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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:38 am

Does anyone know who the new owner is ? Will they stay as passenger planes or converted to Cargo ?
 
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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:47 pm

cedarjet wrote:
The Qantas 747 fleet was sold in the early hours of Friday morning and will ferry to Mojave in the coming weeks. That flight from SCL was the end of a chapter in Australian history. Thanks jumbo!

PS tribute on Sam Chui’s site
https://samchui.com/2020/03/28/qantas-t ... is-weekend


Sam Chui is suggesting an agreement was signed on Friday for the purchase of these 744ERs. I am very curious who would be an active buyer willing to move so quickly for these airframes in the current climate where even getting the lawyers lined-up to complete the paperwork is going to take some time.

Other than one of the parts dealers that is proposing to scrap them for parts (but even then, it’s not like there are numerous airlines flying GE-powered 744s at the moment that would generate demand for 747 parts), the only other buyer I can think of with a fleet of GE-powered 747s who might have an need for additional aircraft (and has plenty of free cash available to fund them - albeit I assume the purchase price isn’t very high) might be someone like UPS.

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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:52 pm

Sad to see them go that soon... any idea what they will use now to JNB & SCL? Can they push ETOPS on their 787 that far?
 
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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:31 pm

OA411 wrote:
Sad to see them go that soon... any idea what they will use now to JNB & SCL? Can they push ETOPS on their 787 that far?

Pre-COVID-19, SCL had been scheduled to go to a daily 787 from June.

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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:01 pm

Qantas Parking Boeing 747s – No Retirement Yet

https://simpleflying.com/qantas-747-par ... 8SZbFWLKKc
 
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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:59 am

danipawa wrote:
Qantas Parking Boeing 747s – No Retirement Yet

https://simpleflying.com/qantas-747-par ... 8SZbFWLKKc


Would be great if they returned to service for a bit and had a proper farewell.

My first ever flight was on a Qantas 747-300.

My last flight (most recent) was on a Qantas 747-400ER.

I'm so glad I booked and flew on one of those QF 747 domestic 'farewell' flights (positioning flights between the Antarctic sightseeing flights) back in November just to finally get to log a 747-400ER - VH-OEI 'Ceduna' was the Queen...
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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:59 am

zeke wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
When the A380 gets retired, what is going to replace them ? The 777-9 is bigger than an A350-1000, Airbus doesn't make an A350-1100.


Who knows how this will end, the A380, 747, and A330 may all have already retired, we just don’t know how long this will last. No airline can afford not to fly widebodies at all.


So Southwest, Ryan Air, jetBlue, Spirit, etc. are not airlines?
 
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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:34 am

ClassicLover wrote:
Williambaker08 wrote:
Qantas did own one 747-100. It was a ex American Airlines that Qantas bought in the late 1980s. I believe the tail number was VH-EEI. They also operated but didnt own two more 747-100s. One was a lease from Aer Lingus a 747-130 EI-BED 30/11/1987-14/12/1988 and 747-131 I believe from Tower Air N93117 01/11/1987-01/03/1987. However none of these were in Qantas Livery at all.


You are wrong, they did not own a Boeing 747-100. The exact information for that frame is from here and the relevant portion is below.

The aircraft was leased to Qantas Airways Ltd as the registered operator - ?

Arrived Singapore on completion of the ferry flight (Captain C. Viertal) as QF500D - March 02, 1988

Ferry route: Brussels - Bahrain - Singapore

The aircraft entered maintenance and repaint into the Air Pacific livery at Singapore - March 02, 1988

Entered onto Australian Aircraft Register as VH-EEI - March 11, 1988

Registered to Citibank North America

Arrived Sydney (Kingsford Smith) on completion of the ferry flight from Singapore as QF500D - April 13, 1988

The aircraft was named 'Island of Viti Levu'

It operated its first revenue service with Air Pacific Sydney (Kingsford Smith) - Nadi as FJ911 - April 27, 1988

Leased to Aer Lingus and sub-leased to Qantas Airways - November 15, 1989

Cancelled from Australian Aircraft Register - November 21, 1989

Entered onto Irish Aircraft Register as EI-CAI - November 21, 1989

It arrived at Sydney (Kingsford Smith) after operating the final revenue service as QF21 - March 19, 1990

Returned to Citicorp at the end of the lease - March 19, 1990

Cancelled from Irish Aircraft Register - March 23, 1990

Entered onto Australian Aircraft Register as VH-EEI - March 23, 1990

Ferried Sydney (Kingsford Smith) - Auckland (Captain C. Viertal) as QF500D - March 23, 1990

Entered heavy maintenance with Air New Zealand Engineering - March 23, 1990

Cancelled from Australian Aircraft Register - March 23, 1990

The aircraft had flown 43,900 hours with 12,284 cycles to date

Entered onto the British Aircraft Register as G-VMIA - March 23, 1990

Leased to Virgin Atlantic Airways as the registered operator



Sorry but if they leased it and it operated on QF routes. Then they operated the type.
 
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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:37 am

cedarjet wrote:
The Qantas 747 fleet was sold in the early hours of Friday morning and will ferry to Mojave in the coming weeks. That flight from SCL was the end of a chapter in Australian history. Thanks jumbo!

PS tribute on Sam Chui’s site
https://samchui.com/2020/03/28/qantas-t ... is-weekend



His article does not say they were sold. You need to post a link that proves the sale per site rules.
 
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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:00 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:

Let’s be honest given the times it really seems quite unlikely that they will fly again for QF, they will be grounded with the rest of the fleet for sometime, retraining may be required for pilots in which case they may as well be retrained in other types.

Even the A380 is interesting here, will all 12 fly again? Maybe not straight away but they may be brought back over time as demand builds?


I think they’ll all have to be brought back. I don’t think Qantas has enough 787’s to carry out all the long haul flying and 4 frames are required for LHR-SYD alone.

After this weekend, BA and Lufthansa will be the only large scale passenger 747-400 operators left.

Edit: There’s still Virgin atlantic too and I believe Thai have a small handful along with maybe China Airlines.


QF actually need 4 789 for a LHR-PER-MEL-LAX daily vv rotation. I think it will take some time for things to fully bounce back so some 789 routes like BNE/MEL-SFO might not come back straight away and use an A380 ex SYD for example, possibly less than daily.


I wonder when all this thing is over, will Qantas concentrate solely on Sydney international flying before getting MEL/BNE/ and Perth up to speed?
 
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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:04 am

rbavfan wrote:
cedarjet wrote:
The Qantas 747 fleet was sold in the early hours of Friday morning and will ferry to Mojave in the coming weeks. That flight from SCL was the end of a chapter in Australian history. Thanks jumbo!

PS tribute on Sam Chui’s site
https://samchui.com/2020/03/28/qantas-t ... is-weekend



His article does not say they were sold. You need to post a link that proves the sale per site rules.


He must have edited it then, because when I read it the other day he said they'd all been sold to an unnamed buyer last Friday. I can see he now states they've been put into storage.
 
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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:14 am

When were they due to be retired pre CV?.
 
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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:21 am

bennett123 wrote:
When were they due to be retired pre CV?.


By the end of 2020.
 
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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:05 am

777Jet wrote:
danipawa wrote:
Qantas Parking Boeing 747s – No Retirement Yet

https://simpleflying.com/qantas-747-par ... 8SZbFWLKKc


Would be great if they returned to service for a bit and had a proper farewell.

My first ever flight was on a Qantas 747-300.

My last flight (most recent) was on a Qantas 747-400ER.

I'm so glad I booked and flew on one of those QF 747 domestic 'farewell' flights (positioning flights between the Antarctic sightseeing flights) back in November just to finally get to log a 747-400ER - VH-OEI 'Ceduna' was the Queen...


I flew that Antarctic flight on the VH-OEI too. Because of my schedule limitation, I flew all the way from Hong Kong to BNE, round trip to Antarctic then heading back to Hong Kong immediately, basically spending whole weekend on the plane, I glad that I made it!
 
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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:35 pm

If they were due to be retired by December 2020, I see no prospect of thm flying again.

Even if borders are open by June, (by no means guaranteed) I doubt that traffic will pick up much overnight.

IMO, we have to conclude that they will not fly for QF again.
 
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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:44 pm

bennett123 wrote:
If they were due to be retired by December 2020, I see no prospect of thm flying again.

Even if borders are open by June, (by no means guaranteed) I doubt that traffic will pick up much overnight.

IMO, we have to conclude that they will not fly for QF again.


One-off / some special farewell flights could be possible, it is a good marketing project when the COVID is over
 
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Qantas JNB without B744

Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:24 pm

I see Qantas retired their last B744 on 29/03. What will replace it on the SYD-JNB-SYD route?
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Re: Qantas JNB without B744

Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:32 pm

Is the 787-9 not able to do it?
 
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Re: Qantas JNB without B744

Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:33 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Is the 787-9 not able to do it?


The summer JNB-SYD sector might be an issue. Was wondering how the numbers look.
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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:48 pm

rbavfan wrote:
zeke wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
When the A380 gets retired, what is going to replace them ? The 777-9 is bigger than an A350-1000, Airbus doesn't make an A350-1100.


Who knows how this will end, the A380, 747, and A330 may all have already retired, we just don’t know how long this will last. No airline can afford not to fly widebodies at all.


So Southwest, Ryan Air, jetBlue, Spirit, etc. are not airlines?

I believe you’ve misunderstood what Zeke said. If you look at the whole of his post it is appears he is saying no airline can afford to have wide bodies sitting around not flying at all, and thus we may see them depart from fleets altogether.

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Re: Qantas JNB without B744

Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:57 pm

QF63 goes over or gets extremely close to antarctic everyday, way past ETOPS 330 and in some cases ETOPS 370. So while the B789 can get to JNB in terms of range, ETOPS limitation would add a significant amount of miles and hours flown just to stay within ETOPS. Making QF63/64 less economically viable. Think VA with their B777 to JNB.
- and then also on the way back QF64 takes off from a hot and high airport, how does a B789 handle that with a full load?-

Hence, my guess that QF starts off with a 2-3 weekly A380 while demand post corona is still low and then adds frequency as demand for travel climbs.
B747>A340>A350>B777>MD11>B767>B757>MD88/90>B787>A380>A330>A220>A320>B737.
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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:02 pm

VirginFlyer wrote:
rbavfan wrote:
zeke wrote:

Who knows how this will end, the A380, 747, and A330 may all have already retired, we just don’t know how long this will last. No airline can afford not to fly widebodies at all.


So Southwest, Ryan Air, jetBlue, Spirit, etc. are not airlines?

I believe you’ve misunderstood what Zeke said. If you look at the whole of his post it is appears he is saying no airline can afford to have wide bodies sitting around not flying at all, and thus we may see them depart from fleets altogether.

V/F

There will be very limited interest building (margins traditionally higher than NB due to lower volumes - going forward likely smaller), owning (higher margins and lower end of use values), and operating (life time cost of ownership) widebodies, of any make or model. Freight would be the exception to the rule.

We are seeing a reset of the commercial aviation industry, which is still very much work in progress.

Some WB's will be parked and re-financed along the lines of the Hi Fly model, with infrequent outings, but those close to expensive milestones will be gone. If the WB market is depressed enough, will it even be worth the time, effort and cost of parting some models?
 
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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:28 am

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Re: Qantas Retiring 747 Fleet on March 29?

Sun Apr 05, 2020 12:39 am

What will be telling in terms of if we'll see it back in our neck of the woods is whether it stays at the QF maintenance base at LAX, or continues on to SBD like -OEF, TUP like -OEB, or MHV like the -OJxs.

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