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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:23 pm

It is going to be very difficult for VA to survive.

A rescue could have been possible but there are a few factors that make it difficult.

It needs a capital injection but its current shareholders have indicated they are not willing to inject any capital. In the current environment its hard to see any new investors willing to invest in VA.

It needs its lenders to be willing to convert some debt to equity. I reality their debt is worth less than 100c in dollar in the current environment. In the absence of any capital from its shareholders, they need to provide the cash support to keep the business alive. But working against doing this is that no-one knows how long this current situation is going to last and how the world will recover from this situation. Also will there be a second and third wave? No one knows for sure - we are in uncharted territory. So the amount of cash support the business will require is unknown.

Its a very difficult situation. 75% chance VA will be in administration by May. 25% the Government can broker a deal that includes fresh equity and a debt for equity swap by the shareholders and lenders.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 10:03 pm

Government set to subsidise domestic flights by Qantas, Virgin

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... -australia

It appears that this move will underwrite flights by both Qantas and Virgin Australia across a number of domestic routes and comes following the dramatic reduction on domestic flying by both airlines.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 11:34 pm

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Just thinking about Sunrise flights, Joyce previously said that PER-LHR and SYD-SIN-LHR, which is also fed by MEL-SIN and BNE-SIN, would run alongside the SYD-LHR and MEL-LHR non-stop flights. I really don't know if there will be enough demand for that now, given forecasts on how long it will take for demand to resume and get back to 2019 levels.

Apparently MEL-PER-LHR is actually very good on its own and on the back of PER, most east coast passengers still go via SIN. But if the demand simply isn't there for all three routes, would you axe MEL-PER-LHR or drop SIN-LHR?


Be nice to see Aussie tourism protected and the western hub finally sorted out. Spend money here with a Perth stop over.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:40 am

CraigAnderson wrote:
Government set to subsidise domestic flights by Qantas, Virgin

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... -australia

It appears that this move will underwrite flights by both Qantas and Virgin Australia across a number of domestic routes and comes following the dramatic reduction on domestic flying by both airlines.


This won’t fix virgins problems.

Realistically how many routes and frequencies are the government going to subsidise in a climate of zero demand? One daily to each city? That level of traffic isn’t going to sustain virgin and qantas.

When restrictions relax demand will be severely depressed for a long time. The demand will not be enough to sustain both qantas and virgin in their current forms. We are not going to see flights every hour between the capital cities (or every 30 mins for SYD MEL) for a long time. I reckon there won’t be enough demand to sustain half a Qantas never mind half a virgin and half a Qantas.

I feel we are only postponing the inevitable with Virgin.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:58 am

redroo wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:
Government set to subsidise domestic flights by Qantas, Virgin

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... -australia

It appears that this move will underwrite flights by both Qantas and Virgin Australia across a number of domestic routes and comes following the dramatic reduction on domestic flying by both airlines.


This won’t fix virgins problems.

Realistically how many routes and frequencies are the government going to subsidise in a climate of zero demand? One daily to each city? That level of traffic isn’t going to sustain virgin and qantas.

When restrictions relax demand will be severely depressed for a long time. The demand will not be enough to sustain both qantas and virgin in their current forms. We are not going to see flights every hour between the capital cities (or every 30 mins for SYD MEL) for a long time. I reckon there won’t be enough demand to sustain half a Qantas never mind half a virgin and half a Qantas.

I feel we are only postponing the inevitable with Virgin.


But this particular action is not about "fixing Virgin's problems" - it is about ensuring there is a flight network in Australia to meet the national needs, ensuring that critical workers (health professionals), politicians, those arriving in Australia on repatriation flights and needing to go home after quarantine, freight/mail, etc. can get to where they need to go.

If you are suggesting that Virgin should be excluded from this, then I would take off the QF-coloured glassed just a moment and see it for what it is.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:07 am

What would be the plan Qantas has in place right now should Virgin not make it out alive? It's not like the moment Virgin go under Qantas terminals will be overrun with any Virgin customers, there are hardly any Qantas customers at the moment as it is, but that will change, and I really doubt there will be a new entrant into the market in the medium term. So Qantas will have to do something to increase capacity as things gradually recover.
 
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Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:08 am

redroo wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:
Government set to subsidise domestic flights by Qantas, Virgin

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... -australia

It appears that this move will underwrite flights by both Qantas and Virgin Australia across a number of domestic routes and comes following the dramatic reduction on domestic flying by both airlines.


This won’t fix virgins problems.

Realistically how many routes and frequencies are the government going to subsidise in a climate of zero demand? One daily to each city? That level of traffic isn’t going to sustain virgin and qantas.

When restrictions relax demand will be severely depressed for a long time. The demand will not be enough to sustain both qantas and virgin in their current forms. We are not going to see flights every hour between the capital cities (or every 30 mins for SYD MEL) for a long time. I reckon there won’t be enough demand to sustain half a Qantas never mind half a virgin and half a Qantas.

I feel we are only postponing the inevitable with Virgin.


I don't expect this is about anything other than Virgin getting its share of government money, according to the article Paul Scurrah claimed that Qantas was telling staff that the government had approved for QF to operate this minimum domestic network, which if true would be grossly unfair to prop up one airline at the expense of another.

This is also probably Scurrah making sure that Virgin is front of mind with the govt as it continues to push for a bailout.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 2:51 am

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What would be the plan Qantas has in place right now should Virgin not make it out alive?.


Same thing as happened after 9/11 and Ansetts collapse where they picked up a chunk of 737s on the cheap that had been previously destined for AA.

Will be cheap narrow and widebodies around for some time. QF is better dumping Sunrise and taking advantage of these opportunities.
Maybe even using DRW as a splash and go point.

Leave Sunrise to another CEO and a 350neo which should require less compromise
 
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Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:06 am

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a36001 wrote:
What would be the plan Qantas has in place right now should Virgin not make it out alive?.


Same thing as happened after 9/11 and Ansetts collapse where they picked up a chunk of 737s on the cheap that had been previously destined for AA.

Will be cheap narrow and widebodies around for some time. QF is better dumping Sunrise and taking advantage of these opportunities.
Maybe even using DRW as a splash and go point.

Leave Sunrise to another CEO and a 350neo which should require less compromise


International won’t pick up to quickly, in the short term QF would have plenty of A330 capacity for domestic and could hold on to the 744s for a while even not to mention the A380s that could be parked for a while. Longer term, I agree pick up some A330s but more likely 738s on the cheap.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:16 am

In Perth there are hundreds of eastern states residents released from quarantine a couple of days ago but stranded here because there are no flights. A bit puzzling that QF or VA haven't jumped at the chance to earn a dollar?
 
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Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:35 am

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In Perth there are hundreds of eastern states residents released from quarantine a couple of days ago but stranded here because there are no flights. A bit puzzling that QF or VA haven't jumped at the chance to earn a dollar?


You'd think they could do an one off 738 flight between PER-SYD/BNE/MEL at $1000 oneway for 150 seats thats $150,000 revenue,
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:48 am

Given FIFO operations are largely continuing unaffected, would it be fair to say that PER is currently the busiest domestic airport in Australia?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:56 am

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Given FIFO operations are largely continuing unaffected, would it be fair to say that PER is currently the busiest domestic airport in Australia?


Rio Boss was on radio this week

They have asked for flights to be doubled so you could be right

So they can fill planes to max 50% to keep some distancing
 
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Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:08 am

waoz1 wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
Given FIFO operations are largely continuing unaffected, would it be fair to say that PER is currently the busiest domestic airport in Australia?


Rio Boss was on radio this week

They have asked for flights to be doubled so you could be right

So they can fill planes to max 50% to keep some distancing


Most miners have doubled rosters but coupled with 50% capacities the maths would suggest the number roughly stays the same. I know BHP charters have been upgraded from F100 to A320/737
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:08 am

waoz1 wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
Given FIFO operations are largely continuing unaffected, would it be fair to say that PER is currently the busiest domestic airport in Australia?


Rio Boss was on radio this week

They have asked for flights to be doubled so you could be right

So they can fill planes to max 50% to keep some distancing


67% as they are blocking the middle seats, both aisle and window seats can be occupied so 4/6 per row for the 737s and A320s.
 
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Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:17 am

TanSri wrote:
waoz1 wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
Given FIFO operations are largely continuing unaffected, would it be fair to say that PER is currently the busiest domestic airport in Australia?


Rio Boss was on radio this week

They have asked for flights to be doubled so you could be right

So they can fill planes to max 50% to keep some distancing


67% as they are blocking the middle seats, both aisle and window seats can be occupied so 4/6 per row for the 737s and A320s.

Not sure whether IATA or WHO recommendation (or both) is one passenger per 3 seats, unless related family members, and no passengers in aisle seats to protect cabin crew (unless crew wearing PPE and / or passengers tested negative within the last 48 hours).
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:59 am

Possibly QF getting in while the prices are low???:

https://www.flightglobal.com/air-transp ... 20.article
 
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Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:15 am

TanSri wrote:
waoz1 wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
Given FIFO operations are largely continuing unaffected, would it be fair to say that PER is currently the busiest domestic airport in Australia?


Rio Boss was on radio this week

They have asked for flights to be doubled so you could be right

So they can fill planes to max 50% to keep some distancing


67% as they are blocking the middle seats, both aisle and window seats can be occupied so 4/6 per row for the 737s and A320s.


BHP charters are 50%. There's no one directly behind or in front of you & next to you. on planes & on buses
 
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Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:37 am

smartplane wrote:
TanSri wrote:
waoz1 wrote:

Rio Boss was on radio this week

They have asked for flights to be doubled so you could be right

So they can fill planes to max 50% to keep some distancing


67% as they are blocking the middle seats, both aisle and window seats can be occupied so 4/6 per row for the 737s and A320s.

Not sure whether IATA or WHO recommendation (or both) is one passenger per 3 seats, unless related family members, and no passengers in aisle seats to protect cabin crew (unless crew wearing PPE and / or passengers tested negative within the last 48 hours).


From my experience last week , the meal service is 1 run & no drinks service, forward lavatory was for crew only & front row directly in front of jump seats is empty. & being a charter plane we had temperature checks before boarding & signed a travel declaration.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 7:57 am

CraigAnderson wrote:
Government set to subsidise domestic flights by Qantas, Virgin

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... -australia

It appears that this move will underwrite flights by both Qantas and Virgin Australia across a number of domestic routes and comes following the dramatic reduction on domestic flying by both airlines.


It would be fantastic to know the nuts and bolts of these agreements but without a doubt they will be commercial in confidence. So instead of a bailout via loaned money, the Federal Government has done the “Claytons Bailout” by subsidising the seat cost per airline. It could end up being a clever choice but only time will tell. And I’d speculate that the government is basing this on infection models which currently suggest a slowdown.

Assuming, yes; everybody’s favourite danger word, that both Federal and State Governments begin to ease on social distancing within the next couple of weeks, what could this look like for an airline?

They may allow on average of 3.5 passengers per seat row on a 737/320 to maintain some safe distance. Therefore you’d have a plane about 55-60% full at maximum capacity. Potentially both QF and VA might be able to sustain about 4-5 flights per day, each, in the golden zone of MEL-SYD. And perhaps 2-3 flights per day between BNE-SYD. And similarly extrapolated numbers to ADL, PER, HBA, and DRW.

Given these very rough types of numbers, would that be enough for VA to remain solvent and weather their crisis?
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Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:26 am

sierrakilo44 wrote:
Possibly QF getting in while the prices are low???:

https://www.flightglobal.com/air-transp ... 20.article

QF has it right now if they want - EY has 5 A35Ks sitting there collecting the dust - but the reality is no airlines are spending money getting new aircraft right now.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 8:28 am

In WA no-one is allowed in without 2 weeks quarantine. Apart from returning resident stragglers, who is going to fly to Perth? Is it the same in NSW/VIC/QLD?
 
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Mon Apr 13, 2020 9:26 am

Virgin Australia had just appointed Houlihan Lokey as debt restructure administrators.

Source (paywall): https://www.theaustralian.com.au/busine ... 10ff265ba0
 
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Mon Apr 13, 2020 10:13 am

Aviator34ID wrote:
In WA no-one is allowed in without 2 weeks quarantine. Apart from returning resident stragglers, who is going to fly to Perth? Is it the same in NSW/VIC/QLD?


Same as in QLD - but there is still plenty of people coming out of hotel quarantine interstate that need to get back to their respective home states. Then there is still a level of need for essential travel for exempted persons and compassionate reasons, people moving to tale up critical roles elsewhere etc.

Right now if you wanted to fly from Perth to Brisbane - the next flight is the 24th of April. (flight is almost at 80% capacity with the middle seat blocked). Not great and highlights the need for the government to underwrite a level of minimum service.
 
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Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:34 pm

Virgin Australia 77W VH-VPD arriving in CDG after ferrying French nationals BNE-AKL-HKG-CDG

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Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:44 pm

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It would be fantastic to know the nuts and bolts of these agreements but without a doubt they will be commercial in confidence. So instead of a bailout via loaned money, the Federal Government has done the “Claytons Bailout” by subsidising the seat cost per airline. It could end up being a clever choice but only time will tell. And I’d speculate that the government is basing this on infection models which currently suggest a slowdown.
?


I don't think this is meant to be a bailout in any form, it's just that there needs to be flights existing for those who do have to travel, and they obviously can't exist at commercial levels. Both airlines will operate at a skeleton schedule still, so even with all operating costs of the flights covered (plus them some), it's still not going to give airlines any significant liquidity.
 
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Mon Apr 13, 2020 1:47 pm

Qantas could be facing a class action from some staff over Coronavirus after being accused of failing to adequately protect them of catching Coronavirus

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... t-covid-19
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Mon Apr 13, 2020 6:31 pm

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Virgin Australia had just appointed Houlihan Lokey as debt restructure administrators.

Source (paywall): https://www.theaustralian.com.au/busine ... 10ff265ba0


So effectively just one step away from being in Administration/ Receivership?
 
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Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:36 pm

Virgin Australia is going into another trading halt.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/busine ... a10366aab8

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Mon Apr 13, 2020 11:56 pm

Apart from either announcing the Debt Restructure administrators being called into VA, the other scenario (for the VA share trading halt) is possibly this:

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6149133324001
 
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Tue Apr 14, 2020 12:02 am

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Apart from either announcing the Debt Restructure administrators being called into VA, the other scenario (for the VA share trading halt) is possibly this:

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6149133324001

There is no doubt that the government will change the airline assistance package. The current package is no real benefit given the relief on aeronautical charges is worthless since both airlines have pretty much stopped domestic flying.
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Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:14 am

Virgin Australia had just came out of a meeting with their International Shareholders over their current financial position. Concurrently, Virgin are also continuing discussions with the Federal Government

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-a ... 7c1a5f7d92
 
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Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:20 am

Virgin needs to get rid of this too many cooks situation with its ownership. A consolidation of ownership would be helpful to Virgin
 
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Tue Apr 14, 2020 1:48 am

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Virgin needs to get rid of this too many cooks situation with its ownership. A consolidation of ownership would be helpful to Virgin

What’s that saying “too many chiefs and not enough Indians”...


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Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:13 am

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Pcoder wrote:
Virgin needs to get rid of this too many cooks situation with its ownership. A consolidation of ownership would be helpful to Virgin

What’s that saying “too many chiefs and not enough Indians”...


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This is truly Ansett all over again!
 
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Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:22 am

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EK413 wrote:
Pcoder wrote:
Virgin needs to get rid of this too many cooks situation with its ownership. A consolidation of ownership would be helpful to Virgin

What’s that saying “too many chiefs and not enough Indians”...


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This is truly Ansett all over again!


For it to almost be an "Ansett" all over again is for the other shareholders and/or administrators offering VA to SIA for $1, just like Air New Zealand offered AN to SIA for $1 over 2 decades ago.
 
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Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:45 am

What about Delta? We have had SQ and ANZ interferring with no positive outcome, time for the Americans to get involved!
 
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Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:49 am

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What about Delta? We have had SQ and ANZ interferring with no positive outcome, time for the Americans to get involved!


Atleast this time NZ got out before they lost many money in Virgin, and did make Virgin repay its loans.
 
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Tue Apr 14, 2020 4:10 am

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a36001 wrote:
What about Delta? We have had SQ and ANZ interferring with no positive outcome, time for the Americans to get involved!


Atleast this time NZ got out before they lost many money in Virgin, and did make Virgin repay its loans.


True, but we need no more Air New Zealand setting up or owning airlines in Australia, they don't have the money or it appears going by history the skills to do so. :duck:
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Tue Apr 14, 2020 4:16 am

tullamarine wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:
Apart from either announcing the Debt Restructure administrators being called into VA, the other scenario (for the VA share trading halt) is possibly this:

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6149133324001

There is no doubt that the government will change the airline assistance package. The current package is no real benefit given the relief on aeronautical charges is worthless since both airlines have pretty much stopped domestic flying.


The cash benefit to Domestic Airlines for the package was $159 million in refunds of charges back to February 1st. So a decent amount of cash considering it will be split amongst only a handful of Companies.

SCFlyer wrote:
Virgin Australia had just came out of a meeting with their International Shareholders over their current financial position. Concurrently, Virgin are also continuing discussions with the Federal Governmenthttps://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-a ... 7c1a5f7d92


They've probably told their shareholders that unless they stump up cash they'll be wiped out if a debt re-structure or Administration goes ahead. So time for them to pay up to protect their investment of get wiped out.

zkncj wrote:
[twoid][/twoid]SCFlyer wrote:Virgin Australia had just appointed Houlihan Lokey as debt restructure administrators.Source (paywall): https://www.theaustralian.com.au/busine ... 10ff265ba0So effectively just one step away from being in Administration/ Receivership?


Not necessarily. Houlihan Lokey are an Investment Bank, not an Insolvency or Debt Firm. So the likely idea behind that is for the Investment Bank to either negotiate with existing Creditors to see if terms can be extended etc or for them to bring on Equity or new Debt providers to re-finance out existing Creditors.

So they would be effectively seeing if there was a deal to be done pre-insolvency.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Tue Apr 14, 2020 4:58 am

Can somebody please make a list of the airlines currently still operating scheduled bookable international services into Australia besides QR? I was surprised to see Citilink operating DPS-PER the other morning.
 
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Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:27 am

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Can somebody please make a list of the airlines currently still operating scheduled bookable international services into Australia besides QR? I was surprised to see Citilink operating DPS-PER the other morning.

Just check the arrivals/departures of each airport's website and paste it here. Won't take long, there's not many flights.
 
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Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:06 am

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Can somebody please make a list of the airlines currently still operating scheduled bookable international services into Australia besides QR? I was surprised to see Citilink operating DPS-PER the other morning.

A few off top of my head:

CZ, MU & MF once weekly each to SYD (in addition to all those pax a/c flying cargo only flights)
SQ, NH, MH & NZ is still flying
GA seems to be maintaining CGK-MEL & SYD
And UA863/70 to/from SFO

Not sure if Air Niugini or Aircalin fills pax cabin in any way on their flights down here

That's about it AFAIK

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Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:13 am

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Can somebody please make a list of the airlines currently still operating scheduled bookable international services into Australia besides QR? I was surprised to see Citilink operating DPS-PER the other morning.


NZ is (Passenger Flights)
AKL-SYD 3x Weekly
AKL-BNE/MEL 2 Weekly
NLK-SYD/BNE 1 Weekly

They are constantly sending 777/787s across the Tasman from AKL/CHC but as cargo only.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:32 am

Any idea when the Qantas repatriation flight to JNB will be? Is it confirmed to be with 787-9?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:45 am

Air New Zealand, Air Niugini and Nauru Airlines are still operating into Australia.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:26 am

Aviator34ID wrote:
In WA no-one is allowed in without 2 weeks quarantine. Apart from returning resident stragglers, who is going to fly to Perth? Is it the same in NSW/VIC/QLD?


NSW and Victoria have no border restrictions other than for those returning from overseas.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:45 am

Latest figures for the funding that Qantas has applied for for its New Zealand employees is out - in totally they have now applied for $6.2million(NZD) which requires them to keep any New Zealand based staff employed for the next 12 weeks.

JETCONNECT LIMITED - 702 Employees - $4,934,779.20NZD
QANTAS AIRWAYS LIMITED - 172 Employees - $1,209,091.20NZD
QANTAS COURIER LIMITED - 8 - Employees - $56,236.80NZD
Total - $6,200107.20
Source - https://services.workandincome.govt.nz/eps/search

Virgin Australia as yet apply for funding for there New Zealand based staff, instead going with closing the AKL/CHC bases.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:50 am

ben175 wrote:
Can somebody please make a list of the airlines currently still operating scheduled bookable international services into Australia besides QR? I was surprised to see Citilink operating DPS-PER the other morning.


Try this list: https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... -australia
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - April 2020

Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:56 am

How Qantas vs Virgin created the world's best domestic business class

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ness-class

A good summary of what competition between Qantas and Virgin achieved on the east-west route, shows what competition can do in a market. If you look back at the terrible seats of the QF A330s and B767s before Virgin Blue became Virgin Australia, and then how QF tried to put a plastic shelf over the middle seats in the 2-3-2 A330 business class cabin and call it a 'personal workspace' LOL!

Sometimes I do think both airlines went a bit too far, it's not as if we need these amazing fully flat business class beds on a 4-5hr route, but of course it's more flexible for QF for example to have the same product on all A330-200s and -300s so they can easily swap aircraft around from domestic to international, otherwise you'd have very uncompetitive sub-standard 'international' product if you put a domestic A330 with say a business class 'recliner' onto an international route.

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