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Austrian Airlines 77E flying VIE-SYD nonstop!

Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:51 am

Dear all,

I noticed a flight operated by OS yesterday, using a 777-200ER OE-LPD from Vienna to Sydney. It is likely a rescue flight to bring back stranded EU citizens.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/oe-lpd

I know that in the past, a BA 747-400 did a LHR-SYD run and IIRC a 330-200 was once flown nonstop from Toulouse TLS to Australia for its delivery. All of these flights were not commercial type operations.

Austrian news source confirms a direct flight with 4 pilots (in German): https://www.austrianwings.info/2020/03/aua-evakuierungsflug-austrian-one-sicher-in-sydney-gelandet/
Question: Would this set a distance or endurance record for a 77E? It's a record length flight for Austrian for sure, if true!

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Re: Austrian Airlines 77E flying VIE-SYD nonstop!

Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:57 am

It is a rescue flight. Will land in Penang westbound.

https://simpleflying.com/austrian-airli ... na-sydney/
 
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Re: Austrian Airlines 77E flying VIE-SYD nonstop!

Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:00 pm

hitower3 wrote:
I know that in the past, a BA 747-400 did a LHR-SYD run


It was a QF 744 with only about 50 pax on board and IIRC some interior components were removed for even further weight savings.
 
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Re: Austrian Airlines 77E flying VIE-SYD nonstop!

Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:05 pm

And it will fly back with a stop at PEN tomorrow: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/oe-lpd
 
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Re: Austrian Airlines 77E flying VIE-SYD nonstop!

Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:13 pm

hitower3 wrote:
Question: Would this set a distance or endurance record for a 77E?


This is the record for a 77E. SEA-KUL eastbound.

https://boeing.mediaroom.com/1997-04-02 ... ld-Records
 
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Re: Austrian Airlines 77E flying VIE-SYD nonstop!

Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:22 pm

I remember BA once flew a 777 from BRU nonstop to MEL, carrying prime minister Blair and his entourage.
Of course not a commercial flight, but still a long one !
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Re: Austrian Airlines 77E flying VIE-SYD nonstop!

Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:18 pm

hitower3 wrote:
Would this set a distance or endurance record for a 77E?

Not even close.

9M-MRA flew the (then, world record, for any commercial aircraft) by doing nonstop from Seattle to Kuala Lumpur, over the Atlantic, as a joint marketing demonstrator for Boeing and Malaysia. She was dubbed "The SuperRanger" for that flight, and most of her service life.

The record would stand until the 772LR opped Hong Kong to London, over the Pacific and Atlantic.
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Re: Austrian Airlines 77E flying VIE-SYD nonstop!

Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:53 pm

330lover wrote:
I remember BA once flew a 777 from BRU nonstop to MEL, carrying prime minister Blair and his entourage.
Of course not a commercial flight, but still a long one !


Yep, and BA have also flown a 777 non-stop LHR-CBR with the Queen onboard.

An Austrian 777 in SYD is definitely notable, but the OP makes it sound like flying a nearly empty plane non-stop eastbound from Europe to Australia is a much bigger deal than it really is. It's something that's happened many times before, including using the 777. And VIE is relatively far east compared to London etc which makes it less impressive as well.
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Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:01 pm

RyanairGuru wrote:
the OP makes it sound like flying a nearly empty plane non-stop eastbound from Europe to Australia is a much bigger deal than it really is. It's something that's happened many times before, including using the 777. And VIE is relatively far east compared to London etc which makes it less impressive as well.


That's because the OP is still very enthusiastic at something that's perhaps still new or unusual for that person.
 
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Re: Austrian Airlines 77E flying VIE-SYD nonstop!

Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:35 am

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
That's because the OP is still very enthusiastic at something that's perhaps still new or unusual for that person.


Spot on! :-)
Usually, Austrian Airlines isn't flying any further than US west coast, Japan and South Africa, none of which brings a 77E to its payload-range limit. Now, the rescue flights have brought a few highly interesting and unusual (for OS) routes, like Lima-Vienna and this flight from VIE to SYD.
 
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Re: Austrian Airlines 77E flying VIE-SYD nonstop!

Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:01 am

Apparently the flight was four hours late on departure from SYD: https://www.flightradar24.com/AUA1028/244c81fc
 
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Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:45 am

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
Apparently the flight was four hours late on departure from SYD: https://www.flightradar24.com/AUA1028/244c81fc



Why is it refueling in PEN? KUL or SIN seems like a more logical/normal stop-over destination. Has that to do with the restrictions imposed by governments?
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Re: Austrian Airlines 77E flying VIE-SYD nonstop!

Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:50 am

The Lufthansa group has set up a temporary crew base in PEN. The 4 Condor 767's evacuation flights from PER with the Artenia cruise ship pax transited PEN.
 
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Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:57 am

eta unknown wrote:
The Lufthansa group has set up a temporary crew base in PEN. The 4 Condor 767's evacuation flights from PER with the Artenia cruise ship pax transited PEN.


ah, so even though Condor is not a part of Lufthansa anymore, the two still have a good relationship ! :cloudnine:
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Re: Austrian Airlines 77E flying VIE-SYD nonstop!

Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:15 am

PANAMsterdam wrote:
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
Apparently the flight was four hours late on departure from SYD: https://www.flightradar24.com/AUA1028/244c81fc



Why is it refueling in PEN? KUL or SIN seems like a more logical/normal stop-over destination. Has that to do with the restrictions imposed by governments?


Yup - No more transiting via SIN. Not sure on KL. BA has had to cancel their flights they tried to keep pax onboard in SIN and got away with it for a week, but Singaporean authorities eventually said no more.

Wonder where else we’ll see charters from? Perhaps France? Or is LH/OS and LO about to take all European nationals back home with them?

Who is doing the ground handling? Qantas most likely as they can just dump the manifest into their checkin system to and create a dummy OS flight. No other GHA would be able to do this unless they went full manual checkin, but can’t see AU-border force permitting this.
 
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Re: Austrian Airlines 77E flying VIE-SYD nonstop!

Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:35 am

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smi0006 wrote:
PANAMsterdam wrote:
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
Apparently the flight was four hours late on departure from SYD: https://www.flightradar24.com/AUA1028/244c81fc



Why is it refueling in PEN? KUL or SIN seems like a more logical/normal stop-over destination. Has that to do with the restrictions imposed by governments?


Yup - No more transiting via SIN. Not sure on KL. BA has had to cancel their flights they tried to keep pax onboard in SIN and got away with it for a week, but Singaporean authorities eventually said no more.

Wonder where else we’ll see charters from? Perhaps France? Or is LH/OS and LO about to take all European nationals back home with them?

Who is doing the ground handling? Qantas most likely as they can just dump the manifest into their checkin system to and create a dummy OS flight. No other GHA would be able to do this unless they went full manual checkin, but can’t see AU-border force permitting this.


Qantas seem to do pretty much all "one off" ad-hoc flights so that would be a safe bet. The fact that Qantas and Lufthansa Group both use Amadeus Altea would also make it easier to manage at short notice.
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Re: Austrian Airlines 77E flying VIE-SYD nonstop!

Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:36 am

smi0006 wrote:
PANAMsterdam wrote:
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
Apparently the flight was four hours late on departure from SYD: https://www.flightradar24.com/AUA1028/244c81fc



Why is it refueling in PEN? KUL or SIN seems like a more logical/normal stop-over destination. Has that to do with the restrictions imposed by governments?


Yup - No more transiting via SIN. Not sure on KL. BA has had to cancel their flights they tried to keep pax onboard in SIN and got away with it for a week, but Singaporean authorities eventually said no more.

Wonder where else we’ll see charters from? Perhaps France? Or is LH/OS and LO about to take all European nationals back home with them?

Who is doing the ground handling? Qantas most likely as they can just dump the manifest into their checkin system to and create a dummy OS flight. No other GHA would be able to do this unless they went full manual checkin, but can’t see AU-border force permitting this.


I've read a report on the repatriation flight from Lima to Frankfurt and it was said that they did a full manual check in. It took them three hours, including boarding with buses.
They even took a couple of check in agents from Frankfurt with them to do the check in in Lima.
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Re: Austrian Airlines 77E flying VIE-SYD nonstop!

Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:36 am

smi0006 wrote:
PANAMsterdam wrote:
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
Apparently the flight was four hours late on departure from SYD: https://www.flightradar24.com/AUA1028/244c81fc



Why is it refueling in PEN? KUL or SIN seems like a more logical/normal stop-over destination. Has that to do with the restrictions imposed by governments?


Yup - No more transiting via SIN. Not sure on KL. BA has had to cancel their flights they tried to keep pax onboard in SIN and got away with it for a week, but Singaporean authorities eventually said no more.

Wonder where else we’ll see charters from? Perhaps France? Or is LH/OS and LO about to take all European nationals back home with them?

Who is doing the ground handling? Qantas most likely as they can just dump the manifest into their checkin system to and create a dummy OS flight. No other GHA would be able to do this unless they went full manual checkin, but can’t see AU-border force permitting this.


BA16 is currently on its way from SYD to LHR via SIN. Not sure where your opinion that Singapore has banned it has come from. PAX stay onboard
 
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Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:01 pm

pollitt1985 wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
PANAMsterdam wrote:


Why is it refueling in PEN? KUL or SIN seems like a more logical/normal stop-over destination. Has that to do with the restrictions imposed by governments?


Yup - No more transiting via SIN. Not sure on KL. BA has had to cancel their flights they tried to keep pax onboard in SIN and got away with it for a week, but Singaporean authorities eventually said no more.

Wonder where else we’ll see charters from? Perhaps France? Or is LH/OS and LO about to take all European nationals back home with them?

Who is doing the ground handling? Qantas most likely as they can just dump the manifest into their checkin system to and create a dummy OS flight. No other GHA would be able to do this unless they went full manual checkin, but can’t see AU-border force permitting this.


BA16 is currently on its way from SYD to LHR via SIN. Not sure where your opinion that Singapore has banned it has come from. PAX stay onboard


All BA have said at this stage is they won’t be operating SYD from April 9th-22nd. Things are changing everyday and the same looks to be the case for HKG/SIN.
 
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Re: Austrian Airlines 77E flying VIE-SYD nonstop!

Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:53 pm

smi0006 wrote:
PANAMsterdam wrote:
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
Apparently the flight was four hours late on departure from SYD: https://www.flightradar24.com/AUA1028/244c81fc



Why is it refueling in PEN? KUL or SIN seems like a more logical/normal stop-over destination. Has that to do with the restrictions imposed by governments?


Yup - No more transiting via SIN. Not sure on KL. BA has had to cancel their flights they tried to keep pax onboard in SIN and got away with it for a week, but Singaporean authorities eventually said no more.

Wonder where else we’ll see charters from? Perhaps France? Or is LH/OS and LO about to take all European nationals back home with them?

Who is doing the ground handling? Qantas most likely as they can just dump the manifest into their checkin system to and create a dummy OS flight. No other GHA would be able to do this unless they went full manual checkin, but can’t see AU-border force permitting this.


The Lufthansa group members are even operating some mini-hubs still at ZRH, FRA etc. to re-distribute passengers from these rescue flights. Edelweiss Air's A340 fleet is busy going to South America for example, along with the odd Swiss B777 helping. They don't just carry Swiss nationals, but also a lot of Germans and people from elsewhere in Europe, which then get flown to other destinations with Edelweiss A320s from Zurich for example.
 
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Re: Austrian Airlines 77E flying VIE-SYD nonstop!

Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:27 pm

eta unknown wrote:
hitower3 wrote:
I know that in the past, a BA 747-400 did a LHR-SYD run


It was a QF 744 with only about 50 pax on board and IIRC some interior components were removed for even further weight savings.


I believe it was towed to the runway to save even more fuel and it was loaded with some super Jet A1....
 
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Re: Austrian Airlines 77E flying VIE-SYD nonstop!

Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:45 pm

How do they crew these rescue flights? Do they RON the AC in SYD long enough for the crew to get required rest for the return or do they offline position a crew down there for the return?
 
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Re: Austrian Airlines 77E flying VIE-SYD nonstop!

Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:00 pm

eta unknown wrote:
The Lufthansa group has set up a temporary crew base in PEN. The 4 Condor 767's evacuation flights from PER with the Artenia cruise ship pax transited PEN.


Not correct. Condor had stopovers in Phuket.
 
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Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:10 pm

cityshuttle wrote:
eta unknown wrote:
The Lufthansa group has set up a temporary crew base in PEN. The 4 Condor 767's evacuation flights from PER with the Artenia cruise ship pax transited PEN.


Not correct. Condor had stopovers in Phuket.


Correct re Condor and HKT, which is one of their usual destinations and probably therefore being used. Re OS using PEN, my understanding was that they are simply picking up more repatriating pax from Malaysia there on the way back, but can't find the source now.

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