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MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:05 pm

All remaining MDW flights have been cancelled. I'm hearing due to ATC issues.
 
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Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:11 pm

 
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:12 pm

Heard that 3 FAA controllers at MDW tested positive for COVID-19.
 
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:14 pm

MDW tower just advised that its airspace is now Class E, and advised aircraft to use the CTAF frequency 128.2.
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:18 pm

3 controllers have the covid.
 
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Tue Mar 17, 2020 10:24 pm

 
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:01 pm

Should be fun for those southwest pilots
 
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:03 pm

Looks like everything has stopped at MDW. All SWA flights cancelled into tomorrow.

So I guess no flying until tower can be up and running.
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:04 pm

MDW is a small facility.

Wait till it hits a center or large consolidated TRACON...
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:06 pm

It wasn’t even controllers, it was 3 tech support specialists.
 
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:09 pm

Gingersnap wrote:
Looks like everything has stopped at MDW. All SWA flights cancelled into tomorrow.

So I guess no flying until tower can be up and running.

Ah I was hoping they would just use non towered procedure and call their positions etc, now that would be something fun
 
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:19 pm

MDW 03/159 Aerodrome 03/17/2020 2246 03/20/2020 1300 SVC TWR CLSD CLASS D SERVICE NOT AVBL CTC CHICAGO APP AT 847-289-0926 2003172246-2003201300
Closed MDW 03/149 Aerodrome 03/18/2020 0300 03/18/2020 1100 RWY 04L/22R CLSD 2003180300-2003181100
Closed MDW 03/150 Aerodrome 03/18/2020 0300 03/18/2020 1100 RWY 04R/22L CLSD 2003180300-2003181100
Closed MDW 03/151 Aerodrome 03/18/2020 0300 03/18/2020 1100 RWY 13L/31R CLSD EXC TAX 2003180300-2003181100
Closed MDW 03/152 Aerodrome 03/18/2020 0300 03/18/2020 1100 RWY 13R/31L CLSD 2003180300-2003181100
Closed MDW 03/153 Aerodrome 03/18/2020 0300 03/18/2020 1100 TWY R CLSD 2003180300-2003181100
Closed MDW 03/154 Aerodrome 03/18/2020 0300 03/18/2020 1100 TWY Y6 CLSD 2003180300-2003181100
 
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:34 pm

Karlsands wrote:
Gingersnap wrote:
Looks like everything has stopped at MDW. All SWA flights cancelled into tomorrow.

So I guess no flying until tower can be up and running.

Ah I was hoping they would just use non towered procedure and call their positions etc, now that would be something fun


KLGA was uncontrolled at night during the PATCO strike. Planes were held either in or clear of the TCA and allowed into LGA Class E one at a time. Fun times to hold at RBV for an hour at midnight.
 
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:37 pm

The airfield is open as a non-towered airport with a CTAF, but scheduled ops are not really viable in this regime. Luckily the weather is VMC so GA can and are departing.
 
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:07 am

Here at MKE, seems our WN concourse if waaay too busy for what's going on right now. MDW diversions?
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:18 am

Skywest CR7 just departed to DTW and there are a few GA aircraft and a Volaris flight inbound. FAA is no longer reporting a ground stop. So either the fact that WN canceled and diverted all inbounds has made the FAA comfortable that the airport can operate nontowered for the rest of the night, or the tower has reopened with limited capabilities.
 
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:43 am

Reference MDW ATCT. MDW twr closes (ATC ZERO) due to confirmed corona virus. 5 positives between techs and controllers, right now it’s 3 techs and 2 controllers, 1 tech in serious condition. Awaiting more results. Hazmat team enroute. FAA is pushing for testing of all MDW ATCT employees.
 
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:53 am

bravoindia wrote:
Reference MDW ATCT. MDW twr closes (ATC ZERO) due to confirmed corona virus. 5 positives between techs and controllers, right now it’s 3 techs and 2 controllers, 1 tech in serious condition. Awaiting more results. Hazmat team enroute. FAA is pushing for testing of all MDW ATCT employees.


Source?
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:55 am

ATCtower wrote:
MDW is a small facility.

Wait till it hits a center or large consolidated TRACON...

It's larger than PDX or HNL so this is causing major impact.
 
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:00 am

FTMCPIUS wrote:
ATCtower wrote:
MDW is a small facility.

Wait till it hits a center or large consolidated TRACON...

It's larger than PDX or HNL so this is causing major impact.


The facility...i.e. the tower. Not the entire airport.
 
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:55 am

I was there tonight and saw it firsthand.

Passengers were rather docile because there were so few of them. The multiple re-ticket points had no more than 5 each in line.
 
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:41 am

drdisque wrote:
The airfield is open as a non-towered airport with a CTAF, but scheduled ops are not really viable in this regime. Luckily the weather is VMC so GA can and are departing.


MDW is in Class B airspace, just the 5nm radius around the airport is Class E. If the navaids can be remote monitored or crew monitored by the identifier, IFR Ops would be possible, if rather slow.

GF
 
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:46 am

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
drdisque wrote:
The airfield is open as a non-towered airport with a CTAF, but scheduled ops are not really viable in this regime. Luckily the weather is VMC so GA can and are departing.


MDW is in Class B airspace, just the 5nm radius around the airport is Class E. If the navaids can be remote monitored or crew monitored by the identifier, IFR Ops would be possible, if rather slow.

GF


Negative. MDW is Class C airspace, with overlying B.
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:01 am

ATCtower wrote:
bravoindia wrote:
Reference MDW ATCT. MDW twr closes (ATC ZERO) due to confirmed corona virus. 5 positives between techs and controllers, right now it’s 3 techs and 2 controllers, 1 tech in serious condition. Awaiting more results. Hazmat team enroute. FAA is pushing for testing of all MDW ATCT employees.


Source?

The source is me. Getting briefed by the FAA and NATCA. Being a controller at Atlanta Tracon and being a dues paying member these things happen. Is that credible enough?
 
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Wed Mar 18, 2020 4:44 am

bravoindia wrote:
ATCtower wrote:
bravoindia wrote:
Reference MDW ATCT. MDW twr closes (ATC ZERO) due to confirmed corona virus. 5 positives between techs and controllers, right now it’s 3 techs and 2 controllers, 1 tech in serious condition. Awaiting more results. Hazmat team enroute. FAA is pushing for testing of all MDW ATCT employees.


Source?

The source is me. Getting briefed by the FAA and NATCA. Being a controller at Atlanta Tracon and being a dues paying member these things happen. Is that credible enough?


Any estimate on when the tower will be online again? Have a LAX-MDW flight on Saturday.
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Wed Mar 18, 2020 5:05 am

bravoindia wrote:
ATCtower wrote:
bravoindia wrote:
Reference MDW ATCT. MDW twr closes (ATC ZERO) due to confirmed corona virus. 5 positives between techs and controllers, right now it’s 3 techs and 2 controllers, 1 tech in serious condition. Awaiting more results. Hazmat team enroute. FAA is pushing for testing of all MDW ATCT employees.


Source?

The source is me. Getting briefed by the FAA and NATCA. Being a controller at Atlanta Tracon and being a dues paying member these things happen. Is that credible enough?


Controllers have mandatory retirement at 56 years old, right? What's the retirement age for the techs?
 
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:08 am

bravoindia wrote:
ATCtower wrote:
bravoindia wrote:
Reference MDW ATCT. MDW twr closes (ATC ZERO) due to confirmed corona virus. 5 positives between techs and controllers, right now it’s 3 techs and 2 controllers, 1 tech in serious condition. Awaiting more results. Hazmat team enroute. FAA is pushing for testing of all MDW ATCT employees.


Source?

The source is me. Getting briefed by the FAA and NATCA. Being a controller at Atlanta Tracon and being a dues paying member these things happen. Is that credible enough?


As a dues paying member of the same union ‘being assured’ no controllers have tested positive, and generally believing the reactive nature of the agency is basically out to F you, and me, no. It isn’t enough, I mean unless since you’re at ATL you get a special briefing (I mean, we are a mere level 10) while the rest of us are being lied to, I want confirmation. I’m closer to Chicago than you are; does your facility garner better truth?
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:35 am

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3 controllers have the covid.

So what? They'll be fine in about 2 weeks.
The virus is here, it isn't going anywhere, welcome to the new reality.
Are we really going to shut down the global economy over this?
 
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Wed Mar 18, 2020 6:54 am

KFTG wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
3 controllers have the covid.

So what? They'll be fine in about 2 weeks.
The virus is here, it isn't going anywhere, welcome to the new reality.
Are we really going to shut down the global economy over this?


Starting to believe this as well. Would it be worth 2-3 months, absolutely. 12-18 months? There’s no way people can stand these measures for that long, regardless of the human toll, let alone the economic one.
 
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:19 pm

MDW is open with no ATC services.

FAA Ground Delay Program active with a 6 aircraft per hour arrival rate.

WN will operate 4 arrivals and 4 departures per hour on 3/18/20.

Only Runway 13C/31C is currently open.


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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:21 pm

FTMCPIUS wrote:
ATCtower wrote:
MDW is a small facility.

Wait till it hits a center or large consolidated TRACON...

It's larger than PDX or HNL so this is causing major impact.

MDW has roughly 25 CPCs and developmentals. My facility has more than 350. MDW being closed for a day or two does have an impact, but I certainly wouldn't call it major, not from a macro perspective. If (or probably when) this happens at a center or even a large TRACON, then you'll see a major impact. Chicago Center's closure after their fire a few years back and Washington Center's fume event two years ago had massive impacts on the NAS. ZDC or ZNY going ATC zero effectively cripples the east coast.

KFTG wrote:
So what? They'll be fine in about 2 weeks.
The virus is here, it isn't going anywhere, welcome to the new reality.
Are we really going to shut down the global economy over this?

Yeah! Controllers are forced to work without pay during a shutdown, so they may as well be forced to work through an illness that's killing people, right? Who really cares about the health and well-being of controllers, anyway? It's not like we do anything other than waive some wands around.

KFTG, this is just a suggestion, but I would recommend not making highly ignorant statements in the company of people who are actually affected by what you're talking about. I'll venture a guess and assume that you only have a basic knowledge of what we even do, so perhaps show a little more respect for the fact that we're going to work every day fully aware that we may potentially get sick from work and spread this to our families. It's not a "so what" thing when we can't telework or quarantine like many other jobs. We already know that this is our reality, but you don't need to be callous about it.

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As a dues paying member of the same union ‘being assured’ no controllers have tested positive, and generally believing the reactive nature of the agency is basically out to F you, and me, no. It isn’t enough, I mean unless since you’re at ATL you get a special briefing (I mean, we are a mere level 10) while the rest of us are being lied to, I want confirmation. I’m closer to Chicago than you are; does your facility garner better truth?

I'll settle this — I garner better truth because I'm at a level 12 (I'm kidding, obviously that doesn't matter). I have to admit that it's a little disconcerting that I haven't really received any info or guidance from the Agency on this. Maybe you guys have? The only communication I've received has been through the facrep, region, and national, but nothing from the Agency itself, not even the chief. I would like to assume that there's some sort of plan apart from putting up CDC flyers everywhere, but there probably isn't. I don't think I had been previously told that no one tested positive prior to yesterday, but I think we're probably all aware that this is going to happen at more and more facilities. We're in close quarters, we're all using the same equipment, we all have different hygiene standards.. I think for starters they need to send the developmentals and non essential folks home, not for their sake but for ours.

zippy wrote:
Controllers have mandatory retirement at 56 years old, right? What's the retirement age for the techs?

They don't get good time like we do, so their retirement is the same as any other federal employee.
 
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:33 pm

DiamondFlyer wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
drdisque wrote:
The airfield is open as a non-towered airport with a CTAF, but scheduled ops are not really viable in this regime. Luckily the weather is VMC so GA can and are departing.


MDW is in Class B airspace, just the 5nm radius around the airport is Class E. If the navaids can be remote monitored or crew monitored by the identifier, IFR Ops would be possible, if rather slow.

GF


Negative. MDW is Class C airspace, with overlying B.


Without an operational ATCT, it’s Class E
 
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:39 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
DiamondFlyer wrote:
Negative. MDW is Class C airspace, with overlying B.


Without an operational ATCT, it’s Class E

Correct. Which means one in/one out for IFR aircraft. Not particularly efficient.

It doesn't matter what the overlying airspace is — that doesn't change. It's the surface area that reverts to an E. Even a Class B surface area reverts to an E when it's nontowered.
 
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:06 pm

As noted above, that’s exactly how KLGA was worked during the PATCO strike outside of manned tower hours. Crew had to report parked before another arrival. Similarly, departures were fitted in the slow arrival stream. I can’t recall how they handled a VFR request.

Very much like how airports in Class G airspace that are under Class A airspace are run. Held in the Class A until the arrival classes their flight plan, then a cruise clearance issued to the lowest plane in the hold, everyone then is stepped down.

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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:46 pm

atcsundevil wrote:
KFTG wrote:
So what? They'll be fine in about 2 weeks.
The virus is here, it isn't going anywhere, welcome to the new reality.
Are we really going to shut down the global economy over this?

Yeah! Controllers are forced to work without pay during a shutdown, so they may as well be forced to work through an illness that's killing people, right? Who really cares about the health and well-being of controllers, anyway? It's not like we do anything other than waive some wands around.

Enough with the sensationalism and personal attacks (yes, you did, by insinuating I didn't know what the ATC system does, which is ignorant to suggest). Statistically speaking, everyone is going to get this virus. Statistically speaking, everyone is going to recover from this virus. Embrace it. The cat is out of the bag. The show must go on. We will endure, if we choose to.

If it comes down to it, the ATC system MUST be maintained. If it means removing civilian controllers from the facilities and replacing them with military controllers, so be it. The ATC system is critical national security infrastructure.
 
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:48 pm

KFTG wrote:
atcsundevil wrote:
KFTG wrote:
So what? They'll be fine in about 2 weeks.
The virus is here, it isn't going anywhere, welcome to the new reality.
Are we really going to shut down the global economy over this?

Yeah! Controllers are forced to work without pay during a shutdown, so they may as well be forced to work through an illness that's killing people, right? Who really cares about the health and well-being of controllers, anyway? It's not like we do anything other than waive some wands around.

Enough with the sensationalism and personal attacks (yes, you did, by insinuating I didn't know what the ATC system does, which is ignorant to suggest). Statistically speaking, everyone is going to get this virus. Statistically speaking, everyone is going to recover from this virus. Embrace it. The cat is out of the bag. The show must go on. We will endure, if we choose to.

If it comes down to it, the ATC system MUST be maintained. If it means removing civilian controllers from the facilities and replacing them with military controllers, so be it. The ATC system is critical national security infrastructure.


You’re delusional dude.
 
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:56 pm

ATCJesus wrote:
KFTG wrote:
atcsundevil wrote:
Yeah! Controllers are forced to work without pay during a shutdown, so they may as well be forced to work through an illness that's killing people, right? Who really cares about the health and well-being of controllers, anyway? It's not like we do anything other than waive some wands around.

Enough with the sensationalism and personal attacks (yes, you did, by insinuating I didn't know what the ATC system does, which is ignorant to suggest). Statistically speaking, everyone is going to get this virus. Statistically speaking, everyone is going to recover from this virus. Embrace it. The cat is out of the bag. The show must go on. We will endure, if we choose to.

If it comes down to it, the ATC system MUST be maintained. If it means removing civilian controllers from the facilities and replacing them with military controllers, so be it. The ATC system is critical national security infrastructure.


You’re delusional dude.

Is everyone in Wuhan dead?
 
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:26 pm

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Is everyone in Wuhan dead?


Wuhan had a martial law type lock down and it worked after 3k people died. Italy did not have a lockdown until one week ago and has a ~8% case fatality rate. People who think we can just let everyone get infected and get over it do not understand what happens when the health care system is overwhelmed. Do you want it to be you when a doctor chooses not to give you the ventilator because you have a lower chance of survival than the person next to you? I can not even imagine what would happen if we let this virus rage unabated. The death toll would be in the 10s to 100s of millions. What would the economic toll of that be, not to mention a devastated world health care system?

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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:34 pm

KFTG wrote:
Enough with the sensationalism and personal attacks (yes, you did, by insinuating I didn't know what the ATC system does, which is ignorant to suggest). Statistically speaking, everyone is going to get this virus. Statistically speaking, everyone is going to recover from this virus. Embrace it. The cat is out of the bag. The show must go on. We will endure, if we choose to.

If it comes down to it, the ATC system MUST be maintained. If it means removing civilian controllers from the facilities and replacing them with military controllers, so be it. The ATC system is critical national security infrastructure.

I wasn't being sensationalist, I was being sarcastic. Even if I was being sensationalist, it was to counterbalance your extremely flippant response of "so what?" It was no less of a personal attack than your obvious disregard for people's well-being. No, not everyone will get the virus, and no, not everyone will recover. But enough people will get it, and people will die, which is why this is concerning for people who can't social distance and share equipment that can be easily contaminated.

It wasn't ignorant to suggest that you have anything more than a basic knowledge of ATC when that's obviously the case. Your suggestion of bringing in military controllers is clear evidence, because that simply isn't how this works. The average certification time at a level 12 center is about 2.5 years. You can't just bring in pinch hitters with no certification on those sectors. The liability alone would be insurmountable. Not that it would even be necessary.

The ATC system should be maintained, and I never implied otherwise. Some empathy for the thousands of controllers going to work despite the risk might look good on you. MDW and LAS are the first two of likely many facilities to be affected, and there's no simple solution here.

KFTG wrote:
We will endure, if we choose to.

Yes, we will.
 
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:44 am

KFTG wrote:
atcsundevil wrote:
KFTG wrote:
So what? They'll be fine in about 2 weeks.
The virus is here, it isn't going anywhere, welcome to the new reality.
Are we really going to shut down the global economy over this?

Yeah! Controllers are forced to work without pay during a shutdown, so they may as well be forced to work through an illness that's killing people, right? Who really cares about the health and well-being of controllers, anyway? It's not like we do anything other than waive some wands around.

Enough with the sensationalism and personal attacks (yes, you did, by insinuating I didn't know what the ATC system does, which is ignorant to suggest). Statistically speaking, everyone is going to get this virus. Statistically speaking, everyone is going to recover from this virus. Embrace it. The cat is out of the bag. The show must go on. We will endure, if we choose to.

If it comes down to it, the ATC system MUST be maintained. If it means removing civilian controllers from the facilities and replacing them with military controllers, so be it. The ATC system is critical national security infrastructure.


Military controllers are military controllers and they stay that way until they are hired as civilians and then are trained to actually work civilian air traffic.
 
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:47 am

bravoindia wrote:
KFTG wrote:
atcsundevil wrote:
Yeah! Controllers are forced to work without pay during a shutdown, so they may as well be forced to work through an illness that's killing people, right? Who really cares about the health and well-being of controllers, anyway? It's not like we do anything other than waive some wands around.

Enough with the sensationalism and personal attacks (yes, you did, by insinuating I didn't know what the ATC system does, which is ignorant to suggest). Statistically speaking, everyone is going to get this virus. Statistically speaking, everyone is going to recover from this virus. Embrace it. The cat is out of the bag. The show must go on. We will endure, if we choose to.

If it comes down to it, the ATC system MUST be maintained. If it means removing civilian controllers from the facilities and replacing them with military controllers, so be it. The ATC system is critical national security infrastructure.


Military controllers are military controllers and they stay that way until they are hired as civilians and then are trained to actually work civilian air traffic.

What military controllers? We basically are the military controllers. The military just does some of their bases(not all). We do everything else.
 
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:59 am

32andBelow wrote:
bravoindia wrote:
KFTG wrote:
Enough with the sensationalism and personal attacks (yes, you did, by insinuating I didn't know what the ATC system does, which is ignorant to suggest). Statistically speaking, everyone is going to get this virus. Statistically speaking, everyone is going to recover from this virus. Embrace it. The cat is out of the bag. The show must go on. We will endure, if we choose to.

If it comes down to it, the ATC system MUST be maintained. If it means removing civilian controllers from the facilities and replacing them with military controllers, so be it. The ATC system is critical national security infrastructure.


Military controllers are military controllers and they stay that way until they are hired as civilians and then are trained to actually work civilian air traffic.

What military controllers? We basically are the military controllers. The military just does some of their bases(not all). We do everything else.



Military doesn’t even work any ERAM equipment do they? They’d be SOL in a center.
 
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Fri Mar 20, 2020 3:12 am

ATCJesus wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
bravoindia wrote:

Military controllers are military controllers and they stay that way until they are hired as civilians and then are trained to actually work civilian air traffic.

What military controllers? We basically are the military controllers. The military just does some of their bases(not all). We do everything else.



Military doesn’t even work any ERAM equipment do they? They’d be SOL in a center.

Nope. ERAM is FAA only. It takes at least a couple of days to learn!
 
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Re: MDW ATC Shutdown 3/17/2020

Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:38 pm

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