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Aeroflot 1990s JFK/MIA stop-overs

Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:04 pm

I found this on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxxKZXqImEk
I assume Shannon in Ireland and Gander in Canada were stop-overs for Aeroflot from SVO to JFK/IAD/MIA/HAV at the time? Anyone here have a schedule of Aeroflot & its stopovers in the 1990s with Russian aircraft due to limited range? It would be interesting. Where else did Aeroflot fly in the Americas at the time?
 
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Re: Aeroflot 1990s JFK/MIA stop-overs

Wed Mar 25, 2020 10:40 pm

x1234 wrote:
I found this on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxxKZXqImEk
I assume Shannon in Ireland and Gander in Canada were stop-overs for Aeroflot from SVO to JFK/IAD/MIA/HAV at the time? Anyone here have a schedule of Aeroflot & its stopovers in the 1990s with Russian aircraft due to limited range? It would be interesting. Where else did Aeroflot fly in the Americas at the time?


This is an older schedule (late 70s); it shows that in some cases the stop at SNN was only needed on the westbound leg. With the longer range IL-62M entering in service with SU in the late 70s/early 80s, it may have been the case that both legs were nonstops. The IL-86s had range issues and the SVO-HAV route required 2 stops, one in SNN and the other one in Gander. It was also used on the SVO-EZE route, requiring stops at Algiers, Ilha do Sal and Salvador, Brazil. The SVO-EZE route when flown with the IL-62M required two stops, one in Budapest and the other in Dakar.

http://timetableimages.com/ttimages/su/su77/su77_02.jpg

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Re: Aeroflot 1990s JFK/MIA stop-overs

Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:20 pm

I used them to travel between IAD and SNN. In the early 90s it was the easiest way to get to Ireland without transiting JFK or LHR; EI was not serving the Washington area at the time. It was also a popular route for students wanting to get to Europe because the fares were always the lowest. I don't think it ever operated as a daily service. I recall a winter frequency averaging 3X per week with it being suspended over the holiday season. Summer added an extra flight or two. The schedule seemed to change abruptly to accommodate diplomats and delegations, judging by news reports about the politics of the time.
 
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Re: Aeroflot 1990s JFK/MIA stop-overs

Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:38 pm

Here is what I remember as I flew it multiple times.

SU operates SVO-ORD using IL62M three days a week. In 1994 I think they switched to a B767 in new paint job also thee days a week. Monday and Saturday were non stop. Wednesday's were via SNN both ways. Around 6pm Departure from ORD T5. Late morning departure from SVO-2.
It was not range issue it was crew swap. After 9/11 route was stopped.

There was also a stop over in LIS on some flights to Latin America. As well as via Seashells.

When IL96m started flying to America's it was going non stop to SEA, LAX, HAV
 
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Re: Aeroflot 1990s JFK/MIA stop-overs

Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:43 pm

They also flew Moscow - Luxemburg - Shannon - Gander - Havanna - Lima ,saturday only on a IL-86. I did this from starting in Luxemburg. Total travel time was 23 hours. A few weeks later they had to cancel this flight, because not paying for fuel and fees.
 
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Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:46 pm

Santiago, Lima, Havana, Managua, Miami, Washington and Chicago all operated through Shannon and continued to SVO.
 
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Re: Aeroflot 1990s JFK/MIA stop-overs

Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:24 am

Aeroflot operated a number of different stops to North and South America.

Routings included:
SVO-FRA-LIS-HAV
SVO-SNN-HAV
SVO-FRA-SNN-HAV-LIM
SVO-SNN-HAV-MGA
SVO-SNN-HAV-MEX
SVO-LUX-SNN-HAV-KIN-LIM
SVO-SNN-HAV-LIM
SVO-SXF-DKR-EZE

And this was just the mid-late 80s
 
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Re: Aeroflot 1990s JFK/MIA stop-overs

Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:42 am

I think some of the SNN flights went on to Minsk and Kiev not just Moscow from what I recall , perhaps it was a scissors hub or maybe routes alternated . It was such a great time for Shannon so many fantastic destinations
 
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Re: Aeroflot 1990s JFK/MIA stop-overs

Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:59 am

I worked the ramp for Delta at IAD in the early 90s. We did ramp for Aeroflot’s multi-weekly flights to SNN and then onto SVO. The things we saw on those IL-62s. They were something else to work. 25+ years later and still telling the stories.
 
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Re: Aeroflot 1990s JFK/MIA stop-overs

Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:19 am

During the late 80s and early 90s Aeroflot ran the following scheduled flights via Gander. Most flights did crew changes at Gander, and Aeroflot had it's own fuel there also.
AFL315/316 IL86 SVO-SNN-YQX-JFK-YQX-SNN-SVO
AFL317/318 IL62 SVO-YQX-IAD-YQX-SVO
AFL319/320 IL86 LED-SNN-YQX-JFK-YQX-SNN-LED
AFL333/334 IL86 SVO-SNN-YQX-HAV-YQX-SNN-SVO
AFL345/346 IL86 SVO-SNN-YQX-HAV-LIM-HAV-YQX-SNN-SVO
AFL347/348 IL86 SVO-LUX-SNN-YQX-HAV-LIM-SCL-LIM-HAV-YQX-SNN-LUX-SVO
AFL983/984 IL76 SVO-SNN-YQX-JFK-YQX-SNN-SVO

Extra sections that carried mainly fishermen ran AFL347B/AFL348B. This flight would run a few times a month and sometimes went via PTY.

Also some more interesting facts, if there was an ADHOC charter to the USA either for passenger or cargo, those flights would stop in Gander to pick up a USAF escort pilot who was fluent in speaking Russian. The flight would stop pick up the escort pilot to the USA then stop again outbound and drop him off. This was required for non-scheduled USA destinations.
Over the years I got to know several of these pilots while I worked for Aeroflot at Gander.
Along with flight planning their scheduled flights, I can remember doing flight plans to FAR / MSP / ATL / DEN / ADW / CLT / STL. I'm sure there were others that I just can't remember.
By around 92 or 93 the writing was on the wall for Aeroflot using Gander for fuel stops.
The number of defectors that jumped ship in Gander became a burden on the immigration system so the Canadian Government required transit visas for all passengers for flights that stopped there. The passenger demand quickly dried up due to the hassle of getting these visas so passengers booked other carriers, and Aeroflot ran the IL62 via SNN and could by-pass Gander.

Regards
 
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Re: Aeroflot 1990s JFK/MIA stop-overs

Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:59 am

I enjoyed seeing the SU IL-62 here in Orlando (MCO) for the short lived MIA-MCO-MIA no local traffic service in the early 90's..
 
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Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:07 am

flyjoe wrote:
I worked the ramp for Delta at IAD in the early 90s. We did ramp for Aeroflot’s multi-weekly flights to SNN and then onto SVO. The things we saw on those IL-62s. They were something else to work. 25+ years later and still telling the stories.


Would it be possible if you could share a story or two for us?
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Re: Aeroflot 1990s JFK/MIA stop-overs

Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:24 am

In the early 1990’s I worked for a travel agent based in Belfast. There was an Irish tour operator called Budget travel who used to offer packages to Orlando using SU flights from SNN-MIA. The package would include the flights, a hire car pick up from MIA airport and hotel reservations in the Orlando area. At the time it was very cheap. From memory I think you could have two weeks in Florida for not much more than two weeks at a Spanish beach resort.
 
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Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:24 am

SierraAir wrote:
Aeroflot operated a number of different stops to North and South America.


What about Cabo Verde? I know AEROFLOT build even a crew hotel for stop-over close to the capital Sal.
 
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Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:39 am

richcandy wrote:
In the early 1990’s I worked for a travel agent based in Belfast. There was an Irish tour operator called Budget travel who used to offer packages to Orlando using SU flights from SNN-MIA. The package would include the flights, a hire car pick up from MIA airport and hotel reservations in the Orlando area. At the time it was very cheap. From memory I think you could have two weeks in Florida for not much more than two weeks at a Spanish beach resort.


Interesting that Ireland gave SU traffic rights on that route.
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Re: Aeroflot 1990s JFK/MIA stop-overs

Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:48 am

Ireland had recognised the Soviet Union's status
Aeroflot had an agreement with Aer Rianta (airport operator) - Russian fuel for Aeroflot with any remaining supply sold for hard currency
Aeroflit had its own accommodation blocks, which I think are still there.
Air Ukraine also used the facility
Belavia used to fly from Minsk to connect passengers
SNN could get quite busy during the day!
 
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Thu Mar 26, 2020 11:44 am

Fliplot wrote:
SNN could get quite busy during the day!


I remember this very strange airline from Ireland, called SkyNet - having rented unused routes and airport slots from Aeroflot...

 
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Re: Aeroflot 1990s JFK/MIA stop-overs

Thu Mar 26, 2020 12:51 pm

In 1993 I believe (I'm not with my logbooks today), I flew MIA-MEX and MEX-MIA on an Aeroflot IL-62, on a pass from their local sales office. What an experience! Thanks again, SU!
 
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Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:19 pm

I flew LIM to LUX on an IL-62 in 1986, then hitch hiked home to the UK. It was the cheapest one-way back to Europe. Stopped at HAV and then SNN. I couldn’t get off in Shannon. It was just a fuel stop. It would have been easier for skint, teenage me to get home from Ireland!
 
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Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:40 pm

I recall (and checked my contemporaneous travel diary) of arriving on 6/11/1984 at SNN from JFK via Transamerica Airlines (DC-8 !) and saw an Aeroflot plane at the gate going to Gander, Havana, other stops. My notes say there had been an attepted defection the day before from an Aeroflot flight. I recall (but no notes) of seeing another Aeroflot flight at the gate while I was waiting for my return flight SNN-JFK 6/24. You could tell the Ruskies right off as poorly dressed. I commented to a local about this arrangement for Aeroflot, but they said they made money on it, although noted the Russians were not big spenders at duty free or otherwise.

I also recall in my October 1995 trip to Ireland of running into visitors at a B&B I stayed in who took the MIA-SNN flight on Aeroflot as apparently the cheapest choice at the time.
 
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Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:25 pm

jetset wrote:
During the late 80s and early 90s Aeroflot ran the following scheduled flights via Gander. Most flights did crew changes at Gander, and Aeroflot had it's own fuel there also.
AFL315/316 IL86 SVO-SNN-YQX-JFK-YQX-SNN-SVO
AFL317/318 IL62 SVO-YQX-IAD-YQX-SVO
AFL319/320 IL86 LED-SNN-YQX-JFK-YQX-SNN-LED
AFL333/334 IL86 SVO-SNN-YQX-HAV-YQX-SNN-SVO
AFL345/346 IL86 SVO-SNN-YQX-HAV-LIM-HAV-YQX-SNN-SVO
AFL347/348 IL86 SVO-LUX-SNN-YQX-HAV-LIM-SCL-LIM-HAV-YQX-SNN-LUX-SVO
AFL983/984 IL76 SVO-SNN-YQX-JFK-YQX-SNN-SVO

Extra sections that carried mainly fishermen ran AFL347B/AFL348B. This flight would run a few times a month and sometimes went via PTY.

Also some more interesting facts, if there was an ADHOC charter to the USA either for passenger or cargo, those flights would stop in Gander to pick up a USAF escort pilot who was fluent in speaking Russian. The flight would stop pick up the escort pilot to the USA then stop again outbound and drop him off. This was required for non-scheduled USA destinations.
Over the years I got to know several of these pilots while I worked for Aeroflot at Gander.
Along with flight planning their scheduled flights, I can remember doing flight plans to FAR / MSP / ATL / DEN / ADW / CLT / STL. I'm sure there were others that I just can't remember.
By around 92 or 93 the writing was on the wall for Aeroflot using Gander for fuel stops.
The number of defectors that jumped ship in Gander became a burden on the immigration system so the Canadian Government required transit visas for all passengers for flights that stopped there. The passenger demand quickly dried up due to the hassle of getting these visas so passengers booked other carriers, and Aeroflot ran the IL62 via SNN and could by-pass Gander.

Regards


Fascinating, thanks for this post! My God, what routings!!! They couldn't even make it nonstop from SNN to JFK? I thought the IL62 could...or was that solely to pick-up that USAF escort pilot?
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Re: Aeroflot 1990s JFK/MIA stop-overs

Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:28 pm

tu204 wrote:
flyjoe wrote:
I worked the ramp for Delta at IAD in the early 90s. We did ramp for Aeroflot’s multi-weekly flights to SNN and then onto SVO. The things we saw on those IL-62s. They were something else to work. 25+ years later and still telling the stories.


Would it be possible if you could share a story or two for us?


Oh yeah! Please??? LOL I can't imagine the stories! Although as to the "things you saw" I bet you could see some at the Spy Museum in DC! LOL
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Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:34 pm

[quote="Fliplot"]Ireland had recognised the Soviet Union's status

I think it was the other way around , Russia was the first country to recognise Ireland as an independent nation back in 1916
 
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Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:26 pm

Ireland returned the compliment also becoming one of the first. Older Russians still comment on it when they find out you are Irish. Mind you they also apologise for Yeltsin's oops at SNN!
 
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Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:43 pm

I think they also operated flights from the Russian Far East to Anchorage, Seattle and San Francisco, yes?

Edited: in 1994 they operated San Francisco and Seattle to Khabarovsk and Magadan, as well as LAX< SFO and SEA to Moscow.

https://www.joc.com/aeroflot-add-flight ... 40615.html
 
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Re: Aeroflot 1990s JFK/MIA stop-overs

Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:44 am

cathay747 wrote:
tu204 wrote:
flyjoe wrote:
The things we saw on those IL-62s. They were something else to work. 25+ years later and still telling the stories.


Would it be possible if you could share a story or two for us?


Oh yeah! Please??? LOL I can't imagine the stories! Although as to the "things you saw" I bet you could see some at the Spy Museum in DC! LOL

Here's a few stories I remember, enjoy:

1. The flights from SNN used to come into IAD packed full of fish. The floor of the bins was not smooth, uneven, almost like walking on girders. We would toss out the boxes of fish towards the door and they would catch on the floor and tear the box and packaging to pieces. Arms would be slicked up with fish juice, while we picked up the loose fish and put it back in ripped boxes. We had boxes of grapes break as well, but those were fun for a bunch of immature rampers we were, throwing grapes at each other on the ramp.

2. The hoses on the water and lav trucks didn't fit the ports of the IL-62 without an adapter that never seemed to fully lock in place. I remember one guy standing there while servicing the lava and the hose just popped off. He was a face guard wearer, so he didn't get a drink of the juice, but his clothes got coated in blue juice.

3. Every bag seemed to be packed to the max allowable weight limit and seemingly with cans of food! I remember a full IAD-SNN-SVO flight and we maxed out the bins with bags and freight, including the rarely used 4th bin to the left of the engine near the APU. We had plenty of leftover bags and the SU station manager, Yuri (IIRC) had us stack the bags at the back at the back of the passenger cabin.

4. On another full cargo bin flight, we had a large German shepherd in a kennel, but limited space. So we took the kennel up the air stars and loaded it into the back of the pax cabin.
 
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Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:29 pm

flyjoe wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
tu204 wrote:

Would it be possible if you could share a story or two for us?


Oh yeah! Please??? LOL I can't imagine the stories! Although as to the "things you saw" I bet you could see some at the Spy Museum in DC! LOL

Here's a few stories I remember, enjoy:

1. The flights from SNN used to come into IAD packed full of fish. The floor of the bins was not smooth, uneven, almost like walking on girders. We would toss out the boxes of fish towards the door and they would catch on the floor and tear the box and packaging to pieces. Arms would be slicked up with fish juice, while we picked up the loose fish and put it back in ripped boxes. We had boxes of grapes break as well, but those were fun for a bunch of immature rampers we were, throwing grapes at each other on the ramp.

2. The hoses on the water and lav trucks didn't fit the ports of the IL-62 without an adapter that never seemed to fully lock in place. I remember one guy standing there while servicing the lava and the hose just popped off. He was a face guard wearer, so he didn't get a drink of the juice, but his clothes got coated in blue juice.

3. Every bag seemed to be packed to the max allowable weight limit and seemingly with cans of food! I remember a full IAD-SNN-SVO flight and we maxed out the bins with bags and freight, including the rarely used 4th bin to the left of the engine near the APU. We had plenty of leftover bags and the SU station manager, Yuri (IIRC) had us stack the bags at the back at the back of the passenger cabin.

4. On another full cargo bin flight, we had a large German shepherd in a kennel, but limited space. So we took the kennel up the air stars and loaded it into the back of the pax cabin.


Wonderful, hilarious stories!! THANKS!! Those were the days, eh?
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