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Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:44 pm

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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:10 pm

Kenya Airways has appealed to the government for a loan. The carrier has been struggling for ages now, this could be the final straw.

https://bit.ly/3dHEwmt
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:07 pm

Compass is sending 19 planes to the Arizona Desert for storage, and eventual transfer to Envoy. One is heavy at BNA, will go to ABI for interior refurb, and then they are done by the 6th.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:12 pm

Anyone know where the TSA aircraft are going to?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:23 pm

Interesting to see DELTA 8958 from KWI to AMS.
Is it a cargo-only plane as it came from ATL on 28/03 and flew to Dubai (DWC) on 29/03 and onwards to Kuwait (KWI) on 31/03.
It's planned to fly Amsterdam > Minneapolis > El Paso > Detroit
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:46 pm

kevertje wrote:
Interesting to see DELTA 8958 from KWI to AMS.
Is it a cargo-only plane as it came from ATL on 28/03 and flew to Dubai (DWC) on 29/03 and onwards to Kuwait (KWI) on 31/03.
It's planned to fly Amsterdam > Minneapolis > El Paso > Detroit


Military charter. This is being discussed in the Delta Widebody Thread.

https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1437913&start=200
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:54 pm

The past couple of days I have flown LAX-FLO round trip.

Loads on my flights were:

AA LAX-RDU A321W with 8pax/ 4% LF
AA RDU-CLT A321 with 20pax/ 11% LF
AA CLT-FLO E145 with 1pax (only me onboard)/ 2% LF
AA FLO-CLT E145 with 2pax/ 4% LF
AA CLT-DCA A320 with 16pax/ 11% LF
AA DCA-LAX A321N with 20pax/ 10% LF
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:09 pm

I don't have any reason to be traveling anywhere, and it'd be irresponsible to fly anyplace on a lark right now, but I do sort of wonder what it'd be like to be the only passenger on a commercial flight. So used to full planes...
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:32 pm

Aer Lingus are operating flights between Dublin and Beijing since yesterday. There were 3 A330 flights yesterday and 3 again today. EI9016, EI9018 & EI9020 currently all enroute.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:53 pm

B747forever wrote:
The past couple of days I have flown LAX-FLO round trip.

Loads on my flights were:

AA LAX-RDU A321W with 8pax/ 4% LF
AA RDU-CLT A321 with 20pax/ 11% LF
AA CLT-FLO E145 with 1pax (only me onboard)/ 2% LF
AA FLO-CLT E145 with 2pax/ 4% LF
AA CLT-DCA A320 with 16pax/ 11% LF
AA DCA-LAX A321N with 20pax/ 10% LF


While the data is insightful, mileage runs during this time are probably not the smartest thing. Many people have already questioned your occupation. While you are not inclined to share, if you are indeed at the front-lines of fighting this pandemic then we thank you (don't be shy to say). If you are not however then please stay home and stop adding flames to the fire.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:00 pm

Seriously - why are US carriers still even flying around as much capacity as they are? States like TX and NM are now requiring arriving pax to quarantine for 14 days - and not just those from NY/NJ. It’s only a matter of time before every state is doing this, and the few folks traveling will dwindle even further. Not saying 100% of flying needs to be grounded - but why they even bother flying anything more than 5-10% or capacity is beyond me
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:55 pm

Travelboff wrote:
Aer Lingus are operating flights between Dublin and Beijing since yesterday. There were 3 A330 flights yesterday and 3 again today. EI9016, EI9018 & EI9020 currently all enroute.



Here is an image with some of the passengers on those flights,

Image
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:05 pm

Thinking out loud (and for selfish reasons) but I wonder how long will it take for the industry to recover at a jobs level?

The notion of a pilot shortage existing at all is optimistic at best, pure marketing by schools, airlines and “influencers” at worst. And airlines downsizing will make that a definite reality. But I’ve always fancied going further than the private license I hold. Probably best to stick with the 9-5.

On another note, Wizz Air’s duo of A321neos are about to touch down in YYZ and JFK, beginning their repatriation milk runs.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:05 pm

Travelboff wrote:
Aer Lingus are operating flights between Dublin and Beijing since yesterday. There were 3 A330 flights yesterday and 3 again today. EI9016, EI9018 & EI9020 currently all enroute.


One of them took a bird strike on departure. when it rains it pours apparently...

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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:32 pm

Aceskywalker wrote:
Probably best to stick with the 9-5


If you have the cash, nothing to stop you from raising youself up to a frozen ATPL while you stick with the day job, and then reassess in about two years time
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:16 pm

Well, a very unusual flight is in the air:
https://fr24.com/LOT8551/244cbd9c
WAW-EZE nonstop with the 788
Quite a journey, isn't it?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:17 pm

There’s a W6 A21N on the ground at JFK right now. Repatriation flight?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:05 pm

Emirates will receive government funding. I feel like competition authorities should block this considering Emirates is doing pretty well in terms of profits. Kenya Airways and such arent, so they should be allowed funding. Thoughts?

https://bit.ly/3dJFOxp
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:29 pm

SpotterBrussels wrote:
Emirates will receive government funding. I feel like competition authorities should block this considering Emirates is doing pretty well in terms of profits. Kenya Airways and such arent, so they should be allowed funding. Thoughts?

https://bit.ly/3dJFOxp

This is hilarious. What does the UAE possibly bailing out Emirates have to do with Kenya Airways getting funding from Kenya? No international economic authority has this mandate at all.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:36 pm

carlokiii wrote:
SpotterBrussels wrote:
Emirates will receive government funding. I feel like competition authorities should block this considering Emirates is doing pretty well in terms of profits. Kenya Airways and such arent, so they should be allowed funding. Thoughts?

https://bit.ly/3dJFOxp

This is hilarious. What does the UAE possibly bailing out Emirates have to do with Kenya Airways getting funding from Kenya? No international economic authority has this mandate at all.


Yep you’re right, sorry haha
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:52 pm

ojjunior wrote:
Well, a very unusual flight is in the air:
https://fr24.com/LOT8551/244cbd9c
WAW-EZE nonstop with the 788
Quite a journey, isn't it?


Almost a 15 hr nonstop flight! Most likely a repatriation flight for Polish citizens. There is a sizeable Polish inmigrant community in Argentina.
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Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:20 am

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-boeing-donating-three-747-dreamlifters-to-aid-distribution-2020-3

Boeing to use 3 747LCF (Dreamlifters) for Covid-19 aid.

How is this even possible? I thought the 747 Dreamlifter cannot open its main tail cargo door without a very specific ground support vehicle? This vehicle only exists where the Dreamlifter goes to load and unload 787 parts. Is the goal to just move supplies between these airports?
 
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Re: Boeing to use 3 747LCF (Dreamlifters) for Covid-19 aid

Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:52 am

Well the LCFs make it to Europe and Asia quite a lot so it could be that they are shipping supplies to airports that can already handle the aircraft. Plus, they might be able to move the vehicle to other airports if need be. I'm not sure on that last one though. Either way it seems like good use for a very special set of airplanes that otherwise would be parked.

Edit: Should add that Washington and South Carolina happen to be two of the worst hit states in the US so it makes even more sense to me now considering that aspect.
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Re: Boeing to use 3 747LCF (Dreamlifters) for Covid-19 aid

Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:58 am

kaitak744 wrote:
https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-boeing-donating-three-747-dreamlifters-to-aid-distribution-2020-3

Boeing to use 3 747LCF (Dreamlifters) for Covid-19 aid.

How is this even possible? I thought the 747 Dreamlifter cannot open its main tail cargo door without a very specific ground support vehicle? This vehicle only exists where the Dreamlifter goes to load and unload 787 parts. Is the goal to just move supplies between these airports?

They can’t just distribute it at Charleston for the east coast and Seattle for the west coast. I don’t see the problem.
 
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Re: Boeing to use 3 747LCF (Dreamlifters) for Covid-19 aid

Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:04 am

I thought in previous discussions on the LCF and whether it could be chartered out for outsize cargos someone said the FAA certification is specific for transporting assemblies for Boeing. Are they getting an exemption for this health emergency? Can they even take regular pallets etc?
Photos of the A330-800 test plane showed Airbus was just stacking boxes next to the test equipment racks and at least in those photos they released they weren't even restrained by cargo nets like in the photos we saw of airlines flying emergency supplies.
 
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Re: Boeing to use 3 747LCF (Dreamlifters) for Covid-19 aid

Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:11 am

trex8 wrote:
Are they getting an exemption for this health emergency?


I'd have to think an exemption would be easily granted in the current circumstances. If they're announcing it already it probably means that there is already tentative approval (at least in words) from the FAA.
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Re: Boeing to use 3 747LCF (Dreamlifters) for Covid-19 aid

Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:11 am

Given that production has essentially come to a grinding halt in Washington and South Carolina, it makes perfect sense for Boeing to make these planes available.
 
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Re: Boeing to use 3 747LCF (Dreamlifters) for Covid-19 aid

Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:38 am

As now Boe shutted down part of its production, the Dreamlifters are free and able to do the good things.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:31 am

MSP is my home airport.

Airport reported today that the total parking spaces controlled by the airport are 2% full.

Year-over-year TSA clearances for today down 94%

It baffles me how much flying there is, as it is basically entirely empty. Just looking at random DL markets:

MSP-DEN 4x
MSP-SAN 2x
MSP-BOS 2x

My guess is loads were less than 10% on any of those trips - thankfully because this is necessary to stop the pandemic.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:11 am

Vietnam Airlines now only operates SGN-DAD, HAN-DAD and SGN-HAN (in other word, between SGN, DAD and HAN)
Vietnamese press release here
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VN's flight schedule, translated to English by me :D

Sad to realize that VN only operate 12 passenger [domestic] flights in 2 days.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:45 am

Antaras wrote:
Vietnam Airlines now only operates SGN-DAD, HAN-DAD and SGN-HAN (in other word, between SGN, DAD and HAN)
Vietnamese press release here
Image
VN's flight schedule, translated to English by me :D

Sad to realize that VN only operate 12 passenger [domestic] flights in 2 days.


Given that only weeks ago SGN-HAN became the busiest air route in the world...this is a major reduction in capacity. No international passenger routes either (other than charter repatriation flights).
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:19 am

TW870 wrote:
MSP is my home airport.

Airport reported today that the total parking spaces controlled by the airport are 2% full.

Year-over-year TSA clearances for today down 94%

It baffles me how much flying there is, as it is basically entirely empty. Just looking at random DL markets:

MSP-DEN 4x
MSP-SAN 2x
MSP-BOS 2x

My guess is loads were less than 10% on any of those trips - thankfully because this is necessary to stop the pandemic.


It still amazes me how much flying is still occurring when planes are this empty. What is the threshold for cancelling a flight with the airlines?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:10 am

Possible interesting development:

Now that China has decreed that each international route to/from China may only be operated 1x weekly, CZ may have decided to introduce the A380 on some of these weekly services:

- Friday April 3: 00:05 CAN - AMS 06.35 CZ307 Airbus A380

Source: www.csair.com
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:02 am

And a surprising Egyptair B789 non-stop CAI to SLC:

- MS3092 CAI 05.27 - SLC 11.52 B789 SU-GER

https://www.flightradar24.com/MSR3092/244dbaad
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:10 am

ArtV wrote:
Antaras wrote:
Vietnam Airlines now only operates SGN-DAD, HAN-DAD and SGN-HAN (in other word, between SGN, DAD and HAN)
Vietnamese press release here
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VN's flight schedule, translated to English by me :D

Sad to realize that VN only operate 12 passenger [domestic] flights in 2 days.


Given that only weeks ago SGN-HAN became the busiest air route in the world...this is a major reduction in capacity. No international passenger routes either (other than charter repatriation flights).


Major reduction in capacity is just a minor reason. In fact the gov' has limited the domestic ops as they are being tired of seeing infected passengers freely flying around the country.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:15 am

Seems that the pandemic made carriers understand more about their aircraft's long-haul ability.
From the A350ULR was beaten by some traditionally-configured Air Tahiti Nui 789s, a 777-200ER flying VIE-SYD, and now this

factsonly wrote:
And a surprising Egyptair B789 non-stop CAI to SLC:

- MS3092 CAI 05.27 - SLC 11.52 B789 SU-GER

https://www.flightradar24.com/MSR3092/244dbaad
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:27 am

Antaras wrote:
Seems that the pandemic made carriers understand more about their aircraft's long-haul ability.
From the A350ULR was beaten by some traditionally-configured Air Tahiti Nui 789s, a 777-200ER flying VIE-SYD, and now this

factsonly wrote:
And a surprising Egyptair B789 non-stop CAI to SLC:

- MS3092 CAI 05.27 - SLC 11.52 B789 SU-GER

https://www.flightradar24.com/MSR3092/244dbaad


CAI-SLC is nothing close to the other flights though. It’s only 7,021 miles or around 14-15 hours of flight time.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:28 am

Ishrion wrote:
Antaras wrote:
Seems that the pandemic made carriers understand more about their aircraft's long-haul ability.
From the A350ULR was beaten by some traditionally-configured Air Tahiti Nui 789s, a 777-200ER flying VIE-SYD, and now this

factsonly wrote:
And a surprising Egyptair B789 non-stop CAI to SLC:

- MS3092 CAI 05.27 - SLC 11.52 B789 SU-GER

https://www.flightradar24.com/MSR3092/244dbaad


CAI-SLC is nothing close to the other flights though. It’s only 7,021 miles or around 14-15 hours of flight time.



Whereby SLC is the stronghold and headquarters of the Mormons. So what's an Arab airline doing in the city? Are there Muslims on board who want to convert the Mormons to Islam? ;-))
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:31 pm

AirbusOnly wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
CAI-SLC is nothing close to the other flights though. It’s only 7,021 miles or around 14-15 hours of flight time.

Whereby SLC is the stronghold and headquarters of the Mormons. So what's an Arab airline doing in the city? Are there Muslims on board who want to convert the Mormons to Islam? ;-))

Or Mormons on board, having spent months in Egypt trying to convert Muslims to the true faith, but now desperate to get home to Utah?

Do you think anyone in those circumstances is going to hold out for an American airline to show up?
Or is there is an FAA ban on foreign carriers repatriating Americans even in these troubled times? (genuine question)
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:54 pm

SLC and area are a fair sized technical center. And SLC is well connected to most of the rest of the west.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:55 pm

SAS is shutting down the last two remaining long haul routes:

Copenhagen - Tokyo (Haneda)
Stockholm - New York (Newark)

They will remain closed until April 19th at the earliest.

Article translated into English for your convenience:

https://translate.google.com/translate? ... ngruter%2F
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 1:59 pm

Edinburgh Festival this year has been cancelled due to Wuhan virus. Festival attracts over 4m visitors from all over.

Another big travel casualty from this pandemic!!


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland- ... e-52121586
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:16 pm

I note from FR24 a leased to Icelandair 737-800 (TF-KEX) currently overhead enroute from LHR to KEF and that this has been on the route in recent days. Any reason why this leased aircraft is operating in place of it's own 757 aircraft ? Is it actually more financially efficient to operate a leased smaller aircraft than continue with one of your own albeit larger aircraft ?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:57 pm

KEF-LHR is not a short flight, if your leasing cost is already sunk (I believe this is a long term lease, not short), you might as well save as much as you can on your direct operating costs, especially with LF% below the norm
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:15 pm

Lufthansa have advised via Twitter @LufthansaNews on how they are currently assigning flight numbers.

The flight numbers 340-349 are usually reserved for charter flights and 99xx flight numbers for ferry flights. Repatriation flights will use flight numbers 350-359.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:25 pm

curlyheadboy wrote:
Travelboff wrote:
Aer Lingus are operating flights between Dublin and Beijing since yesterday. There were 3 A330 flights yesterday and 3 again today. EI9016, EI9018 & EI9020 currently all enroute.


One of them took a bird strike on departure. when it rains it pours apparently...

Will the threat of bird strikes be greater after this extended period of relative inactivity at many airports? What will airports be doing to discourage our avian friends from repatriating critical areas in the down time?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:29 pm

factsonly wrote:
And a surprising Egyptair B789 non-stop CAI to SLC:

- MS3092 CAI 05.27 - SLC 11.52 B789 SU-GER

https://www.flightradar24.com/MSR3092/244dbaad


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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:44 pm

N212R wrote:
curlyheadboy wrote:
Travelboff wrote:
Aer Lingus are operating flights between Dublin and Beijing since yesterday. There were 3 A330 flights yesterday and 3 again today. EI9016, EI9018 & EI9020 currently all enroute.


One of them took a bird strike on departure. when it rains it pours apparently...

Will the threat of bird strikes be greater after this extended period of relative inactivity at many airports? What will airports be doing to discourage our avian friends from repatriating critical areas in the down time?


Quite possibly. So I imagine they will still have to continue normal bird scaring activities, maybe just not as frequently.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:48 pm

It appears Air India will bring home stranded Americans from India. The US Embassy in India is arranging these evacuation flights.

https://twitter.com/shukla_tarun/status ... 2720820224
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