Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2020

SpaceshipDC10 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:25 pm

Exrampieyyz wrote:
AC2327 767-375 C-FPCA flying YYZ-MCI right now. Is this going to be parked or maybe just a extra section. AC2xxx flight numbers usually mean an extra section where AC7xxx usually mean a ferry flight. We'll see if it comes back

No it's joining other fleet members that were sent there.

77W C-FRAM is now on its way YVR-SIN.

Whiteguy · Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:00 pm

Exrampieyyz wrote:
AC2327 767-375 C-FPCA flying YYZ-MCI right now. Is this going to be parked or maybe just a extra section. AC2xxx flight numbers usually mean an extra section where AC7xxx usually mean a ferry flight. We'll see if it comes back

2xxx flight numbers are also being used for ferry flights.

Exrampieyyz · Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:59 pm

77W C-FRAM is now on its way YVR-SIN.

Oh dear Mr. Robert A. Milton's plane is going to storage! Used to be the pride of the (his) fleet.

chrisa330 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:00 pm

Exrampieyyz wrote:
77W C-FRAM is now on its way YVR-SIN.

Oh dear Mr. Robert A. Milton's plane is going to storage! Used to be the pride of the (his) fleet.

It’s probably going for heavy maintenance.

Dominion301 · Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:39 pm

Whiteguy wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
As for parked aircraft, someone told me that a few AC aircraft are parked at YOW, including the TCA 319.

TCA isn’t parked, it’s actively flying...

Like I said, I was going on anecdotal evidence. Maybe it was on an extended RON at YOW.

CXH · Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:06 pm

Are we discussing the Jazz fleet too in this thread?

Three Jazz Dash 8s (two Q400s + one -300) are headed to YQB right now (16:00 PT, 03April) with 7xxx flight numbers. I think Jazz usually uses 8xxx numbers. I guess they're parking some there.

https://flightaware.com/live/fleet/JZA

Exrampieyyz · Sat Apr 04, 2020 12:53 pm

Looks like a couple ferry flights right now

AC2325 B73M C-GEHI Fin#519 YYZ-MZL

QK7138 DH8D C-GGBF Fin#417 YHZ-YWG
QK7139 DH8D C-GGMU Fin#411 YHZ-YWG

YWG -15C there right now. Going into cold storage

SpaceshipDC10 · Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:08 pm

Sor far...

Mainline 767s

at YUL : C-FOCA

at YYZ : C-FTCA / C-GLCA

at MCI : C-FPCA / C-GHOZ

Rouge 767s

at MCI : C-FIYA / C-FMWQ / C-FMXC / C-GHLK / C-GHLT / C-GHLU / C-GHLV / C-GHPN / C-GSCA

at YYZ : C-FIYE / C-FMLZ / C-FMWP / C-FMWU / C-FMWV / C-GDUZ / C-GEOU / C-GHLQ / C-GHPE

at YUL : C-FJZK / C-FMLV / C-FMWY / C-GBZR /

at YVR : C-FXCA

at SNN : C-GEOQ

C-GHLA - unknown location

Airontario · Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:48 pm

CXH wrote:
I think Jazz usually uses 8xxx numbers. I guess they're parking some there.

https://flightaware.com/live/fleet/JZA

Yeah. Jazz flights for AC are all 8xxx, plus 78 x since the dissolution of Georgian. 70xx and 71xx are ferries or charters.

There were a few DH3s parked at T1 yesterday afternoon. If I remember correctly the only DH3 service left at YYZ is YSB (and I expect that to be axed sooner rather than later). I assume those will be leaving shortly. I'd assume YYB is the most likely location.

Dominion301 · Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:03 pm

Airontario wrote:
CXH wrote:
I think Jazz usually uses 8xxx numbers. I guess they're parking some there.

https://flightaware.com/live/fleet/JZA

Yeah. Jazz flights for AC are all 8xxx, plus 78 x since the dissolution of Georgian. 70xx and 71xx are ferries or charters.

There were a few DH3s parked at T1 yesterday afternoon. If I remember correctly the only DH3 service left at YYZ is YSB (and I expect that to be axed sooner rather than later). I assume those will be leaving shortly. I'd assume YYB is the most likely location.

YTS is still operational too. Means they’ll probably keep a pair of YYZ-based DH3s active.

northstardc4m · Sat Apr 04, 2020 10:04 pm

Dominion301 wrote:

YTS is still operational too. Means they’ll probably keep a pair of YYZ-based DH3s active.

They could easily combine the two as YYZ-YSB-YTS, they can't have enough load to need more than 25 seats to each, and the YSB stop is no detour off the normal YYZ-YTS non-stop routing. Add maybe 25-30 mins to the flight to YTS?

Dominion301 · Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:11 pm

northstardc4m wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:

YTS is still operational too. Means they’ll probably keep a pair of YYZ-based DH3s active.

They could easily combine the two as YYZ-YSB-YTS, they can't have enough load to need more than 25 seats to each, and the YSB stop is no detour off the normal YYZ-YTS non-stop routing. Add maybe 25-30 mins to the flight to YTS?

I’d hazard a guess that AC need the cargo space.

SpaceshipDC10 · Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:50 pm

chrisa330 wrote:
Exrampieyyz wrote:
77W C-FRAM is now on its way YVR-SIN.

Oh dear Mr. Robert A. Milton's plane is going to storage! Used to be the pride of the (his) fleet.

It’s probably going for heavy maintenance.

C-FNNQ is about to land at YVR back from SIN.

Exrampieyyz · Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:29 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
chrisa330 wrote:
Exrampieyyz wrote:
77W C-FRAM is now on its way YVR-SIN.

Oh dear Mr. Robert A. Milton's plane is going to storage! Used to be the pride of the (his) fleet.

It’s probably going for heavy maintenance.

C-FNNQ is about to land at YVR back from SIN.

Thanks, saw that too. Not many AC 777 flying today

beechnut · Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:18 pm

The Federal Government apparently contracted with both AC and CargoJet to bring N95 masks from China. I would expect that AC would assign a 77W to that task given its capacity.

Beech

fraT · Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:28 pm

There are currently 4 Rouge 767s in the air going to MZJ (Pinal Airpark, AZ).

SpaceshipDC10 · Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:40 pm

fraT wrote:
There are currently 4 Rouge 767s in the air going to MZJ (Pinal Airpark, AZ).

C-FXCA from YVR / C-GHLQ & C-FMWV from YYZ / C-FMWY from YUL as RV2365, 2369, 2371 & 2377 respectively.

ExMilitaryEng · Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:53 pm

beechnut wrote:
The Federal Government apparently contracted with both AC and CargoJet to bring N95 masks from China.

A special op friend (JTF-2) told me (while joking) that a few of his colleagues are assigned on each flight to ensure that no N95 crates are seized/diverted on the tarmac... (as in modern piracy...)

SpaceshipDC10 · Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:06 pm

A320 C-FDQQ & C-FPWE are on their way to MZJ from YYZ & YUL.

accargofra · Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:44 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
A320 C-FDQQ

one of the oldes A320 - MSN 068 still flying (!)
guess its her last flight

but: retirment earned after 30.5 years

Whiteguy · Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:42 pm

accargofra wrote:
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
A320 C-FDQQ

one of the oldes A320 - MSN 068 still flying (!)
guess its her last flight
but: retirment earned after 30.5 years

DQQ is MSN 59

SpaceshipDC10 · Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:48 pm

Whiteguy wrote:
accargofra wrote:
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
A320 C-FDQQ

one of the oldes A320 - MSN 068 still flying (!)
guess its her last flight
but: retirment earned after 30.5 years

DQQ is MSN 59

Indeed. It was Air Canada's very first A320 #201 delivered in January 1990. Originally, Ansett ordered it. How many hours and cycles has it logged in three decades?

SpaceshipDC10 · Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:24 pm

Rouge 767 C-GHPE and AC A320 C-FFWJ are enroute YYZ-MZJ.

billsalton92 · Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:36 am

accargofra wrote:
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
A320 C-FDQQ

one of the oldes A320 - MSN 068 still flying (!)
guess its her last flight
but: retirment earned after 30.5 years

Retirement or storage? AC stiII has both 201 and 402 on their FIN Numbers page, which generally gets updated as soon as an aircraft leaves the property for good. Both those frames flew to MZJ today. But 201 has held out against a few attempts at retirement so this could be true..

Bill

alexdelzotto · Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:09 am

billsalton92 wrote:
accargofra wrote:
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
A320 C-FDQQ

one of the oldes A320 - MSN 068 still flying (!)
guess its her last flight
but: retirment earned after 30.5 years

Retirement or storage? AC stiII has both 201 and 402 on their FIN Numbers page, which generally gets updated as soon as an aircraft leaves the property for good. Both those frames flew to MZJ today. But 201 has held out against a few attempts at retirement so this could be true..

Bill

Fin 201 is indeed being retired. Will not be returning.

ACA772LR · Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:12 am

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alexdelzotto wrote:
billsalton92 wrote:
accargofra wrote:

one of the oldes A320 - MSN 068 still flying (!)
guess its her last flight
but: retirment earned after 30.5 years

Retirement or storage? AC stiII has both 201 and 402 on their FIN Numbers page, which generally gets updated as soon as an aircraft leaves the property for good. Both those frames flew to MZJ today. But 201 has held out against a few attempts at retirement so this could be true..

Bill

Fin 201 is indeed being retired. Will not be returning.

Source?

sixtyseven · Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:10 pm

More airplanes headed to KRFD for storage as well.

danipawa · Tue Apr 07, 2020 2:11 pm

Airbus A320 -211 59 C-FDQQ Air Canada ferried 06apr20 YYZ-MZJ, for part-out & scrap (+ 150 C-FFWJ, + 175 C-FPWE) ex F-WWDI

https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=1

Cruiser · Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:11 pm

Was C-FDQQ one of the A320's that was parked earlier this year to preserve flighttime for the summer sked? I know they parked a few A320's as they were coming up on heavy checks, and they needed them for the summer with the MAX still being unable to fly.

northstardc4m · Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:57 pm

Cruiser wrote:
Was C-FDQQ one of the A320's that was parked earlier this year to preserve flighttime for the summer sked? I know they parked a few A320's as they were coming up on heavy checks, and they needed them for the summer with the MAX still being unable to fly.

Maybe, Fr24 shows her pretty active until recently... however there is about a month between Jan 9 and Feb 14 gap but in MLB? Doesn't line up with the others that were parked.

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billsalton92 · Tue Apr 07, 2020 4:50 pm

Cruiser wrote:
Was C-FDQQ one of the A320's that was parked earlier this year to preserve flighttime for the summer sked? I know they parked a few A320's as they were coming up on heavy checks, and they needed them for the summer with the MAX still being unable to fly.

Yes 201 and 402 were the 2 sent to Florida for a month.

fraT · Tue Apr 07, 2020 5:17 pm

As per Flightradar24.com, there are now two birds heading the opposite way. A737-Max going to YQG and a E190 going to YYZ.

SpaceshipDC10 · Tue Apr 07, 2020 5:28 pm

fraT wrote:
As per Flightradar24.com, there are now two birds heading the opposite way. A737-Max going to YQG and a E190 going to YYZ.

Is it to free-up space at MZJ for aircraft that won't come back in fleet?

chrisa330 · Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:07 pm

I think the E90 was sent down to pick up the crews that flew a bunch of aircraft down the last couple of days. It was on the ground in MZJ for less than an hour this morning.

Aircellist · Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:50 pm

AC's first A320 retired, after 30 years? Has it already been that long? I had contacts at the time, and I remember visiting that plane at YUL when it arrived; it smelled like a new car!

Skywatcher · Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:46 pm

I drove by YUL today. Very quiet. I saw around 25 AC & Rouge aircraft parked away from the terminal along with about 15 from Air Transat. At the terminal there were around 5 AC aircraft and one AF.

Aircellist · Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:37 pm

It is very quiet indeed. When I heard one airplane today, I ran out to see it! And it was a 732 (I knew from the sound!) coming from YHU.

… Forgot to mention that I live close to the path to 24L. Normally it was quite busy… up to sometime at the end of winter.

accargofra · Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:29 am

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
Whiteguy wrote:
accargofra wrote:

one of the oldes A320 - MSN 068 still flying (!)
guess its her last flight
but: retirment earned after 30.5 years

DQQ is MSN 59

Indeed. It was Air Canada's very first A320 #201 delivered in January 1990. Originally, Ansett ordered it. How many hours and cycles has it logged in three decades?

sorry - my typo error .. :!:

more than 92250+ hours and 39750+ cycles logged on that frame :thumbsup:

beechnut · Wed Apr 08, 2020 1:51 pm

Man I remember flying on those A320s when they were brand-new (and its predecessor 727s). It was the era I was travelling globally for work. Time flies! On one of my early flights, there was an Airbus technical team on board keeping an eye on things. I even got quite a few cockpit visits on them.

Turned out to be a great aircraft, and a great acquisition for AC, right up there with their DC-9s in longevity.

Beech

Exrampieyyz · Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:01 am

Wow a Dash 8-100 still flying right now

YQU-YYC C-GONY fin 827
Flown on it twice many years ago. Glad to see it still going

Also see that A320 in YRQ
C-FMSX fin 232
Also flew on this one twice

Dominion301 · Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:03 am

Exrampieyyz wrote:
Wow a Dash 8-100 still flying right now

YQU-YYC C-GONY fin 827
Flown on it twice many years ago. Glad to see it still going

Also see that A320 in YRQ
C-FMSX fin 232
Also flew on this one twice

YRQ = maintenance

Yep the sole remaining DH1 route is the currently 3x weekly YYC-YQU.

krisyyz · Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:07 am

C-FIVX (B77W) just left YMX for YYZ, according to FR24 its been at YMX since March 23rd. Any chance it’s being put back in service for the LHR flights?

KrisYYZ

Whiteguy · Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:03 am

krisyyz wrote:
C-FIVX (B77W) just left YMX for YYZ, according to FR24 its been at YMX since March 23rd. Any chance it’s being put back in service for the LHR flights?

KrisYYZ

It could be one of the aircraft having its seats removed to haul cargo over the next couple weeks. That may have been done in YMX.

SpaceshipDC10 · Thu Apr 09, 2020 11:20 am

Rouge 767 C-FJZK is on its way YUL-SNN where another, C-GEOQ, already is and might be flown back from in the next couple of days.

fraT · Thu Apr 09, 2020 11:21 am

There are now two Rouge 767s and one mainline 789 on their way to SNN.

sixtyseven · Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:36 pm

415, 219, 339 on the way to KMLB I imagine the EMJ is the crew shuttle.

airnorth · Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:49 pm

sixtyseven wrote:
415, 219, 339 on the way to KMLB I imagine the EMJ is the crew shuttle.

I couldn't find 415 on FR24, but I see C-FKCK Fin-220 also heading to KMLB right now.

https://www.flightradar24.com/ACA2359/24570779

This is the link for C-FKCK, this aircraft is 28 years old, S/N 0265

SpaceshipDC10 · Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:25 pm

Well, C-GEOQ is already crossing the Atlantic while C-GEOU is now heading south to MLB.

SpaceshipDC10 · Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:55 pm

beechnut wrote:
The Federal Government apparently contracted with both AC and CargoJet to bring N95 masks from China. I would expect that AC would assign a 77W to that task given its capacity.

Beech

There's a Cargojet 763F currently heading to PVG: https://www.flightradar24.com/CJT1391/24571766

Whiteguy · Thu Apr 09, 2020 11:16 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
beechnut wrote:
The Federal Government apparently contracted with both AC and CargoJet to bring N95 masks from China. I would expect that AC would assign a 77W to that task given its capacity.

Beech

There's a Cargojet 763F currently heading to PVG: https://www.flightradar24.com/CJT1391/24571766

There was one heading that way, or back, yesterday as well

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