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Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:29 am

Seeking confirmation on this.

Is Qantas retiring its remaining five 747-400ERs on Sunday once the final flight touches down?

Is the final flight QF28 from Santiago to Sydney? Operated using VH-OEE, but it looks like the flight won't be leaving until tomorrow?

https://twitter.com/www16Right/status/1 ... 6393993217
 
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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:40 am

Ishrion wrote:
Seeking confirmation on this.

Is Qantas retiring its remaining five 747-400ERs on Sunday once the final flight touches down?

Is the final flight QF28 from Santiago to Sydney? Operated using VH-OEE, but it looks like the flight won't be leaving until tomorrow?

https://twitter.com/www16Right/status/1 ... 6393993217


I can’t confirm myself but it seems unlikely to me that they will fly again for QF given the circumstances unless they do some repatriation flights with them?

QF28 looks to have had 24+ hrs at SCL, same crew flying it back? Not sure what happened to the previous crew if that’s the case though.

It doesn’t look like QF25 to HND left on the 27th, and QF63 to JNB cancelled
 
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:47 am

I asked the Australian aviation forum this very question yesterday. According to qf789 they where sold to GE.
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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:08 am

A follow up tweet suggests that this is just the engines, GE ones at that. Lets not get too carried away just yet...
 
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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:59 am

Too bad it had to end like this, Qantas had has a distinguished association with the 747 for 50 years. No other airline has stretched the the Jumbos range like Qantas. The Red Roo will hopefully continue their Boeing tradition with 777-9 and more 787-9.
 
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:28 pm

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...Qantas had has a distinguished association with the 747 for 50 years.


And flew all models except the -8I.
 
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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:04 pm

jfk777 wrote:
Too bad it had to end like this, Qantas had has a distinguished association with the 747 for 50 years. No other airline has stretched the the Jumbos range like Qantas. The Red Roo will hopefully continue their Boeing tradition with 777-9 and more 787-9.


They have only operated the 747 for 48 years, 7 months and 12 days
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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:33 pm

jfk777 wrote:
Too bad it had to end like this, Qantas had has a distinguished association with the 747 for 50 years. No other airline has stretched the the Jumbos range like Qantas. The Red Roo will hopefully continue their Boeing tradition with 777-9 and more 787-9.

The B777-9 I really doubt, the B787-9 almost certainly. Although who knows what any airline will do once the pandemic passes?

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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:36 pm

Gemuser wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
Too bad it had to end like this, Qantas had has a distinguished association with the 747 for 50 years. No other airline has stretched the the Jumbos range like Qantas. The Red Roo will hopefully continue their Boeing tradition with 777-9 and more 787-9.

The B777-9 I really doubt, the B787-9 almost certainly. Although who knows what any airline will do once the pandemic passes?

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When the A380 gets retired, what is going to replace them ? The 777-9 is bigger than an A350-1000, Airbus doesn't make an A350-1100.
 
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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:32 pm

Looks like SCL-SYD is confirmed to be departing 24 hours late. Set to depart in about 2 hours.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA28
 
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:37 pm

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jfk777 wrote:
...Qantas had has a distinguished association with the 747 for 50 years.


And flew all models except the -8I.


You're incorrect, they never operated the Boeing 747-100 either.

All the rest though... 747-200B, 747-200 Combi, 747SP, 747-300, 747-400 and 747-400ER.
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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:43 pm

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When the A380 gets retired, what is going to replace them ? The 777-9 is bigger than an A350-1000, Airbus doesn't make an A350-1100.


Who knows how this will end, the A380, 747, and A330 may all have already retired, we just don’t know how long this will last. No airline can afford not to fly widebodies at all.
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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:57 pm

Do you mean A330 or A340?.
 
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:07 pm

Has anyone noticed that every QF 747 retirement over the past two years have come with a rumor saying they are being sold to GE or RR? I know it was correct with VH-OJU but these five birds are definitely not going to GE. As mentioned above, I think sometimes the engines go back to the manufacture and that is what causes confusion. The only thing that is confirmed is these airplanes will be leaving Australia within the next week or so and most likely they only have a one way ticket.
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:48 pm

ClassicLover wrote:
Boeing727 wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
...Qantas had has a distinguished association with the 747 for 50 years.


And flew all models except the -8I.


You're incorrect, they never operated the Boeing 747-100 either.

All the rest though... 747-200B, 747-200 Combi, 747SP, 747-300, 747-400 and 747-400ER.

I've not flown every type of 747, but if not for Qantas I'd never have the 200, 300 and 400ER.
 
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:54 pm

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Who also made the error in their article that I corrected above - "Qantas has been an operator of the Boeing 747 since 1971 when it operated the 747-100" - wonder where they sourced that from :roll:
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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:59 pm

ClassicLover wrote:
Ishrion wrote:


Who also made the error in their article that I corrected above - "Qantas has been an operator of the Boeing 747 since 1971 when it operated the 747-100" - wonder where they sourced that from :roll:


Well, that’s great. Retirement’s still up in the air I guess.
 
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:00 pm

It's bad enough to be checking Wikipedia for veracity, and now it's Twitter posts? Maybe the guy is right - he's got a 50/50 chance - but there are real news sources (Reuters, NYT, WSJ, NHK) and industry sources (Leeham, CAPA...) with journalistic training, standards, and fact-checking protocols.
 
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:21 pm

ClassicLover wrote:
Boeing727 wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
...Qantas had has a distinguished association with the 747 for 50 years.


And flew all models except the -8I.


You're incorrect, they never operated the Boeing 747-100 either.

All the rest though... 747-200B, 747-200 Combi, 747SP, 747-300, 747-400 and 747-400ER.


If you want to be this pedantic, they never flew the 744D or 744 Combi either.
 
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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:50 pm

Looks like QF28's delayed again?
 
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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:53 pm

PhilMcCrackin wrote:
ClassicLover wrote:
Boeing727 wrote:

And flew all models except the -8I.


You're incorrect, they never operated the Boeing 747-100 either.

All the rest though... 747-200B, 747-200 Combi, 747SP, 747-300, 747-400 and 747-400ER.


If you want to be this pedantic, they never flew the 744D or 744 Combi either.


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Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:38 pm

PhilMcCrackin wrote:
ClassicLover wrote:
Boeing727 wrote:

And flew all models except the -8I.


You're incorrect, they never operated the Boeing 747-100 either.

All the rest though... 747-200B, 747-200 Combi, 747SP, 747-300, 747-400 and 747-400ER.


If you want to be this pedantic, they never flew the 744D or 744 Combi either.

Also the 747-100SR, as well as pure freighters.

Although if you wanted to simplify it to just major subtypes (-100, -200, -300, -400, -8) you could argue the -100 since the 747SP is a -100, with some very significant structural differences obviously.

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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:28 pm

ClassicLover wrote:
Boeing727 wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
...Qantas had has a distinguished association with the 747 for 50 years.


And flew all models except the -8I.


You're incorrect, they never operated the Boeing 747-100 either.

All the rest though... 747-200B, 747-200 Combi, 747SP, 747-300, 747-400 and 747-400ER.


I was under the impression that "Spirit Of Sir Freddie" G-VMIA flew for Qantas as VH-EEI in the late 1980s before joining Virgin Atlantic...probably wrong.
 
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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:45 pm

Boeing727 wrote:
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Boeing727 wrote:

And flew all models except the -8I.


You're incorrect, they never operated the Boeing 747-100 either.

All the rest though... 747-200B, 747-200 Combi, 747SP, 747-300, 747-400 and 747-400ER.


I was under the impression that "Spirit Of Sir Freddie" G-VMIA flew for Qantas as VH-EEI in the late 1980s before joining Virgin Atlantic...probably wrong.

It appears you’re right. There was apparently one from TowerAir too:



1st flight 28.10.70 as N9669, del to American Airlines 27.11.70. To N14136, (LX-NCV), G-HIHO, VH-EEI Qantas (lsf Citicorp) 8.2.88, sub-leased to Air Pacific from 4.88. Rereg EI-CAI 15.11.89 leased to Aer Lingus, but still sub-leased to Qantas, as seen here on a Bali service from Perth. Only wore this reg for 4 months. Rereg VH-EEI again when lease ended 23.3.90, and re-registered same day as G-VMIA Virgin Atlantic. WFS 15.1.00 at Gatwick, ferried to Kemble & WFU 19.1.00. TT 84293 hrs, 18387 landings, reg cancelled 28.1.00, BU 16-20.3.00.


A Tower Air Boeing 747-131 at Tullamarine in December 1987, 20 months before the Infamous 'Pilots Strike'. The label under the name 'Tower Air' on the forward fuselage of this early model Boeing 747 reads 'On Lease to QANTAS'. The lease gave QANTAS extra capacity when bookings were heavy. Australian Aviation Magazine records that N93117 flew LAX-MEL as QF18/QF12 arriving 14Dec1987 (presumably the first 'Lease' Flight).


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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:57 pm

VirginFlyer wrote:
Boeing727 wrote:
ClassicLover wrote:

You're incorrect, they never operated the Boeing 747-100 either.

All the rest though... 747-200B, 747-200 Combi, 747SP, 747-300, 747-400 and 747-400ER.


I was under the impression that "Spirit Of Sir Freddie" G-VMIA flew for Qantas as VH-EEI in the late 1980s before joining Virgin Atlantic...probably wrong.

It appears you’re right. There was apparently one from TowerAir too:



1st flight 28.10.70 as N9669, del to American Airlines 27.11.70. To N14136, (LX-NCV), G-HIHO, VH-EEI Qantas (lsf Citicorp) 8.2.88, sub-leased to Air Pacific from 4.88. Rereg EI-CAI 15.11.89 leased to Aer Lingus, but still sub-leased to Qantas, as seen here on a Bali service from Perth. Only wore this reg for 4 months. Rereg VH-EEI again when lease ended 23.3.90, and re-registered same day as G-VMIA Virgin Atlantic. WFS 15.1.00 at Gatwick, ferried to Kemble & WFU 19.1.00. TT 84293 hrs, 18387 landings, reg cancelled 28.1.00, BU 16-20.3.00.


A Tower Air Boeing 747-131 at Tullamarine in December 1987, 20 months before the Infamous 'Pilots Strike'. The label under the name 'Tower Air' on the forward fuselage of this early model Boeing 747 reads 'On Lease to QANTAS'. The lease gave QANTAS extra capacity when bookings were heavy. Australian Aviation Magazine records that N93117 flew LAX-MEL as QF18/QF12 arriving 14Dec1987 (presumably the first 'Lease' Flight).


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Looks like they also had 747-100 EI-BED?

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Qantas
 
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:05 pm

qf789 wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
Too bad it had to end like this, Qantas had has a distinguished association with the 747 for 50 years. No other airline has stretched the the Jumbos range like Qantas. The Red Roo will hopefully continue their Boeing tradition with 777-9 and more 787-9.


They have only operated the 747 for 48 years, 7 months and 12 days


Are they actually being retired?
 
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:18 pm

Boeing727 wrote:
ClassicLover wrote:
Boeing727 wrote:

And flew all models except the -8I.


You're incorrect, they never operated the Boeing 747-100 either.

All the rest though... 747-200B, 747-200 Combi, 747SP, 747-300, 747-400 and 747-400ER.


I was under the impression that "Spirit Of Sir Freddie" G-VMIA flew for Qantas as VH-EEI in the late 1980s before joining Virgin Atlantic...probably wrong.


According to Airfleets it sure did:
https://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b747-20108.htm
 
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:24 pm

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Looks like they also had 747-100 EI-BED?

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Qantas


The Boeing 747-100s you mention were wet leases (which includes the flight crew) to cover extremely busy periods of demand.

They never appeared on the Australian register, never appeared in Qantas livery and were only there for temporary periods of up to three months.

I don't believe they really count as "Qantas operated".
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Has anyone noticed that every QF 747 retirement over the past two years have come with a rumor saying they are being sold to GE or RR? I know it was correct with VH-OJU but these five birds are definitely not going to GE. As mentioned above, I think sometimes the engines go back to the manufacture and that is what causes confusion. The only thing that is confirmed is these airplanes will be leaving Australia within the next week or so and most likely they only have a one way ticket.


Curious as to where you heard they were leaving Australia within the next week? I had heard they would go to ASP for storage initially.
 
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Are they actually being retired?


This is what I’m wondering
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:50 pm

ClassicLover wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Looks like they also had 747-100 EI-BED?

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/Qantas


The Boeing 747-100s you mention were wet leases (which includes the flight crew) to cover extremely busy periods of demand.

They never appeared on the Australian register, never appeared in Qantas livery and were only there for temporary periods of up to three months.

I don't believe they really count as "Qantas operated".


According to this there was 1 on the Australian registrar at least, interesting QF leased this bird twice and sub leased it to FJ. I agree though QF never actually operated the 741 themselves.

VirginFlyer wrote:
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ClassicLover wrote:

You're incorrect, they never operated the Boeing 747-100 either.

All the rest though... 747-200B, 747-200 Combi, 747SP, 747-300, 747-400 and 747-400ER.


I was under the impression that "Spirit Of Sir Freddie" G-VMIA flew for Qantas as VH-EEI in the late 1980s before joining Virgin Atlantic...probably wrong.

It appears you’re right. There was apparently one from TowerAir too:



1st flight 28.10.70 as N9669, del to American Airlines 27.11.70. To N14136, (LX-NCV), G-HIHO, VH-EEI Qantas (lsf Citicorp) 8.2.88, sub-leased to Air Pacific from 4.88. Rereg EI-CAI 15.11.89 leased to Aer Lingus, but still sub-leased to Qantas, as seen here on a Bali service from Perth. Only wore this reg for 4 months. Rereg VH-EEI again when lease ended 23.3.90, and re-registered same day as G-VMIA Virgin Atlantic. WFS 15.1.00 at Gatwick, ferried to Kemble & WFU 19.1.00. TT 84293 hrs, 18387 landings, reg cancelled 28.1.00, BU 16-20.3.00.


A Tower Air Boeing 747-131 at Tullamarine in December 1987, 20 months before the Infamous 'Pilots Strike'. The label under the name 'Tower Air' on the forward fuselage of this early model Boeing 747 reads 'On Lease to QANTAS'. The lease gave QANTAS extra capacity when bookings were heavy. Australian Aviation Magazine records that N93117 flew LAX-MEL as QF18/QF12 arriving 14Dec1987 (presumably the first 'Lease' Flight).


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Sat Mar 28, 2020 8:52 pm

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Arion640 wrote:
Are they actually being retired?


This is what I’m wondering


Let’s be honest given the times it really seems quite unlikely that they will fly again for QF, they will be grounded with the rest of the fleet for sometime, retraining may be required for pilots in which case they may as well be retrained in other types.

Even the A380 is interesting here, will all 12 fly again? Maybe not straight away but they may be brought back over time as demand builds?
 
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:14 pm

VirginFlyer wrote:
PhilMcCrackin wrote:
ClassicLover wrote:

You're incorrect, they never operated the Boeing 747-100 either.

All the rest though... 747-200B, 747-200 Combi, 747SP, 747-300, 747-400 and 747-400ER.


If you want to be this pedantic, they never flew the 744D or 744 Combi either.

Also the 747-100SR, as well as pure freighters.

Although if you wanted to simplify it to just major subtypes (-100, -200, -300, -400, -8) you could argue the -100 since the 747SP is a -100, with some very significant structural differences obviously.

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Sat Mar 28, 2020 9:31 pm

MADPYRO wrote:
VirginFlyer wrote:
PhilMcCrackin wrote:

If you want to be this pedantic, they never flew the 744D or 744 Combi either.

Also the 747-100SR, as well as pure freighters.

Although if you wanted to simplify it to just major subtypes (-100, -200, -300, -400, -8) you could argue the -100 since the 747SP is a -100, with some very significant structural differences obviously.

V/F


Don't forget the 747-200B SUD conversion!


Basically I’d see it as there is the 741, 742, 743, 744, 74L, 748, then all the sub types of these, 741SUD, 741SF, 741SR, 742F, 742SUD, 742M, 742SF, 743SF, 743SR, 743M 744F, 744BCF, 744M, 744ER, 744D, 748F.

Probably others to, or maybe I made some of those up?

QF had
74L, 742, 743, 744 then 742M, 744ER
 
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:05 pm

Qantas did own one 747-100. It was a ex American Airlines that Qantas bought in the late 1980s. I believe the tail number was VH-EEI. They also operated but didnt own two more 747-100s. One was a lease from Aer Lingus a 747-130 EI-BED 30/11/1987-14/12/1988 and 747-131 I believe from Tower Air N93117 01/11/1987-01/03/1987. However none of these were in Qantas Livery at all.
 
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:41 pm

Is the really the end? It's hard to imagine the 747 will no longer be apart of the Qantas fleet.

https://fr24.com/QFA28/2449cf89

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Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:55 pm

Sam Chui is bringing the emotions in with a nice collection of Qantas 747 photos:

https://samchui.com/2020/03/28/qantas-t ... n_Vr4gzaiM
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:58 pm

ZK-NBT wrote:
sonicruiser wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
Are they actually being retired?


This is what I’m wondering


Let’s be honest given the times it really seems quite unlikely that they will fly again for QF, they will be grounded with the rest of the fleet for sometime, retraining may be required for pilots in which case they may as well be retrained in other types.

Even the A380 is interesting here, will all 12 fly again? Maybe not straight away but they may be brought back over time as demand builds?


I think they’ll all have to be brought back. I don’t think Qantas has enough 787’s to carry out all the long haul flying and 4 frames are required for LHR-SYD alone.

After this weekend, BA and Lufthansa will be the only large scale passenger 747-400 operators left.

Edit: There’s still Virgin atlantic too and I believe Thai have a small handful along with maybe China Airlines.
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:00 pm

KLM retires its 744 fleet also tomorrow, after 49 yrs of 747 operations. Decided a week ago.. Spotter are forbidden to take a shot, around 15:00, because of Corona.
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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:09 pm

AKL321NX wrote:
ClassicLover wrote:
Boeing727 wrote:

And flew all models except the -8I.


You're incorrect, they never operated the Boeing 747-100 either.

All the rest though... 747-200B, 747-200 Combi, 747SP, 747-300, 747-400 and 747-400ER.

I've not flown every type of 747, but if not for Qantas I'd never have the 200, 300 and 400ER.


My only flight in a 747 300 was with Qantas

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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:47 pm

bennett123 wrote:
Do you mean A330 or A340?.


A330, if this keeps fleets grounded for long QF will not be anything like it was before.

VirginFlyer wrote:
Also the 747-100SR, as well as pure freighters.


You do see pure 747 freighters with QF flight numbers and call signs, wet leased from Altlas.
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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:01 am

Arion640 wrote:
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This is what I’m wondering


Let’s be honest given the times it really seems quite unlikely that they will fly again for QF, they will be grounded with the rest of the fleet for sometime, retraining may be required for pilots in which case they may as well be retrained in other types.

Even the A380 is interesting here, will all 12 fly again? Maybe not straight away but they may be brought back over time as demand builds?


I think they’ll all have to be brought back. I don’t think Qantas has enough 787’s to carry out all the long haul flying and 4 frames are required for LHR-SYD alone.

After this weekend, BA and Lufthansa will be the only large scale passenger 747-400 operators left.

Edit: There’s still Virgin atlantic too and I believe Thai have a small handful along with maybe China Airlines.


QF actually need 4 789 for a LHR-PER-MEL-LAX daily vv rotation. I think it will take some time for things to fully bounce back so some 789 routes like BNE/MEL-SFO might not come back straight away and use an A380 ex SYD for example, possibly less than daily.
 
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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:42 am

jfk777 wrote:
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Too bad it had to end like this, Qantas had has a distinguished association with the 747 for 50 years. No other airline has stretched the the Jumbos range like Qantas. The Red Roo will hopefully continue their Boeing tradition with 777-9 and more 787-9.

The B777-9 I really doubt, the B787-9 almost certainly. Although who knows what any airline will do once the pandemic passes?

Gemuser


When the A380 gets retired, what is going to replace them ? The 777-9 is bigger than an A350-1000, Airbus doesn't make an A350-1100.

Who knows? After the virus will QF ever need a plane bigger than the B789? The A350s that are being [maybe] brought for range not capacity. QF International was already in the process of reshaping itself [hence Project Sunrise] who knows what changes to current plans/new plans will come out of the current crisis.

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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:48 am

Arion640 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
sonicruiser wrote:

This is what I’m wondering


Let’s be honest given the times it really seems quite unlikely that they will fly again for QF, they will be grounded with the rest of the fleet for sometime, retraining may be required for pilots in which case they may as well be retrained in other types.

Even the A380 is interesting here, will all 12 fly again? Maybe not straight away but they may be brought back over time as demand builds?


I think they’ll all have to be brought back. I don’t think Qantas has enough 787’s to carry out all the long haul flying and 4 frames are required for LHR-SYD alone.

After this weekend, BA and Lufthansa will be the only large scale passenger 747-400 operators left.

Edit: There’s still Virgin atlantic too and I believe Thai have a small handful along with maybe China Airlines.

China Airlines only has 74F's now - Air China still has pax 747's - is that who you were thinking of?
 
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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:56 am

ER757 wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:

Let’s be honest given the times it really seems quite unlikely that they will fly again for QF, they will be grounded with the rest of the fleet for sometime, retraining may be required for pilots in which case they may as well be retrained in other types.

Even the A380 is interesting here, will all 12 fly again? Maybe not straight away but they may be brought back over time as demand builds?


I think they’ll all have to be brought back. I don’t think Qantas has enough 787’s to carry out all the long haul flying and 4 frames are required for LHR-SYD alone.

After this weekend, BA and Lufthansa will be the only large scale passenger 747-400 operators left.

Edit: There’s still Virgin atlantic too and I believe Thai have a small handful along with maybe China Airlines.

China Airlines only has 74F's now - Air China still has pax 747's - is that who you were thinking of?


China Airlines still has 4 747-400s left in its fleet, but they’re all stored for now.
 
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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Sun Mar 29, 2020 2:08 am

According to the following, who is a QF A330 captain no final decision has been made of the 747's as of yet

https://twitter.com/Keg767/status/12440 ... 59905?s=20
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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:59 am

Williambaker08 wrote:
Qantas did own one 747-100. It was a ex American Airlines that Qantas bought in the late 1980s. I believe the tail number was VH-EEI. They also operated but didnt own two more 747-100s. One was a lease from Aer Lingus a 747-130 EI-BED 30/11/1987-14/12/1988 and 747-131 I believe from Tower Air N93117 01/11/1987-01/03/1987. However none of these were in Qantas Livery at all.


You are wrong, they did not own a Boeing 747-100. The exact information for that frame is from here and the relevant portion is below.

The aircraft was leased to Qantas Airways Ltd as the registered operator - ?

Arrived Singapore on completion of the ferry flight (Captain C. Viertal) as QF500D - March 02, 1988

Ferry route: Brussels - Bahrain - Singapore

The aircraft entered maintenance and repaint into the Air Pacific livery at Singapore - March 02, 1988

Entered onto Australian Aircraft Register as VH-EEI - March 11, 1988

Registered to Citibank North America

Arrived Sydney (Kingsford Smith) on completion of the ferry flight from Singapore as QF500D - April 13, 1988

The aircraft was named 'Island of Viti Levu'

It operated its first revenue service with Air Pacific Sydney (Kingsford Smith) - Nadi as FJ911 - April 27, 1988

Leased to Aer Lingus and sub-leased to Qantas Airways - November 15, 1989

Cancelled from Australian Aircraft Register - November 21, 1989

Entered onto Irish Aircraft Register as EI-CAI - November 21, 1989

It arrived at Sydney (Kingsford Smith) after operating the final revenue service as QF21 - March 19, 1990

Returned to Citicorp at the end of the lease - March 19, 1990

Cancelled from Irish Aircraft Register - March 23, 1990

Entered onto Australian Aircraft Register as VH-EEI - March 23, 1990

Ferried Sydney (Kingsford Smith) - Auckland (Captain C. Viertal) as QF500D - March 23, 1990

Entered heavy maintenance with Air New Zealand Engineering - March 23, 1990

Cancelled from Australian Aircraft Register - March 23, 1990

The aircraft had flown 43,900 hours with 12,284 cycles to date

Entered onto the British Aircraft Register as G-VMIA - March 23, 1990

Leased to Virgin Atlantic Airways as the registered operator
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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Sun Mar 29, 2020 9:09 am

The Qantas 747 fleet was sold in the early hours of Friday morning and will ferry to Mojave in the coming weeks. That flight from SCL was the end of a chapter in Australian history. Thanks jumbo!

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