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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:29 am

I think that calling the CAPA item a report is an overstatement. Its more like an op ed at best (much Like the Anthony Klan article). AnthonyKlan might be beating it up to boost his own profile as a commentator.

Both of these articles are next to useless..
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:15 am

What is the set up regarding the potential bail out of VA by the federal government? As VA is majority (by far) foreign owned, what would be put in place by VA and the government to ensure the bailout funds are kept in VA accounts and not taken off shore by the airlines foreign owners?

The way VA managers are talking they are openly predicting VA will not survive this crisis without the requested government bail out and are basically threatening the government with words such as "The federal government wants to emerge from this crisis with two airlines," he said. "And without us, it is not going to have one. We all know what would happen if there was a monopoly." Hardly confidence boosting! Are those the words a CEO should be taking to the government cap in hand?

I want VA to survive the crisis that has been laid upon us all (thanks for that!) along with Qantas, but it needs to be a level playing field, if VA fall over it will not be the fault of anyones except their own management, sad to say. The government (and you would hope the opposition though I'm not overly hopeful) are not stupid enough to think another airline won't be set up in time to replace VA, yes QF will have a monopoly but not forever and maybe well be wounded by this crisis themselves (probably not though)

https://www.stawelltimes.com.au/story/6 ... take-wing/
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:11 am

In the new publicly released information Qantas (Jet Connect Limited) has applied for $4,934,779.20NZD from the New Zealand Government, to go towards 702 employees.
Source: https://services.workandincome.govt.nz/eps/search
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:13 am

Virgin to suspend all flights except a single SYD-MEL run till mid June

https://twitter.com/ausbt/status/124813 ... 45792?s=21
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:21 am

Well that's it then, VA is done.

The level of financial assistance that they would require to get through this is probably several times more than the $1.4b that they have asked for at this stage. Better to spend those billions on supporting VA's workforce and vulnerable supply chains rather than their creditors and foreign backers.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:21 am

^

As much as people would want to stay positive for VA, sadly it looks like the "writing is on the wall" for VAH.

Can only hope VA picks up more "international repatriation charters" for the meantime.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:35 am

Not being a religious person (anymore), it surprised me that Good Friday will be tomorrow. I’ve expunged the Catholic teachings of my youth and can no longer remember the correct etiquette. But a Happy Easter to one and all. Hope you can have as pleasant a time as possible in isolation.

Also, a hearty and sincere thank you to those in all parts of the travel industry who are no doubt not in the best of circumstances. Hoping there is a silver lining on the horizon not too far away for you.

Best Wishes.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:38 am

qf789 wrote:
Virgin to suspend all flights except a single SYD-MEL run till mid June

https://twitter.com/ausbt/status/124813 ... 45792?s=21


I struggle to see what the point would be? Maybe just to keep some of the 738 pilots current?

If VA goes its going to be an major loss to the Australia market, lossing its second major airline within 20 years.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:39 am

Found some Avalon photos of the parked aircraft: https://www.facebook.com/AvalonAirport/ ... 9080062987
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:41 am

Just to clarify, the 744s are just parked for now right? Qantas hasn’t announced they are retired have they?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:45 am

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Just to clarify, the 744s are just parked for now right? Qantas hasn’t announced they are retired have they?


VH-OEG exited the fleet last week. It isn't looking good for the remaining four.
B737/738/739/744ER/752/753/763/77L/77W/788/789
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:47 am

ACA772LR wrote:
Just to clarify, the 744s are just parked for now right? Qantas hasn’t announced they are retired have they?


Executive Traveler posted an article a few hours ago confirming they haven’t retired or sold them.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:49 am

zkncj wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Virgin to suspend all flights except a single SYD-MEL run till mid June

https://twitter.com/ausbt/status/124813 ... 45792?s=21


I struggle to see what the point would be? Maybe just to keep some of the 738 pilots current? .


That’s pretty much the only reason I can think of as well. Pilots need to perform a takeoff and landing every 4-6 weeks so they probably will share those sectors between a handful of instructors pilots in the hope if demand comes back those instructors can retrain the remaining pilots back up to speed quickly. The regulator would probably want at least some flying to be completed during the shutdown as well to maintain some form of recency.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:55 am

VAs is just minimising their loss.
No point flying aircraft with only 30-40 ppl on board
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:06 am

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VAs is just minimising their loss.
No point flying aircraft with only 30-40 ppl on board


Probably could just run an F100 on there daily SYD-MEL service and it still wouldn't be full.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:14 am

Is it safe to say the beginning of the end for VA :(


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:29 am

Personally don't see it..
As shown by the recent debt + equity capital raising by Carnival Cruise Lines (unlike US airlines the cruise lines won't get support due to lack of employing Americans or paying tax) which raised US$7bn and had demand for a lot more, there is a way to raise money.

It won't be cheap, and it will dilute the existing shareholders but that's life.. Raise $500m at 3c a share and I suspect some of the existing shareholders will support it to not be diluted.

If you dump international and Tiger, and just go back to Domestic and Velocity you've got a sustainable and recently profitable business.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:36 am

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Personally don't see it..
As shown by the recent debt + equity capital raising by Carnival Cruise Lines (unlike US airlines the cruise lines won't get support due to lack of employing Americans or paying tax) which raised US$7bn and had demand for a lot more, there is a way to raise money.

It won't be cheap, and it will dilute the existing shareholders but that's life.. Raise $500m at 3c a share and I suspect some of the existing shareholders will support it to not be diluted.

If you dump international and Tiger, and just go back to Domestic and Velocity you've got a sustainable and recently profitable business.


Only way I can see VA (or 'VA mk II) reverting to a domestic LCC (plus Velocity and the lounges in the Capital Cities) is when VA in its current form files administration.

The administrators would sort out VA's assets to see if a "VA mk II" is feasible with VA's assets. The Fokkers and Half the 737 fleet (which are owned) would form the FIFO and domestic side of a 'mk II' operation.

The x4 777-300ERs would have to be unfortunately sold off, a profitable LAX operation (before COVID-19) is not enough to prop up what's largely a loss-making VA-i operation overall. Perhaps the VA successor formed from a post-administration VA could look at (re)joining Value Alliance with the other Asian LCCs.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:46 am

It would seem to me that this announcement from VA is a bit of a stunt to get attention (perhaps rightly so) from the govt to get the support it wants.

I think VA could emerge well placed if it were put in voluntary administration. As others have said, they have a profitable domestic airline and Velocity. The problem is that they have carried too much fat over the years - international, Tiger and wide body aircraft.

If anything, the government should direct its support to VA’s workers and suppliers and not it’s shareholders.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:47 am

sierrakilo44 wrote:
zkncj wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Virgin to suspend all flights except a single SYD-MEL run till mid June

https://twitter.com/ausbt/status/124813 ... 45792?s=21


I struggle to see what the point would be? Maybe just to keep some of the 738 pilots current? .


That’s pretty much the only reason I can think of as well. Pilots need to perform a takeoff and landing every 4-6 weeks so they probably will share those sectors between a handful of instructors pilots in the hope if demand comes back those instructors can retrain the remaining pilots back up to speed quickly. The regulator would probably want at least some flying to be completed during the shutdown as well to maintain some form of recency.


Can be done in a simulator
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:52 am

QF742 wrote:
It would seem to me that this announcement from VA is a bit of a stunt to get attention (perhaps rightly so) from the govt to get the support it wants.

I think VA could emerge well placed if it were put in voluntary administration. As others have said, they have a profitable domestic airline and Velocity. The problem is that they have carried too much fat over the years - international, Tiger and wide body aircraft.

If anything, the government should direct its support to VA’s workers and suppliers and not it’s shareholders.


I agree with our government supporting the work force and suppliers & that’s as far of a bail out I find acceptable. The foreign shareholders would be rubbing their hands if our government agreed to inject the $1.4bn VA have requested.


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:26 am

QF742 wrote:
It would seem to me that this announcement from VA is a bit of a stunt to get attention (perhaps rightly so) from the govt to get the support it wants.


Well, the dummy-spit "chuck my toys out of the pram" approach appears to have worked for REX?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:34 am

moa999 wrote:
Personally don't see it..
As shown by the recent debt + equity capital raising by Carnival Cruise Lines (unlike US airlines the cruise lines won't get support due to lack of employing Americans or paying tax) which raised US$7bn and had demand for a lot more, there is a way to raise money.

It won't be cheap, and it will dilute the existing shareholders but that's life.. Raise $500m at 3c a share and I suspect some of the existing shareholders will support it to not be diluted.

If you dump international and Tiger, and just go back to Domestic and Velocity you've got a sustainable and recently profitable business.


Carnival is an extremely well run company so a VA comparison is apples & oranges.
However, even if A$500m is raised, that still doesn't address the A$5b debt.
The 777 fleet is a problem- not sure which is cheaper- sell them off at whatever they can get for some cash, or keep operating LAX if the route is profitable enough to support the 777 route operation. Maybe also keep NZ, NAN, some other Pacific ops, but Tiger & DPS (too long a route with low yields compared to Pacific) definitely go.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:37 am

Rex has an amended agreement now with the QLD Govt. to keep it's subsidised routes operational- services can be reduced to once/weekly.
https://www.northweststar.com.au/story/ ... -services/
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:51 am

Easter and Australia's second biggest airline are traditionally not good bedfellows...
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:33 am

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Easter and Australia's second biggest airline are traditionally not good bedfellows...


Agreed - I do wonder what would happen if Qantas tried to follow suit with maybe just an daily MEL-SYD-BNE run now that VA is barely operating.
 
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Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:55 am

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Agreed - I do wonder what would happen if Qantas tried to follow suit with maybe just an daily MEL-SYD-BNE run now that VA is barely operating.


QF couldn't cut back to the bone in the same way, they carry too much freight.
 
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Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:41 am

zkncj wrote:
Obzerva wrote:
Easter and Australia's second biggest airline are traditionally not good bedfellows...


Agreed - I do wonder what would happen if Qantas tried to follow suit with maybe just an daily MEL-SYD-BNE run now that VA is barely operating.


Passengers could be staying away from flying with Virgin because of the rumors about them closing down. So maybe they are experiencing a double whammy!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:45 am

I can see 7 VA aircraft in Australia at the moment - 6 in WA and 1 in NSW. QF not much better at 10
 
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Thu Apr 09, 2020 11:17 am

qf002 wrote:
zkncj wrote:
Agreed - I do wonder what would happen if Qantas tried to follow suit with maybe just an daily MEL-SYD-BNE run now that VA is barely operating.


QF couldn't cut back to the bone in the same way, they carry too much freight.


I believe QF & JQ will be dropping to similarly dramatic levels as well for scheduled pax operations.

As an example try booking QF MEL-SYD next week. 1 flight a day. MEL-BNE 3 x per week, No SYD-BNE etc etc
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 11:22 am

EK413 wrote:
QF742 wrote:
It would seem to me that this announcement from VA is a bit of a stunt to get attention (perhaps rightly so) from the govt to get the support it wants.

I think VA could emerge well placed if it were put in voluntary administration. As others have said, they have a profitable domestic airline and Velocity. The problem is that they have carried too much fat over the years - international, Tiger and wide body aircraft.

If anything, the government should direct its support to VA’s workers and suppliers and not it’s shareholders.


I agree with our government supporting the work force and suppliers & that’s as far of a bail out I find acceptable. The foreign shareholders would be rubbing their hands if our government agreed to inject the $1.4bn VA have requested.


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Just thinking about Virgin Australia's financial plight!

If the company was liquidated they do have some very good assets which could enable a new airline to enter the market.

If we consider the VA entity has tax credits that could be offset against incomes for a new entrant, the holding company itself could have a value close to $200 million.

If we consider the airport terminal leases would probably be taken over by the airports, a new entrant could come into the market with almost immediate access to terminals / gates and a considerable amount of support by the nations airports. There could be a fair amount of value associated with such an arrangement. I suspect close to $500 million.

If we assume a new entrant would most likely be an existing airline, there could be opportunity for that airline to redirect excess capacity to the Australian market. If we consider the airline business could be 25% smaller post Coronavirus, setting up a new airline in Australia could represent a real opportunity for an existing airline to maximise the value of current assets, whilst at the same time establishing themselves in one of the worlds most lucrative markets.

If we consider a new entity with 25-30% of the Australian market would have substantially less debt than the current VA entity, a new airline entity could have manageable levels of debt, whilst at the same time being "right sized" to support market conditions post coronavirus,

As such, I suspect there would be some considerable pulls to attract anew airline to the Australian market.

On the flip side.

I suspect a government loan of $1.4 billion would be the first tranche of multiple loans required by VA. As we don't know what the airline industry will look like once the pandemic passes, VA could have considerable restructuring costs that would need to be considered in any bailout of the company.

If the market contracts by 25%, the airline will essentially have 25% less incomes to support the servicing of its current debts. If we throw into the mix a $1.4 billion loan and other costs to restructure the company, by the time VA is commercially stable its debt could be 50% higher ($1.4b government loan and & $1.1b restructuring) and its market 25% less. This would result in its debt to earnings ratio doubling.

If we consider VA has been at best free cash flows neutral over the last 3 years, its ability to pay a $1.4b loan over a 5-year period is almost unlikely. For it to achieve such a feat, it would probably need the government to levy airlines to ensure each ticket includes a loan repayment component. This could distort the market and as a consequence be counter productive in ensuring competitive airfares.

What ever happens, domestic air travel is going to be more expensive. The government has a choice. Let QANTAS gauge the market until a new entrant comes into the market or bail out Virgin Australia, guarantee their existing debt, levy airline tickets and hope that a post virus domestic airline market quickly returns to pre-virus levels.

There are plenty of investment houses weighing up their investment bets. I suspect the VA horse isn't running at the tracks they are attending. There's probably a very good reason for that!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:11 pm

Gold Coast airport to shut terminal as of tomorrow as both VA and QF have cancelled all flights

https://twitter.com/ironsider/status/12 ... 26176?s=20
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:44 pm

EK413 wrote:
QF742 wrote:
It would seem to me that this announcement from VA is a bit of a stunt to get attention (perhaps rightly so) from the govt to get the support it wants.

I think VA could emerge well placed if it were put in voluntary administration. As others have said, they have a profitable domestic airline and Velocity. The problem is that they have carried too much fat over the years - international, Tiger and wide body aircraft.

If anything, the government should direct its support to VA’s workers and suppliers and not it’s shareholders.


I agree with our government supporting the work force and suppliers & that’s as far of a bail out I find acceptable. The foreign shareholders would be rubbing their hands if our government agreed to inject the $1.4bn VA have requested.


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Not an injection. Not equity. A loan, that has to be repaid. Or the punishment is to the shareholders, as demanded here.
 
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Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:46 pm

travelhound wrote:
zkncj wrote:
Obzerva wrote:
Easter and Australia's second biggest airline are traditionally not good bedfellows...


Agreed - I do wonder what would happen if Qantas tried to follow suit with maybe just an daily MEL-SYD-BNE run now that VA is barely operating.


Passengers could be staying away from flying with Virgin because of the rumors about them closing down. So maybe they are experiencing a double whammy!


Qantas will only be flying 5 times per week on MEL-SYD apparently... less than Virgin. On Ssturday 18th April there is one JQ flight and one Sunstate Dash 8 flight from Melbourne to Sydney. Wow. That was my attempt at a dummy booking on the QF app.
 
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Thu Apr 09, 2020 12:51 pm

travelhound wrote:
EK413 wrote:
QF742 wrote:
It would seem to me that this announcement from VA is a bit of a stunt to get attention (perhaps rightly so) from the govt to get the support it wants.

I think VA could emerge well placed if it were put in voluntary administration. As others have said, they have a profitable domestic airline and Velocity. The problem is that they have carried too much fat over the years - international, Tiger and wide body aircraft.

If anything, the government should direct its support to VA’s workers and suppliers and not it’s shareholders.


I agree with our government supporting the work force and suppliers & that’s as far of a bail out I find acceptable. The foreign shareholders would be rubbing their hands if our government agreed to inject the $1.4bn VA have requested.


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Just thinking about Virgin Australia's financial plight!

If the company was liquidated they do have some very good assets which could enable a new airline to enter the market.

If we consider the VA entity has tax credits that could be offset against incomes for a new entrant, the holding company itself could have a value close to $200 million.

If we consider the airport terminal leases would probably be taken over by the airports, a new entrant could come into the market with almost immediate access to terminals / gates and a considerable amount of support by the nations airports. There could be a fair amount of value associated with such an arrangement. I suspect close to $500 million.

If we assume a new entrant would most likely be an existing airline, there could be opportunity for that airline to redirect excess capacity to the Australian market. If we consider the airline business could be 25% smaller post Coronavirus, setting up a new airline in Australia could represent a real opportunity for an existing airline to maximise the value of current assets, whilst at the same time establishing themselves in one of the worlds most lucrative markets.

If we consider a new entity with 25-30% of the Australian market would have substantially less debt than the current VA entity, a new airline entity could have manageable levels of debt, whilst at the same time being "right sized" to support market conditions post coronavirus,

As such, I suspect there would be some considerable pulls to attract anew airline to the Australian market.

On the flip side.

I suspect a government loan of $1.4 billion would be the first tranche of multiple loans required by VA. As we don't know what the airline industry will look like once the pandemic passes, VA could have considerable restructuring costs that would need to be considered in any bailout of the company.

If the market contracts by 25%, the airline will essentially have 25% less incomes to support the servicing of its current debts. If we throw into the mix a $1.4 billion loan and other costs to restructure the company, by the time VA is commercially stable its debt could be 50% higher ($1.4b government loan and & $1.1b restructuring) and its market 25% less. This would result in its debt to earnings ratio doubling.

If we consider VA has been at best free cash flows neutral over the last 3 years, its ability to pay a $1.4b loan over a 5-year period is almost unlikely. For it to achieve such a feat, it would probably need the government to levy airlines to ensure each ticket includes a loan repayment component. This could distort the market and as a consequence be counter productive in ensuring competitive airfares.

What ever happens, domestic air travel is going to be more expensive. The government has a choice. Let QANTAS gauge the market until a new entrant comes into the market or bail out Virgin Australia, guarantee their existing debt, levy airline tickets and hope that a post virus domestic airline market quickly returns to pre-virus levels.

There are plenty of investment houses weighing up their investment bets. I suspect the VA horse isn't running at the tracks they are attending. There's probably a very good reason for that!


But the inherent contradiction of your thinking... who in their right mind is thinking of investing in a normally high risk sector that is now stratospherically risky in a market that has shrunk by a quarter? What airlines are racing to lead the pack as Australia's second carrier in the next 5 years? Why are they considered the most likely to enter when they are all bracing for possible collapse themselves?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:57 pm

Perth Airport CEO Kevin Brown says the airport will be closing terminals after it expects close to zero in passengers through PER between April and September, on average during this time they would expect around 5 million passengers

Perth Airport will shut terminals, cut executive pay, cancel bonuses and reduce employees’ working hours in a bid to survive the coronavirus crisis.

The airport announced it expected “close to zero” interstate and international travellers between April and September, compared with 5 million during the same period last year.


https://australianaviation.com.au/2020/ ... d-cut-pay/

Meanwhile Kevin Brown has also criticised Qantas over its deferred payments

Everyone in the aviation industry is trying to work together to find a way through this challenge, protect as many jobs as possible and remain viable until we all can reach recovery. There is [a] widespread disappointment that this has not happened


https://australianaviation.com.au/2020/ ... nts-82075/

So if Qantas isnt paying what they should be PER should shut T3/4 and move them to T2
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 4:51 pm

aerokiwi wrote:
But the inherent contradiction of your thinking... who in their right mind is thinking of investing in a normally high risk sector that is now stratospherically risky in a market that has shrunk by a quarter? What airlines are racing to lead the pack as Australia's second carrier in the next 5 years? Why are they considered the most likely to enter when they are all bracing for possible collapse themselves?


People who have money spare will do so.

I will preface that I do think Virgin can survive, their biggest problem is lack of credit option so a guarantee from the government is probably necessary, but the crisis is survivable.

However if they don’t survive, people will invest in a new airline because in the medium term there is nowhere for the market to go but up - the bottom of the trough is always the safest time to invest. If the market is slow to rebound then you can organically grow the new airline slowly. If it rebounds quickly, then there’s a lot of cheap aircraft on the market to scale up with.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:01 pm

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Great photos! Any info on why she hasn’t left yet?


Sorry to reply so late..I do not know that answer. She was scheduled to depart LAX on Monday and was postponed. Then today they filed for a flight for around 10AM, but the time came and went, but she's still here. Many of my friends at QF became redundant so I can't get a clear answer.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:04 pm

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Perth Airport CEO Kevin Brown says the airport will be closing terminals after it expects close to zero in passengers through PER between April and September, on average during this time they would expect around 5 million passengers

Perth Airport will shut terminals, cut executive pay, cancel bonuses and reduce employees’ working hours in a bid to survive the coronavirus crisis.

The airport announced it expected “close to zero” interstate and international travellers between April and September, compared with 5 million during the same period last year.


https://australianaviation.com.au/2020/ ... d-cut-pay/

Meanwhile Kevin Brown has also criticised Qantas over its deferred payments

Everyone in the aviation industry is trying to work together to find a way through this challenge, protect as many jobs as possible and remain viable until we all can reach recovery. There is [a] widespread disappointment that this has not happened


https://australianaviation.com.au/2020/ ... nts-82075/

So if Qantas isnt paying what they should be PER should shut T3/4 and move them to T2


When Virgin goes bankrupt this could well happen ...
 
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Thu Apr 09, 2020 10:22 pm

Regarding the VA cutbacks, can anyone clarify if the Alliance operated services codeshared with VA (BNE-BDB and BNE-GLT) will continue? I can’t imagine Alliance will go ahead with their planned MEL-KNX RPT service next month.
 
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Thu Apr 09, 2020 11:49 pm

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Agreed - I do wonder what would happen if Qantas tried to follow suit with maybe just an daily MEL-SYD-BNE run now that VA is barely operating.


Passengers could be staying away from flying with Virgin because of the rumors about them closing down. So maybe they are experiencing a double whammy!


Qantas will only be flying 5 times per week on MEL-SYD apparently... less than Virgin. On Ssturday 18th April there is one JQ flight and one Sunstate Dash 8 flight from Melbourne to Sydney. Wow. That was my attempt at a dummy booking on the QF app.


With a stop at CBR too. Nice 3 hr flight from Syd to Mel. Not that anyone will fly anyway.
 
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:00 am

A LATAM 789 has flown into MEL this morning operating a repatriation flight from Peru

https://australianaviation.com.au/2020/ ... d-iquitos/
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:06 am

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Regarding the VA cutbacks, can anyone clarify if the Alliance operated services codeshared with VA (BNE-BDB and BNE-GLT) will continue? I can’t imagine Alliance will go ahead with their planned MEL-KNX RPT service next month.


Yes the Alliance operated services are still operating as are the FIFO VARA ops out of PER
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:15 am

aerokiwi wrote:
travelhound wrote:
zkncj wrote:

Agreed - I do wonder what would happen if Qantas tried to follow suit with maybe just an daily MEL-SYD-BNE run now that VA is barely operating.


Passengers could be staying away from flying with Virgin because of the rumors about them closing down. So maybe they are experiencing a double whammy!


Qantas will only be flying 5 times per week on MEL-SYD apparently... less than Virgin. On Ssturday 18th April there is one JQ flight and one Sunstate Dash 8 flight from Melbourne to Sydney. Wow. That was my attempt at a dummy booking on the QF app.


Right now there is 1 QF737 airborne in all of Australia
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:24 am

qf789 wrote:
aerokiwi wrote:
travelhound wrote:

Passengers could be staying away from flying with Virgin because of the rumors about them closing down. So maybe they are experiencing a double whammy!


Qantas will only be flying 5 times per week on MEL-SYD apparently... less than Virgin. On Ssturday 18th April there is one JQ flight and one Sunstate Dash 8 flight from Melbourne to Sydney. Wow. That was my attempt at a dummy booking on the QF app.


Right now there is 1 QF737 airborne in all of Australia


Which should indicate the VA shutdown is as much an industry issue (QF shutdown anyone?), and not just VA is screwed. There simply is no demand, so why fly planes with no pax.
 
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Found some Avalon photos of the parked aircraft: https://www.facebook.com/AvalonAirport/ ... 9080062987


Here are some pics

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https://twitter.com/AvalonAirportAU/sta ... 87746?s=20
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:32 am

ArtV wrote:
qf789 wrote:
aerokiwi wrote:

Qantas will only be flying 5 times per week on MEL-SYD apparently... less than Virgin. On Ssturday 18th April there is one JQ flight and one Sunstate Dash 8 flight from Melbourne to Sydney. Wow. That was my attempt at a dummy booking on the QF app.


Right now there is 1 QF737 airborne in all of Australia


Which should indicate the VA shutdown is as much an industry issue (QF shutdown anyone?), and not just VA is screwed. There simply is no demand, so why fly planes with no pax.


Exactly well put, its an industry issue not exclusive to VA
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:38 am

Qantas to operate a repatriation flight to Lima in the next week. Also will operate repatriation flights to Argentina and South Africa.

The government is also looking at repatriation flights to India and the Philippines. Also talks with governments of Lebanon and Cambodia for repatriation flights to take place

https://www.9news.com.au/national/qanta ... cial-9News
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:41 am

An ex Qantas engineer has lost his appeal at FWA after he was sacked for slapping a female flight attendant.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... acked.html
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Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:29 am

How about this. Once upon a time, a bloke called Tony Fernandes started a very small LCC in Malaysia with one 733. Now Air Asia is everywhere throughout Asia. Fernandes is personally cashed up to the hilt (rumor is about +- 600 Mill), and has always loved his network in Australia. I bet you a pound of rice cake that if VA goes under, then he personally (along with his mates) jump at a total LCC in Australia. If VA sells what aircraft/assets they have, then his other mates in Air Asia surely would throw some 320's with mates rates to him (maybe a couple 330’s as well). Boom, Air Asia Australia could be born. Air Asia tag line is “Air Asia, Now Everyone Can Fly”. Air Australia, “Now every Bogan has wings”.
Also just forget that he is under close watch by the Malaysia Govt, they have enough to worry about with MH at this time.
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