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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:18 pm

AndoAv8R wrote:
Does anyone know how long Delta plans on running the A220 for the DEN-SLC routes? I see right now its 3 times a day, hoping this will continue through July so I can get a day trip to SLC to get photos of the old concourses before they are gone and a get a ride on a 220.

Also is it still the schedule to close the old concourses at SLC and move over to the new one in September?


The new concourse/terminal opens end of September. And yes the entire old terminal will close and the new operation will shift to the new one. Sounds like almost overnight is the plan.
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:33 pm

Cross-posting, but this is good:

The 4 remaining A359s in storage are now scheduled to leave BYH on Friday & Saturday. It appears all A359s will now be active.
https://flightaware.com/live/airport/KBYH/scheduled
2 BYH-DTW on Friday
2 BYH-MSP on Saturday

Supposedly going back for maintenance, not returning to service yet.

2 A321s and 1 B739 were ferried out of storage from MCI today and returning to service too.
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:47 pm

HNLSLCPDX wrote:
Interesting. It makes me think that CVG at this point going forward is simply a spoke with service to only the DL hubs. I don’t think CVG will even hold focus city status going forward. Hopefully RDU can come back to some level of a focus city. It’s a growing market with a lot of potential. Same with AUS, be nice to have DL with a larger Texas presence.


I think CVG will keep service to SEA, LAX, SLC, MSP, DTW, MCO, ATL, DCA, LGA, JFK, BOS, and probably CUN and CDG internationally. SFO, LAS, PHX (seasonally), DFW, ORD, FLL, RSW, and TPA could come back too depending on how demand recovers. Markets like DEN, IAH, MCI, STL, CLT, RDU, BWI, PHL, EWR, and BDL are most at risk, IMO.
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:35 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Based on Flightaware data from yesterday Wed 6/3, here are the stats for DTW

CRJ2 26
CRJ9 43
E75S 6
BCS1 5
A319 9
B738 7
B739 9
A321 15
B763 2
A359 1
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Total 123

Delta - Cargo/Ferry/Mil. Charter 3
A359 2
CRJ2 1

By Destination:
Total 123
Albany Intl (KALB) 2
Alpena County Rgnl (KAPN) 1
Amsterdam Schiphol (AMS / EHAM) 1
Appleton Intl (KATW) 1
Austin-Bergstrom Intl (KAUS) 1
Baltimore/Washington Intl (KBWI) 1
Bangor Intl (KBGR) 1
Binghamton (KBGM) 1
Blue Grass (KLEX) 1
Boston Logan Intl (KBOS) 3
Bradley Intl (KBDL) 2
Buffalo Niagara Intl (KBUF) 2
Burlington Intl (KBTV) 1
Capital Region Intl (KLAN) 1
Charlotte/Douglas Intl (KCLT) 2
Cherry Capital (KTVC) 1
Chicago O'Hare Intl (KORD) 2
Chippewa County Intl (KCIU) 1
Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport (KCVG) 2
Cleveland-Hopkins Intl (KCLE) 2
Dallas-Fort Worth Intl (KDFW) 1
Dane Co Rgnl (KMSN) 1
Delta County (KESC) 1
Denver Intl (KDEN) 1
Des Moines Intl (KDSM) 1
Elmira/Corning Rgnl (KELM) 1
Erie Intl/Tom Ridge Field (KERI) 1
Evansville Rgnl (KEVV) 1
Ford (KIMT) 1
Fort Lauderdale Intl (KFLL) 2
Fort Wayne Intl (KFWA) 1
Gerald R Ford Intl (KGRR) 2
Greater Rochester Intl (KROC) 2
Green Bay-Austin Straubel Intl (KGRB) 1
Harrisburg Intl (KMDT) 1
Hartsfield-Jackson Intl (KATL) 5
Houston Bush Int'ctl (KIAH) 1
Incheon Int'l (ICN / RKSI) 1
Indianapolis Intl (KIND) 2
Ithaca Tompkins Rgnl (KITH) 1
James M Cox Dayton Intl (KDAY) 2
John F Kennedy Intl (KJFK) 2
John Glenn Columbus Intl Airport (KCMH) 2
Kalamazoo/Battle Creek Intl (KAZO) 1
Kansas City Intl (KMCI) 1
LaGuardia (KLGA) 3
Lehigh Valley Intl (KABE) 1
Los Angeles Intl (KLAX) 3
MBS Intl (KMBS) 1
McCarran Intl (KLAS) 1
McGhee Tyson (KTYS) 1
Miami Intl (KMIA) 1
Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) 3
Montreal-Trudeau (CYUL) 1
Muhammad Ali Intl (KSDF) 1
Nashville Intl (KBNA) 1
Newark Liberty Intl (KEWR) 1
Norfolk Intl (KORF) 2
Orlando Intl (KMCO) 2
Ottawa Macdonald-Cartier Int'l (CYOW) 1
Pellston Rgnl (KPLN) 1
Philadelphia Intl (KPHL) 1
Phoenix Sky Harbor Intl (KPHX) 2
Pittsburgh Intl (KPIT) 2
Portland Intl Jetport (KPWM) 1
Raleigh-Durham Intl (KRDU) 2
Reagan National (KDCA) 2
Salt Lake City Intl (KSLC) 4
San Diego Intl (KSAN) 1
San Francisco Intl (KSFO) 1
Sawyer Intl (KSAW) 1
Scranton Intl (KAVP) 1
Seattle-Tacoma Intl (KSEA) 3
South Bend Intl (KSBN) 1
Southwest Florida Intl (KRSW) 2
St Louis Lambert Intl (KSTL) 1
Syracuse Hancock Intl (KSYR) 2
Tampa Intl (KTPA) 2
Toronto Pearson Int'l (CYYZ) 2
University Park Airport (KUNV) 1
Washington Dulles Intl (KIAD) 2

Delta - Cargo/Ferry/Mil. Charter 3
Detroit Metro Wayne Co (KDTW) 1
Incheon Int'l (ICN / RKSI) 1
Moody Afb (KVAD) 1

Compared to peak summer 2019 here:
viewtopic.php?t=1420613
DTW

CR2: 86
CR7: 52
E70: 6
CR9: 113
717: 33
221: 7
319: 28
320: 24
738: 2
739: 28
321: 38
752: 21
753: 6
763: 6
764: 1
332: 2
333: 3
359: 5

Total = 461
44.2 % mainline



What I really find encouraging about this is that DTW is now 50% of what ATL is, where a year ago it was less that 50% of the ATL operations.
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:01 pm

Here are some interesting stats. Below are numbers of total job losses between April 19 and April 20 by metro area. The percentage represents the percent of jobs lost of the total in that time frame. So the 9.4% next to Atlanta means Greater Atlanta lost 9.4% of the jobs it had in April 2019 between then and April 2020:

-58,900 Salt Lake City -7.8%
-267,200 Atlanta -9.4%
-271,100 Minneapolis -13.4%
-301,600 Seattle -14.5%
-916,200 Los Angeles -14.7%
-164,900 Cincinnati -14.8%
-467,700 Boston -16.7%
-1,949,600 New York -19.6%
-497,100 Detroit -24.5%

Im sure the numbers in CA and NY have a great deal to do with their shutdowns and how hard NYC was hit by COVID.
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:59 am

HVNandrew wrote:
HNLSLCPDX wrote:
deltairlines wrote:

Out of the tertiary hubs/focus cities (BOS, RDU, MCO, CVG, AUS, etc.), in the July schedule BOS is the only city getting flights to non-hubs back, with FLL, MCO and TPA coming back online, in addition to bringing back SLC, SEA and LAX. All the others are only getting flights to primary hubs (ATL, MSP, DTW for the most part). Come July, Delta will be back to around 30 flights/day...only the other hubs have more service than that.

Me reading between the lines (having worked at DL for eight years at the corporate level) is that of the focus cities to survive, BOS is the favorite child. It also doesn't hurt of all those cities that BOS (as of now) has scheduled VS, KL and AF services to LHR, AMS and CDG that are de-facto DL flights due to the JV.


Interesting. It makes me think that CVG at this point going forward is simply a spoke with service to only the DL hubs. I don’t think CVG will even hold focus city status going forward. Hopefully RDU can come back to some level of a focus city. It’s a growing market with a lot of potential. Same with AUS, be nice to have DL with a larger Texas presence.

AUS shouldn't be that hard to build back up - it only ever had service to DL's hubs and focus cities, there were no other P2P routes.

For RDU and CVG, most of that traffic was driven by business demand; as long as that remains depressed, I think that so will service to those cities. I see RDU eventually expanding again long-term as the economy and business traffic rebound; CVG may expand as well, as eventually that business traffic will be there to serve again, though to what level I'm not sure.

:checkmark: exactly, it's not rocket science. If the demand returns and is there, it'll fly. Otherwise not.
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Fri Jun 05, 2020 12:55 pm

Deltran757 wrote:
nwadeicer wrote:
Deltran757 wrote:

I know forsure for us 125 department but I can’t speak for 120 or 118. So many ACS above wing agents took the 3 to 6 months leave. July will be a struggle for us if many don’t come back.

I was told 120 got the same “back to work” email as well.


Delta is currently calling ACS agents here in Atlanta if they are willing to return to work. Right now it’s an option. I have a F/A friend who I talked to yesterday. She is on leave and is schedule to return in September. She got a call to see if she wanted to return in August.


I find that hard to believe from the FA side. They are still begging FA's to extend or take new leaves. Deadlines keep being extended to put in for one and the communication has been PLEASE TAKE A LEAVE, PLEASE EXTEND, PLEASE RETIRE.
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Fri Jun 05, 2020 2:08 pm

twicearound wrote:
Deltran757 wrote:
nwadeicer wrote:
I was told 120 got the same “back to work” email as well.


Delta is currently calling ACS agents here in Atlanta if they are willing to return to work. Right now it’s an option. I have a F/A friend who I talked to yesterday. She is on leave and is schedule to return in September. She got a call to see if she wanted to return in August.


I find that hard to believe from the FA side. They are still begging FA's to extend or take new leaves. Deadlines keep being extended to put in for one and the communication has been PLEASE TAKE A LEAVE, PLEASE EXTEND, PLEASE RETIRE.


Only speaking from what’s happening here in Atlanta. That can be true in other bases. But I’m not a F/A so I’m not sure, but she confirm that she is coming back in August instead of September.
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Fri Jun 05, 2020 2:51 pm

I believe ACS agents in MSP are being asked to return from leave as well.

Separately, for those having trouble changing reservations: If it works for you, come out to the airport! There are still real people at the counters.
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Fri Jun 05, 2020 2:54 pm

Can anyone tell me if the 60% cap is being applied to international or just domestic?

Need to know for vacation planning.

Thanks
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Fri Jun 05, 2020 3:52 pm

global1 wrote:
Can anyone tell me if the 60% cap is being applied to international or just domestic?

Need to know for vacation planning.

Thanks


Believe it is global. They've also announced the Delta One cap.
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Fri Jun 05, 2020 5:09 pm

Based on Flightaware data from yesterday Wed 6/3, here are the stats for MSP

Delta - Scheduled Total 93
CRJ2 11
CRJ9 28
E75L 17
BCS1 4
A319 8
B738 8
B739 4
A321 11
B752 2

Delta - Non Scheduled/Ferry/Cargo 2
A333 1
B752 1
Grand Total 95

Delta 93
Aberdeen Rgnl (KABR) 1
Appleton Intl (KATW) 1
Austin-Bergstrom Intl (KAUS) 1
Baltimore/Washington Intl (KBWI) 1
Bemidji Rgnl (KBJI) 1
Bismarck Muni (KBIS) 2
Boston Logan Intl (KBOS) 1
Bradley Intl (KBDL) 1
Brainerd Lakes Rgnl (KBRD) 1
Calgary Int'l (CYYC) 1
Central Wisconsin (KCWA) 1
Chicago O'Hare Intl (KORD) 2
Chippewa County Intl (KCIU) 1
Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport (KCVG) 2
Cleveland-Hopkins Intl (KCLE) 1
Dallas-Fort Worth Intl (KDFW) 2
Dane Co Rgnl (KMSN) 1
Denver Intl (KDEN) 1
Des Moines Intl (KDSM) 2
Detroit Metro Wayne Co (KDTW) 3
Duluth Intl (KDLH) 1
Edmonton Int'l (CYEG) 1
Eppley Airfield (KOMA) 2
Falls Intl-Einarson Field (KINL) 1
Ford (KIMT) 1
Fort Lauderdale Intl (KFLL) 1
Grand Forks Intl (KGFK) 1
Hartsfield-Jackson Intl (KATL) 5
Hector Intl (KFAR) 2
Houston Bush Int'ctl (KIAH) 1
Indianapolis Intl (KIND) 1
Joe Foss Field (KFSD) 2
John F Kennedy Intl (KJFK) 1
John Glenn Columbus Intl Airport (KCMH) 1
Kansas City Intl (KMCI) 2
La Crosse Rgnl (KLSE) 1
LaGuardia (KLGA) 2
Lincoln (KLNK) 1
Los Angeles Intl (KLAX) 3
McCarran Intl (KLAS) 1
Milwaukee Mitchell Intl Airport (KMKE) 2
Minot Intl (KMOT) 2
Nashville Intl (KBNA) 1
Newark Liberty Intl (KEWR) 1
Orlando Intl (KMCO) 1
Philadelphia Intl (KPHL) 1
Phoenix Sky Harbor Intl (KPHX) 1
Pittsburgh Intl (KPIT) 1
Portland Intl (KPDX) 1
Raleigh-Durham Intl (KRDU) 1
Range Rgnl (KHIB) 1
Rapid City Rgnl (KRAP) 2
Reagan National (KDCA) 2
Rhinelander-Oneida County (KRHI) 1
Salt Lake City Intl (KSLC) 4
San Antonio Intl (KSAT) 1
San Diego Intl (KSAN) 1
San Francisco Intl (KSFO) 1
Seattle-Tacoma Intl (KSEA) 2
Southwest Florida Intl (KRSW) 1
Tampa Intl (KTPA) 1
The Eastern Iowa (KCID) 1
Washington Dulles Intl (KIAD) 1
Will Rogers World (KOKC) 2
Williston Basin International Airport (KXWA) 1
Winnipeg Int'l (CYWG) 1

Delta - Non Scheduled/Ferry/Cargo 2
Detroit Metro Wayne Co (KDTW) 1
Hartsfield-Jackson Intl (KATL) 1
Grand Total 95
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Fri Jun 05, 2020 5:12 pm

Based on Flightaware data from yesterday Wed 6/3, here are the stats for SLC

Delta - Scheduled Total 116
CRJ2 12
CRJ7 2
CRJ9 2
E75L/S 41
BCS1 18
A319 10
B738 13
B739 2
A321 9
B752 7

Delta - Non Scheduled/Ferry/Cargo 3
CRJ2 1
B739 1
B752 1
Grand Total 119

Delta 116
Albuquerque Intl Sunport (KABQ) 1
Aspen-Pitkin County (KASE) 1
Austin-Bergstrom Intl (KAUS) 1
Bert Mooney (KBTM) 1
Billings Logan Intl (KBIL) 2
Boston Logan Intl (KBOS) 1
Bozeman Yellowstone Intl (KBZN) 2
Casper/Natrona County Intl (KCPR) 1
Chicago O'Hare Intl (KORD) 1
Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport (KCVG) 1
Colorado Sprgs Muni (KCOS) 2
Dallas-Fort Worth Intl (KDFW) 2
Denver Intl (KDEN) 3
Detroit Metro Wayne Co (KDTW) 4
Elko Rgnl (KEKO) 1
Eppley Airfield (KOMA) 1
Fresno Yosemite Intl (KFAT) 2
Friedman Memorial (KSUN) 1
Glacier Park Intl (KGPI) 2
Gowen Field (KBOI) 4
Grand Junction Regional (KGJT) 1
Great Falls Intl (KGTF) 1
Hartsfield-Jackson Intl (KATL) 5
Helena Rgnl (KHLN) 1
Houston Bush Int'ctl (KIAH) 1
Idaho Falls Rgnl (KIDA) 2
Jackson Hole (KJAC) 1
John F Kennedy Intl (KJFK) 2
John Wayne (KSNA) 3
Kansas City Intl (KMCI) 1
Lewiston-Nez Perce County (KLWS) 1
Lic. Benito Juarez Int'l (MEX / MMMX) 1
Los Angeles Intl (KLAX) 3
Magic Valley Rgnl (KTWF) 1
Mahlon Sweet Field (KEUG) 1
McCarran Intl (KLAS) 2
Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) 4
Missoula Intl (KMSO) 2
Ontario Intl (KONT) 3
Palm Springs Intl (KPSP) 1
Phoenix Sky Harbor Intl (KPHX) 3
Pocatello Rgnl (KPIH) 1
Portland Intl (KPDX) 4
Reno/Tahoe Intl (KRNO) 2
Roberts Field (KRDM) 1
Rogue Valley Intl (KMFR) 1
Sacramento Intl (KSMF) 3
Salt Lake City Intl (KSLC) 1
San Antonio Intl (KSAT) 2
San Diego Intl (KSAN) 3
San Francisco Intl (KSFO) 3
San Jose Int'l (KSJC) 3
Santa Barbara Muni (KSBA) 1
Seattle-Tacoma Intl (KSEA) 3
Spokane Intl (KGEG) 3
St George Rgnl (KSGU) 2
St Louis Lambert Intl (KSTL) 1
Tri-Cities (KPSC) 2
Tucson Intl (KTUS) 2
Tulsa Intl (KTUL) 1
Will Rogers World (KOKC) 1
Yellowstone Rgnl (KCOD) 1
Yellowstone (KWYS) 1

Delta - Non Scheduled/Ferry/Cargo 3
Denver Intl (KDEN) 1
Hartsfield-Jackson Intl (KATL) 1
March Arb (KRIV) 1
Grand Total 119
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Fri Jun 05, 2020 5:14 pm

An for fun, Based on Flightaware data from yesterday Wed 6/3, here are the stats for LGA

Delta 21

CRJ9 2
E75S 6
BCS1 6
A319 3
A321 4

Grand Total 21

Boston Logan Intl (KBOS) 3
Chicago O'Hare Intl (KORD) 2
Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport (KCVG) 1
Dallas-Fort Worth Intl (KDFW) 1
Detroit Metro Wayne Co (KDTW) 3
Hartsfield-Jackson Intl (KATL) 5
Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) 2
Nashville Intl (KBNA) 1
Raleigh-Durham Intl (KRDU) 1
Reagan National (KDCA) 2
Grand Total 21
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Fri Jun 05, 2020 5:15 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Based on Flightaware data from yesterday Wed 6/3, here are the stats for SLC

Delta - Scheduled Total 116
CRJ2 12
CRJ7 2
CRJ9 2
E75L/S 41
BCS1 18
A319 10
B738 13
B739 2
A321 9
B752 7

Delta - Non Scheduled/Ferry/Cargo 3
CRJ2 1
B739 1
B752 1
Grand Total 119

Delta 116
Albuquerque Intl Sunport (KABQ) 1
Aspen-Pitkin County (KASE) 1
Austin-Bergstrom Intl (KAUS) 1
Bert Mooney (KBTM) 1
Billings Logan Intl (KBIL) 2
Boston Logan Intl (KBOS) 1
Bozeman Yellowstone Intl (KBZN) 2
Casper/Natrona County Intl (KCPR) 1
Chicago O'Hare Intl (KORD) 1
Cincinnati/Northern Kentucky International Airport (KCVG) 1
Colorado Sprgs Muni (KCOS) 2
Dallas-Fort Worth Intl (KDFW) 2
Denver Intl (KDEN) 3
Detroit Metro Wayne Co (KDTW) 4
Elko Rgnl (KEKO) 1
Eppley Airfield (KOMA) 1
Fresno Yosemite Intl (KFAT) 2
Friedman Memorial (KSUN) 1
Glacier Park Intl (KGPI) 2
Gowen Field (KBOI) 4
Grand Junction Regional (KGJT) 1
Great Falls Intl (KGTF) 1
Hartsfield-Jackson Intl (KATL) 5
Helena Rgnl (KHLN) 1
Houston Bush Int'ctl (KIAH) 1
Idaho Falls Rgnl (KIDA) 2
Jackson Hole (KJAC) 1
John F Kennedy Intl (KJFK) 2
John Wayne (KSNA) 3
Kansas City Intl (KMCI) 1
Lewiston-Nez Perce County (KLWS) 1
Lic. Benito Juarez Int'l (MEX / MMMX) 1
Los Angeles Intl (KLAX) 3
Magic Valley Rgnl (KTWF) 1
Mahlon Sweet Field (KEUG) 1
McCarran Intl (KLAS) 2
Minneapolis/St Paul Intl (KMSP) 4
Missoula Intl (KMSO) 2
Ontario Intl (KONT) 3
Palm Springs Intl (KPSP) 1
Phoenix Sky Harbor Intl (KPHX) 3
Pocatello Rgnl (KPIH) 1
Portland Intl (KPDX) 4
Reno/Tahoe Intl (KRNO) 2
Roberts Field (KRDM) 1
Rogue Valley Intl (KMFR) 1
Sacramento Intl (KSMF) 3
Salt Lake City Intl (KSLC) 1
San Antonio Intl (KSAT) 2
San Diego Intl (KSAN) 3
San Francisco Intl (KSFO) 3
San Jose Int'l (KSJC) 3
Santa Barbara Muni (KSBA) 1
Seattle-Tacoma Intl (KSEA) 3
Spokane Intl (KGEG) 3
St George Rgnl (KSGU) 2
St Louis Lambert Intl (KSTL) 1
Tri-Cities (KPSC) 2
Tucson Intl (KTUS) 2
Tulsa Intl (KTUL) 1
Will Rogers World (KOKC) 1
Yellowstone Rgnl (KCOD) 1
Yellowstone (KWYS) 1

Delta - Non Scheduled/Ferry/Cargo 3
Denver Intl (KDEN) 1
Hartsfield-Jackson Intl (KATL) 1
March Arb (KRIV) 1
Grand Total 119



Thank you for taking the time to share this data.
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Fri Jun 05, 2020 5:17 pm

Summary of departures by equipment type on Wednesday June 3, 2020

ATL:

CRJ2 26
CRJ9 26
E75S 3
B712 84
B737 2
A319 13
B738 30
B739 9
A321 30
B752 20
A333 3

Total: 246

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DTW

CRJ2 26
CRJ9 43
E75S 6
BCS1 5
A319 9
B738 7
B739 9
A321 15
B763 2
A359 1

Total 123

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MSP

CRJ2 11
CRJ9 28
E75L 17
BCS1 4
A319 8
B738 8
B739 4
A321 11
B752 2

Total 93

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SLC

CRJ2 12
CRJ7 2
CRJ9 2
E75L/S 41
BCS1 18
A319 10
B738 13
B739 2
A321 9
B752 7

Total 116

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LGA

CRJ9 2
E75S 6
BCS1 6
A319 3
A321 4

Total 21
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Fri Jun 05, 2020 5:30 pm

Thanks for the hard work. It's interesting that SLC is getting so much love here vs MSP.
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Fri Jun 05, 2020 5:52 pm

Part of the reason is to how they have "regionalized" their network around the core hubs. DL cut a lot of long-thin hub overflying route from ATL/DTW/MSP but has kept connectivity over SLC. Markets like SNA, SLC, OAK, ONT, ABQ, BOI.

Also to some extent, Mountain West wasn't hit as hard initially, earlier to open-up, and as Ed mentioned earlier this week seen proportionally stronger demand recovery (in the same sentence as Florida).
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:38 pm

DL is suspending service to the following stations starting 7/8:

ASE
BGR
ERI
FNT
FSM
LNK
EWN
PIA
SBA
AVP
XWA
YOW (eff. June 21)
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:55 pm

AZORMP wrote:
DL is suspending service to the following stations starting 7/8:

ASE
BGR
ERI
FNT
FSM
LNK
EWN
PIA
SBA
AVP
XWA
YOW (eff. June 21)

Almost entirely RJ routes. Interesting.
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Fri Jun 05, 2020 8:59 pm

AZORMP wrote:
DL is suspending service to the following stations starting 7/8:

ASE
BGR
ERI
FNT
FSM
LNK
EWN
PIA
SBA
AVP
XWA
YOW (eff. June 21)



FNT is still available for booking deep into July.
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Fri Jun 05, 2020 9:37 pm

This was in the response to the DOT waiver for ability to request to drop service to up to 5% of the cities (or something like that) per CARES act.
The general reasons for requesting exemption were extremely low demand and/or high cost to maintain service to the market, and/or ability to serve via nearby airports.

It was in the DOT filing request, press release just came out today, effective July 8th. Changes should be reflected in this week's schedule update that runs Saturday and should show in enilrea's OAG post on Sunday.

https://news.delta.com/delta-suspend-fl ... -us-cities

Some may come back when demand increases in the months/years ahead.
 
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Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:23 pm

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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:46 pm

By my count, that makes 23 points suspended (either temporarily or indefinitely) in all.
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Fri Jun 05, 2020 11:30 pm

klm617 wrote:
AZORMP wrote:
DL is suspending service to the following stations starting 7/8:

ASE
BGR
ERI
FNT
FSM
LNK
EWN
PIA
SBA
AVP
XWA
YOW (eff. June 21)



FNT is still available for booking deep into July.


News came directly from Delta.
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:04 am

klm617 wrote:
AZORMP wrote:
DL is suspending service to the following stations starting 7/8:

ASE
BGR
ERI
FNT
FSM
LNK
EWN
PIA
SBA
AVP
XWA
YOW (eff. June 21)



FNT is still available for booking deep into July.


FNT is being removed from the schedule in the 6/13 schedule load along with the other suspended stations.
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:23 am

winginit wrote:
klm617 wrote:
AZORMP wrote:
DL is suspending service to the following stations starting 7/8:

ASE
BGR
ERI
FNT
FSM
LNK
EWN
PIA
SBA
AVP
XWA
YOW (eff. June 21)



FNT is still available for booking deep into July.


FNT is being removed from the schedule in the 6/13 schedule load along with the other suspended stations.


Will the 6/13 schedule bulletin have the August cuts in it? I’m anxious to see if the MI field stations are going to continue their recover or if they’re holding around 2-3 flights per day like for July.
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:44 am

AZORMP wrote:
winginit wrote:
klm617 wrote:


FNT is still available for booking deep into July.


FNT is being removed from the schedule in the 6/13 schedule load along with the other suspended stations.


Will the 6/13 schedule bulletin have the August cuts in it? I’m anxious to see if the MI field stations are going to continue their recover or if they’re holding around 2-3 flights per day like for July.


I've been on a few of Delta's feedback webinars that they're conducting for customers and travel agencies, and the impression I've gotten is that through the Summer the schedule will really only be 'safe' six weeks prior to the first of the month in question. That being the case, I wouldn't expect the August cuts to be finalized until the 6/20 schedule load.
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Sat Jun 06, 2020 2:45 am

My guess is August won’t be loaded this week. I suspect you will be more July capacity added into ATL.

I suspect that DTW will continue to operate as a 2-3 bank hub until business travel comes back and also the core TATL and TPAC flights; still months out.
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Sun Jun 07, 2020 2:11 am

AZORMP wrote:
DL is suspending service to the following stations starting 7/8:

ASE
BGR
ERI
FNT
FSM
LNK
EWN
PIA
SBA
AVP
XWA
YOW (eff. June 21)


DL hasn't touched FSM flights as of today, anyway. Still 1x daily in JUL and 2x in AUG onward.
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Sun Jun 07, 2020 2:24 am

jb1087xna wrote:
AZORMP wrote:
DL is suspending service to the following stations starting 7/8:

ASE
BGR
ERI
FNT
FSM
LNK
EWN
PIA
SBA
AVP
XWA
YOW (eff. June 21)


DL hasn't touched FSM flights as of today, anyway. Still 1x daily in JUL and 2x in AUG onward.


As the exemptions were just officially approved/finalized yesterday, my assumption is the cuts won’t be loaded until next week.

Did DL confirm it’s planning on dropping all 11?
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:27 am

Today's flight operations at JFK (6 June 2020; the flying programme for the day is now complete). Information pooled from Flightstats and Flightradar24...only 23 arrivals today.

A319: 7
A359: 1
B738: 1
B752: 4
B763: 1
B764: 1
BCS1: 1
CRJ9: 7

Operations from:
Domestic:
SLC
BOS
ATL
SEA
LAX
DTW
MSP
YYZ
SFO
MIA
MCO

Cross-border:
YYZ

International:
AMS
SOF via POZ

Regional flying was to/from BOS and DTW. The BCS1 flight was to/from MSP. Otherwise, transcon (LAX/SFO/SLC) was mostly B752 (with an LAX B763) except for the SEA flight on a B738 (sans SEA, all of the transcon flights were on internationally-configured aircraft). Flights to the Southeast were all on A319s (most upgauge back to the A321 next week)...and one lone TATL flight from AMS on a B764. That oddball A359 flight was likely for repatriation...it's really saying something when the A319 is the workhorse, and I would say that NS20 is basically lost...maybe with NW20, traffic could pick back up.

(Tomorrow, a B77L flight for cargo arrives from BOM.)
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:42 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
Today's flight operations at JFK (6 June 2020; the flying programme for the day is now complete). Information pooled from Flightstats and Flightradar24...only 23 arrivals today.

A319: 7
A359: 1
B738: 1
B752: 4
B763: 1
B764: 1
BCS1: 1
CRJ9: 7

Operations from:
Domestic:
SLC
BOS
ATL
SEA
LAX
DTW
MSP
YYZ
SFO
MIA
MCO

Cross-border:
YYZ

International:
AMS
SOF via POZ

Regional flying was to/from BOS and DTW. The BCS1 flight was to/from MSP. Otherwise, transcon (LAX/SFO/SLC) was mostly B752 (with an LAX B763) except for the SEA flight on a B738 (sans SEA, all of the transcon flights were on internationally-configured aircraft). Flights to the Southeast were all on A319s (most upgauge back to the A321 next week)...and one lone TATL flight from AMS on a B764. That oddball A359 flight was likely for repatriation...it's really saying something when the A319 is the workhorse, and I would say that NS20 is basically lost...maybe with NW20, traffic could pick back up.

(Tomorrow, a B77L flight for cargo arrives from BOM.)


The A359 was a military charter. Right now, AMS and CDG are at 3x weekly each and there is also a TLV flight 3-4x weekly. Second half of June, the AMS goes daily. Next month, TATL long-haul has so far been scheduled as daily AMS, daily CDG, 4x weekly ATH, 4x weekly LIS, 4x weekly TLV, and 4x weekly ACC.
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Sun Jun 07, 2020 4:55 am

It seems like air travel might be rebounding a little quicker than previously thought. Nearly 400k went through TSA the other day. I’m worried DL May have cut a little too much. Their schedule in my hometown of CID is 1x to MSP right now, and that hub only has 95 flights. Many places I’ve priced on trips the fares are high and you have to double connect. I’m hoping they bring more cities and flights back to ATL. If I needed to go anywhere or looking to book I’d basically have to go American because it provides to most options at this point.
 
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CIDFlyer wrote:
It seems like air travel might be rebounding a little quicker than previously thought. Nearly 400k went through TSA the other day. I’m worried DL May have cut a little too much. Their schedule in my hometown of CID is 1x to MSP right now, and that hub only has 95 flights. Many places I’ve priced on trips the fares are high and you have to double connect. I’m hoping they bring more cities and flights back to ATL. If I needed to go anywhere or looking to book I’d basically have to go American because it provides to most options at this point.

Ive struggled to book out of CID. I had to fly UA out of there just to get on dl88
 
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DylanHarvey wrote:
CIDFlyer wrote:
It seems like air travel might be rebounding a little quicker than previously thought. Nearly 400k went through TSA the other day. I’m worried DL May have cut a little too much. Their schedule in my hometown of CID is 1x to MSP right now, and that hub only has 95 flights. Many places I’ve priced on trips the fares are high and you have to double connect. I’m hoping they bring more cities and flights back to ATL. If I needed to go anywhere or looking to book I’d basically have to go American because it provides to most options at this point.

Ive struggled to book out of CID. I had to fly UA out of there just to get on dl88
. You are not alone. AA is running 6 flights a day here 2x DFW 2x CLT 2x ORD to DLs one flight and UA’s 2. I know a few people who were DL loyalists and were booking To see family this summer and DL was just not an option for them. I get that they are saving money in this trying time but now as things opening up and more people hitting the skies the connectivity on DL is pretty much non existent.
 
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Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:47 pm

CIDFlyer wrote:
DylanHarvey wrote:
CIDFlyer wrote:
It seems like air travel might be rebounding a little quicker than previously thought. Nearly 400k went through TSA the other day. I’m worried DL May have cut a little too much. Their schedule in my hometown of CID is 1x to MSP right now, and that hub only has 95 flights. Many places I’ve priced on trips the fares are high and you have to double connect. I’m hoping they bring more cities and flights back to ATL. If I needed to go anywhere or looking to book I’d basically have to go American because it provides to most options at this point.

Ive struggled to book out of CID. I had to fly UA out of there just to get on dl88
. You are not alone. AA is running 6 flights a day here 2x DFW 2x CLT 2x ORD to DLs one flight and UA’s 2. I know a few people who were DL loyalists and were booking To see family this summer and DL was just not an option for them. I get that they are saving money in this trying time but now as things opening up and more people hitting the skies the connectivity on DL is pretty much non existent.

I do trust Delta to return just because of how profitable they were before and the fact they are getting rid of marginal routes. Obviously the small places will come back we used to get a 319 from Atlanta. I am praying for a 220
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

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CIDFlyer wrote:
It seems like air travel might be rebounding a little quicker than previously thought. Nearly 400k went through TSA the other day. I’m worried DL May have cut a little too much. Their schedule in my hometown of CID is 1x to MSP right now, and that hub only has 95 flights. Many places I’ve priced on trips the fares are high and you have to double connect. I’m hoping they bring more cities and flights back to ATL. If I needed to go anywhere or looking to book I’d basically have to go American because it provides to most options at this point.

Total travel is almost, but not quite, at 15% of 2019 traffic:
https://www.tsa.gov/coronavirus/passenger-throughput

At the current pace of recovery, I hate to say it, DL should have cut more With traffic yield poor, and I expect through the next year, DL will have trouble making money.

Some cities will be Marginal. When traffic is 3x more, than we could talk about cutting too much.

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lightsaber wrote:
CIDFlyer wrote:
It seems like air travel might be rebounding a little quicker than previously thought. Nearly 400k went through TSA the other day. I’m worried DL May have cut a little too much. Their schedule in my hometown of CID is 1x to MSP right now, and that hub only has 95 flights. Many places I’ve priced on trips the fares are high and you have to double connect. I’m hoping they bring more cities and flights back to ATL. If I needed to go anywhere or looking to book I’d basically have to go American because it provides to most options at this point.

Total travel is almost, but not quite, at 15% of 2019 traffic:
https://www.tsa.gov/coronavirus/passenger-throughput

At the current pace of recovery, I hate to say it, DL should have cut more With traffic yield poor, and I expect through the next year, DL will have trouble making money.

Some cities will be Marginal. When traffic is 3x more, than we could talk about cutting too much.

Lightsaber


I agree still relying to much on ATL connections and most of that is low yielding Florida traffic. Delta needs to beef up it's east west connection opportunities which it has all but surrendered to UA and AA. Nobody the the Northeast or upper midwest want's to fly down to ATL to get a connection out west.
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:10 am

joeblow10 wrote:
jb1087xna wrote:
AZORMP wrote:
DL is suspending service to the following stations starting 7/8:

ASE
BGR
ERI
FNT
FSM
LNK
EWN
PIA
SBA
AVP
XWA
YOW (eff. June 21)


DL hasn't touched FSM flights as of today, anyway. Still 1x daily in JUL and 2x in AUG onward.


As the exemptions were just officially approved/finalized yesterday, my assumption is the cuts won’t be loaded until next week.

Did DL confirm it’s planning on dropping all 11?


Yes, there was both an internal and external announcement saying that those stations would lose service as of 7/8. Affected DL employees would be given options; however, I think most of them are third party, probably DGS.
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:38 pm

FNT is mainline. Not sure about YOW.
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:38 pm

klm617 wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
CIDFlyer wrote:
It seems like air travel might be rebounding a little quicker than previously thought. Nearly 400k went through TSA the other day. I’m worried DL May have cut a little too much. Their schedule in my hometown of CID is 1x to MSP right now, and that hub only has 95 flights. Many places I’ve priced on trips the fares are high and you have to double connect. I’m hoping they bring more cities and flights back to ATL. If I needed to go anywhere or looking to book I’d basically have to go American because it provides to most options at this point.

Total travel is almost, but not quite, at 15% of 2019 traffic:
https://www.tsa.gov/coronavirus/passenger-throughput

At the current pace of recovery, I hate to say it, DL should have cut more With traffic yield poor, and I expect through the next year, DL will have trouble making money.

Some cities will be Marginal. When traffic is 3x more, than we could talk about cutting too much.

Lightsaber


I agree still relying to much on ATL connections and most of that is low yielding Florida traffic. Delta needs to beef up it's east west connection opportunities which it has all but surrendered to UA and AA. Nobody the the Northeast or upper midwest want's to fly down to ATL to get a connection out west.

While relying on ATL isn't perfect, customers have JFK, BOS, DTW, and MSP for connections.

As to the West not using ATL, I'm amazed how often I would connect in ATL, but because of the 40 minute connection times, the routings worked. Otherwise SLC, MSP and DTW serve the West.

I am personally going to miss the LAX to Florida direct flights, but that just won't happen in today's market. Cest la vie.

Looking at the TSA numbers, traffic is at 16.5% of previous and only growing 2% a week or so.

https://www.tsa.gov/coronavirus/passenger-throughput

In other words, DL hasn't cut enough. So if most is through ATL, that is the choice. My LAX based options are... too generous. The cash burn must be reduced. Business flying is going to be low for all of 2020.

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Please take the AA discussion to another thread on AA.
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Mon Jun 08, 2020 2:01 pm

lightsaber wrote:
klm617 wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
Total travel is almost, but not quite, at 15% of 2019 traffic:
https://www.tsa.gov/coronavirus/passenger-throughput

At the current pace of recovery, I hate to say it, DL should have cut more With traffic yield poor, and I expect through the next year, DL will have trouble making money.

Some cities will be Marginal. When traffic is 3x more, than we could talk about cutting too much.

Lightsaber


I agree still relying to much on ATL connections and most of that is low yielding Florida traffic. Delta needs to beef up it's east west connection opportunities which it has all but surrendered to UA and AA. Nobody the the Northeast or upper midwest want's to fly down to ATL to get a connection out west.

While relying on ATL isn't perfect, customers have JFK, BOS, DTW, and MSP for connections.

As to the West not using ATL, I'm amazed how often I would connect in ATL, but because of the 40 minute connection times, the routings worked. Otherwise SLC, MSP and DTW serve the West.

I am personally going to miss the LAX to Florida direct flights, but that just won't happen in today's market. Cest la vie.

Looking at the TSA numbers, traffic is at 16.5% of previous and only growing 2% a week or so.

https://www.tsa.gov/coronavirus/passenger-throughput

In other words, DL hasn't cut enough. So if most is through ATL, that is the choice. My LAX based options are... too generous. The cash burn must be reduced. Business flying is going to be low for all of 2020.

Lightsaber


If DL hasn't cut enough, then why are they continuing to add more flights back?
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:48 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
klm617 wrote:

I agree still relying to much on ATL connections and most of that is low yielding Florida traffic. Delta needs to beef up it's east west connection opportunities which it has all but surrendered to UA and AA. Nobody the the Northeast or upper midwest want's to fly down to ATL to get a connection out west.

While relying on ATL isn't perfect, customers have JFK, BOS, DTW, and MSP for connections.

As to the West not using ATL, I'm amazed how often I would connect in ATL, but because of the 40 minute connection times, the routings worked. Otherwise SLC, MSP and DTW serve the West.

I am personally going to miss the LAX to Florida direct flights, but that just won't happen in today's market. Cest la vie.

Looking at the TSA numbers, traffic is at 16.5% of previous and only growing 2% a week or so.

https://www.tsa.gov/coronavirus/passenger-throughput

In other words, DL hasn't cut enough. So if most is through ATL, that is the choice. My LAX based options are... too generous. The cash burn must be reduced. Business flying is going to be low for all of 2020.

Lightsaber


If DL hasn't cut enough, then why are they continuing to add more flights back?


Possibly due to the 60% capacity limits on all of their flights.
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Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:44 pm

A reality is that Delta, and everyone else, has made a Wild Ass Guess (WAG) on where traffic will be in 1 year from now, and then 2 years from now. They will do well if they are reasonably close to that guess. They will do badly if they are significantly off of those guesses.

They, and everyone else, are literally making the biggest gambles in their companies history with their guesses. I truly hope they are reasonably close to correct.

Also, "investors" are not the ones buying stock right now. The "gamblers" are. There's no reason to play the stock market unless you can afford to loose your bets (or at least a substantial portion of them).

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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:48 pm

nwadeicer wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
While relying on ATL isn't perfect, customers have JFK, BOS, DTW, and MSP for connections.

As to the West not using ATL, I'm amazed how often I would connect in ATL, but because of the 40 minute connection times, the routings worked. Otherwise SLC, MSP and DTW serve the West.

I am personally going to miss the LAX to Florida direct flights, but that just won't happen in today's market. Cest la vie.

Looking at the TSA numbers, traffic is at 16.5% of previous and only growing 2% a week or so.

https://www.tsa.gov/coronavirus/passenger-throughput

In other words, DL hasn't cut enough. So if most is through ATL, that is the choice. My LAX based options are... too generous. The cash burn must be reduced. Business flying is going to be low for all of 2020.

Lightsaber


If DL hasn't cut enough, then why are they continuing to add more flights back?


Possibly due to the 60% capacity limits on all of their flights.


Even with the capacity cap, one would believe that if they are adding more flights in it is because the other flights have reached the 60% mark.
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Mon Jun 08, 2020 4:57 pm

Which markets ended/suspended by DL do you think will return, and which may be gone for good (as in, even when the demand returns to near pre-COVID levels broadly)? I know it's impossible to say for sure given the uncertainty in the market right now, but I'm curious if you think any of these will be permanent.
 
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AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
Which markets ended/suspended by DL do you think will return, and which may be gone for good (as in, even when the demand returns to near pre-COVID levels broadly)? I know it's impossible to say for sure given the uncertainty in the market right now, but I'm curious if you think any of these will be permanent.



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Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos