are suspended from Wed, this means a lot of Western Europeans are going to stranded all across Asia and Australia. Are repatriation flights being organised by anyone other than the German government? Or is the advice going to be to just stay where you are for the next 2-3 months?

The French embassy in New Zealand is asking French nationals to register their desire to return home. https://nz.ambafrance.org/Coronavirus-C ... ntrant-des
I suppose if enough people sign up, they might organise a flight. Perhaps together with Germany.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:32 pm

cathay747 wrote:
N6168E wrote:
This link to a glossary of Traffic Flow Management Terms from the National Business Aviation Association.
https://nbaa.org/aircraft-operations/ai ... ent-terms/

Mods,
Would it be possible to create a sticky with links to some pages like this. It would be a big help when some of these abbreviations come up. ZYW came up earlier and I had no idea what it was (New York Oceanic Airspace). The map of centers in #1527 would be another good candidate for the sticky.
The Operations Pan Advisory came up earlier https://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_spt.jsp and is another good one to keep handy.
Thanks!


SUPERB IDEA!! Thanks! How about it mods? It would be helpful!

We've been talking about doing something like this for a while, but it takes a lot of time and effort. Maybe if someone in quarantine is bored and wants to make something for us, that would be great. Unfortunately most of us are still working and don't have the time to put things like this together. If anyone is interested in that, please post in Site Related or email us at [email protected].

Let's try to get back on topic.
 
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Re: SQ to Ground 96% of Capacity

Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:37 pm

airbazar wrote:
Another problem is cargo. A lot of the world's cargo, including food that we eat every day travels in the belly of passenger planes. It's only a matter of time until we start to see shortages of some things.


That is why cargo rates have gone through the roof. SQ will fly 7 744Fs and they will be packed. I spoke to a friend of mine who was in ANC on a layover and the freighters have been packed on both Eastbound and Westbound legs. There is over a two-week backlog of freight waiting to be hauled.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:44 pm

GE's Aviation division cutting jobs.

https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/general ... 2020-03-23
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:47 pm

Aesma wrote:
I'm hearing of serious price gouging happening with people desperate to get back home, you too ?


Emirates charged us £2000 to move a ticket from the 3rd of April to the 20th of March (LHR to AKL). We paid it and got home, no other option.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:16 pm

haynflyer wrote:
Hawaiian Airlines will stop almost all long haul flights on March 26th and reduce interisland frequencies as well. The only long haul to be operated will be HNL-LAX (reduced to once daily) and once weekly HNL-PPT.

https://newsroom.hawaiianairlines.com/r ... tine-order

I expect other carriers to follow suit. I live in Waikiki and the place is almost a ghost town. Once the mandatory quarantine takes effect, I can't see any traffic aside from inbound Hawaii residents and outbound tourists.


It's PPG, not PPT...American Samoa (Pago Pago), not Tahiti (Papeete).
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:19 pm

OS is doing pax rescue flights from CUN, MEX, PUJ, HAV and IAD and picking up supplies for Austria in XMN.

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https://twitter.com/lufthansaNews/statu ... 9538436097
 
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Re: HNL cruise ship pax evac flights 23 March

Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:19 pm

bananaboy wrote:
bananaboy wrote:
ShamrockBoi330 wrote:

Norwegian Jewel docked in Honolulu today after being turned away from Tahiti and Fiji (closed borders, no infections on ship!), fueling up in American Samoa before being told they could head to Hawaii. Originally no one was to disembark until mainland but late before they arrived in port, they got permission to disembark passengers. Ship developed engine issues in recent days too which probably led to the permission being granted. They left Sydney February 22nd I think. Could this be one?



I know a little about two of them. WAMOS Air have 2 x 747s heading from Madrid to HNL. One will head to FRA (possibly non-stop) as is showing a lighter load. The other will route through Vancouver to London Gatwick.

Edit. Just reading that there'll be another flight going to Sydney. Unfortunately the New Zealand citizens were not permitted on it and are being flown to Gatwick! Not officially confirmed, is what I'm reading on a Facebook group for family of those onboard Norwegian Jewel.


Have seen a little more info.

There are charter flights to (in departure time order)

YVR
LAX
YVR
OGG
LIH
SYD
KOA
LAX
LGW
LAX
LAX
FRA
LAX


Why would there be charter flights from HNL to OGG/LIH/KOA???
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:57 pm

Is CX and CI stopping all flights to SUB because of COVID19? I'm assuming it is, but I don't know that I've seen confirmation of that.

If they have, is that to try to consolidate more into CGK?
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:16 pm

frmrCapCadet wrote:
The administration is behind the curve on much of this. Air travel was and is an essential service. We have stranded fellow citizens in various parts of the world who need repatriation. A competent WH would be arranging this, muscling foreign governments to transit our citizens to airports, allow a plane(s) to land and pick them up. Normally citizens are charged for this service. Flights within the US need to be maintained, but airlines need to cooperate so that there are just enough planes flying, probably at 50% LF (some social distancing), prices maybe a little higher than normal. ATC with these reduced flights can reduce number of controllers to a minimum. Obviously slot usage for the duration should reflect we are in an emergency situation. Often times an active duty general is assigned to honcho this, someone with high personal power and authority. Such a person backs up persons actually doing the job, and prevents others from disruptive agendas.

Actually, it is you behind the curve.

The State Department stated nearly three weeks ago now, that foreign travel was NOT recommended, and that you could find yourself trapped overseas without possibility of rescue. Yet people still decided to get on cruises, go to Spring Break in Cancun, Spring Break church missions to Peru, etc. At some point, you are responsible for your own safety and security. You are free to make the choice to go, but you were also free to make the choice of stay or return.
 
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Re: SQ to Ground 96% of Capacity

Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:18 pm

airbazar wrote:
peterinlisbon wrote:
It makes sense that airlines start doing this. It's much better to have two-three months of parked aircraft, than flying empty and then going bankrupt. I think generally people shouldn't be traveling anyway unless they absolutely need to.

And there lies the problem. All travel bans that I have seen have exceptions but without airlines operating those empty flights, even if a passenger meets the exception rule it won't be able to travel. We are seeing that right now where people are allowed to return to their countries of origin but are unable to do so because airlines stopped flying.


IMO that's why carriers like UA and TK ended up keeping a half dozen int'l routes to connect select hubs or get across the pond. Reduces the bleeding but also keeps a conduit open. Total shutdowns aren't sustainable. Right now the focus is on slowing down the spread, but once it is out in full force a given set of jurisdictions, I could see them reopening traffic between these two a bit since the original purpose isn't there anymore.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:24 pm

Browsing FR24 I see 4 TUI Airways 737-8 going from YUL-NCL. Anyone know if these are repatriation flights?

Flight # (operating for Sunwing?)

WG9086
WG9082
WG9080
WG9084
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020 - Part II

Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:39 pm

KirkSeattle wrote:
Browsing FR24 I see 4 TUI Airways 737-8 going from YUL-NCL. Anyone know if these are repatriation flights?

Flight # (operating for Sunwing?)

WG9086
WG9082
WG9080
WG9084


Sunwing is returning their leased 737's to Europe. Sunwing and Transat leased a lot of 737's for the busy winter season here in Canada, but their return is usually later during spring.

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