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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Thu Jun 25, 2020 10:52 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
DL just needs to get to a point of viable demand to limp them through until Feb/Mar of 2021 and hope to all heck that business travel ramps up and leisure travel for spring 2021 comes back.


Unfortunately, given where we are at this point, I think the above timeframe is very optimistic.
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Fri Jun 26, 2020 3:27 pm

Returned on Thu 6/25: (12)
1 A320 SBD-JFK (N349NW)
1 A320 SBD-ATL (N350NA)
1 B753 SBD-SLC (N591NW)

1 A321 MZJ-ATL (N392DN)
1 A321 MZJ-DTW (N387DN)

1 B753 QRO-ATL (N589NW) mx exit

1 A321 MCI-MSP (N301DV)
1 A321 MCI-MCO (N333DX)
1 B739 MCI-ATL (N928DU)
1 B739 MCI-JFK (N858DZ)
1 B739 MCI-JFK (N860DN)
1 B739 MCI-JFK (N869DN)

Total aircraft returned from storage through Thu 6/25:
4 A359 (All A359s out of storage and returned to service)
5 A320
22 A321
5 B738
31 B739
2 B752
3 B753
2 B763
----
76 Total

Planned for Fri 6/26: (7)
1 A320 SBD-MIA (N364NW)
1 A321 MZJ-ATL (N374DX)
1 B753 QRO-ATL (N582NW or N583NW) mx exit
1 B753 VCV-ATL (N593NW)
1 B739 MWH-ATL (N845DN)
1 B763 ILN-JFK (N1200K)
1 B739 MCI-ATL (N901DN)

Planned for Sat 6/27:
1 A320 SBD-CLT (N359NW)
1 B753 SBD-ATL (N588NW)

*Does not include reactivation of aircraft that had parked or stored red at hub locations

5 B753s have returned to service with at least 4 more returning soon:
N596NW has returned to scheduled service, operating SLC-ATL-SLC daily. This aircraft had been kept in rolling parking at ATL and done periodic military charters over the past 2 months.
N594NW has returned to scheduled service effective 6/17. The aircraft had been kept in rolling parking at MSP and done periodic military charters and one-off revenue flights over the past 2 months
N581NW departed MZJ on Fri 6/19
N591NW departed SBD on Thu 6/25
N589NW departed QRO on Thu 6/25

N593NW scheduled to depart VCV to ATL on Fri 6/26
N588NW scheduled to depart SBD to ATL on Sat 6/27
N582NW mx test flight QRO 6/24
N583NW mx test flight QRO 6/24


5 A320s have been removed from storage
N361NW, N363NW, N365NW, N349NW, N350NA

2 additional A320 scheduled to be removed from storage in SBD this week
N364NW, N359NW
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Fri Jun 26, 2020 5:12 pm

Thanks for posting these fleet updates- it’s great info!
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:14 pm

NWAESC wrote:
Thanks for posting these fleet updates- it’s great info!


Yes it is and it takes time to compile. Thank you! When there is so much bad news, this at least shows progress. :yes:
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:23 pm

The 753 from QRO just flew right over my house.
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:37 pm

[threeid][/threeid]Tomorrow will announce FA crew bases. Rumor.
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:40 pm

To clarify you mean FA crew bases.....the pilot base realignment was announced several weeks ago.
CVG lost the last pilot crew base (73N) so its natural to assume the FA base will go and they won't start/end trips from there any longer.
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:56 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
To clarify you mean FA crew bases.....the pilot base realignment was announced several weeks ago.
CVG lost the last pilot crew base (73N) so its natural to assume the FA base will go and they won't start/end trips from there any longer.


not necessarily

Delta has quite a few FA bases (Miami for example) that aren't pilot bases. CVG is a super senior base so I'd be pretty surprised if they completely shut it down. Shifting to a.....whatever Delta calls satellite bases (AFPs maybe? its slipping my memory)..... seems much more likely.





Of course I say that and most people still can't figure out, even today, how Dallas doesn't have some kind of something, even though it feels like the company "studies" it what seems like ever 3 days. :lol:
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:59 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
To clarify you mean FA crew bases.....the pilot base realignment was announced several weeks ago.
CVG lost the last pilot crew base (73N) so its natural to assume the FA base will go and they won't start/end trips from there any longer.


I'd expect the CVG FA base to go. PDX is likely to go, especially if PDX-HND doesn't come online (I wouldn't hold my breath on that anytime soon). I don't see any real reason to keep the SFO base as well (could keep it as a satellite of LAX).

I think at the end you'll keep main bases at BOS, NYC, ATL, DTW, MSP, SLC, MCO, LAX, SEA, HNL. CVG might be able to stay as a satellite base of DTW.
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:04 pm

deltal1011man wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
To clarify you mean FA crew bases.....the pilot base realignment was announced several weeks ago.
CVG lost the last pilot crew base (73N) so its natural to assume the FA base will go and they won't start/end trips from there any longer.

Of course I say that and most people still can't figure out, even today, how Dallas doesn't have some kind of something, even though it feels like the company "studies" it what seems like ever 3 days. :lol:

Dallas is still a location for a Delta reservations center.
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:34 am

HNLSLCPDX wrote:
deltal1011man wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
To clarify you mean FA crew bases.....the pilot base realignment was announced several weeks ago.
CVG lost the last pilot crew base (73N) so its natural to assume the FA base will go and they won't start/end trips from there any longer.

Of course I say that and most people still can't figure out, even today, how Dallas doesn't have some kind of something, even though it feels like the company "studies" it what seems like ever 3 days. :lol:

Dallas is still a location for a Delta reservations center.


That's it though. DFW-ATL is a well-known market amongst non-revs in terms of difficulty being able to get on since there are so many commuters (both flight deck and cabin crew) in this market. My 2012 seniority rarely held up.
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:37 am

-CVG and HNL will transition from bases to AFP’s with approximately 80 flight attendants each.
-ORM, SAS and TPM AFPs closing.
-SFO will transition from base to AFP; will retain current staffing but no backfill for attrition.
-EWR will no longer be a coterminal for NY-based crews. EWR flights will be flown by other bases and AFPs.
-PTS will remain open to support International flying but there will be no backfill due to attrition.
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:28 am

millionsofmiles wrote:
-CVG and HNL will transition from bases to AFP’s with approximately 80 flight attendants each.
-ORM, SAS and TPM AFPs closing.
-SFO will transition from base to AFP; will retain current staffing but no backfill for attrition.
-EWR will no longer be a coterminal for NY-based crews. EWR flights will be flown by other bases and AFPs.
-PTS will remain open to support International flying but there will be no backfill due to attrition.


So what does the final list look like? Bases vs AFP vs no longer applicable.
Aiming High and going far..
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:35 am

millionsofmiles wrote:
-CVG and HNL will transition from bases to AFP’s with approximately 80 flight attendants each.
-ORM, SAS and TPM AFPs closing.
-SFO will transition from base to AFP; will retain current staffing but no backfill for attrition.
-EWR will no longer be a coterminal for NY-based crews. EWR flights will be flown by other bases and AFPs.
-PTS will remain open to support International flying but there will be no backfill due to attrition.


Sorry could you please explain the codes that are not standard airport codes?
A300/A310/A319/A320/A321/A332/A333 / 707/712/727/732/733/734/735/738/739/752/753
/762/763/764/772/788/789/DC8/DC9-10/30/40/50/MD81/83/87/88/90/L1011-/250/500/CRJ200/440 /700/900/EMB135/140/145/170/175/190/328Jet/F70/SF3/BE1/J31
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:14 am

Been discussed on another site, but 7900 pilots eligible for the early out package, 3 years pay at 58 hr/mo. Looks like 2558 furlough notices to go out per WARN act.
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:57 am

toltommy wrote:
millionsofmiles wrote:
-CVG and HNL will transition from bases to AFP’s with approximately 80 flight attendants each.
-ORM, SAS and TPM AFPs closing.
-SFO will transition from base to AFP; will retain current staffing but no backfill for attrition.
-EWR will no longer be a coterminal for NY-based crews. EWR flights will be flown by other bases and AFPs.
-PTS will remain open to support International flying but there will be no backfill due to attrition.


Sorry could you please explain the codes that are not standard airport codes?


ORM = ORD AFP (Alternate Flying Program?/satellite FA base)
SAS = San Diego AFP I believe, not sure on that one.
TPM = TPA AFP
PTS = PDX AFP
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:59 am

millionsofmiles wrote:
-CVG and HNL will transition from bases to AFP’s with approximately 80 flight attendants each.
-ORM, SAS and TPM AFPs closing.
-SFO will transition from base to AFP; will retain current staffing but no backfill for attrition.
-EWR will no longer be a coterminal for NY-based crews. EWR flights will be flown by other bases and AFPs.
-PTS will remain open to support International flying but there will be no backfill due to attrition.


I'm sure this will get more to take the package, if they could be bumped out of their base/AFP.
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:40 am

According to the pilot forums and some friends at Delta, 2558 pilot furlough notice to be sent out next week. A sad announcement to hear.
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:06 pm

CRJ200flyer wrote:
According to the pilot forums and some friends at Delta, 2558 pilot furlough notice to be sent out next week.


CNBC has reported the same number.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/26/delta-p ... uffer.html

This is a ~month earlier than it needs to be under WARN Act requirements were layoffs to start October 1.
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:37 pm

ERJ170 wrote:
So what does the final list look like? Bases vs AFP vs no longer applicable.


Going off the list above, I believe it should look like this:

Bases:

ATL/BOS/DTW/FLL/LAX/MCO/MSP/NYC/SEA/SLC

AFPs:

CVG/HNL/PDX/SFO
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Sat Jun 27, 2020 1:39 pm

CRJ200flyer wrote:
According to the pilot forums and some friends at Delta, 2558 pilot furlough notice to be sent out next week. A sad announcement to hear.


They also a said they hope to reach an agreement that would result in a 2 year no-furlough commitment. It’s a bit of a bargaining tactic at this point.
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Sat Jun 27, 2020 2:42 pm

N766UA wrote:
CRJ200flyer wrote:
According to the pilot forums and some friends at Delta, 2558 pilot furlough notice to be sent out next week. A sad announcement to hear.


They also a said they hope to reach an agreement that would result in a 2 year no-furlough commitment. It’s a bit of a bargaining tactic at this point.


Carrying 2,558 pilots they don't need is quite an expense (with benefits) for two years. That count is more than the mandatory retirements. https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/air ... _air_lines

It would give them more scheduling flexibility (having enough pilots by type) and save some retraining costs, however.
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:09 pm

lightsaber wrote:
Good question. 600+ Aircraft to be parked:

https://news.delta.com/ed-bastian-memo- ... our-future

I personally think SLC and MSP are a bit close for hubs. One or the other will be downsized, but I fully admit, I do not know which.

Complete aircraft deferals tells me DL negotiated well.

I expect many long/thin routes to be cut. The era of yours truly having a selection of TCON direct flights is probably over.

Lightsaber

when you look at the major hubs of their peers? Chicago is the hub of United and American, so DTW and MSP bracket ORD. SFO. LAX and SEA are Countered by SLC so
other than that? Where would you have the hubs to really Be?
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:37 pm

768-300 scheduled to leave ILN for JFK this afternoon

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KILN/KJFK
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:52 pm

TUI is retiring several B753, can Delta pick up this frames for domestic market?
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Sat Jun 27, 2020 3:59 pm

danipawa wrote:
TUI is retiring several B753, can Delta pick up this frames for domestic market?


TUI dont have 753s?
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Sat Jun 27, 2020 4:04 pm

Condor, sorry hehhe
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:05 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
N766UA wrote:
CRJ200flyer wrote:
According to the pilot forums and some friends at Delta, 2558 pilot furlough notice to be sent out next week. A sad announcement to hear.


They also a said they hope to reach an agreement that would result in a 2 year no-furlough commitment. It’s a bit of a bargaining tactic at this point.


Carrying 2,558 pilots they don't need is quite an expense (with benefits) for two years. That count is more than the mandatory retirements. https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/air ... _air_lines

It would give them more scheduling flexibility (having enough pilots by type) and save some retraining costs, however.

2558 pilots, pay, benefits, taxes the company pays is a huge expense. For low level employees, the cost is 1.25X to 1.5X salary. For pilots, with significant training expenses, probably more like 1.7x to 1.9x.

I hope their us a solution to not furlough, but that is expensive. I calculate holding the pilots for two years costs a minimum of $350,000/pilot or $895 million.

I'd like to see what DALPA is offering.
Unfortunately, pilots will be highly available for 3 to 5 years.

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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:38 pm

lightsaber wrote:


I hope their us a solution to not furlough, but that is expensive. I calculate holding the pilots for two years costs a minimum of $350,000/pilot or $895 million.


I came up with a bit smaller number because it's bottom-of-seniority pilots that will get furloughed. It's still in the range of 'real money' for a firm the size of Delta - money that has to be borrowed, money that can't go to new aircraft, and money that won't be paid out in profit sharing when demand (and profits) return.
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:12 pm

adtall wrote:
toltommy wrote:
millionsofmiles wrote:
-CVG and HNL will transition from bases to AFP’s with approximately 80 flight attendants each.
-ORM, SAS and TPM AFPs closing.
-SFO will transition from base to AFP; will retain current staffing but no backfill for attrition.
-EWR will no longer be a coterminal for NY-based crews. EWR flights will be flown by other bases and AFPs.
-PTS will remain open to support International flying but there will be no backfill due to attrition.


Sorry could you please explain the codes that are not standard airport codes?


ORM = ORD AFP (Alternate Flying Program?/satellite FA base)
SAS = San Diego AFP I believe, not sure on that one.
TPM = TPA AFP
PTS = PDX AFP


SAS is indeed the San Diego AFP.

I know a lot of FAs based in NYC will not be sad at losing EWR as part of the co-terminal. With so few DL flights out of EWR (especially now that AMS/CDG are gone), it's easy enough to cover the flying out of DTW/SLC/ATL/MSP bases since those are out-and-backs and I know a lot of the FAs based in the NYC area have crash pads over in Queens (since most of the flying is out of JFK/LGA) - it's not the easiest (or cheapest) for them to get to/from their crash pads to EWR late at night/early in the morning.
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:21 pm

Isn’t RDU an AFP?
Aiming High and going far..
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:22 pm

Not that I know of?
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Sat Jun 27, 2020 6:33 pm

I believe RDU is a seasonal AFP. It could've been upgraded to year round and I missed it though.
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Sat Jun 27, 2020 7:50 pm

RDU aka "RAM and IND aka "IDC" are both seasonal AFPs but they were not mentioned.
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Sat Jun 27, 2020 8:19 pm

Remind me again how the AFP situation works?
 
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Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:24 pm

It’s what other carriers might call a satellite base. They’re under the umbrella of a regular base, but are self-managed.
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Sat Jun 27, 2020 10:48 pm

Returned Fri 6/26: (7)
1 A320 SBD-MIA (N364NW)
1 A321 MZJ-ATL (N374DX)
1 B753 QRO-ATL (N583NW) mx exit
1 B753 VCV-ATL (N593NW)
1 B739 MWH-ATL (N845DN)
1 B763 ILN-JFK (N1200K)
1 B739 MCI-ATL (N901DN)

Returned Sat 6/27: (4)
1 A320 SBD-CLT (N359NW)
1 B753 SBD-ATL (N588NW)
1 B763 ILN-JFK
1 A321 MCI-MSP

Total aircraft returned from storage through Fri 6/26:
4 A359 (All A359s out of storage and returned to service)
7 A320
24 A321
5 B738
33 B739
2 B752
6 B753
3 B763
----
87 Total

Planned for Sun 6/28: (1)
1 A321 VCV-MSP (N366DX)

Planned for Mon 6/29:
1 A320 SBD-MSY (N334NW)
1 B753 SBD-ATL (N590NW)
1 B753 QRO-ATL (N582NW)

*Does not include reactivation of aircraft that had parked or stored red at hub locations

8 B753s have returned to service with at least 2 more returning soon:
N596NW has returned to scheduled service, had been kept in rolling parking at ATL and done periodic military charters over the past 2 months.
N594NW has returned to scheduled service, had been kept in rolling parking at MSP and done periodic military charters and one-off revenue flights over the past 2 months
N581NW departed MZJ on Fri 6/19
N591NW departed SBD on Thu 6/25
N589NW departed QRO on Thu 6/25
N583NW departed QRO on Fri 6/24
N593NW departed VCV on Fri 6/26
N588NW departed SBD on Sat 6/27

N582NW scheduled to depart QRO on Mon 6/29
N590NW scheduled to depart SBD on Mon 6/29

7 A320s have been removed from storage
N349NW, N350NA, N359NW, N361NW, N363NW, N364NW, N365NW
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:45 am

Returned Sun 6/28: (3)
1 A321 VCV-MSP (N366DX)
1 B739 MCI-JFK
1 B739 MCI-ATL

Total aircraft returned from storage through Sub 6/28:
4 A359 (All A359s out of storage and returned to service)
7 A320
25 A321
5 B738
35 B739
2 B752
6 B753
3 B763
----
90 Total


Planned for Mon 6/29: (11)
1 A320 SBD-MSY (N334NW)
1 B753 SBD-ATL (N590NW)
1 A321 MZJ-JFK
1 A321 MZJ-LGA
1 A321 MZJ-BOS
1 A321 VCV-MSP
1 B739 MWH-PDX
1 B753 QRO-ATL (N582NW)
1 B763 ILN-JFK
1 B739 MCI-JFK
1 B739 MCI-ATL

Planned for Tue 6/30:
1 B753 SBD-ATL (N592NW)

*Does not include reactivation of aircraft that had parked or stored at hub locations

8 B753s have returned to service with at least 3 more returning soon:
N596NW has returned to scheduled service, had been kept in rolling parking at ATL and done periodic military charters over the past 2 months.
N594NW has returned to scheduled service, had been kept in rolling parking at MSP and done periodic military charters and one-off revenue flights over the past 2 months
N581NW departed MZJ on Fri 6/19
N591NW departed SBD on Thu 6/25
N589NW departed QRO on Thu 6/25
N583NW departed QRO on Fri 6/24
N593NW departed VCV on Fri 6/26
N588NW departed SBD on Sat 6/27

N582NW scheduled to depart QRO on Mon 6/29
N590NW scheduled to depart SBD on Mon 6/29
N592NW scheduled to depart SBD on Tue 6/30

7 A320s have been removed from storage, 1 currently scheduled
N349NW, N350NA, N359NW, N361NW, N363NW, N364NW, N365NW

N334NW scheduled to depart SBD on Mon 6/29
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:26 pm

Surprised no one mentined it Delta closing inflight bases HNL, CVG no suprise tbh and SFO.
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:32 pm

....scroll-up about 20 posts ago..it was discussed on Friday or Saturday
There is more context than what you mention
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1443189&start=1450#p22294365
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:33 pm

Coexstud wrote:
Surprised no one mentined it Delta closing inflight bases HNL, CVG no suprise tbh and SFO.


Just look upthread...btw, HNL, CVG, and SFO are being transitioned from full FA bases to AFP (or 'satellite') bases. In turn, there are some AFP bases that are actually closing (e.g., SAN).
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Mon Jun 29, 2020 2:39 pm

First A320 back in revenue service this morning.....3265 N365NW operating DL775 JFK-MIA
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:25 am

Returned on Mon 6/29: (9)
1 A320 SBD-MSY (N334NW)

1 A321 MZJ-JFK
1 A321 MZJ-LGA
1 A321 MZJ-BOS

1 B739 MWH-PDX

1 B753 QRO-ATL (N583NW)

1 B763 ILN-JFK (N174DZ)

1 B739 MCI-JFK
1 B739 MCI-ATL

Total aircraft returned from storage through Sub 6/28:
4 A359 (All A359s out of storage and returned to service)
8 A320
28 A321
5 B738
38 B739
2 B752
7 B753
4 B763
----
99 Total



Planned for Tue 6/30:(5)
1 B753 SBD-ATL (N590NW); rescheduled from Monday
1 B753 SBD-ATL (N592NW)

1 A321 VCV-MSP (N367DN); rescheduled from Monday

1 B739 MCI-ATL
1 A320 MCI-SLC(N326US)



*Does not include reactivation of aircraft that had parked or stored at hub locations

9 B753s have returned to service with at least 2 more returning soon:
N596NW has returned to scheduled service, had been kept in rolling parking at ATL and done periodic military charters over the past 2 months.
N594NW has returned to scheduled service, had been kept in rolling parking at MSP and done periodic military charters and one-off revenue flights over the past 2 months
N581NW departed MZJ on Fri 6/19
N591NW departed SBD on Thu 6/25
N589NW departed QRO on Thu 6/25
N582NW departed QRO on Fri 6/24
N593NW departed VCV on Fri 6/26
N588NW departed SBD on Sat 6/27
N583NW departed QRO on Mon 6/29

N590NW scheduled to depart SBD on Tue 6/30
N592NW scheduled to depart SBD on Tue 6/30

8 A320s have been removed from storage, 1 scheduled:
N334NW, N349NW, N350NA, N359NW, N361NW, N363NW, N364NW, N365NW
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:09 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Returned on Mon 6/29: (9)
1 A320 SBD-MSY (N334NW)

1 A321 MZJ-JFK
1 A321 MZJ-LGA
1 A321 MZJ-BOS

1 B739 MWH-PDX

1 B753 QRO-ATL (N583NW)

1 B763 ILN-JFK (N174DZ)

1 B739 MCI-JFK
1 B739 MCI-ATL

Total aircraft returned from storage through Sub 6/28:
4 A359 (All A359s out of storage and returned to service)
8 A320
28 A321
5 B738
38 B739
2 B752
7 B753
4 B763
----
99 Total



Planned for Tue 6/30:(5)
1 B753 SBD-ATL (N590NW); rescheduled from Monday
1 B753 SBD-ATL (N592NW)

1 A321 VCV-MSP (N367DN); rescheduled from Monday

1 B739 MCI-ATL
1 A320 MCI-SLC(N326US)



*Does not include reactivation of aircraft that had parked or stored at hub locations

9 B753s have returned to service with at least 2 more returning soon:
N596NW has returned to scheduled service, had been kept in rolling parking at ATL and done periodic military charters over the past 2 months.
N594NW has returned to scheduled service, had been kept in rolling parking at MSP and done periodic military charters and one-off revenue flights over the past 2 months
N581NW departed MZJ on Fri 6/19
N591NW departed SBD on Thu 6/25
N589NW departed QRO on Thu 6/25
N582NW departed QRO on Fri 6/24
N593NW departed VCV on Fri 6/26
N588NW departed SBD on Sat 6/27
N583NW departed QRO on Mon 6/29

N590NW scheduled to depart SBD on Tue 6/30
N592NW scheduled to depart SBD on Tue 6/30

8 A320s have been removed from storage, 1 scheduled:
N334NW, N349NW, N350NA, N359NW, N361NW, N363NW, N364NW, N365NW


I love the 757-300 I do have a question as to why these seem to be coming back the quickest of any fleet type? Is the idea that with less flights operating and maintaining the distancing standards on the plane that these are the most cost effective way of flying a larger number of pax throughout the system? IE. 757-300 cost of operating is marginally higher than 757-200 but with 234 seats at roughly 65% capacity they can still get 140 pax on this plane?
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Tue Jun 30, 2020 2:13 pm

gsg013 wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Returned on Mon 6/29: (9)
1 A320 SBD-MSY (N334NW)

1 A321 MZJ-JFK
1 A321 MZJ-LGA
1 A321 MZJ-BOS

1 B739 MWH-PDX

1 B753 QRO-ATL (N583NW)

1 B763 ILN-JFK (N174DZ)

1 B739 MCI-JFK
1 B739 MCI-ATL

Total aircraft returned from storage through Sub 6/28:
4 A359 (All A359s out of storage and returned to service)
8 A320
28 A321
5 B738
38 B739
2 B752
7 B753
4 B763
----
99 Total



Planned for Tue 6/30:(5)
1 B753 SBD-ATL (N590NW); rescheduled from Monday
1 B753 SBD-ATL (N592NW)

1 A321 VCV-MSP (N367DN); rescheduled from Monday

1 B739 MCI-ATL
1 A320 MCI-SLC(N326US)



*Does not include reactivation of aircraft that had parked or stored at hub locations

9 B753s have returned to service with at least 2 more returning soon:
N596NW has returned to scheduled service, had been kept in rolling parking at ATL and done periodic military charters over the past 2 months.
N594NW has returned to scheduled service, had been kept in rolling parking at MSP and done periodic military charters and one-off revenue flights over the past 2 months
N581NW departed MZJ on Fri 6/19
N591NW departed SBD on Thu 6/25
N589NW departed QRO on Thu 6/25
N582NW departed QRO on Fri 6/24
N593NW departed VCV on Fri 6/26
N588NW departed SBD on Sat 6/27
N583NW departed QRO on Mon 6/29

N590NW scheduled to depart SBD on Tue 6/30
N592NW scheduled to depart SBD on Tue 6/30

8 A320s have been removed from storage, 1 scheduled:
N334NW, N349NW, N350NA, N359NW, N361NW, N363NW, N364NW, N365NW


I love the 757-300 I do have a question as to why these seem to be coming back the quickest of any fleet type? Is the idea that with less flights operating and maintaining the distancing standards on the plane that these are the most cost effective way of flying a larger number of pax throughout the system? IE. 757-300 cost of operating is marginally higher than 757-200 but with 234 seats at roughly 65% capacity they can still get 140 pax on this plane?


Essentially, yes.

When the pull down was in effect you wanted to be flying the smallest aircraft possible because there was almost zero demand. When returning to growth mode you want the largest aircraft possible to move the most people at the lowest cost.
That's not how this works! That's not how any of this works!
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:13 pm

With the current situation in Florida I wonder if it was wise for Delta to put so much capacity on the Atlanta Florida routes. Seems to me there would be more East-West demand than Northeast to Florida. If you wanted better yield I think East West would do better for you.
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Tue Jun 30, 2020 3:52 pm

klm617 wrote:
With the current situation in Florida I wonder if it was wise for Delta to put so much capacity on the Atlanta Florida routes. Seems to me there would be more East-West demand than Northeast to Florida. If you wanted better yield I think East West would do better for you.


I also can't imagine there is much demand for NY-FL flights either since both states are quarantining each other, but then again who's actually listening to those rules :roll:
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Tue Jun 30, 2020 5:03 pm

gsg013 wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Returned on Mon 6/29: (9)
1 A320 SBD-MSY (N334NW)

1 A321 MZJ-JFK
1 A321 MZJ-LGA
1 A321 MZJ-BOS

1 B739 MWH-PDX

1 B753 QRO-ATL (N583NW)

1 B763 ILN-JFK (N174DZ)

1 B739 MCI-JFK
1 B739 MCI-ATL

Total aircraft returned from storage through Sub 6/28:
4 A359 (All A359s out of storage and returned to service)
8 A320
28 A321
5 B738
38 B739
2 B752
7 B753
4 B763
----
99 Total



Planned for Tue 6/30:(5)
1 B753 SBD-ATL (N590NW); rescheduled from Monday
1 B753 SBD-ATL (N592NW)

1 A321 VCV-MSP (N367DN); rescheduled from Monday

1 B739 MCI-ATL
1 A320 MCI-SLC(N326US)



*Does not include reactivation of aircraft that had parked or stored at hub locations

9 B753s have returned to service with at least 2 more returning soon:
N596NW has returned to scheduled service, had been kept in rolling parking at ATL and done periodic military charters over the past 2 months.
N594NW has returned to scheduled service, had been kept in rolling parking at MSP and done periodic military charters and one-off revenue flights over the past 2 months
N581NW departed MZJ on Fri 6/19
N591NW departed SBD on Thu 6/25
N589NW departed QRO on Thu 6/25
N582NW departed QRO on Fri 6/24
N593NW departed VCV on Fri 6/26
N588NW departed SBD on Sat 6/27
N583NW departed QRO on Mon 6/29

N590NW scheduled to depart SBD on Tue 6/30
N592NW scheduled to depart SBD on Tue 6/30

8 A320s have been removed from storage, 1 scheduled:
N334NW, N349NW, N350NA, N359NW, N361NW, N363NW, N364NW, N365NW


I love the 757-300 I do have a question as to why these seem to be coming back the quickest of any fleet type? Is the idea that with less flights operating and maintaining the distancing standards on the plane that these are the most cost effective way of flying a larger number of pax throughout the system? IE. 757-300 cost of operating is marginally higher than 757-200 but with 234 seats at roughly 65% capacity they can still get 140 pax on this plane?

Assume so. Also how we see the 321 and 739 being returned faster than their comparable smaller siblings.
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:32 am

A few things - yes with the seat blocking / social distancing yes it makes sense to bring back the larger aircraft for mainline domestic routes that can support it.
The 753s are needed to add capacity, particularly on hub-to-hub routes. WIth how they suspended a lot of the hub overflying, particularly the long/thin stuff from ATL/DTW/MSP to the west, and from SLC -east they need the capacity to maintain connectivity,

Also the 739ER and A321s are younger and in their maintenance honeymoon before needing heavy checks. (maybe some of the oldest 739ER are getting near? but not they A321, heck considering they temporarily parked A321s that were only months old!) Those are obviously coming back.

There were also 5-6 753s that had been in QRO for heavy checks during the winter. So they were finishing them up, and I guess the good news is that since they just got heavy checks done in early 2020 there is no reason to park or remove them before several more years now they are fresh on green time.

I suspect it will be awhile before we see more A319s pulled, the only exception is if there is a need to get aircraft out of specific storage facilities by a given time (e.g., MCI) or to avoid putting specific aircraft into a longer-term storage program.
 
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Re: Delta plans to emerge a "smaller" carrier

Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:44 am

I was driving by DTW for work today., headed down past Toledo today.

When I drove by at around 8am I literally saw no aircraft take-off as I was driving down I-275.

When I drove by at 7pm on the way home I decided to take a spin through the airport. I hadn't flown, driving by, or been near the airport since March.
Best way I can describe it, was like going into one of those dying malls.

- In the 30 minutes or so I was driving around, I saw 1 DL CR2 take-off from 22L, and maybe 5 DL aircraft A321, B739, CR9, CR2 arrive.'
- Decent number 30-40ish DL aircraft on the even-side of A, B, and C. semi looked like normal from there but hard to get a good look from the roads
- 2 DL A359s parked on the 4R deice-pad, 1 A359 and A333 (I think) parked on the hardstands parking at the north end of C, a A359 parked outside the hangar by I-94, and about 6 CR2 / CR9s parked up by the old NOMADS terminal off Middlebelt
- NK had about 6 aircraft on the gates at the North, AA had 2 ERJs, and a few NK aircraft parked in front of their hangar.
- South end, inner alley of Concourse A essentially shuttered; it looked like 2 A221s had arrived in A29 & A31. Everything else was shuttered, FIDS were turned off, jetbridges pulled back, not GSE around. There were 2 more A221 and a B739 parked at the south end of A, shades pulled, jetbridge pulled and I think engine covers on.
- Weird not to see any T-tails on A; there have always been DC-9/MD-88/MD-90/717 parked on the lower A gates since the new terminal opened. Today nothing just 2 A221s.
- Doing taxiway and ramp concrete repair in the area around A7-A21
- Zero traffic on the roadways around the airport, it was like it would be at midnight or later; Maybe 5 cars on the departures level, maybe 20-30 cars waiting at arrivals. I saw almost no shuttle busses for rental cars or offsite parking
- Parking garage for the McNamera looked very empty, you could literally see through the levels with a handful of cars

Strange times indeed.

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