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New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 11:58 am

Link to the March 2020 thread viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1442111

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:53 pm

NZ6 wrote:
Not splitting hairs, CHC-SIN as one example is part of the 30% and other carriers may(??) return.

Also 30% can be measured many many different ways.

Borrowing while interest rates are extremely low and construction costs are also low is also a very wise which means a great time to build.

C'mon, you're just messing with me now! The point is not whether it's a 30% cushion or a "substantial" cushion, or whether CHC-SIN is included or excluded. It's the big picture that counts. Look to Greg Foran's statement this morning that "it is clear the Air New Zealand which emerges from COVID-19 is a much smaller airline and could take years to get back to its former size." Every airline will be going through the same painful adjustments, if they survive at all (which it is acknowledged, many will not). Foreign operators to AKL will also take time to build up services. Just like NZ's, AKL's traffic will also "take years to get back to its former size".

Will the AIAL directors have the incentive or stomach to invest massively in a new facility when the existing facility will operate at significantly reduced capacity for some years? I suggest no, they've historically shown chosen to operate to maximum capacity before they even think about investing their dollars. I seriously don't expect that to change, and I doubt many of the travelling public (except on A-net) who would support this as a strategic priority in very difficult times. Especially if they are the ones who ultimately pay for it. Sorry, I just don't buy it.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:19 pm

Lufthansa 744 at AKL, repatriation flight

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:28 pm

DavidByrne wrote:
NZ6 wrote:
Not splitting hairs, CHC-SIN as one example is part of the 30% and other carriers may(??) return.

Also 30% can be measured many many different ways.

Borrowing while interest rates are extremely low and construction costs are also low is also a very wise which means a great time to build.

C'mon, you're just messing with me now! The point is not whether it's a 30% cushion or a "substantial" cushion, or whether CHC-SIN is included or excluded. It's the big picture that counts. Look to Greg Foran's statement this morning that "it is clear the Air New Zealand which emerges from COVID-19 is a much smaller airline and could take years to get back to its former size." Every airline will be going through the same painful adjustments, if they survive at all (which it is acknowledged, many will not). Foreign operators to AKL will also take time to build up services. Just like NZ's, AKL's traffic will also "take years to get back to its former size".

Will the AIAL directors have the incentive or stomach to invest massively in a new facility when the existing facility will operate at significantly reduced capacity for some years? I suggest no, they've historically shown chosen to operate to maximum capacity before they even think about investing their dollars. I seriously don't expect that to change, and I doubt many of the travelling public (except on A-net) who would support this as a strategic priority in very difficult times. Especially if they are the ones who ultimately pay for it. Sorry, I just don't buy it.


All I'm saying is 30% doesn't directly correlate to a 30% reduction in AIAL movements. But of course there will be a noticeable reduction over the next 12 months

In the same breath Foran talks about the airline coming back to the same size in the years ahead. Any second runway or new terminal would be a "years" project not built for the next 12-24 months..

If we're to plot the health of the world economy on a simple line chart the line would resemble a wave, committing to large scale projects or investments at the bottom of the wave is high risk but also the time where you can get the best value for money.

Any AIAL investment is secure long term as the airport will ALWAYS be an essential asset and will always be used.

If anyone had the cash in a the next few years, it'd be a great time to buy planes too... time for the 757 replacement maybe :rotfl:
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:32 pm

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No need for any conversions in the present crisis.
The 772 can carry a massive amount in the holds,
and right now we can assume it's high value stuff.
Mr. Foran said recently the 789 could carry 11 containers,
the 772 will be similar or better. Fuel is cheap, no case to
spend millions on a conversion.


I heard this but didn't actually believe it. Then when NZ1 confirmed all 772's being parked up at CHC I assumed it was wrong.

What I had heard was the last section of Y class having the seats removed to allow more cargo storage. All loaded via passenger doors so no ULD's etc.

A quick and cost efficient way to carry more cargo without any major works. Cleaver thinking if they can find the demand.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:57 pm

NZ6 wrote:
committing to large scale projects or investments at the bottom of the wave is high risk but also the time where you can get the best value for money

This is the absolute nub of the issue: will businesses (ANY businesses) have the appetite and financial leverage to persuade lenders to give them money for "high risk" investments? Given how much the banks will already have suffered from loan defaulters (large and small) during this crisis I believe they will only lend for the very safest investments.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:40 pm

Regarding AIAL, once things start to rebound maybe they can Over the winter rebuild or totally refurbish pier A? Possibly in stages gates 1-6 first then gates 7-10 the following year? Go from March through November. Fixing the existing runway is essential, a pity they probably can’t or won’t commit to it this year with so little traffic. Bring back 23R 05L to relay the whole thing over 3-4 years like they were before in the winter. As to the second runway, I’m still sceptical, now I would see it being pushed out indefinitely. Domestic terminal will be pushed out again but may depend on how quickly domestic travel rebounds.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:41 pm

DavidByrne wrote:
NZ6 wrote:
committing to large scale projects or investments at the bottom of the wave is high risk but also the time where you can get the best value for money

This is the absolute nub of the issue: will businesses (ANY businesses) have the appetite and financial leverage to persuade lenders to give them money for "high risk" investments? Given how much the banks will already have suffered from loan defaulters (large and small) during this crisis I believe they will only lend for the very safest investments.


I've not provided any definitive timeline other than when the market starts to recover and while the market is at the bottom of the curve.

I get the impression you still think I'm talking about this week, this month or even this year.

I've intentionally left the window open to cover most of the concerns you raise which are valid. I'm not saying their not.

What I'm suggesting is acting during the downturn rather than waiting until the market has returned in 5-10 years and we in the same dilemma we were in Dec-Feb. As a macro example, NZ's done this before when buying aircraft during softer periods to secure favorable prices.

Anyway, you disagree which is fine. Let's just leave it at that.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:21 am

Air New Zealand has grounded 58 aircraft so far across Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Nelson.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/120724 ... 8-aircraft

7 Q300
10 ATR-72-600
23 A320
12 777 (200ER + 300ER)
6 787-9

Does anyone know which aircraft have been grounded in which locations? Have any A320neos been grounded? Also, somewhat surprising that some of the 777 fleet is still flying, yet 787s have been grounded.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:15 am

Andrensn wrote:
Air New Zealand has grounded 58 aircraft so far across Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Nelson.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/120724 ... 8-aircraft

7 Q300
10 ATR-72-600
23 A320
12 777 (200ER + 300ER)
6 787-9

Does anyone know which aircraft have been grounded in which locations? Have any A320neos been grounded? Also, somewhat surprising that some of the 777 fleet is still flying, yet 787s have been grounded.


Looks like allot of the A321NEO's are in service, and are on runs up/down the country - probably makes sense due to the increase cargo space over the A320s.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:14 am

Andrensn wrote:
Air New Zealand has grounded 58 aircraft so far across Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Nelson.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/120724 ... 8-aircraft

7 Q300
10 ATR-72-600
23 A320
12 777 (200ER + 300ER)
6 787-9

Does anyone know which aircraft have been grounded in which locations? Have any A320neos been grounded? Also, somewhat surprising that some of the 777 fleet is still flying, yet 787s have been grounded.


There are 4 772s in CHC OKA, OKC, OKD, OKF, Nz1 said the other day on here in the last thread the whole 772 fleet is planned to go to CHC.

It will I would think only some 77Ws still in service, largest people and freight movers, probably used for several repatriation flights, I would Think there is some coming up.

787s are being used on the few regularly scheduled international flights still operating. And some domestic extras I’ve noticed have been scheduled including WLG-AKL.

There has been a photo around of 8 A320s stores at CHC In 1 shot, no idea on regos or NEO/CEO.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:35 am

I'd love to see photos of cargo loose loaded in an emptied passenger deck if that comes to pass.
Having been in plenty of cargo decks in my day the biggest pain in the neck (literally) was that I was too tall to stand up in there. I'd have loved the extra room...
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:04 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
Andrensn wrote:
Air New Zealand has grounded 58 aircraft so far across Auckland, Wellington, Christchurch and Nelson.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/120724 ... 8-aircraft

7 Q300
10 ATR-72-600
23 A320
12 777 (200ER + 300ER)
6 787-9

Does anyone know which aircraft have been grounded in which locations? Have any A320neos been grounded? Also, somewhat surprising that some of the 777 fleet is still flying, yet 787s have been grounded.


There are 4 772s in CHC OKA, OKC, OKD, OKF, Nz1 said the other day on here in the last thread the whole 772 fleet is planned to go to CHC.

It will I would think only some 77Ws still in service, largest people and freight movers, probably used for several repatriation flights, I would Think there is some coming up.

787s are being used on the few regularly scheduled international flights still operating. And some domestic extras I’ve noticed have been scheduled including WLG-AKL.

There has been a photo around of 8 A320s stores at CHC In 1 shot, no idea on regos or NEO/CEO.


Actually OKA is not in Christchurch yet but will soon be due to arrive tonight at 2038 NZ6003 from Singapore.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:52 am

NZ's Australian sales staff stood down until end May.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:32 pm

NZ planning 14 cargo only flights to PVG next week

https://twitter.com/CamWallace_NZ/statu ... 41477?s=20
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:19 pm

Air New Zealand fleet status

Boeing 777 200 and 300

OKA Stored in CHC
OKB Stored in AKL
OKC Stored in CHC
OKD Stored in CHC
OKE Stored in AKL
OKF Stored in CHC
OKG Stored in AKL
OKH Stored in AKL

OKM Stored in AKL
OKN Stored in AKL
OKO Stored in AKL
OKP Stored in AKL
OKQ Stored in AKL
OKR Stored in AKL
OKS Stored in AKL

Boeing 789

NZC Stored in AKL
NZD Stored in AKL
NZE in service
NZF Stored in AKL
NZG in service
NZH in service
NZI Stored in AKL
NZJ in service
NZK in service
NZL Stored in AKL
NZM in service
NZN in service
NZQ in service
NZR in service


A320 and A320neo

NNA in service
NNB in service
NNC Stored in CHC
NND in service
NNE in service
NNF in service
NNG in service
NHA Stored in AKL
NHB in service
NHC Stored in AKL
NHD Stored in WLG

OJB Stored in CHC
OJD Stored in CHC
OJF Stored in CHC
OJH Stored in CHC
OJI Stored in AKL
OJK Stored in CHC
OJM Stored in CHC
OJQ in service
OJR Stored in CHC
OJS in service
OAB Stored in CHC
OXA in service
OXB Stored in WLG
OXC Stored in CHC
OXD Stored in AKL
OXE Stored in AKL
OXF Stored in CHC
OXG Stored in WLG
OXH Stored in CHC
OXI Stored in CHC
OXJ in service
OXK Stored in CHC
OXL Stored in CHC
OXM in service

ATR 72 - 500 and 600

MCB Stored in CHC
MCC Stored in CHC
MCJ Stored in CHC
MCO Stored in CHC
MCP Stored in CHC
MCU Stored in CHC
MCY Stored in CHC

MVA Stored in CHC
MVB in service
MVC in service
MVD in service
MVE Stored in CHC
MVF Stored in CHC
MVG Stored in AKL
MVH Stored in NSN
MVI Stored in AKL
MVJ in service
MVK Stored in CHC
MVL Stored in CHC
MVM in service
MVN in service
MVO in service
MVP in service
MVQ in service
MVR Stored in NSN
MVU Stored in AKL
MVV in service
MVW in service
MVX Stored in AKL
MVZ in service
MZA in service
MZB in service
MZC in service
MZD in service


Q300

NEA in service
NEB in service
NEC in service
NED Stored in NSN
NEE Stored in NSN
NEF in service
NEG Stored in NSN
NEH Stored in NSN
NEJ in service
NEK in service
NEM in service
NEO in service
NEP in service
NEQ in service
NER Stored in WLG
NES in service
NET in service
NEU in service
NEW Stored in NSN
NEZ in service
NFA in service
NFB in service
NFI in service
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:26 pm

Summary for above list

Data sourced from Flight Aware yesterday some stored could be just under maintenance

Stored by port

AKL 25
CHC 31
WLG 4
NSN 7

Total 67

In service 54
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:31 pm

Karlos wrote:
I'd love to see photos of cargo loose loaded in an emptied passenger deck if that comes to pass.
Having been in plenty of cargo decks in my day the biggest pain in the neck (literally) was that I was too tall to stand up in there. I'd have loved the extra room...

https://www.flightglobal.com/air-transport/crisis-accelerates-approval-of-a320-seat-bag-cargo-modification/137672.article

Here is an product that has been approved in the EU to temporary turn an passenger A320 in an bulk freighter, with 250kg allowed per 3 seats!
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:08 pm

NZ516 wrote:
Summary for above list

Data sourced from Flight Aware yesterday some stored could be just under maintenance

Stored by port

AKL 25
CHC 31
WLG 4
NSN 7

Total 67

In service 54

Thanks for the list - will be good to keep this up to date over the coming weeks.

A quick one: the 7 ATR-72-500s were already withdrawn from use pending disposal prior to the COVID-19 disruption.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:14 pm

https://twitter.com/CamWallace_NZ/statu ... 8269627392

Our @FlyAirNZ
revised domestic schedule is out. We will be flying to AKL, WLG, CHC, NSN and DUD only. One or two return services a day, eff 3 Apr. This represents a 95% reduction pre - C19. Demand is down about 99%. @andykirton


Oof.

https://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/press-r ... ic-network

Route Services Aircraft type
Auckland-Christchurch 3x return services Mon-Fri A320
1x return service Sat/Sun A320
Auckland-Wellington 1x return service Mon-Sun A320
Wellington-Christchurch 2x return services Mon-Fri A320
1x return service Sat/Sun Q300 ATR
Wellington-Nelson 1x return service Mon-Fri Q300
Christchurch-Dunedin 1x return service Mon Q300
1x return service Fri ATR
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:46 pm

ZaphodHarkonnen wrote:
https://twitter.com/CamWallace_NZ/status/1245441808269627392

Our @FlyAirNZ
revised domestic schedule is out. We will be flying to AKL, WLG, CHC, NSN and DUD only. One or two return services a day, eff 3 Apr. This represents a 95% reduction pre - C19. Demand is down about 99%. @andykirton


Oof.

https://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/press-r ... ic-network

Route Services Aircraft type
Auckland-Christchurch 3x return services Mon-Fri A320
1x return service Sat/Sun A320
Auckland-Wellington 1x return service Mon-Sun A320
Wellington-Christchurch 2x return services Mon-Fri A320
1x return service Sat/Sun Q300 ATR
Wellington-Nelson 1x return service Mon-Fri Q300
Christchurch-Dunedin 1x return service Mon Q300
1x return service Fri ATR

Oof really says it well. So that is a total of 43 return services, or 86 sectors, per week. That is fewer sectors than Air Chathams used to operate between Auckland and the three mainland destinations before everything fell apart (they had by my count 47 return services a week between Auckland and PPQ/WAG/WHK). Obviously still operating at more capacity than 3C, though goodness knows how many people they will actually be carrying. Based on the aircraft types given (A320: 171 seats, ATR: 68 seats, Q300: 50 seats) and the frequencies we get the following weekly flying:

A320: 34 sectors AKL/CHC, 14 sectors AKL/WLG. 48 sectors total. 8,208 seats
ATR: 4 sectors WLG/CHC, 4 sectors CHC/DUD. 8 sectors total. 544 seats.
Q300: 20 sectors WLG/CHC, 10 sectors WLG/NSN. 30 sectors total. 1,500 seats.

So a total weekly capacity of 10,252 seats. Many of which will likely still be empty. It is painful to read and type this.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:47 pm

VirginFlyer wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
Summary for above list

Data sourced from Flight Aware yesterday some stored could be just under maintenance

Stored by port

AKL 25
CHC 31
WLG 4
NSN 7

Total 67

In service 54

Thanks for the list - will be good to keep this up to date over the coming weeks.

A quick one: the 7 ATR-72-500s were already withdrawn from use pending disposal prior to the COVID-19 disruption.

V/F



Indeed and they are now being joined by their --600 cousins filling up every spare ramp space at CHC.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:33 am

Andrensn wrote:
There are 4 772s in CHC OKA, OKC, OKD, OKF, Nz1 said the other day on here in the last thread the whole 772 fleet is planned to go to CHC.


That was the initial plan. Current plan is to keep 4 in AKL for the time being as the airline has picked up a lot of cargo charters. Whilst these are mainly planned for the 787 fleet, there is a requirement to keep some 77E capacity in AKL in case it’s needed.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:18 am

NZ516 wrote:
A320 and A320neo

NNA in service
NNB in service
NNC Stored in CHC
NND in service
NNE in service
NNF in service
NNG in service
NHA Stored in AKL
NHB in service
NHC Stored in AKL
NHD Stored in WLG

OJB Stored in CHC
OJD Stored in CHC
OJF Stored in CHC
OJH Stored in CHC
OJI Stored in AKL
OJK Stored in CHC
OJM Stored in CHC
OJQ in service
OJR Stored in CHC
OJS in service
OAB Stored in CHC
OXA in service
OXB Stored in WLG
OXC Stored in CHC
OXD Stored in AKL
OXE Stored in AKL
OXF Stored in CHC
OXG Stored in WLG
OXH Stored in CHC
OXI Stored in CHC
OXJ in service
OXK Stored in CHC
OXL Stored in CHC
OXM in service


Why are some NEOs in storage whilst CEOs are still operating? Wouldn't it be logical to fly the more efficient NEOs and ground the noisier and less efficient CEOs?
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:59 am

NZ1 wrote:
Andrensn wrote:
There are 4 772s in CHC OKA, OKC, OKD, OKF, Nz1 said the other day on here in the last thread the whole 772 fleet is planned to go to CHC.


That was the initial plan. Current plan is to keep 4 in AKL for the time being as the airline has picked up a lot of cargo charters. Whilst these are mainly planned for the 787 fleet, there is a requirement to keep some 77E capacity in AKL in case it’s needed.


Thanks for the update.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:04 am

zkojq wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
A320 and A320neo

NNA in service
NNB in service
NNC Stored in CHC
NND in service
NNE in service
NNF in service
NNG in service
NHA Stored in AKL
NHB in service
NHC Stored in AKL
NHD Stored in WLG

OJB Stored in CHC
OJD Stored in CHC
OJF Stored in CHC
OJH Stored in CHC
OJI Stored in AKL
OJK Stored in CHC
OJM Stored in CHC
OJQ in service
OJR Stored in CHC
OJS in service
OAB Stored in CHC
OXA in service
OXB Stored in WLG
OXC Stored in CHC
OXD Stored in AKL
OXE Stored in AKL
OXF Stored in CHC
OXG Stored in WLG
OXH Stored in CHC
OXI Stored in CHC
OXJ in service
OXK Stored in CHC
OXL Stored in CHC
OXM in service


Why are some NEOs in storage whilst CEOs are still operating? Wouldn't it be logical to fly the more efficient NEOs and ground the noisier and less efficient CEOs?


The reality is they need about 2 for scheduled domestic services and 2 for scheduled international services for April. Fuel is cheap atm, maybe some older CEO’s will fly for a while and then be returned to leasors etc so using up hours remaining etc, could be maintenance due soon so us them until it’s due and swap them out with NEO’s.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:43 am

VirginFlyer wrote:
Based on the aircraft types given (A320: 171 seats, ATR: 68 seats, Q300: 50 seats) and the frequencies we get the following weekly flying:

A320: 34 sectors AKL/CHC, 14 sectors AKL/WLG. 48 sectors total. 8,208 seats
ATR: 4 sectors WLG/CHC, 4 sectors CHC/DUD. 8 sectors total. 544 seats.
Q300: 20 sectors WLG/CHC, 10 sectors WLG/NSN. 30 sectors total. 1,500 seats.

So a total weekly capacity of 10,252 seats. Many of which will likely still be empty. It is painful to read and type this.

Will be massively less than this. The ATRs have the B and C seats blocked, and row 1 blocked for a capacity of 32. Q300 is presumably similar, so 23 there. A320s have B and E seats blocked, plus a number of rows blocked, so about 100 seats. 5,746 seats total capacity. And it’s probably all academic as most of them will be empty anyway :/
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:22 pm

SpoonNZ wrote:
VirginFlyer wrote:
Based on the aircraft types given (A320: 171 seats, ATR: 68 seats, Q300: 50 seats) and the frequencies we get the following weekly flying:

A320: 34 sectors AKL/CHC, 14 sectors AKL/WLG. 48 sectors total. 8,208 seats
ATR: 4 sectors WLG/CHC, 4 sectors CHC/DUD. 8 sectors total. 544 seats.
Q300: 20 sectors WLG/CHC, 10 sectors WLG/NSN. 30 sectors total. 1,500 seats.

So a total weekly capacity of 10,252 seats. Many of which will likely still be empty. It is painful to read and type this.

Will be massively less than this. The ATRs have the B and C seats blocked, and row 1 blocked for a capacity of 32. Q300 is presumably similar, so 23 there. A320s have B and E seats blocked, plus a number of rows blocked, so about 100 seats. 5,746 seats total capacity. And it’s probably all academic as most of them will be empty anyway :/


You’ll probably find the A320CEO’s might end up on some freight runs, eg those are the only flights open to passengers, doesn’t meant there won’t be more on demand flights.

Also now with the agreement is in place for foreigners to be able to leave the country, I would expect NZ will be operating ad-hoc flights to people these people and connect them to flight out of New Zealand.

Although if this COVID-19 goes on for another 6 months, will we still need an airline?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:39 pm

Worrying news for air pax and crew: eight cabin crew and deadheading pilots on an AC transatlantic flight tested positive for Covid-19. This despite cabin crew wearing gloves and washing hands frequently and minimising interactions with passengers. We’ve already heard about NZ crew also affected; if a perception arises that crew may be a vector then it may be a further disincentive to travel recovery.

Here’s a positive prediction for the future, though: aviation expert at University of West London predicts record air travel next northern summer. Interview showed that while he was knowledgeable about the airline industry he had no understanding of disease, politics or human psychology, alas.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:21 pm

DavidByrne wrote:
Worrying news for air pax and crew: eight cabin crew and deadheading pilots on an AC transatlantic flight tested positive for Covid-19. This despite cabin crew wearing gloves and washing hands frequently and minimising interactions with passengers. We’ve already heard about NZ crew also affected; if a perception arises that crew may be a vector then it may be a further disincentive to travel recovery.

Here’s a positive prediction for the future, though: aviation expert at University of West London predicts record air travel next northern summer. Interview showed that while he was knowledgeable about the airline industry he had no understanding of disease, politics or human psychology, alas.


It's an hard one - if we we're to test crew/passengers are every single flight normally can you image the amount of virus that people would be testing positive for daily?

I would say normally 1000s of people a day would be arriving in to New Zealand with some form of sickness, e.g. how many times have you come back from holiday with an mild cold etc.

If digital media / social media wasn't as big as it is now, than 10-20 years ago I don't think we would be in the place the aviation industry is in now, and COVID-19 would just be call the "flu"
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:53 pm

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It's an hard one - if we we're to test crew/passengers are every single flight normally can you image the amount of virus that people would be testing positive for daily?

I would say normally 1000s of people a day would be arriving in to New Zealand with some form of sickness, e.g. how many times have you come back from holiday with an mild cold etc.

If digital media / social media wasn't as big as it is now, than 10-20 years ago I don't think we would be in the place the aviation industry is in now, and COVID-19 would just be call the "flu"

This is why I seriously doubt that passengers will be allowed to board international flights to and from New Zealand in the medium term unless they can show that they either (a) have been vaccinated against Covid-19, or (b) have some immunity as a result of having contracted it. I note that Boris Johnson is already talking up the possibility of some kind of "immunity certificate", though others are warning that the current tests are just not accurate enough to even think about that.

Quite apart from the fact that it's not a version of influenza, I think that even 10-20 years ago we would very quickly have realised that (a) the transmissibility of this disease is extraordinary, (b) that the death rate is very high, (c) that there is no drug that can treat it (yet), and (d) that in the absence of a vaccine you literally take your life in your hands when travelling, especially by air or cruise ship. Even without social media I think that we'd by this stage of the pandemic be on full alert, because what we see from Spain and Italy in particular is very sobering indeed.

Jacinda Ardern has already noted that a significant travel recovery is not expected before 12-18 months, and I'm sure that's because it may take that long to develop a vaccine and test it sufficiently to ensure that it is actually effective for a decent period of time. I believe that NZ's international network will probably be in desperate survival mode until that occurs; the domestic network should presumably start to come back soon after the restrictions on travel are lifted. I also think that this will probably be a gradual process, as we gain confidence that we have eliminated the virus from NZ.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:05 am

Interesting times alright...was looking to come back early November....at the moment NZ still have the EWR - AKL flight loaded but expect this will be cancelled and routed through LAX or SFO...also to the point above was thinking if NZ would ban people coming from places like NY given the infection rates etc...bit of a bummer for kiwis wanting to come home and visit families have to wait and see how this all transpires.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:07 am

The NZ government has approved a second daily QR DOH-AKL flight for repatriation

https://www.flightglobal.com/airlines/w ... 86.article
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:15 am

Yesterday NZ operated 89 flights and carried a total of 165 passengers

https://twitter.com/CamWallace_NZ/statu ... 81440?s=20

20 of those flights had only 1 passenger onboard

https://twitter.com/CamWallace_NZ/statu ... 25185?s=20
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 5:56 am

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/zk-oko

ZK-OKO is currently operating AKL-YVR-FRA as NZ1960, as part of one there charters for the German Government.

Seems that NZ has picked up an bunch of work for the German Government, there tender price must of been good to get the work instead of the LH group getting it all.

Good to see the 77W’s getting some use, it seems apart from the 77E’s and an couple of 787s NZ has managed to find an decent amount of side work for there wide body fleets.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:04 am

zkncj wrote:
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/zk-oko

ZK-OKO is currently operating AKL-YVR-FRA as NZ1960, as part of one there charters for the German Government.

Seems that NZ has picked up an bunch of work for the German Government, there tender price must of been good to get the work instead of the LH group getting it all.

Good to see the 77W’s getting some use, it seems apart from the 77E’s and an couple of 787s NZ has managed to find an decent amount of side work for there wide body fleets.


So are these flights carrying PAX both ways? There is also possibly more LH flights to come to NZ as well.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:58 am

Initial LH Charter Flights info listed below. At this stage all flights preliminary, LH are waiting on NZ Government approval for the flights which has pushed back the entire schedule. I'm waiting on the latest update to come through.

OS sending a B772 down our way as well, details at bottom.

Also waiting on LX schedule to be confirmed. All I've got so far is LX8909 B77W HB-JNK AKL-BKK

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CHC - All times local

LH9914 FRA BKK 03/15:30 04/07:05 B744 D-ABVY
LH9914 BKK CHC 04/08:30 04/20:50 B744 D-ABVY
LH353 CHC BKK 05/20:50 06/03:30 B744 D-ABVY
LH353 BKK FRA 06/05:00 06/11:20 B744 D-ABVY

LH9880 FRA BKK 03/21:00 04/12:30 B744 D-ABVX
LH9880 BKK CHC 04/16:30 05/08:30 B744 D-ABVX
LH355 CHC BKK 05/21:00 06/03:40 B744 D-ABVX
LH355 BKK FRA 06/05:10 06/11:30 B744 D-ABVX

LH9880 FRA BKK 04/21:00 05/12:30 B744 D-ABTL
LH9880 BKK CHC 05/16:30 07/20:30 B744 D-ABTL
LH353 CHC BKK 06/15:20 06/21:30 B744 D-ABTL
LH353 BKK FRA 06/23:00 07/05:00 B744 D-ABTL

LH9880 FRA BKK 05/21:00 06/12:30 B744 D-ABVM
LH9880 BKK CHC 06/16:30 07/08:30 B744 D-ABVM
LH353 CHC BKK 07/15:20 07/21:30 B744 D-ABVM
LH353 BKK FRA 07/23:00 08/05:00 B744 D-ABVM

LH9880 FRA BKK 06/21:00 07/12:30 B744 D-ABVX
LH9880 BKK CHC 07/16:30 08/08:30 B744 D-ABVX
LH353 CHC BKK 08/15:20 08/21:30 B744 D-ABVX
LH353 BKK FRA 08/23:00 09/05:00 B744 D-ABVX

AKL - All times local

LH772 FRA BKK 02/21:00 03/12:45 A388 D-AIMJ
LH772 BKK AKL 04/08:45 05/00:45 A388 D-AIMJ
LH349 AKL BKK 05/20:45 06/03:35 A388 D-AIMJ
LH349 BKK FRA 06/05:35 06/12:05 A388 D-AIMJ

LH9882 FRA BKK 03/21:00 04/12:30 A388 D-AIMF
LH9882 BKK AKL 04/16:30 05/09:10 A388 D-AIMF
LH351 AKL BKK 05/21:00 06/03:50 A388 D-AIMF
LH351 BKK FRA 06/05:50 06/11:20 A388 D-AIMF

LH9882 FRA BKK 04/21:00 05/12:30 A388 D-AIMC
LH9882 BKK AKL 05/16:30 06/09:30 A388 D-AIMC
LH351 AKL BKK 06/14:30 06/21:00 A388 D-AIMC
LH351 BKK FRA 06/22:30 07/05:00 A388 D-AIMC

LH9882 FRA BKK 05/21:00 06/12:30 A388 D-AIMA
LH9882 BKK AKL 06/16:30 07/09:10 A388 D-AIMA
LH351 AKL BKK 07/14:30 07/21:00 A388 D-AIMA
LH351 BKK FRA 07/22:30 08/05:00 A388 D-AIMA

LH9882 FRA BKK 06/21:00 07/12:30 A388 D-AIMJ
LH9882 BKK AKL 07/16:30 08/09:10 A388 D-AIMJ
LH351 AKL BKK 08/14:30 08/21:00 A388 D-AIMJ
LH351 BKK FRA 08/22:30 09/05:00 A388 D-AIMJ

AUSTRIAN
All times local

OS1023 VIE KUL 05/23:10 06/15:55 B772 OE-LPD
OS1433 KUL CHC 07/09:05 07/23:15 B772 OE-LPD
OS1024 CHC AKL 09/16:00 09/17:10 B772 OE-LPD
OS1024 AKL KUL 09/19:00 10/01:40 B772 OE-LPD
OS1024 KUL VIE 10/03:20 10/09:20 B772 OE-LPD
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:24 am

Lastest AirNZ Cargo Charter Flights

NZ6085 789 08-Apr-20 AKL TPE 07:35 15:05
NZ6086 789 09-Apr-20 TPE AKL 08:00 23:30

NZ6089 789 09-Apr-20 AKL TPE 07:35 15:05
NZ6088 789 10-Apr-20 TPE AKL 08:00 23:30

NZ6080 77W 04-Apr-20 AKL LAX 19:30 11:40
NZ6081 77W 05-Apr-20 LAX AKL 11:00 18:55

NZ6081 77W 07-Apr-20 AKL MEL 08:15 10:20
NZ6082 77W 07-Apr-20 MEL AKL 12:15 17:50

NZ6084 78N 08-Apr-20 AKL IAH 19:35 16:15
NZ6083 78N 09-Apr-20 IAH AKL 13:00 20:50
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:37 am

Cheers NZ3. Always good to know what’s coming up even if we can’t venture out, that’s quite some capacity from LH to both AKL and CHC, LX and OS as well. I remember seeing a SR MD11 once probably late 1990s in AKL.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:38 am

NZ3 wrote:
Initial LH Charter Flights info listed below. At this stage all flights preliminary, LH are waiting on NZ Government approval for the flights which has pushed back the entire schedule. I'm waiting on the latest update to come through.

OS sending a B772 down our way as well, details at bottom.

Also waiting on LX schedule to be confirmed. All I've got so far is LX8909 B77W HB-JNK AKL-BKK

LUFTHANSA
CHC - All times local

LH9914 FRA BKK 03/15:30 04/07:05 B744 D-ABVY
LH9914 BKK CHC 04/08:30 04/20:50 B744 D-ABVY
LH353 CHC BKK 05/20:50 06/03:30 B744 D-ABVY
LH353 BKK FRA 06/05:00 06/11:20 B744 D-ABVY

LH9880 FRA BKK 03/21:00 04/12:30 B744 D-ABVX
LH9880 BKK CHC 04/16:30 05/08:30 B744 D-ABVX
LH355 CHC BKK 05/21:00 06/03:40 B744 D-ABVX
LH355 BKK FRA 06/05:10 06/11:30 B744 D-ABVX

LH9880 FRA BKK 04/21:00 05/12:30 B744 D-ABTL
LH9880 BKK CHC 05/16:30 07/20:30 B744 D-ABTL
LH353 CHC BKK 06/15:20 06/21:30 B744 D-ABTL
LH353 BKK FRA 06/23:00 07/05:00 B744 D-ABTL

LH9880 FRA BKK 05/21:00 06/12:30 B744 D-ABVM
LH9880 BKK CHC 06/16:30 07/08:30 B744 D-ABVM
LH353 CHC BKK 07/15:20 07/21:30 B744 D-ABVM
LH353 BKK FRA 07/23:00 08/05:00 B744 D-ABVM

LH9880 FRA BKK 06/21:00 07/12:30 B744 D-ABVX
LH9880 BKK CHC 07/16:30 08/08:30 B744 D-ABVX
LH353 CHC BKK 08/15:20 08/21:30 B744 D-ABVX
LH353 BKK FRA 08/23:00 09/05:00 B744 D-ABVX

AKL - All times local

LH772 FRA BKK 02/21:00 03/12:45 A388 D-AIMJ
LH772 BKK AKL 04/08:45 05/00:45 A388 D-AIMJ
LH349 AKL BKK 05/20:45 06/03:35 A388 D-AIMJ
LH349 BKK FRA 06/05:35 06/12:05 A388 D-AIMJ

LH9882 FRA BKK 03/21:00 04/12:30 A388 D-AIMF
LH9882 BKK AKL 04/16:30 05/09:10 A388 D-AIMF
LH351 AKL BKK 05/21:00 06/03:50 A388 D-AIMF
LH351 BKK FRA 06/05:50 06/11:20 A388 D-AIMF

LH9882 FRA BKK 04/21:00 05/12:30 A388 D-AIMC
LH9882 BKK AKL 05/16:30 06/09:30 A388 D-AIMC
LH351 AKL BKK 06/14:30 06/21:00 A388 D-AIMC
LH351 BKK FRA 06/22:30 07/05:00 A388 D-AIMC

LH9882 FRA BKK 05/21:00 06/12:30 A388 D-AIMA
LH9882 BKK AKL 06/16:30 07/09:10 A388 D-AIMA
LH351 AKL BKK 07/14:30 07/21:00 A388 D-AIMA
LH351 BKK FRA 07/22:30 08/05:00 A388 D-AIMA

LH9882 FRA BKK 06/21:00 07/12:30 A388 D-AIMJ
LH9882 BKK AKL 07/16:30 08/09:10 A388 D-AIMJ
LH351 AKL BKK 08/14:30 08/21:00 A388 D-AIMJ
LH351 BKK FRA 08/22:30 09/05:00 A388 D-AIMJ

AUSTRIAN
All times local

OS1023 VIE KUL 05/23:10 06/15:55 B772 OE-LPD
OS1433 KUL CHC 07/09:05 07/23:15 B772 OE-LPD
OS1024 CHC AKL 09/16:00 09/17:10 B772 OE-LPD
OS1024 AKL KUL 09/19:00 10/01:40 B772 OE-LPD
OS1024 KUL VIE 10/03:20 10/09:20 B772 OE-LPD


That is allot of flights from Germany - there must be allot of Germans currently stuck here?

Could we see BA do an flight soon too?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:00 am

zkncj wrote:
That is allot of flights from Germany - there must be allot of Germans currently stuck here?


German media is reporting that NZ has the most stranded German tourists.

Of the 13,000 awaiting repatriation, 12,000 are in NZ. This will be the last major airlift for Germany.

https://m.dw.com/en/coronavirus-new-zea ... a-52988164
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:10 am

zkncj wrote:
NZ3 wrote:
Initial LH Charter Flights info listed below. At this stage all flights preliminary, LH are waiting on NZ Government approval for the flights which has pushed back the entire schedule. I'm waiting on the latest update to come through.

OS sending a B772 down our way as well, details at bottom.

Also waiting on LX schedule to be confirmed. All I've got so far is LX8909 B77W HB-JNK AKL-BKK

LUFTHANSA
CHC - All times local

LH9914 FRA BKK 03/15:30 04/07:05 B744 D-ABVY
LH9914 BKK CHC 04/08:30 04/20:50 B744 D-ABVY
LH353 CHC BKK 05/20:50 06/03:30 B744 D-ABVY
LH353 BKK FRA 06/05:00 06/11:20 B744 D-ABVY

LH9880 FRA BKK 03/21:00 04/12:30 B744 D-ABVX
LH9880 BKK CHC 04/16:30 05/08:30 B744 D-ABVX
LH355 CHC BKK 05/21:00 06/03:40 B744 D-ABVX
LH355 BKK FRA 06/05:10 06/11:30 B744 D-ABVX

LH9880 FRA BKK 04/21:00 05/12:30 B744 D-ABTL
LH9880 BKK CHC 05/16:30 07/20:30 B744 D-ABTL
LH353 CHC BKK 06/15:20 06/21:30 B744 D-ABTL
LH353 BKK FRA 06/23:00 07/05:00 B744 D-ABTL

LH9880 FRA BKK 05/21:00 06/12:30 B744 D-ABVM
LH9880 BKK CHC 06/16:30 07/08:30 B744 D-ABVM
LH353 CHC BKK 07/15:20 07/21:30 B744 D-ABVM
LH353 BKK FRA 07/23:00 08/05:00 B744 D-ABVM

LH9880 FRA BKK 06/21:00 07/12:30 B744 D-ABVX
LH9880 BKK CHC 07/16:30 08/08:30 B744 D-ABVX
LH353 CHC BKK 08/15:20 08/21:30 B744 D-ABVX
LH353 BKK FRA 08/23:00 09/05:00 B744 D-ABVX

AKL - All times local

LH772 FRA BKK 02/21:00 03/12:45 A388 D-AIMJ
LH772 BKK AKL 04/08:45 05/00:45 A388 D-AIMJ
LH349 AKL BKK 05/20:45 06/03:35 A388 D-AIMJ
LH349 BKK FRA 06/05:35 06/12:05 A388 D-AIMJ

LH9882 FRA BKK 03/21:00 04/12:30 A388 D-AIMF
LH9882 BKK AKL 04/16:30 05/09:10 A388 D-AIMF
LH351 AKL BKK 05/21:00 06/03:50 A388 D-AIMF
LH351 BKK FRA 06/05:50 06/11:20 A388 D-AIMF

LH9882 FRA BKK 04/21:00 05/12:30 A388 D-AIMC
LH9882 BKK AKL 05/16:30 06/09:30 A388 D-AIMC
LH351 AKL BKK 06/14:30 06/21:00 A388 D-AIMC
LH351 BKK FRA 06/22:30 07/05:00 A388 D-AIMC

LH9882 FRA BKK 05/21:00 06/12:30 A388 D-AIMA
LH9882 BKK AKL 06/16:30 07/09:10 A388 D-AIMA
LH351 AKL BKK 07/14:30 07/21:00 A388 D-AIMA
LH351 BKK FRA 07/22:30 08/05:00 A388 D-AIMA

LH9882 FRA BKK 06/21:00 07/12:30 A388 D-AIMJ
LH9882 BKK AKL 07/16:30 08/09:10 A388 D-AIMJ
LH351 AKL BKK 08/14:30 08/21:00 A388 D-AIMJ
LH351 BKK FRA 08/22:30 09/05:00 A388 D-AIMJ

AUSTRIAN
All times local

OS1023 VIE KUL 05/23:10 06/15:55 B772 OE-LPD
OS1433 KUL CHC 07/09:05 07/23:15 B772 OE-LPD
OS1024 CHC AKL 09/16:00 09/17:10 B772 OE-LPD
OS1024 AKL KUL 09/19:00 10/01:40 B772 OE-LPD
OS1024 KUL VIE 10/03:20 10/09:20 B772 OE-LPD


That is allot of flights from Germany - there must be allot of Germans currently stuck here?

Could we see BA do an flight soon too?


In the region of 15000 Germans alone in the country currently, the German foreign office have said spare seats, if any, would be available to other Europeans too if they wished to return which will soak up more of the capacity.

Wasn't there something where BA were encouraging their people/stranded pax onto Qatar, hence their increase in flights, including the 2nd daily AKL
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:44 am

NZ3 wrote:
Initial LH Charter Flights info listed below. At this stage all flights preliminary, LH are waiting on NZ Government approval for the flights which has pushed back the entire schedule. I'm waiting on the latest update to come through.

OS sending a B772 down our way as well, details at bottom.

Also waiting on LX schedule to be confirmed. All I've got so far is LX8909 B77W HB-JNK AKL-BKK

LUFTHANSA
CHC - All times local

LH9914 FRA BKK 03/15:30 04/07:05 B744 D-ABVY
LH9914 BKK CHC 04/08:30 04/20:50 B744 D-ABVY
LH353 CHC BKK 05/20:50 06/03:30 B744 D-ABVY
LH353 BKK FRA 06/05:00 06/11:20 B744 D-ABVY

LH9880 FRA BKK 03/21:00 04/12:30 B744 D-ABVX
LH9880 BKK CHC 04/16:30 05/08:30 B744 D-ABVX
LH355 CHC BKK 05/21:00 06/03:40 B744 D-ABVX
LH355 BKK FRA 06/05:10 06/11:30 B744 D-ABVX

LH9880 FRA BKK 04/21:00 05/12:30 B744 D-ABTL
LH9880 BKK CHC 05/16:30 07/20:30 B744 D-ABTL
LH353 CHC BKK 06/15:20 06/21:30 B744 D-ABTL
LH353 BKK FRA 06/23:00 07/05:00 B744 D-ABTL

LH9880 FRA BKK 05/21:00 06/12:30 B744 D-ABVM
LH9880 BKK CHC 06/16:30 07/08:30 B744 D-ABVM
LH353 CHC BKK 07/15:20 07/21:30 B744 D-ABVM
LH353 BKK FRA 07/23:00 08/05:00 B744 D-ABVM

LH9880 FRA BKK 06/21:00 07/12:30 B744 D-ABVX
LH9880 BKK CHC 07/16:30 08/08:30 B744 D-ABVX
LH353 CHC BKK 08/15:20 08/21:30 B744 D-ABVX
LH353 BKK FRA 08/23:00 09/05:00 B744 D-ABVX

AKL - All times local

LH772 FRA BKK 02/21:00 03/12:45 A388 D-AIMJ
LH772 BKK AKL 04/08:45 05/00:45 A388 D-AIMJ
LH349 AKL BKK 05/20:45 06/03:35 A388 D-AIMJ
LH349 BKK FRA 06/05:35 06/12:05 A388 D-AIMJ

LH9882 FRA BKK 03/21:00 04/12:30 A388 D-AIMF
LH9882 BKK AKL 04/16:30 05/09:10 A388 D-AIMF
LH351 AKL BKK 05/21:00 06/03:50 A388 D-AIMF
LH351 BKK FRA 06/05:50 06/11:20 A388 D-AIMF

LH9882 FRA BKK 04/21:00 05/12:30 A388 D-AIMC
LH9882 BKK AKL 05/16:30 06/09:30 A388 D-AIMC
LH351 AKL BKK 06/14:30 06/21:00 A388 D-AIMC
LH351 BKK FRA 06/22:30 07/05:00 A388 D-AIMC

LH9882 FRA BKK 05/21:00 06/12:30 A388 D-AIMA
LH9882 BKK AKL 06/16:30 07/09:10 A388 D-AIMA
LH351 AKL BKK 07/14:30 07/21:00 A388 D-AIMA
LH351 BKK FRA 07/22:30 08/05:00 A388 D-AIMA

LH9882 FRA BKK 06/21:00 07/12:30 A388 D-AIMJ
LH9882 BKK AKL 07/16:30 08/09:10 A388 D-AIMJ
LH351 AKL BKK 08/14:30 08/21:00 A388 D-AIMJ
LH351 BKK FRA 08/22:30 09/05:00 A388 D-AIMJ

AUSTRIAN
All times local

OS1023 VIE KUL 05/23:10 06/15:55 B772 OE-LPD
OS1433 KUL CHC 07/09:05 07/23:15 B772 OE-LPD
OS1024 CHC AKL 09/16:00 09/17:10 B772 OE-LPD
OS1024 AKL KUL 09/19:00 10/01:40 B772 OE-LPD
OS1024 KUL VIE 10/03:20 10/09:20 B772 OE-LPD


Wow I never thought these aircraft would be sighted at AKL or CHC. Indeed a few of them I have flown. I do hope some passengers or staff on duty will take the opportunity to at least get a picture of this unprecedented event.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 4:25 pm

NYKiwi wrote:
Interesting times alright...was looking to come back early November....at the moment NZ still have the EWR - AKL flight loaded but expect this will be cancelled and routed through LAX or SFO...also to the point above was thinking if NZ would ban people coming from places like NY given the infection rates etc...bit of a bummer for kiwis wanting to come home and visit families have to wait and see how this all transpires.


I doubt very much they can ( or would) ban Kiwis from heading home.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:16 pm

NTLDaz wrote:
NYKiwi wrote:
Interesting times alright...was looking to come back early November....at the moment NZ still have the EWR - AKL flight loaded but expect this will be cancelled and routed through LAX or SFO...also to the point above was thinking if NZ would ban people coming from places like NY given the infection rates etc...bit of a bummer for kiwis wanting to come home and visit families have to wait and see how this all transpires.


I doubt very much they can ( or would) ban Kiwis from heading home.

The thing is right now if there are NZers in the USA who want to come home for a visit as opposed to returning to live in NZ, there is no guarantee they would be able to get back in to the USA unless they are US citizens as well. Plus they would be subject to quarantine orders on arrival here in NZ, and most likely on their return to the USA.

November? It feels like a million years since the beginning of March, so it’s way too early to know what November will look like. The statements from the Prime Minister and Air New Zealand would certainly indicate not to expect international passenger travel for an extended period of time though.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:52 pm

Korean Air is also doing a special flight KE2929 to Christchurch tomorrow (Sunday) arriving at 0655..
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:53 pm

Does anyone know what's happening with air traffic control with so few flights about?
I'm thinking particularly airports like HLZ, PMR, and IVC with no passenger flights left (although they may have a few freight and private flights). It'd be quite weird sitting in the tower all day doing absolutely nothing, so do they have the ability to become uncontrolled with pilots all sharing a frequency, maybe get monitored remotely (like from OHA), or do they just close down completely for certain periods of time?
Time for a new viewing deck at AKL!
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:02 pm

axio wrote:
Does anyone know what's happening with air traffic control with so few flights about?
I'm thinking particularly airports like HLZ, PMR, and IVC with no passenger flights left (although they may have a few freight and private flights). It'd be quite weird sitting in the tower all day doing absolutely nothing, so do they have the ability to become uncontrolled with pilots all sharing a frequency, maybe get monitored remotely (like from OHA), or do they just close down completely for certain periods of time?


Surely all of the small local towers are now closed, with all traffic being managed by AKL/CHC (CHC Normally covers nation airspace, and AKL covers Auckland and above eg the Pacific Ocean).

There would be no point to have controllers on duty at small airports, as all traffic would be pre-approved // planned to allow operation of uncontrolled towers.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:08 pm

90 jobs gone after Auckland Airport suspends second runway

About 90 contractors working for Auckland International Airport have lost their jobs after the airport announced it was putting major projects including a second runway on ice.

The airport has announced that it needs to cut costs and is suspending selected capital expenditure, worth more than $2 billion combined, including the long-planned runway.

Chief executive Adrian Littlewood said the outlook was too uncertain given that its international arrivals had virtually sunk to zero and Air New Zealand had slashed its flight schedule by 95 per cent for the next two months.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indust ... r-projects

Not to be unexpected the way things have changed so fast in the world of aviation.. But disappointing to many who have waited so long for it and the numbers will never stack up again for a second runway not for a very long time.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:27 pm

Towers are operating shorter hours, except for Woodbourne and Queenstown which are closed and unattended aerodrome procedures in place. Here's the current NOTAMs:

NZTG (TAURANGA)

B1667/20 FROM: 28 MAR 2020 19:00 TO: 04 APR 2020 06:00
AMEND TWR/FIS HR SER:
0825-2045 SUN
0600-2045 MON-FRI
0620-1735 SAT
HR IN NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME (NZDT)
NZDT IS 13 HR AHEAD OF UTC
REF AIP SUP 2/20

B1668/20 FROM: 04 APR 2020 20:00 TO: 05 APR 2020 09:00
AMEND TWR/FIS HR SER:
1115-1830 SUN
HR IN NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME (NZST)
NZST IS 12 HR AHEAD OF UTC
REF AIP SUP 2/20

NZHN (HAMILTON)

B1663/20
FROM: 03 APR 2020 18:10 TO: 04 APR 2020 06:10
AMEND TWR/FIS HR SER:
0710-1525 SAT
HR IN NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIMES (NZDT)
NZDT IS 13 HR AHEAD OF UTC
REF AIP SUP 2/20

B1664/20 FROM: 04 APR 2020 20:05 TO: 05 APR 2020 08:25
AMEND TWR/FIS HR SER:
0935-1505 SUN
HR IN NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME (NZST)
NZST IS 12 HR AHEAD OF UTC
REF AIP SUP 2/20

NZRO (ROTORUA)

B1704/20
FROM: 03 APR 2020 17:30 TO: 04 APR 2020 06:00
AMEND TWR/FIS HR SER:
0900-1425 SAT
HR IN NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME (NZDT)
NZDT IS 13 HR AHEAD OF UTC
REF AIP SUP 2/20

B1705/20 FROM: 04 APR 2020 20:00 TO: 05 APR 2020 09:00
AMEND TWR/FIS HR SER:
1150-1745 SUN
HR IN NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME (NZST)
NZST IS 12 HR AHEAD OF UTC
REF AIP SUP 2/20

NZNP (NEW PLYMOUTH)

A1030/20
FROM: 03 APR 2020 17:20 TO: 04 APR 2020 06:00
AMEND APP/TWR/FIS HR SER:
0800-1300 SAT
HR IN NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME (NZDT)
NZDT IS 13 HR AHEAD OF UTC
REF AIP SUP 2/20

A1031/20 FROM: 04 APR 2020 20:45 TO: 22 APR 2020 09:00
AMEND APP/TWR/FIS HR SER:
0800-1300 DAILY
HR IN NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME (NZST)
NZST IS 12 HR AHEAD OF UTC
REF AIP SUP 2/20

NZNR (NAPIER)

B1758/20
FROM: 04 APR 2020 19:50 TO: 05 APR 2020 08:45
AMEND APP/TWR/FIS HR SER:
0750-1750 SUN
HR IN NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME (NZST)
NZST IS 12 HR AHEAD OF UTC
REF AIP SUP 2/20

NZPM (PALMERSTON NORTH)

B1836/20
FROM: 01 APR 2020 17:00 TO: 04 APR 2020 07:15
AMEND TWR/FIS HR SER:
0600-1920 THU
0600-1920 FRI
0620-1715 SAT
HR IN NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME (NZDT)
NZDT IS 13 HR AHEAD OF UTC
REF AIP SUP 2/20

B1898/20 FROM: 04 APR 2020 20:00 TO: 05 APR 2020 09:50
AMEND TWR/FIS HR SER:
0935-1410 SUN
HR IN NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME (NZST)
NZST IS 12 HR AHEAD OF UTC
REF AIP SUP 2/20

NZNS (NELSON)

B1886/20
FROM: 03 APR 2020 16:45 TO: 04 APR 2020 06:10
AMEND TWR/FIS HR SER:
1100-1630 SAT
HR IN NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME (NZDT)
NZDT IS 13 HR AHEAD OF UTC
REF AIP SUP 2/20

B1887/20 FROM: 04 APR 2020 19:10 TO: 10 APR 2020 08:45
AMEND APP/TWR/FIS HR SER:
1100-1630 SUN
0650-1625 MON-FRI
HR IN NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME (NZST)
NZST IS 12 HR AHEAD OF UTC
REF AIP SUP 2/20

NZWB (WOODBOURNE)

A1028/20
FROM: 03 APR 2020 16:50 TO: 22 APR 2020 00:00 EST
TWR/FIS SER NOT AVBL. UNATTENDED AD PROCEDURES APPLY. SERVICE
AVBL WITH 60 MIN PN TO AIRPORT MANAGER TEL +64 21 258 6066

NZQN (QUEENSTOWN)

B1884/20
FROM: 03 APR 2020 17:25 TO: 22 APR 2020 21:00 EST
TWR/FIS SER NOT AVBL. UNATTENDED PROCEDURES APPLY.
SERVICE AVBL WITH 60 MIN PN TO AIRPORT MANAGER TEL +64 21 222 9479

NZDN (DUNEDIN)

B1902/20
FROM: 03 APR 2020 18:15 TO: 04 APR 2020 07:15
APP/TWR/FIS SER NOT AVBL. UNATTENDED AD PROCEDURES APPLY. SERVICE
AVBL WITH 60 MIN PN TO AIRPORT MANAGER TEL +64 27 218 9624

B1903/20 FROM: 04 APR 2020 20:00 TO: 05 APR 2020 12:55
AMEND APP/TWR/FIS HR SER:
1200-1700 SUN
HR IN NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME (NZST)
NZST IS 12 HR AHEAD OF UTC
REF AIP SUP 2/20

NZNV (INVERCARGILL)

B1893/20
FROM: 03 APR 2020 17:30 TO: 04 APR 2020 06:00
AMEND APP/TWR/FIS HR SER:
1010-1455 SAT
HR IN NEW ZEALAND DAYLIGHT TIME (NZDT)
NZDT IS 13 HR AHEAD OF UTC
REF AIP SUP 2/20

B1896/20 FROM: 04 APR 2020 20:30 TO: 07 APR 2020 08:35
AMEND APP/TWR/FIS HR SER:
1010-1455 SUN
1010-1455 MON
1010-1455 TUE
HR IN NEW ZEALAND STANDARD TIME (NZST)
NZST IS 12 HR AHEAD OF UTC
REF AIP SUP 2/20

Fire and rescue services have also been downgraded in Christchurch, Invercargill, Ohakea and Wellington (with ability to upgrade with prior notice).

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