Phosphorus wrote:Canuck600 wrote:I don't understand why people think this is so complicated, it's a pretty straightforward seniority system, if your work goes away you just bump somebody junior to you. But then again I've worked in transportation or been around the transportation industry most of my life.twaconnie wrote:
I'm not in the industry and your right it seems complicated.There is a lot to consider.
So, for us, outsiders, what if
1) the next guy, junior to you, is bumped downwards, and you take his/her place.
2) this is a type you are not current on, and you need training
3) the guy you bumped bumps somebody else, and they both now need training
4) some change of bases is in order, apparently, for these displaced folks
5) your retirement is a few months away
6) the airline takes you to a separate room, and offers you to take some money and benefits, and go play golf, instead of all that bumping, retraining, changing of bases, furloughs and other unpleasantries down the seniority list.
Would the hypothetical "you" look at it, or is it all a delusion?
To add nuance to the question -- what if all this displacement creates a rush for simulator time? Does it incentivize the airline to compromise?
And another caveat -- if the training (including waiting for simulator slots) makes sure you are current on your new type, simultaneously with your retirement? Does it incentivize both to compromise?
Great questions. You move backwards and bump the guy lower in seniority. That’s how it works. Good system and cost airlines money so they really need to think about cutting back and the costs associated with the fleet plans.
As for you statement about “the airline takes you to a separate room”. That doesn’t happen as they would have to make the same offer to all pilots.
To get me to retire early is a simple formula. When Delta pilots had their pensions taken away it hurt. My projected value would have been about 2.5-3 million US dollars. If they “take me in the back room” to offer an early retirement would have to be more than 3 million for me personally.