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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:31 am

Kiwiandrew wrote:
Fair use excerpt : "An Air New Zealand 777-300ER is now flying a specialist team of five engineers from Frankfurt to Auckland, via Vancouver, to fix burst pipes under the Mount Albert volcano."

Interesting use of the return leg of the repat flight
https://australianaviation.com.au/2020/ ... w-zealand/

Apart from being a typical Jafa and not knowing there was a Mt Albert in Wellington, I would have to assume these engineers are being paid a pretty penny, uh, Euro - they will come here and go straight into two weeks quarantine in AKL, then travel down to Welly to do their job, then when they finish, they can't have any real idea of how/when they will get back home


Is they are considered essential service would they not be exempt from the quarantine like air crew have been?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:37 am

anstar wrote:
Kiwiandrew wrote:
Fair use excerpt : "An Air New Zealand 777-300ER is now flying a specialist team of five engineers from Frankfurt to Auckland, via Vancouver, to fix burst pipes under the Mount Albert volcano."

Interesting use of the return leg of the repat flight
https://australianaviation.com.au/2020/ ... w-zealand/

Apart from being a typical Jafa and not knowing there was a Mt Albert in Wellington, I would have to assume these engineers are being paid a pretty penny, uh, Euro - they will come here and go straight into two weeks quarantine in AKL, then travel down to Welly to do their job, then when they finish, they can't have any real idea of how/when they will get back home


Is they are considered essential service would they not be exempt from the quarantine like air crew have been?


Not according to news sources ... Wellington Water who have arranged and paid for them to come here have definitely said they will first have two weeks quarantine in Auckland
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:15 am

Scratch LAS off the list: too close to LAX, little premium traffic, little LAS originating traffic, summer heat operating restrictions.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:47 am

eta unknown wrote:
Scratch LAS off the list: too close to LAX, little premium traffic, little LAS originating traffic, summer heat operating restrictions.


I think we've been round this course before.... LAS too close to LAX, DEN can't sustain the traffic or yields year-round, SEA is possible but too close to YVR. What's changed to enliven this discussion again? The market has tanked. What gives?
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:42 pm

Why is everyone being so quick to say they will pull the plug on EWR?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:14 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Why is everyone being so quick to say they will pull the plug on EWR?

I doubt that NZ will be quick to pull the plug on EWR altogether, not least because it obviously sees it as its flagship route (as NZ1 and 2). Having said that, it's almost certain to be delayed significantly. When capacity starts to expand again it will be with a whimper, not a bang. Every route, no matter how successfully operated pre-Covid will have to justify it's existence in the new order.

Re the USA, one issue is whether the carrier will expand by increasing frequency to daily before adding new routes, or whether re-establishing diverse destinations, even if at lower frequency, will be the main thrust.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:12 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Why is everyone being so quick to say they will pull the plug on EWR?


I would expect a delay of a year so to start Oct 21 allowing time for the market to recover and demand to return.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:04 pm

DavidByrne wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Why is everyone being so quick to say they will pull the plug on EWR?

I doubt that NZ will be quick to pull the plug on EWR altogether, not least because it obviously sees it as its flagship route (as NZ1 and 2). Having said that, it's almost certain to be delayed significantly. When capacity starts to expand again it will be with a whimper, not a bang. Every route, no matter how successfully operated pre-Covid will have to justify it's existence in the new order.

Re the USA, one issue is whether the carrier will expand by increasing frequency to daily before adding new routes, or whether re-establishing diverse destinations, even if at lower frequency, will be the main thrust.



Current thinking is to rebuild the LH international airline around the 787 fleet so any flying outside of this will have to meet an even higher demand threshold with the 777's "different economics". That could well change if we see ongoing government support for trade links, maybe allowing the airline the ability to use the 77W on certain routes (with these being underwritten or directly subsidised). I suspect we are unlikely to see ORD or EWR in the short term. But either way, only so many 787 airframes to go around.
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Had. :D


:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

I am still here, though ;-)


And it's not too bad a place to be.

It was great to see the LH crews and their flybys, a very nice gesture.

It's a wonderful place to be - been here for many many years...for a reason :-)

Yes, both the fly-bys and the crew's Easter bunny story were so nice. Little gestures can make a huge difference!


I agree.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:36 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Why is everyone being so quick to say they will pull the plug on EWR?


What do you think will happen?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:52 pm

DavidByrne wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Why is everyone being so quick to say they will pull the plug on EWR?

I doubt that NZ will be quick to pull the plug on EWR altogether, not least because it obviously sees it as its flagship route (as NZ1 and 2). Having said that, it's almost certain to be delayed significantly. When capacity starts to expand again it will be with a whimper, not a bang. Every route, no matter how successfully operated pre-Covid will have to justify it's existence in the new order.

Re the USA, one issue is whether the carrier will expand by increasing frequency to daily before adding new routes, or whether re-establishing diverse destinations, even if at lower frequency, will be the main thrust.


I agree re EWR. I would think a single daily to LAX maybe UA who will have a lot of capacity spare asewll will do a seasonal to increase capacity there. All others initially being less than daily, SFO possibly daily with an NZ/UA mix.

Some routes wont return anytime soon, just which ones remains to be seen, ones like RAR-LAX/SYD will be interesting given they are subsidized but the Cooks will have nothing unless they can get HA to HNL or something.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:50 am

At this stage NZ is considering no scheduled 777 flying for the rest of the year if not into next year. Might still be the odd charter or freight but that’s probably about it unless things rapidly change (vaccine).
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:57 am

Government has announced details of level 3 restrictions: https://covid19.govt.nz/alert-system/alert-level-3/

Key point related to transport:
Travel and transport
Travel is still restricted, and is only allowed for permitted movement in your local area – e.g. for going to work or school, shopping, or getting exercise.

Public transport will still be available. You can use it to travel to work or school, but be aware there will be limited capacity. You should sit 2 metres away from other people on public transport.

Regional travel is allowed for permitted movement, with some exceptions – our Alert Level 3 table [PDF, 1.5 MB] has more detail.

Other travel should not be undertaken. The risk of transmitting the disease is too high. This is not a time to take a holiday, travel between regions to celebrate birthdays or travel from one side of a city to the other to go to a supermarket when there is a suitable one in your local area.

Exaamples to explain these measures
If you need to go to work or school, you can make your usual commute, even if you cross a regional boundary to do so. You cannot travel to another region for a recreation or work (unless you are an essential worker travelling for work).

You should not take a flight to another region unless you are an essential worker, travelling to do essential work.

FAQs
How can I stay safe on public transport?


Public transport will have fewer people on-board to maintain distancing, and buses and trains will be regularly disinfected. You should thoroughly wash your hands with soap and water immediately after taking public transport.

How far can I travel?

Don’t travel inter-regionally, unless your local area crosses a regional boundary. Keep as local as you can, while doing your usual commute to work and school (if not working from home or doing distance learning).

Can I take public transport if I am sick?

You should avoid public transport if you are sick. Call your GP or Healthline to get advice.


In practice it sounds like Level 3 restrictions will be effectively the same for New Zealand’s airlines as Level 4.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:33 am

Zkpilot wrote:
At this stage NZ is considering no scheduled 777 flying for the rest of the year if not into next year. Might still be the odd charter or freight but that’s probably about it unless things rapidly change (vaccine).


I do wonder what the plan is for the 777 fleet, more so the 77W fleet, you will have every airline wanting to return leased aircraft that aren’t off lease which will create a huge glut.

- Hang on to the owned 77W, 4 aircraft and use for freight and into LAX/SFO as the market recovers.

-Park all 7 77W until market recovers, use for freight runs and charters as ZKpilot says.

-Dispose of all 7 77W.

-NZ1 did say the 772 fleet may not fly again, though looking into freight conversion for at least 1. I can’t see them being needed for scheduled pax use. PKE has been doing NZ1/2 every 2nd day.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:11 am

Anyone know why NZ7571 (B757, military) is flying at only 5000ft across north island?
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:23 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
Zkpilot wrote:
At this stage NZ is considering no scheduled 777 flying for the rest of the year if not into next year. Might still be the odd charter or freight but that’s probably about it unless things rapidly change (vaccine).


I do wonder what the plan is for the 777 fleet, more so the 77W fleet, you will have every airline wanting to return leased aircraft that aren’t off lease which will create a huge glut.

- Hang on to the owned 77W, 4 aircraft and use for freight and into LAX/SFO as the market recovers.

-Park all 7 77W until market recovers, use for freight runs and charters as ZKpilot says.

-Dispose of all 7 77W.

-NZ1 did say the 772 fleet may not fly again, though looking into freight conversion for at least 1. I can’t see them being needed for scheduled pax use. PKE has been doing NZ1/2 every 2nd day.

-

Looks like Air New Zealand aren’t expecting the 777s back until April next year, and will be accordingly cutting crew: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2 ... izing.html

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:40 am

VirginFlyer wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
Zkpilot wrote:
At this stage NZ is considering no scheduled 777 flying for the rest of the year if not into next year. Might still be the odd charter or freight but that’s probably about it unless things rapidly change (vaccine).


I do wonder what the plan is for the 777 fleet, more so the 77W fleet, you will have every airline wanting to return leased aircraft that aren’t off lease which will create a huge glut.

- Hang on to the owned 77W, 4 aircraft and use for freight and into LAX/SFO as the market recovers.

-Park all 7 77W until market recovers, use for freight runs and charters as ZKpilot says.

-Dispose of all 7 77W.

-NZ1 did say the 772 fleet may not fly again, though looking into freight conversion for at least 1. I can’t see them being needed for scheduled pax use. PKE has been doing NZ1/2 every 2nd day.

-

Looks like Air New Zealand aren’t expecting the 777s back until April next year, and will be accordingly cutting crew: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2 ... izing.html

V/F


Can also understand the 777 crew being the ones on chopping block as they are on the old Long-Haul contracts. When the 787 crews are on newer Mid-Haul contracts, which likely cost allot less.

Would expect the current 787 crews would get trained to be able to operate both 787/777s once things build back up, then any rehires would be for the Mid-Haul contracts.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:00 am

VirginFlyer wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
Zkpilot wrote:
At this stage NZ is considering no scheduled 777 flying for the rest of the year if not into next year. Might still be the odd charter or freight but that’s probably about it unless things rapidly change (vaccine).


I do wonder what the plan is for the 777 fleet, more so the 77W fleet, you will have every airline wanting to return leased aircraft that aren’t off lease which will create a huge glut.

- Hang on to the owned 77W, 4 aircraft and use for freight and into LAX/SFO as the market recovers.

-Park all 7 77W until market recovers, use for freight runs and charters as ZKpilot says.

-Dispose of all 7 77W.

-NZ1 did say the 772 fleet may not fly again, though looking into freight conversion for at least 1. I can’t see them being needed for scheduled pax use. PKE has been doing NZ1/2 every 2nd day.

-

Looks like Air New Zealand aren’t expecting the 777s back until April next year, and will be accordingly cutting crew: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2 ... izing.html

V/F


I suspect the airline is being dirty and using this as a way to axe the more costly crew contracts.

I can see this ending up in court.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:47 am

zkncj wrote:
VirginFlyer wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:

I do wonder what the plan is for the 777 fleet, more so the 77W fleet, you will have every airline wanting to return leased aircraft that aren’t off lease which will create a huge glut.

- Hang on to the owned 77W, 4 aircraft and use for freight and into LAX/SFO as the market recovers.

-Park all 7 77W until market recovers, use for freight runs and charters as ZKpilot says.

-Dispose of all 7 77W.

-NZ1 did say the 772 fleet may not fly again, though looking into freight conversion for at least 1. I can’t see them being needed for scheduled pax use. PKE has been doing NZ1/2 every 2nd day.

-

Looks like Air New Zealand aren’t expecting the 777s back until April next year, and will be accordingly cutting crew: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2 ... izing.html

V/F


Can also understand the 777 crew being the ones on chopping block as they are on the old Long-Haul contracts. When the 787 crews are on newer Mid-Haul contracts, which likely cost allot less.

Would expect the current 787 crews would get trained to be able to operate both 787/777s once things build back up, then any rehires would be for the Mid-Haul contracts.

The old 777 crew are on protected contracts meaning it’s the newer “cheaper” crew that will get the chop first.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:11 am

Zkpilot wrote:
zkncj wrote:
VirginFlyer wrote:
Looks like Air New Zealand aren’t expecting the 777s back until April next year, and will be accordingly cutting crew: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2 ... izing.html

V/F


Can also understand the 777 crew being the ones on chopping block as they are on the old Long-Haul contracts. When the 787 crews are on newer Mid-Haul contracts, which likely cost allot less.

Would expect the current 787 crews would get trained to be able to operate both 787/777s once things build back up, then any rehires would be for the Mid-Haul contracts.

The old 777 crew are on protected contracts meaning it’s the newer “cheaper” crew that will get the chop first.


There are a few 'get out of jail free cards' though.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:14 am

You can get a good breakdown of what are all the changes. From the link
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2 ... izing.html

Here you can see the dramatic change with the mid/long haul crew going down by nearly two-thirds. From 1533 to 583 so a massive drop but still after the reductions they will still have surplus crew. It shows the scale of the changes affecting the company. With no flying planned for all 777s for a year!!!
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:18 am

NZ516 wrote:
You can get a good breakdown of what are all the changes. From the link
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2 ... izing.html

Here you can see the dramatic change with the mid/long haul crew going down by nearly two-thirds. From 1533 to 583 so a massive drop but still after the reductions they will still have surplus crew. It shows the scale of the changes affecting the company.


Anyone know much that compares to the reduction of staff at NZ post Ansett/911?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 17, 2020 4:26 am

zkncj wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
You can get a good breakdown of what are all the changes. From the link
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2 ... izing.html

Here you can see the dramatic change with the mid/long haul crew going down by nearly two-thirds. From 1533 to 583 so a massive drop but still after the reductions they will still have surplus crew. It shows the scale of the changes affecting the company.


Anyone know much that compares to the reduction of staff at NZ post Ansett/911?


This would be far greater as post 911 most routes were back to full capacity within days so would not see AIR NZ staff lose their jobs..
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:41 am

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With no flying planned for all 777s for a year!!!


CEO has said that was news to him. Newshub has form for sure sadly.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:20 pm

Interesting developments re VA should it eventuate, I've been saying since the NZ/VA split they should be domestic only and position themselves at the lower end of the market.

Could be the silver lining for their future

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Sun Apr 19, 2020 4:37 am

https://www.flightradar24.com/ANZ1961/2460a3e2

RAR-SYD is currently be operated as NZ1961 by ZK-NZM (789)

Must be an reasonable amount of fresh cargo demand ex-RAR still?
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Sun Apr 19, 2020 1:04 pm

As airliners around the world store planes in warm.dry.climates, as NZ moves into.it wet damp winter could.we see NZ move planes to.Oz .

Also is there a need to.do.regular maintenance on planes sitting..thought tney had to be careful.of the tires etc
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:40 am

I see that the British Government is arranging some repatriation flights (https://www.itv.com/news/2020-04-19/fiv ... w-zealand/)
Not stated which airline or which planes they will use though I saw in another article somewhere it will be either BA or Virgin
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Mon Apr 20, 2020 1:50 am

Wellywood wrote:
I see that the British Government is arranging some repatriation flights (https://www.itv.com/news/2020-04-19/fiv ... w-zealand/)
Not stated which airline or which planes they will use though I saw in another article somewhere it will be either BA or Virgin


Could be anyone at this stage, there is been flights operated to/from New Zealand by airlines not from the country that reparation is for.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:48 am

zkncj wrote:
Wellywood wrote:
I see that the British Government is arranging some repatriation flights (https://www.itv.com/news/2020-04-19/fiv ... w-zealand/)
Not stated which airline or which planes they will use though I saw in another article somewhere it will be either BA or Virgin


Could be anyone at this stage, there is been flights operated to/from New Zealand by airlines not from the country that reparation is for.


Could be CX? QR are running some additional repatriation flights from AKL and CHC via PER with 77Ws, no idea who they are for.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:43 am

With Virgin Australia fate not looking good, with the talk of them going into voluntary administration.

Wonder if NZ would make an bid for any of there mining contracts in the short-term? Could make some use of the A320s are sitting around not doing much good.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:16 pm

I'm sure crewing those mining contracts would pretty much make the entire situation unviable.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:56 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
zkncj wrote:
Wellywood wrote:
I see that the British Government is arranging some repatriation flights (https://www.itv.com/news/2020-04-19/fiv ... w-zealand/)
Not stated which airline or which planes they will use though I saw in another article somewhere it will be either BA or Virgin


Could be anyone at this stage, there is been flights operated to/from New Zealand by airlines not from the country that reparation is for.


Could be CX? QR are running some additional repatriation flights from AKL and CHC via PER with 77Ws, no idea who they are for.


Looks like it will be on NZ, connecting to BA at LAX.

According to Cam Wallace on Twitter https://twitter.com/CamWallace_NZ
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:34 am

AirNZ off on a return mission to DEL tomorrow. The logistics
to achieve this in the current lockdown situation (both countries)
must be awesome! Well done! I can't imagine positioning/repositoning
crew, so presumably the plane will layover long enough to get
the same crew to return
AirNZ have an amazing record of
charters/specials over the years. I hope they value and retain
the team who can do this.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:37 am

Wellywood wrote:
I see that the British Government is arranging some repatriation flights (https://www.itv.com/news/2020-04-19/fiv ... w-zealand/)
Not stated which airline or which planes they will use though I saw in another article somewhere it will be either BA or Virgin


Flights will be operated by CX through HKG.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:31 am

Deepinsider wrote:
AirNZ off on a return mission to DEL tomorrow. The logistics
to achieve this in the current lockdown situation (both countries)
must be awesome! Well done! I can't imagine positioning/repositoning
crew, so presumably the plane will layover long enough to get
the same crew to return
AirNZ have an amazing record of
charters/specials over the years. I hope they value and retain
the team who can do this.



https://www.flightradar24.com/ANZ1954/2463ba74

tell me why this route wasn't started before? is it politics? as there is significant amount of traffic to DEL
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:59 am

dhaliwal wrote:
Deepinsider wrote:
AirNZ off on a return mission to DEL tomorrow. The logistics
to achieve this in the current lockdown situation (both countries)
must be awesome! Well done! I can't imagine positioning/repositoning
crew, so presumably the plane will layover long enough to get
the same crew to return
AirNZ have an amazing record of
charters/specials over the years. I hope they value and retain
the team who can do this.



https://www.flightradar24.com/ANZ1954/2463ba74

tell me why this route wasn't started before? is it politics? as there is significant amount of traffic to DEL

Probably the simple answer (as it is to pretty much every "why doesn't airline X fly to destination Y?" questions) is that they could command greater yield by deploying a limited resource (aircraft) to other destinations.

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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:09 am

VirginFlyer wrote:
dhaliwal wrote:
Deepinsider wrote:
AirNZ off on a return mission to DEL tomorrow. The logistics
to achieve this in the current lockdown situation (both countries)
must be awesome! Well done! I can't imagine positioning/repositoning
crew, so presumably the plane will layover long enough to get
the same crew to return
AirNZ have an amazing record of
charters/specials over the years. I hope they value and retain
the team who can do this.



https://www.flightradar24.com/ANZ1954/2463ba74

tell me why this route wasn't started before? is it politics? as there is significant amount of traffic to DEL

Probably the simple answer (as it is to pretty much every "why doesn't airline X fly to destination Y?" questions) is that they could command greater yield by deploying a limited resource (aircraft) to other destinations.

V/F


India is a long way, decent sized market but a lot of low yield VFR traffic easier served over SIN with connections to multiple cities in India.

As V/F says better yeild elsewhere for the 787 fleet.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 22, 2020 2:53 am

With the B772 being unlikely to fly again for NZ, will IAH go to a 77W permanently or down to a 789?
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:18 am

Could we be about to hear more job cuts from Air NZ soon? They have announced around 1500 so far mainly pilots and cabin crew. Might be another 2000+ in other areas of the company Ground crew, Maintenance, office roles etc. Many areas will face downsizing going forward, but more time maybe is needed before exact numbers are worked through. Lots of good people will be affected that is for sure.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 22, 2020 3:35 am

NZ516 wrote:
Could we be about to hear more job cuts from Air NZ soon? They have announced around 1500 so far mainly pilots and cabin crew. Might be another 2000+ in other areas of the company Ground crew, Maintenance, office roles etc. Many areas will face downsizing going forward, but more time maybe is needed before exact numbers are worked through. Lots of good people will be affected that is for sure.


Would it depend on how long the government is stumping up a subsidy ? No airline really needs many staff right now.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:12 am

AVENSAB727 wrote:
With the B772 being unlikely to fly again for NZ, will IAH go to a 77W permanently or down to a 789?


That’s anyone’s guess, how quickly will demand recover and when will IAH restart and at what frequency? What roll will the 77W even have depending on the market.

The 772/77W combo is good as it allows for different loads, although the only difference in the 312 seats on the 772 and 342 on the 77W is all in the premium cabins. The 787/777 are seperate crews, I’m not sure they will want 2 types on 1 route as there will be a lot less crews to go around.

I personally think they will start with LAX/SFO possibly 2 daily to LAX daily to SFO with 789s plus Whatever UA do to SFO and as demand grows maybe LAX drops back to 1 daily or 10 weekly with the 77W coming back then to allow a 3-5 weekly 789 to IAH to restart.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:13 am

NTLDaz wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
Could we be about to hear more job cuts from Air NZ soon? They have announced around 1500 so far mainly pilots and cabin crew. Might be another 2000+ in other areas of the company Ground crew, Maintenance, office roles etc. Many areas will face downsizing going forward, but more time maybe is needed before exact numbers are worked through. Lots of good people will be affected that is for sure.


Would it depend on how long the government is stumping up a subsidy ? No airline really needs many staff right now.


They said over 3000 redundant initially.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 22, 2020 4:16 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
NTLDaz wrote:
NZ516 wrote:
Could we be about to hear more job cuts from Air NZ soon? They have announced around 1500 so far mainly pilots and cabin crew. Might be another 2000+ in other areas of the company Ground crew, Maintenance, office roles etc. Many areas will face downsizing going forward, but more time maybe is needed before exact numbers are worked through. Lots of good people will be affected that is for sure.


Would it depend on how long the government is stumping up a subsidy ? No airline really needs many staff right now.


They said over 3000 redundant initially.


Redundant not just stood down / furloughed? I think it's fair to say just about every airline in the world is likely to come out of this a much smaller airline.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 22, 2020 5:57 am

NTLDaz wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
NTLDaz wrote:

Would it depend on how long the government is stumping up a subsidy ? No airline really needs many staff right now.


They said over 3000 redundant initially.


Redundant not just stood down / furloughed? I think it's fair to say just about every airline in the world is likely to come out of this a much smaller airline.


Redundant, with ways to get back in when needed I think for pilots and cabin crew.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:00 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
I personally think they will start with LAX/SFO possibly 2 daily to LAX daily to SFO with 789s plus Whatever UA do to SFO and as demand grows maybe LAX drops back to 1 daily or 10 weekly with the 77W coming back then to allow a 3-5 weekly 789 to IAH to restart.

I think that’s wildly optimistic. The USA is going to be a “no-go zone” for most kiwis for a long time, given the ongoing rapid spread of the virus there. And NZ will be off-limits to most Americans except those who are willing to go into a fortnight’s quarantine on arrival. Only when a vaccine is in widespread use will we see any significant uptick in international travel, and even then it will be a long, slow process. And a vaccine is still considered to be 12-18 months away. I suspect that 3x weekly to LAX will be pretty much all the flights to the USA for NZ until then. Good luck to UA if they want to p**s their cash away operating their 3x weekly to SFO.

IMHO the most likely international markets are those that could be declared virus-free, or close to that. An agreement with Australia, the Cooks, Samoa and Tonga (possibly Fiji also) to have common immigration rules for Covid (ie no quarantine for pax from these countries) could allow the creation of a South Pacific travel “bubble”. Possible candidates to join might be Hong Kong, and Taiwan. But if any of these countries allow entry without quarantine to Europeans or Americans that would disqualify them. Our PM has been repeatedly clear we will not change rules that may potentially jeopardise the successes we have achieved. The airline industry is positively the most high risk sector of our economy in potentially undoing these gains.
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:51 am

DavidByrne wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
I personally think they will start with LAX/SFO possibly 2 daily to LAX daily to SFO with 789s plus Whatever UA do to SFO and as demand grows maybe LAX drops back to 1 daily or 10 weekly with the 77W coming back then to allow a 3-5 weekly 789 to IAH to restart.

I think that’s wildly optimistic. The USA is going to be a “no-go zone” for most kiwis for a long time, given the ongoing rapid spread of the virus there. And NZ will be off-limits to most Americans except those who are willing to go into a fortnight’s quarantine on arrival. Only when a vaccine is in widespread use will we see any significant uptick in international travel, and even then it will be a long, slow process. And a vaccine is still considered to be 12-18 months away. I suspect that 3x weekly to LAX will be pretty much all the flights to the USA for NZ until then. Good luck to UA if they want to p**s their cash away operating their 3x weekly to SFO.

IMHO the most likely international markets are those that could be declared virus-free, or close to that. An agreement with Australia, the Cooks, Samoa and Tonga (possibly Fiji also) to have common immigration rules for Covid (ie no quarantine for pax from these countries) could allow the creation of a South Pacific travel “bubble”. Possible candidates to join might be Hong Kong, and Taiwan. But if any of these countries allow entry without quarantine to Europeans or Americans that would disqualify them. Our PM has been repeatedly clear we will not change rules that may potentially jeopardise the successes we have achieved. The airline industry is positively the most high risk sector of our economy in potentially undoing these gains.


I didn’t give a timeframe, yes they will probably start with a few weekly to LAX then SFO, what I’m not being clear in is build them from there and then take some of that capacity and add it to IAH etc as demand recovers.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:53 am

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ushed-back

A few updates including pushing back the 781 and delaying the new business product.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 22, 2020 1:15 pm

Let’s bring it back to aviation, albeit not good news.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/121193 ... evastating
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:03 pm

Hi, does anyone know whether Jetstar are storing their New Zealand aircraft in New Zealand or Australia?

Thanks.
 
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Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:20 pm

Just a reminder that this thread is for discussion of NZ aviation. There are appropriate aviation and non aviation coronavirus threads that are better suited for that sort of discussion.

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