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Ishrion wrote:Seeking confirmation on this.
Is Qantas retiring its remaining five 747-400ERs on Sunday once the final flight touches down?
Is the final flight QF28 from Santiago to Sydney? Operated using VH-OEE, but it looks like the flight won't be leaving until tomorrow?
https://twitter.com/www16Right/status/1 ... 6393993217
jfk777 wrote:...Qantas had has a distinguished association with the 747 for 50 years.
jfk777 wrote:Too bad it had to end like this, Qantas had has a distinguished association with the 747 for 50 years. No other airline has stretched the the Jumbos range like Qantas. The Red Roo will hopefully continue their Boeing tradition with 777-9 and more 787-9.
jfk777 wrote:Too bad it had to end like this, Qantas had has a distinguished association with the 747 for 50 years. No other airline has stretched the the Jumbos range like Qantas. The Red Roo will hopefully continue their Boeing tradition with 777-9 and more 787-9.
Gemuser wrote:jfk777 wrote:Too bad it had to end like this, Qantas had has a distinguished association with the 747 for 50 years. No other airline has stretched the the Jumbos range like Qantas. The Red Roo will hopefully continue their Boeing tradition with 777-9 and more 787-9.
The B777-9 I really doubt, the B787-9 almost certainly. Although who knows what any airline will do once the pandemic passes?
Gemuser
Boeing727 wrote:jfk777 wrote:...Qantas had has a distinguished association with the 747 for 50 years.
And flew all models except the -8I.
jfk777 wrote:When the A380 gets retired, what is going to replace them ? The 777-9 is bigger than an A350-1000, Airbus doesn't make an A350-1100.
ClassicLover wrote:Boeing727 wrote:jfk777 wrote:...Qantas had has a distinguished association with the 747 for 50 years.
And flew all models except the -8I.
You're incorrect, they never operated the Boeing 747-100 either.
All the rest though... 747-200B, 747-200 Combi, 747SP, 747-300, 747-400 and 747-400ER.
Ishrion wrote:Now reported by IFN: https://www.ifn.news/posts/qantas-retir ... 747-fleet/
ClassicLover wrote:Ishrion wrote:Now reported by IFN: https://www.ifn.news/posts/qantas-retir ... 747-fleet/
Who also made the error in their article that I corrected above - "Qantas has been an operator of the Boeing 747 since 1971 when it operated the 747-100" - wonder where they sourced that from
ClassicLover wrote:Boeing727 wrote:jfk777 wrote:...Qantas had has a distinguished association with the 747 for 50 years.
And flew all models except the -8I.
You're incorrect, they never operated the Boeing 747-100 either.
All the rest though... 747-200B, 747-200 Combi, 747SP, 747-300, 747-400 and 747-400ER.
PhilMcCrackin wrote:ClassicLover wrote:Boeing727 wrote:
And flew all models except the -8I.
You're incorrect, they never operated the Boeing 747-100 either.
All the rest though... 747-200B, 747-200 Combi, 747SP, 747-300, 747-400 and 747-400ER.
If you want to be this pedantic, they never flew the 744D or 744 Combi either.
PhilMcCrackin wrote:ClassicLover wrote:Boeing727 wrote:
And flew all models except the -8I.
You're incorrect, they never operated the Boeing 747-100 either.
All the rest though... 747-200B, 747-200 Combi, 747SP, 747-300, 747-400 and 747-400ER.
If you want to be this pedantic, they never flew the 744D or 744 Combi either.
ClassicLover wrote:Boeing727 wrote:jfk777 wrote:...Qantas had has a distinguished association with the 747 for 50 years.
And flew all models except the -8I.
You're incorrect, they never operated the Boeing 747-100 either.
All the rest though... 747-200B, 747-200 Combi, 747SP, 747-300, 747-400 and 747-400ER.
Boeing727 wrote:ClassicLover wrote:Boeing727 wrote:
And flew all models except the -8I.
You're incorrect, they never operated the Boeing 747-100 either.
All the rest though... 747-200B, 747-200 Combi, 747SP, 747-300, 747-400 and 747-400ER.
I was under the impression that "Spirit Of Sir Freddie" G-VMIA flew for Qantas as VH-EEI in the late 1980s before joining Virgin Atlantic...probably wrong.
1st flight 28.10.70 as N9669, del to American Airlines 27.11.70. To N14136, (LX-NCV), G-HIHO, VH-EEI Qantas (lsf Citicorp) 8.2.88, sub-leased to Air Pacific from 4.88. Rereg EI-CAI 15.11.89 leased to Aer Lingus, but still sub-leased to Qantas, as seen here on a Bali service from Perth. Only wore this reg for 4 months. Rereg VH-EEI again when lease ended 23.3.90, and re-registered same day as G-VMIA Virgin Atlantic. WFS 15.1.00 at Gatwick, ferried to Kemble & WFU 19.1.00. TT 84293 hrs, 18387 landings, reg cancelled 28.1.00, BU 16-20.3.00.
A Tower Air Boeing 747-131 at Tullamarine in December 1987, 20 months before the Infamous 'Pilots Strike'. The label under the name 'Tower Air' on the forward fuselage of this early model Boeing 747 reads 'On Lease to QANTAS'. The lease gave QANTAS extra capacity when bookings were heavy. Australian Aviation Magazine records that N93117 flew LAX-MEL as QF18/QF12 arriving 14Dec1987 (presumably the first 'Lease' Flight).
VirginFlyer wrote:Boeing727 wrote:ClassicLover wrote:
You're incorrect, they never operated the Boeing 747-100 either.
All the rest though... 747-200B, 747-200 Combi, 747SP, 747-300, 747-400 and 747-400ER.
I was under the impression that "Spirit Of Sir Freddie" G-VMIA flew for Qantas as VH-EEI in the late 1980s before joining Virgin Atlantic...probably wrong.
It appears you’re right. There was apparently one from TowerAir too:
1st flight 28.10.70 as N9669, del to American Airlines 27.11.70. To N14136, (LX-NCV), G-HIHO, VH-EEI Qantas (lsf Citicorp) 8.2.88, sub-leased to Air Pacific from 4.88. Rereg EI-CAI 15.11.89 leased to Aer Lingus, but still sub-leased to Qantas, as seen here on a Bali service from Perth. Only wore this reg for 4 months. Rereg VH-EEI again when lease ended 23.3.90, and re-registered same day as G-VMIA Virgin Atlantic. WFS 15.1.00 at Gatwick, ferried to Kemble & WFU 19.1.00. TT 84293 hrs, 18387 landings, reg cancelled 28.1.00, BU 16-20.3.00.A Tower Air Boeing 747-131 at Tullamarine in December 1987, 20 months before the Infamous 'Pilots Strike'. The label under the name 'Tower Air' on the forward fuselage of this early model Boeing 747 reads 'On Lease to QANTAS'. The lease gave QANTAS extra capacity when bookings were heavy. Australian Aviation Magazine records that N93117 flew LAX-MEL as QF18/QF12 arriving 14Dec1987 (presumably the first 'Lease' Flight).
V/F
qf789 wrote:jfk777 wrote:Too bad it had to end like this, Qantas had has a distinguished association with the 747 for 50 years. No other airline has stretched the the Jumbos range like Qantas. The Red Roo will hopefully continue their Boeing tradition with 777-9 and more 787-9.
They have only operated the 747 for 48 years, 7 months and 12 days
Boeing727 wrote:ClassicLover wrote:Boeing727 wrote:
And flew all models except the -8I.
You're incorrect, they never operated the Boeing 747-100 either.
All the rest though... 747-200B, 747-200 Combi, 747SP, 747-300, 747-400 and 747-400ER.
I was under the impression that "Spirit Of Sir Freddie" G-VMIA flew for Qantas as VH-EEI in the late 1980s before joining Virgin Atlantic...probably wrong.
Ishrion wrote:
cruiseshipcrew wrote:Has anyone noticed that every QF 747 retirement over the past two years have come with a rumor saying they are being sold to GE or RR? I know it was correct with VH-OJU but these five birds are definitely not going to GE. As mentioned above, I think sometimes the engines go back to the manufacture and that is what causes confusion. The only thing that is confirmed is these airplanes will be leaving Australia within the next week or so and most likely they only have a one way ticket.
Arion640 wrote:Are they actually being retired?
ClassicLover wrote:Ishrion wrote:
The Boeing 747-100s you mention were wet leases (which includes the flight crew) to cover extremely busy periods of demand.
They never appeared on the Australian register, never appeared in Qantas livery and were only there for temporary periods of up to three months.
I don't believe they really count as "Qantas operated".
VirginFlyer wrote:Boeing727 wrote:ClassicLover wrote:
You're incorrect, they never operated the Boeing 747-100 either.
All the rest though... 747-200B, 747-200 Combi, 747SP, 747-300, 747-400 and 747-400ER.
I was under the impression that "Spirit Of Sir Freddie" G-VMIA flew for Qantas as VH-EEI in the late 1980s before joining Virgin Atlantic...probably wrong.
It appears you’re right. There was apparently one from TowerAir too:
1st flight 28.10.70 as N9669, del to American Airlines 27.11.70. To N14136, (LX-NCV), G-HIHO, VH-EEI Qantas (lsf Citicorp) 8.2.88, sub-leased to Air Pacific from 4.88. Rereg EI-CAI 15.11.89 leased to Aer Lingus, but still sub-leased to Qantas, as seen here on a Bali service from Perth. Only wore this reg for 4 months. Rereg VH-EEI again when lease ended 23.3.90, and re-registered same day as G-VMIA Virgin Atlantic. WFS 15.1.00 at Gatwick, ferried to Kemble & WFU 19.1.00. TT 84293 hrs, 18387 landings, reg cancelled 28.1.00, BU 16-20.3.00.A Tower Air Boeing 747-131 at Tullamarine in December 1987, 20 months before the Infamous 'Pilots Strike'. The label under the name 'Tower Air' on the forward fuselage of this early model Boeing 747 reads 'On Lease to QANTAS'. The lease gave QANTAS extra capacity when bookings were heavy. Australian Aviation Magazine records that N93117 flew LAX-MEL as QF18/QF12 arriving 14Dec1987 (presumably the first 'Lease' Flight).
V/F
sonicruiser wrote:Arion640 wrote:Are they actually being retired?
This is what I’m wondering
VirginFlyer wrote:PhilMcCrackin wrote:ClassicLover wrote:
You're incorrect, they never operated the Boeing 747-100 either.
All the rest though... 747-200B, 747-200 Combi, 747SP, 747-300, 747-400 and 747-400ER.
If you want to be this pedantic, they never flew the 744D or 744 Combi either.
Also the 747-100SR, as well as pure freighters.
Although if you wanted to simplify it to just major subtypes (-100, -200, -300, -400, -8) you could argue the -100 since the 747SP is a -100, with some very significant structural differences obviously.
V/F
MADPYRO wrote:VirginFlyer wrote:PhilMcCrackin wrote:
If you want to be this pedantic, they never flew the 744D or 744 Combi either.
Also the 747-100SR, as well as pure freighters.
Although if you wanted to simplify it to just major subtypes (-100, -200, -300, -400, -8) you could argue the -100 since the 747SP is a -100, with some very significant structural differences obviously.
V/F
Don't forget the 747-200B SUD conversion!
ZK-NBT wrote:sonicruiser wrote:Arion640 wrote:Are they actually being retired?
This is what I’m wondering
Let’s be honest given the times it really seems quite unlikely that they will fly again for QF, they will be grounded with the rest of the fleet for sometime, retraining may be required for pilots in which case they may as well be retrained in other types.
Even the A380 is interesting here, will all 12 fly again? Maybe not straight away but they may be brought back over time as demand builds?
AKL321NX wrote:ClassicLover wrote:Boeing727 wrote:
And flew all models except the -8I.
You're incorrect, they never operated the Boeing 747-100 either.
All the rest though... 747-200B, 747-200 Combi, 747SP, 747-300, 747-400 and 747-400ER.
I've not flown every type of 747, but if not for Qantas I'd never have the 200, 300 and 400ER.
bennett123 wrote:Do you mean A330 or A340?.
VirginFlyer wrote:Also the 747-100SR, as well as pure freighters.
Arion640 wrote:ZK-NBT wrote:sonicruiser wrote:
This is what I’m wondering
Let’s be honest given the times it really seems quite unlikely that they will fly again for QF, they will be grounded with the rest of the fleet for sometime, retraining may be required for pilots in which case they may as well be retrained in other types.
Even the A380 is interesting here, will all 12 fly again? Maybe not straight away but they may be brought back over time as demand builds?
I think they’ll all have to be brought back. I don’t think Qantas has enough 787’s to carry out all the long haul flying and 4 frames are required for LHR-SYD alone.
After this weekend, BA and Lufthansa will be the only large scale passenger 747-400 operators left.
Edit: There’s still Virgin atlantic too and I believe Thai have a small handful along with maybe China Airlines.
jfk777 wrote:Gemuser wrote:jfk777 wrote:Too bad it had to end like this, Qantas had has a distinguished association with the 747 for 50 years. No other airline has stretched the the Jumbos range like Qantas. The Red Roo will hopefully continue their Boeing tradition with 777-9 and more 787-9.
The B777-9 I really doubt, the B787-9 almost certainly. Although who knows what any airline will do once the pandemic passes?
Gemuser
When the A380 gets retired, what is going to replace them ? The 777-9 is bigger than an A350-1000, Airbus doesn't make an A350-1100.
Arion640 wrote:ZK-NBT wrote:sonicruiser wrote:
This is what I’m wondering
Let’s be honest given the times it really seems quite unlikely that they will fly again for QF, they will be grounded with the rest of the fleet for sometime, retraining may be required for pilots in which case they may as well be retrained in other types.
Even the A380 is interesting here, will all 12 fly again? Maybe not straight away but they may be brought back over time as demand builds?
I think they’ll all have to be brought back. I don’t think Qantas has enough 787’s to carry out all the long haul flying and 4 frames are required for LHR-SYD alone.
After this weekend, BA and Lufthansa will be the only large scale passenger 747-400 operators left.
Edit: There’s still Virgin atlantic too and I believe Thai have a small handful along with maybe China Airlines.
ER757 wrote:Arion640 wrote:ZK-NBT wrote:
Let’s be honest given the times it really seems quite unlikely that they will fly again for QF, they will be grounded with the rest of the fleet for sometime, retraining may be required for pilots in which case they may as well be retrained in other types.
Even the A380 is interesting here, will all 12 fly again? Maybe not straight away but they may be brought back over time as demand builds?
I think they’ll all have to be brought back. I don’t think Qantas has enough 787’s to carry out all the long haul flying and 4 frames are required for LHR-SYD alone.
After this weekend, BA and Lufthansa will be the only large scale passenger 747-400 operators left.
Edit: There’s still Virgin atlantic too and I believe Thai have a small handful along with maybe China Airlines.
China Airlines only has 74F's now - Air China still has pax 747's - is that who you were thinking of?
Williambaker08 wrote:Qantas did own one 747-100. It was a ex American Airlines that Qantas bought in the late 1980s. I believe the tail number was VH-EEI. They also operated but didnt own two more 747-100s. One was a lease from Aer Lingus a 747-130 EI-BED 30/11/1987-14/12/1988 and 747-131 I believe from Tower Air N93117 01/11/1987-01/03/1987. However none of these were in Qantas Livery at all.