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wjcandee
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Thu Jul 02, 2020 7:53 pm

According to the Wall Street Journal, the Air Bridge project ended June 30.
 
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:37 pm

wjcandee wrote:
Just keeping up with Western Global's apparently-diminishing ability to participate in the Asian cargo scene and Air Bridge flights due to apparent equipment issues and the capabilities of its in-house SHV MRO facility...

I notice that N415JN, which has been on the ground at SDF since 6/27/20 (i.e. 4 days), is being ferried to OSC. Kalitta used to do heavy maintenance for WGN before they opened their own shop in SHV; maybe this is a recognition that their organic maintenance operation isn't keeping up with the needs of a high-tempo operation and they need some experienced help. To make that decision doubtless required some humility and resulted in some bruised egos, but if that's the direction they're now taking, BRAVO for looking the mirror and realizing that safety and the operation come first.

Today's Scorecard:

344KD Flying Asia (at ICN)
356KD ORD for 3 days
411SN Flying Military
412SN SHV for 5 days
415JN SDF for 4 days, about to ferry to OSC
512JN Flying Asia (was at RSW 6/18-27)
513SN Flying ORD-AMS-ORD (lower tempo)
542KD SDF for 6 days
543JN ANC for 3 days (on the way to Asia from YMX)
545JN Flying Asia (was at SDF 6/13-28 -- 15 days)
546JN SHV for heavy work since 5/23
581JN Flying (was at RSW 6/26-30 for successful quick check)
799JN Flying MIA-BRU (was at RSW 6/26-7/1 for successful quick check)

So 6 out of 11 MD11s flying today.
So 1 out of 2 747s flying today.

744F N497MC came to SHV from MZJ on 4/22, presumably to be activated. Still at SHV.
MD11 N435KD came to SHV from MHV on 5/3, presumably to be activated. Still at SHV.


N799JN seems to be employed short term by DHL covering one of the UK 767s on BRU-MIA. GDHLF flew to BUD today presumably for maintenance work, having come off MIA 922/923 on Monday.
 
wjcandee
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Fri Jul 03, 2020 9:44 pm

darloscott wrote:

N799JN seems to be employed short term by DHL covering one of the UK 767s on BRU-MIA. GDHLF flew to BUD today presumably for maintenance work, having come off MIA 922/923 on Monday.


Yes. I saw that. I was thinking that Amerijet briefly did or was going to do that flight, but they don't have the aircraft to do it, presently. 799JN has been one of the more-reliable of the bunch recently, so hopefully it goes well for them.
 
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:14 pm

wjcandee wrote:
darloscott wrote:

N799JN seems to be employed short term by DHL covering one of the UK 767s on BRU-MIA. GDHLF flew to BUD today presumably for maintenance work, having come off MIA 922/923 on Monday.


Yes. I saw that. I was thinking that Amerijet briefly did or was going to do that flight, but they don't have the aircraft to do it, presently. 799JN has been one of the more-reliable of the bunch recently, so hopefully it goes well for them.

I think they briefly did before DHL did a 3 way swap with DHK 763 taking BRU-MIA, AJT 763 moving to CVG-EMA and CJT 763 getting CVG-BRU
 
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Sat Jul 04, 2020 5:25 am

I've noticed a couple of AirBridgeCargo 747s coming in on DHL's second-shift ops at CVG. VQ-BRJ seems to be the aircraft of choice. HKG-ANC-CVG-LEJ on Tuesday 6/30 and HKG-ANC-CVG-BRU on Thursday 7/2.
 
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:18 am

Harvestman wrote:
I've noticed a couple of AirBridgeCargo 747s coming in on DHL's second-shift ops at CVG. VQ-BRJ seems to be the aircraft of choice. HKG-ANC-CVG-LEJ on Tuesday 6/30 and HKG-ANC-CVG-BRU on Thursday 7/2.


Yeah, someone (maybe you?) pointed out to me that Western Global was doing the Asia part of that from June 11 to June 21 with 744BCF N344KD until it had to go for maintenance at SHV. So CVG-ANC-HKG-ANC-CVG. Clearly DHL needed extra lift on that route. I wonder if Air Bridge has to start or end up in Europe if its gonna unload in the US. I think you can go EU-US-Somewhere and return, but I don't think a non-US carrier can go from a non-home country (or zone) to the US and return. But there are special rules if you transit ANC as well, so I'm not sure, and it's too late to look it up. (E.g. Cargojet can go Canada-US-Mexico, but can't go Mexico-US-Mexico.)
 
wjcandee
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Sat Jul 04, 2020 6:55 pm

Harvestman: I just noticed that Western Global used an MD11 (N543JN) to do ANC-HKG-ICN-ANC-CVG, arriving today.

And National is coming in behind it today with 744 N919CA, HKG-ANC-CVG. So DHL is throwing whatever it can get at that lane, it looks like. The WGN aircraft had been stuck in ANC for 4 days on its way to HKG, so maybe the original plan was for staggered flights, which got compressed when N543JN broke at ANC.
 
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:45 pm

Are the PC and TK flights to Moscow cargo flights or are they carrying passengers? I know Belarus and Ukraine are carrying passengers to Turkey but what about Moscow?
 
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How much FDX / UPS cargo is Covid related ?

Sun Jul 12, 2020 1:19 pm

Pure cargo operators and passenger airlines are transporting a substantial amount of PPE and other CV19 related items


I imagine it’s quite a strain for the exclusive cargo carriers to accommodate this in addition to their normal contracts


Anyone know what sort of percentage this amounts to now for FDX / UPS and other similar companies, and is it subsiding or fairly constant?
The best contribution to safety is a competent Pilot.


GGg
 
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DL 3324 ATL-BOM....How did I miss this?

Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:47 am

Hello All,

I live near PHL and when I look into the sky I notice when planes "don't belong." So I fired-up FR24 AR to find this gem soaring over Philly area. Are these one-off flights? Part of the repatriation scheme?
Piedmontgirl was always right
 
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Re: DL 3324 ATL-BOM....How did I miss this?

Tue Jul 14, 2020 1:59 am

That is in the flight number range used for cargo only flights.
 
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Re: DL 3324 ATL-BOM....How did I miss this?

Tue Jul 14, 2020 3:20 am

Cargo flight. DL has done a few of these ATL-BOM flights since April.
 
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:23 pm

Today in the morning I noticed in FRA that there was not only the usual SQ25/SQ26 A359 sitting at a finger but another SQ A359 parked in the are which is being used for remote boarding. When I returned to FRA in the evening it was still there. I think it is highly unlikely that it is being used for cargo and the JFK leg is not operating as far as I know. Anyone in the know?
 
QF744ER
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Tue Jul 28, 2020 10:14 am

Things must be looking up at National as they ferried N756CA MZJ-SAT for paint on the 27/7

Ex SQ/CX and KA B744BCF, quite remarkable as records show this frame has been stored since 04/2013, most recent photos of it show it engineless too.
 
wjcandee
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:11 pm

QF744ER wrote:
Things must be looking up at National as they ferried N756CA MZJ-SAT for paint on the 27/7

Ex SQ/CX and KA B744BCF, quite remarkable as records show this frame has been stored since 04/2013, most recent photos of it show it engineless too.


Maybe they thought that they would do it earlier, but figured that Western Global was already putting an extra 744 into the mix, bringing it to SHV three months ago for restoration for service.

Then they realized that it will be 2050 by the time the Western Global frame makes it out of SHV and into service. :lol:

National seems always to use quality vendors. N952CA is right now in TPE, presumably in an HMV at EGAT.

It's possible, I think, that N756CA is getting more than just paint at SAT. But you may have more insight than I.

Regardless, good for them.
 
wjcandee
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:00 am

So here's an interesting one.

ATI has been flying HKG-GUM-SYD-HKG for a while for DHL, using N395CM.

Today, she goes HKG-GUM-SYD. So far so good. But instead of flying SYD-HKG, she's flying SYD-GUM. An additional regular stop? Something else? Interesting.
 
wjcandee
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:17 am

And you know it has been such fun watching Western Global get busy with Covid-19 opportunities. Apparently the folks that do the actual work are nice people.

But, Man, it's a thrill a minute to see whether a flight that stops at ANC is going to be there for 3 hours or 3 days, whether a regular route is going to stop dead for days because the aircraft is AOG, whether an aircraft that goes into SHV for a low-level check is going to come out within months. The stuff seems to break ever-so-much-more-often than any other carrier I have followed. They have so much opportunity, and so little reliability.

But I was starting to criticize myself for my negativity when I saw that at least a couple of routes they got from DHL are actually being run reliably. Like the nightly MIA-BRU-MIA turn. A nice run for them. Been operating forever with N799JN. And I guess because at each end there's enough time to apply more speed tape, the thing was doing a pretty-reliable job.

But tonight -- air return to MIA. Oh, well. At least there is obviously no pressure to fly when the airplane is broken. That's a good, safe thing.

Meanwhile, another route they were doing -- LAX-HKG -- was using in part N512JN. Until it did a little loop around HKG after departure six days ago, and has been there ever since. A very-different business plan, for sure.
 
wjcandee
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Wed Jul 29, 2020 5:53 am

And indeed, given that 412SN has been AOG at ANC for basically 3 days, it looks like Western Global sent 513SN to ANC from ORD to pick up the cargo and bring it to LAX, where 412SN had been heading from HKG when it crapped out at its stop in ANC. So, after 3 days, the airline manages to bring in another plane to get the cargo and bring it to where I was air-shipping it to. Can't make me, if I'm a customer, too happy.

And this again raises questions about WGN's shop in SHV, and whether anybody there has a clue how to keep a fleet of MD11s running reliably.

412SN flew to SHV for maint on 6/26. It stayed there until 7/22. It then did a couple of test flights and departed for ANC and HKG on 7/24. It arrived HKG, picked up a load, flew to ICN to change crews, and took off for ANC. Where it stays. Right out of a month of maintenance and testing. Makes one overseas journey and doesn't even make it the full round-trip. That's just sad. And this paradigm seems to be a repetitive one. (I get that that can happen once in a blue moon, but this isn't once in a blue moon.)

Do we really think that if these aircraft were still at Lufthansa, they would perform like this? Or, what do we think would happen if ATSG's in-house maintenance arm AMES could only keep 50 percent of the ATSG fleet flyable at any one time? Would the head of maintenance still have a job? ATSG is still flying 767 Line Number 6 (SIX!!) delivered in 1983. AMES has the skills and tribal knowledge to keep this oldest-767-flying-in-the-world flying reliably. Notwithstanding its 43,000 (you got that right) cycles. AMES is now a center of excellence for 767s, which is why Atlas, Delta and United send their 767s there for heavy maintenance, and UPS has AMES installing the large flat-panel display system. Western Global could have had the same thing for MD11s in SHV, but they just can't seem to get it together. It seems they have lost an incalculable amount of potential business during Covid, and nothing seems to change. What would have happened if they had, say, VT Aero doing all their maintenance, induction, AOG, etc.? Like AMES does for Frontier's Airbii in TPA. Yeah, it would probably cost more, but what kind of reliability benefit would they have seen when their aircraft were in demand like never before. They had a good plan to staff their flights light and run a high volume to the Pacific, but their equipment wasn't ready for prime time, it seems. And, like I say, they are apparently nice people, so it's a shame.
 
wjcandee
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Wed Jul 29, 2020 8:42 am

I'm sorry, did I say "half" of the WGN MD11s were broken? My mistake. Seven (7) and maybe 8 of the 11 are either broken or in maint. So what's that? 64 percent. Yeah, more than half.

412SN aog at ANC since 7/26
415JN maint at OSC since 7/1
512JN aog HKG since 7/21
546JN maint at SHV since 5/23
581JN maint at RSW since 7/27
799JN air return MIA 7/28
545JN maint SHV 7/28
 
wjcandee
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Fri Aug 07, 2020 11:30 pm

So ABX has been given a great route by DHL, which requires 2 aircraft to fly on the daily-ish schedule. CVG-ORD-EMA-CGN-EMA-ORD-CVG. It started off well, but I am frankly surprised by the number of turnbacks and periods of AOG that ABX is having. Another air return this morning to ORD, and the aircraft is still there. These aren't crap ancient multi-owner aircraft, they're pretty-recent conversions that aren't exactly being flown to death. The one that turned back this morning, N371CM, is a 26-year-old ex-Qantas aircraft that was converted like 4 years ago, when it would have undergone an HMV concurrently. And ATSG takes good care of their aircraft, so it's a bit of a mystery as to what the problem is. I know that gremlins come and go, but it's unfortunate.

UPDATE: It was a bird strike on the runway; they leveled at 4000 to check it out, then decided to return to ORD. Since the aircraft is still there, presumably something problematic was found. Just bad luck.
 
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Sat Aug 08, 2020 7:44 pm

What is happening with air mail (non-couriers) are they also loaded onto these special cargo flights too ? Is the backlog in air mail because they are rarely allocated spots on these cargo flights? Do air mail also use dedicated cargo airlines like Fedex, Atlas etc?
 
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Sat Aug 08, 2020 8:17 pm

British Airways are still flying plenty of mail on their cargo only US services using passenger aircraft, especially on Sundays and Mondays.
 
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:57 pm

Are air mail ussually bulk loaded in like bags or are they placed into pallets and containers? Do airlines make money from air mail especially right now when mailing rates haven’t gone up?
 
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Sun Aug 09, 2020 5:43 pm

LH: Using Passenger Planes as Freighters No Longer Worth It
"Even now the prices in the market are higher than they were before, simply because there is so little capacity," said Gerber. Despite higher prices, the business is not a sure-fire success: "We have a cost apparatus for 100 percent of the capacity, but only fly a little more than 60 percent with very good utilization of our cargo holds."

The manager reported that the excessive demand for medical equipment was over. "What is needed now goes back on the ship. The use of passenger planes as freighters ... is no longer worthwhile for us."

"Of course we do short-time work* where the volume is missing," said Gerber, describing the situation. "In Munich there is a pure belly [passenger] fleet, but there is currently little flying, so there is a lot of short-time work there. All the freighters fly in Frankfurt ... In China business is booming, while individual stations in the USA are not served at all. If the bellys [of regular passenger flights] come back step by step, we will also reduce short-time work."

*Short-time work: ‘public programmes that allow firms experiencing economic difficulties to temporarily reduce the hours worked while providing their employees with income support from the State for the hours not worked' https://www.eurofound.europa.eu/observa ... -time-work

https://www.airliners.de/lufthansa-cargo/56752 [German]

He also talks about how they need to adapt quickly to shifting demand. They're cautiously optimistic for dedicated freighter demand for the rest of 2020 but can't give a long term prediction.
Also, LH is forced to decline requests for shipping to certain destinations that would usually see lots of belly cargo demand but have lost passenger service, yet don't have the yield or volume for proper cargo service either.
 
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Re: COVID-19 Cargo Discussion Thread (Cargo Operators and Passenger Airlines Operating Cargo Only Flights)

Sun Aug 09, 2020 8:04 pm

mxaxai wrote:
LH: Using Passenger Planes as Freighters No Longer Worth It
"Even now the prices in the market are higher than they were before, simply because there is so little capacity," said Gerber. Despite higher prices, the business is not a sure-fire success: "We have a cost apparatus for 100 percent of the capacity, but only fly a little more than 60 percent with very good utilization of our cargo holds."

The manager reported that the excessive demand for medical equipment was over. "What is needed now goes back on the ship. The use of passenger planes as freighters ... is no longer worthwhile for us."

"Of course we do short-time work* where the volume is missing," said Gerber, describing the situation. "In Munich there is a pure belly [passenger] fleet, but there is currently little flying, so there is a lot of short-time work there. All the freighters fly in Frankfurt ... In China business is booming, while individual stations in the USA are not served at all. If the bellys [of regular passenger flights] come back step by step, we will also reduce short-time work."

*Short-time work: ‘public programmes that allow firms experiencing economic difficulties to temporarily reduce the hours worked while providing their employees with income support from the State for the hours not worked' https://www.eurofound.europa.eu/observa ... -time-work

https://www.airliners.de/lufthansa-cargo/56752 [German]

He also talks about how they need to adapt quickly to shifting demand. They're cautiously optimistic for dedicated freighter demand for the rest of 2020 but can't give a long term prediction.
Also, LH is forced to decline requests for shipping to certain destinations that would usually see lots of belly cargo demand but have lost passenger service, yet don't have the yield or volume for proper cargo service either.


Aside from the A359 (maybe the A330?), LH unlike other airlines do not have passenger planes that have large belly capacity and fuel efficient like the 77W or 789 etc
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