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kb003cal
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Will Boeing and Airbus received new orders this year?

Sun Mar 15, 2020 6:43 pm

I believe will see deferred aircraft coming in the second quarter to save money. With losses mounting can airlines afford new narrow or wide body aircraft?
 
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Re: Will Boeing and Airbus received new orders this year?

Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:01 pm

good grammar

but yes, they have both received orders this year
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Re: Will Boeing and Airbus received new orders this year?

Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:06 pm

Will they receive new orders? Yes. Fleet planning doesn't stop. Carriers will still be looking out 3-4 years to replace types that age-out or have become uneconomical.

Will they have NET NEW orders, such that new orders exceed cancellations and deferrals in 2020? That I won't predict.

Manufacturers will need to be careful accepting orders from financially weak carriers. There is no point in holding manufacturing slots and building aircraft for a carrier that can't pay. There's also the risk of carriers cancelling orders in bankruptcy/administration.
 
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Re: Will Boeing and Airbus received new orders this year?

Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:05 pm

There will probably a lot of slots coming available this year. So with a bit of maneuvering, some airlines could actually speed up fleet renewable for an attractive price.
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Re: Will Boeing and Airbus received new orders this year?

Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:44 pm

I think there are more important questions for Airbus and Boeing at the moment. Like, how many airlines will go bust and what happens with their aircraft orders, how do travel restrictions effect manufacturing (especially the distributed manufacturing process of Airbus), etc …
 
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Re: Will Boeing and Airbus received new orders this year?

Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:03 pm

It's a brave airline that commits to spending any additional money right now when ticket sales have collapsed. I know MOL at Ryanair did in 2001, but I'm dubious as to whether even he is that brave right now
 
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Re: Will Boeing and Airbus received new orders this year?

Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:07 pm

Boeing has 18 gross orders for February for the 767 and 787 and Airbus received 296 gross orders in January so the answer to your question is "Yes" for both OEMs.
 
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Re: Will Boeing and Airbus received new orders this year?

Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:55 am

Stitch wrote:
Boeing has 18 gross orders for February for the 767 and 787 and Airbus received 296 gross orders in January so the answer to your question is "Yes" for both OEMs.

..... so far yes, but the question is for this year. What are the net orders at the end of this year ??? I can see a dark hole.
 
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Re: Will Boeing and Airbus received new orders this year?

Mon Mar 16, 2020 12:57 am

oldJoe wrote:
Stitch wrote:
Boeing has 18 gross orders for February for the 767 and 787 and Airbus received 296 gross orders in January so the answer to your question is "Yes" for both OEMs.

..... so far yes, but the question is for this year. What are the net orders at the end of this year ??? I can see a dark hole.

This is March, it is impossible for everyone guessing what will happen 'til December.
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Re: Will Boeing and Airbus received new orders this year?

Mon Mar 16, 2020 1:28 am

Freighters - yes I believe.
 
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Re: Will Boeing and Airbus received new orders this year?

Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:09 pm

oldJoe wrote:
..... so far yes, but the question is for this year. What are the net orders at the end of this year ??? I can see a dark hole.


The OP asked if either OEM will receive any new orders in 2020. And both Airbus and Boeing have.

Though I am sure there will be threads about the final 2020 total and whether or not either OEM was Net Positive or Net Negative.
 
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Re: Will Boeing and Airbus received new orders this year?

Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:20 pm

UPS757Pilot wrote:
Freighters - yes I believe.


If the demand for pax planes drops, more frames become available for cargo conversion, which reduces the demand nor new freighters.

At the moment it is impossible to say. The crisis could be over in May if a working drug is found or keep going for the whole year and into 20201, which then will mean few airlines will have the money to buy planes and the market will be flooded by used planes coming from airlines that did not survive.
 
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Re: Will Boeing and Airbus received new orders this year?

Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:35 pm

I just so enjoy how the inference of the question (Will more planes be ordered in the remainder of this year?) Gets blown past by a narrow reading of the question which from the ongoing context requires a bit of shenanigans to play some weird game of one-upmanship and reply with a pointless answer that we already know and furthers the discussion none.

I think its unlikely anyone is ordering anything in the next 6 months, and we will see how firm other commitments are in time.
 
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Re: Will Boeing and Airbus received new orders this year?

Mon Mar 16, 2020 2:47 pm

Rossiya747 wrote:
good grammar
but yes, they have both received orders this year


The OP has been a member for 9 years with only 5 posts. It may be that English is not their first language.
How is you Czech?

Back to the topic at hand. Although fleet planning doesn't change, available cash will be reduced in the short term this year. Curious to see how that will effect purchases myself.
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Re: Will Boeing and Airbus received new orders this year?

Mon Mar 16, 2020 3:38 pm

FiscAutTecGarte wrote:
Rossiya747 wrote:
good grammar
but yes, they have both received orders this year


The OP has been a member for 9 years with only 5 posts. It may be that English is not their first language.
How is you Czech?

Back to the topic at hand. Although fleet planning doesn't change, available cash will be reduced in the short term this year. Curious to see how that will effect purchases myself.

Very curious as well. IAG saying they will fast track 747 and A340 retirements as well as A few aer Lingus a330s. I wonder if BA will scrap their seemed plan to up-gauge their 777-200ERs. They will probably just go for the A359 or something. It seemed like 777X had a role in the replacement but with this drastic fall in demand it might make sense to play it safe.
 
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Re: Will Boeing and Airbus received new orders this year?

Mon Mar 16, 2020 4:12 pm

I wonder if the sudden flooding of the market of fairly new frames from the likes of Norwegian and other airlines that fail could negate orders for new aircraft. There could be a lot of A3XX and 787's available at bargain prices. This could seriously affect the new orders.
 
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Re: Will Boeing and Airbus received new orders this year?

Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:02 pm

This massively different to 9/11, which was a shock to the airline world, but less so away from the US, hence the likes of Ryanair taking advantage

Coronavirus will devastate the global economy for months, no country will be immune. Aircraft salesmen will be self isolating at home like everyone else...
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Re: Will Boeing and Airbus received new orders this year?

Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:44 am

https://www.flightglobal.com/airframers ... 93.article

Boeing’s commercial aircraft order backlog declined by 28 in February as customers cancelled deals for 737 Max, 787s and 777s, and converted Max orders to other types.
 
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Re: Will Boeing and Airbus received new orders this year?

Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:45 am

AirbusA6 wrote:
This massively different to 9/11, which was a shock to the airline world, but less so away from the US, hence the likes of Ryanair taking advantage

Coronavirus will devastate the global economy for months, no country will be immune. Aircraft salesmen will be self isolating at home like everyone else...

But unlike terrorist attacks, we can also predict the end of it.
 
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Re: Will Boeing and Airbus receive new orders this year?

Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:29 am

kb003cal wrote:
I believe will see deferred aircraft coming in the second quarter to save money. With losses mounting can airlines afford new narrow or wide body aircraft?
 
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Re: Will Boeing and Airbus received new orders this year?

Wed Mar 18, 2020 3:41 am

This event is going to set the airlines back years. I will not be surprised if many many many orders are deferred. Even when this passes it will take months or years for the airlines to ramp back up to where they were in 2019. They have a built in production line in storage as their capacity grows. Little need to pull one off Boeing or Airbus's production line with the costs associated with it.
 
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Re: Will Boeing and Airbus received new orders this year?

Wed Mar 18, 2020 7:10 am

Any airlines that do manage to find some funding / spare cash later this year could well find themselves snapping up 'lightly used' or new airframes (direct from the manufacturer) at rock bottom prices. It will be a buyers market and the savvy airliners (albeit ones that can find some spare dollars) will benefit from the pain of others

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