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Images: KLM 747 at AMS 1971-1991

Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:26 pm

Hi folks,

At the end of this month KLM will say goodbye to the passenger and combi version of the 747. I wrote a little tribute to the KLM 747, focusing on the period 1971-1991. It features many rare images of the queen at her home base of Schiphol.

You can read it here: https://www.airporthistory.org/photos-klm747-schiphol.html

Enjoy!
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Re: IMAGES: KLM 747 at AMS 1971 - 1991

Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:48 pm

Wonderful! Thank you.
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Re: IMAGES: KLM 747 at AMS 1971-1991

Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:09 pm

Indeed the B&W pics are really catching the Queens beauty. Thanks for posting.
 
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Re: IMAGES: KLM 747 at AMS 1971-1991

Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:34 pm

Very Good. But from the last few times I have been through there, it looks like they have gotten rid of the over-wing jet bridges. I do hope I am wrong about that, but it sure did look that way.
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Re: IMAGES: KLM 747 at AMS 1971-1991

Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:42 pm

You know...by today's standards the delivery livery of KLM's 747's is quite boring & unimaginative, but it sure as hell is a gorgeous classic!! (if that oxymoron makes sense LOL)

Magnificent job, by the way!
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Re: IMAGES: KLM 747 at AMS 1971-1991

Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:44 pm

DarkSnowyNight wrote:
Very Good. But from the last few times I have been through there, it looks like they have gotten rid of the over-wing jet bridges. I do hope I am wrong about that, but it sure did look that way.


I've never been to AMS, but from pics I've seen, it does seem that they were done away with years ago, just like the few which were at the old IAB at JFK.
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Re: IMAGES: KLM 747 at AMS 1971-1991

Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:00 pm

cathay747 wrote:
DarkSnowyNight wrote:
Very Good. But from the last few times I have been through there, it looks like they have gotten rid of the over-wing jet bridges. I do hope I am wrong about that, but it sure did look that way.


I've never been to AMS, but from pics I've seen, it does seem that they were done away with years ago, just like the few which were at the old IAB at JFK.


Correct, they are gone and have been replaced by standard double bridges.
 
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Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:12 pm

cathay747 wrote:
DarkSnowyNight wrote:
Very Good. But from the last few times I have been through there, it looks like they have gotten rid of the over-wing jet bridges. I do hope I am wrong about that, but it sure did look that way.


I've never been to AMS, but from pics I've seen, it does seem that they were done away with years ago, just like the few which were at the old IAB at JFK.

Gates E20 and E22 still had the over-wing bridges in April 2019. See Google Earth.
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Re: IMAGES: KLM 747 at AMS 1971-1991

Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:49 pm

airporthistory wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
DarkSnowyNight wrote:
Very Good. But from the last few times I have been through there, it looks like they have gotten rid of the over-wing jet bridges. I do hope I am wrong about that, but it sure did look that way.


I've never been to AMS, but from pics I've seen, it does seem that they were done away with years ago, just like the few which were at the old IAB at JFK.


Correct, they are gone and have been replaced by standard double bridges.

A Youtube video made today and posted an hour ago still shows two over-wing exits.
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Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:09 pm

UA947 wrote:
airporthistory wrote:
cathay747 wrote:

I've never been to AMS, but from pics I've seen, it does seem that they were done away with years ago, just like the few which were at the old IAB at JFK.


Correct, they are gone and have been replaced by standard double bridges.

A Youtube video made today and posted an hour ago still shows two over-wing exits.


Indeed, I stand corrected!
 
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Thu Mar 26, 2020 4:59 pm

Lovely! Thank you so much! Dutch aviation will never the same after The Queen has left KLM after almost 50 years!
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Re: IMAGES: KLM 747 at AMS 1971-1991

Thu Mar 26, 2020 5:30 pm

Well done! I loved your amazing photos and commentary. Very special for me, as I worked for Finnair at Schiphol from 1972-1975, and remember very well admiring the beautiful 747 aircraft, which you captured so well! I was gratified to also see a Finnair Super Caravelle in one of the photos. You really managed to grasp every angle of the beautiful 747. Such a beautiful review, and I will come back to it often. Thank You!
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Re: IMAGES: KLM 747 at AMS 1971-1991

Thu Mar 26, 2020 5:39 pm

This was great! Thank you for sharing it here. That livery is iconic.
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Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:10 pm

AY104 wrote:
Well done! I loved your amazing photos and commentary. Very special for me, as I worked for Finnair at Schiphol from 1972-1975, and remember very well admiring the beautiful 747 aircraft, which you captured so well! I was gratified to also see a Finnair Super Caravelle in one of the photos. You really managed to grasp every angle of the beautiful 747. Such a beautiful review, and I will come back to it often. Thank You!


Hi, your welcome! I have a pile of great images from that period, which I will use for my upcoming history of AMS. I think I have pics of Finnair Caravelles at AMS too. I'll try to dig it up for you. Drop me a pm with your coordinates.
 
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Thu Mar 26, 2020 6:30 pm

Thanks for sharing!

I don't mean to hijack your thread, but the last KLM passenger 747 will arrive from MEX this Sunday, March 29th at around 15:00 local time. It can be followed on YouTube on the NH Airtime channel. Just in case anyone missed this in the KLM 747 phase-out thread.
 
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Re: IMAGES: KLM 747 at AMS 1971-1991

Thu Mar 26, 2020 8:55 pm

incredible. amazing tribute, and KLM remains one of my favorite airlines to watch given how much they love their aviation history and cherish it by commemorating it with the rest of the world.

FWIW, the first KLM 747 i flew on was a COMBI from AMS-ORD, during which we diverted to MKE as a result of a rainstorm that shut down ORD. we then flew the shortest 747 ride ever from MKE to ORD :)

interesting that this story excludes the Tenerife disaster, but there's enough bad news in the world to talk about these days....
 
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Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:04 pm

IrishAyes wrote:
incredible. amazing tribute, and KLM remains one of my favorite airlines to watch given how much they love their aviation history and cherish it by commemorating it with the rest of the world.

FWIW, the first KLM 747 i flew on was a COMBI from AMS-ORD, during which we diverted to MKE as a result of a rainstorm that shut down ORD. we then flew the shortest 747 ride ever from MKE to ORD :)

interesting that this story excludes the Tenerife disaster, but there's enough bad news in the world to talk about these days....


Hi there, happy you liked it! AirportHistory.org is about airports so that that's the angle I took: great pics of KLMs 747s at her homebase of AMS. Of course Tenerife is a major milestone, albeit a negative one, but that's outside the scope of what I do.
 
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Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:22 pm

What was the most 747s in the fleet at one time? It is mentioned 1991 was the height of 747 operations, probably many of 744s were for expansion while some replaced the early batch of 742s. KL had 22 744s by 2002 and 22-23 742s/743s total over the years? Great shot with 8 of different versions in one frame.
 
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Thu Mar 26, 2020 9:49 pm

I’m sure it has been asked and answered before. However why were the overwing jet bridges removed? They seem like an efficient way of boarding a large aircraft.
 
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Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:07 pm

UA947 wrote:
cathay747 wrote:
DarkSnowyNight wrote:
Very Good. But from the last few times I have been through there, it looks like they have gotten rid of the over-wing jet bridges. I do hope I am wrong about that, but it sure did look that way.


I've never been to AMS, but from pics I've seen, it does seem that they were done away with years ago, just like the few which were at the old IAB at JFK.

Gates E20 and E22 still had the over-wing bridges in April 2019. See Google Earth.


Absolutely. Here's the link:

https://www.google.fr/maps/place/Amsterdam+Airport+Schiphol/@52.3129671,4.7683117,345m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x47c5e134e0fd162d:0xc7d51583f1cef188!8m2!3d52.3105386!4d4.7682744
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Re: IMAGES: KLM 747 at AMS 1971-1991

Thu Mar 26, 2020 10:26 pm

Just a quick reminder how fast this world is going.

Thank you for posting this, what a beatifull images and story. These days are still missed with B747 classics, KLM and NW DC-10’s filling up the E and F peers at Ams.
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Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:00 am

Beautiful and nostalgic. KLM ATL-AMS was my very first international flight in 1985. AMS and the city of Amsterdam (well, really all of the Netherlands) are dear to my heart.
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Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:53 am

airporthistory wrote:
AY104 wrote:
Well done! I loved your amazing photos and commentary. Very special for me, as I worked for Finnair at Schiphol from 1972-1975, and remember very well admiring the beautiful 747 aircraft, which you captured so well! I was gratified to also see a Finnair Super Caravelle in one of the photos. You really managed to grasp every angle of the beautiful 747. Such a beautiful review, and I will come back to it often. Thank You!


Hi, your welcome! I have a pile of great images from that period, which I will use for my upcoming history of AMS. I think I have pics of Finnair Caravelles at AMS too. I'll try to dig it up for you. Drop me a pm with your coordinates.


AMS Schiphol history is not complete without pictures of the long time (daily) Finnair operation with DC8-60 and DC10-30 routing HEL-AMS-JFK, the outbound AY103 and inbound AY104 flights often met at AMS. On Saturdays only flights AY101/AY102 operated HEL-CPH-AMS-JFK-AMS-CPH-HEL.

In the 1970's Finnair operated 4x frequencies daily at AMS: 2x DC8-60 and 2x CVF Caravelle, that is double the frequency of regular scheduled service in 2020.


 
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Fri Mar 27, 2020 8:47 am

Great pictures

I definitely prefer the original livery KLM’s 747 Classics were delivered with


Then again that’s the case with most airlines for me these days, what passes for a paint scheme just gets worse and worse I think with a few notable exceptions like SIA who know better than to tamper for no reason
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Fri Mar 27, 2020 12:09 pm

factsonly wrote:
AMS Schiphol history is not complete without pictures of the long time (daily) Finnair operation with DC8-60 and DC10-30 routing HEL-AMS-JFK, the outbound AY103 and inbound AY104 flights often met at AMS. On Saturdays only flights AY101/AY102 operated HEL-CPH-AMS-JFK-AMS-CPH-HEL.


If the in an outbound flights met in AMS, the inbound one must have been late from the look at this timetable:
http://timetableimages.com/ttimages/ay/ay71/ay71-03.jpg
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Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:29 pm

Max Q wrote:
Great pictures

I definitely prefer the original livery KLM’s 747 Classics were delivered with

Then again that’s the case with most airlines for me these days, what passes for a paint scheme just gets worse and worse I think with a few notable exceptions like SIA who know better than to tamper for no reason


I agree. The old livery, also the blue livery from the late 70s and 80s was somehow very dignified and noble. The current livery is a bit too playful for my taste. Then again, it might be an age thing. Somehow the stuff from your youth is always way better. ;-)

jimmy9irons wrote:
I’m sure it has been asked and answered before. However why were the overwing jet bridges removed? They seem like an efficient way of boarding a large aircraft.


According to my understanding they were not very easy to operate. Also, at a later stage they became less necessary as KLM had a big fleet of 747 combis, where they bridge could not be used and did not need to be used because of the lower number of passengers on board. I also know that the bridges could not be connected to the 777 because of the wing design. Anyway, it was always a bit of an over designed contraption (although very cool looking). Two standard bridges on the forward two doors, like they have now, do the job fine!
 
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Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:16 pm

Fantastic work! I especially love the picture of the DC-10 taxiing past The Amazon...so many classic airliners in that shot...747, 707, DC10, DC9, DC8, Electra...what a great era to be a plane spotter!!
 
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Re: Images: KLM 747 at AMS 1971-1991

Fri Mar 27, 2020 11:05 pm

Beautiful collection!! Definitely one of the most iconic carriers of the 747!
 
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:36 am

airporthistory wrote:
Max Q wrote:
Great pictures

I definitely prefer the original livery KLM’s 747 Classics were delivered with

Then again that’s the case with most airlines for me these days, what passes for a paint scheme just gets worse and worse I think with a few notable exceptions like SIA who know better than to tamper for no reason


I agree. The old livery, also the blue livery from the late 70s and 80s was somehow very dignified and noble. The current livery is a bit too playful for my taste. Then again, it might be an age thing. Somehow the stuff from your youth is always way better. ;-)

jimmy9irons wrote:
I’m sure it has been asked and answered before. However why were the overwing jet bridges removed? They seem like an efficient way of boarding a large aircraft.


According to my understanding they were not very easy to operate. Also, at a later stage they became less necessary as KLM had a big fleet of 747 combis, where they bridge could not be used and did not need to be used because of the lower number of passengers on board. I also know that the bridges could not be connected to the 777 because of the wing design. Anyway, it was always a bit of an over designed contraption (although very cool looking). Two standard bridges on the forward two doors, like they have now, do the job fine!



Could have sworn I’ve seen pictures of the overwing bridge connected on a 747 Combi
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Re: IMAGES: KLM 747 at AMS 1971-1991

Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:01 am

Max Q wrote:
airporthistory wrote:
Max Q wrote:
Great pictures

I definitely prefer the original livery KLM’s 747 Classics were delivered with

Then again that’s the case with most airlines for me these days, what passes for a paint scheme just gets worse and worse I think with a few notable exceptions like SIA who know better than to tamper for no reason


I agree. The old livery, also the blue livery from the late 70s and 80s was somehow very dignified and noble. The current livery is a bit too playful for my taste. Then again, it might be an age thing. Somehow the stuff from your youth is always way better. ;-)

jimmy9irons wrote:
I’m sure it has been asked and answered before. However why were the overwing jet bridges removed? They seem like an efficient way of boarding a large aircraft.


According to my understanding they were not very easy to operate. Also, at a later stage they became less necessary as KLM had a big fleet of 747 combis, where they bridge could not be used and did not need to be used because of the lower number of passengers on board. I also know that the bridges could not be connected to the 777 because of the wing design. Anyway, it was always a bit of an over designed contraption (although very cool looking). Two standard bridges on the forward two doors, like they have now, do the job fine!



Could have sworn I’ve seen pictures of the overwing bridge connected on a 747 Combi

I've boarded a few times through the overwing on a combi.
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:16 am

I looked it up on Google, but am I correct about the following 747 variants?
- The 747-200SUD is a regular 747-200 with a stretched upper deck, which was later adapted by Boeing and/or the airline.
- The 747-300 is a 747-200SUD which was factory made, and not later installed?

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