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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:47 pm

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Austrian and Lufthansa at CHC


I hadn't realized that LH still operates 744s (at least it did until COVID-19). I thought they were all-748s at LH, but quick web search confirmed they have some 744s still.

Why would they use 744s when they could operate the more efficient 748s? I guess that doesn't matter since they gov't is footing the bill, and the passengers wouldn't be very choosy.

Maybe the 744s were blocking the 748s wherever LH is storing them.

Along with the VCV photos, that got me wondering how airlines determine which order to part planes. I assume you'd want to put the oldest ones plus newer ones close to a big maintenance check in the middle, since there's a chance they may never fly again.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:27 pm

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... ebt-rating

Article primarily focusing on DL's debt rating downgrade but does speak to US airlines as a whole and notes that (per their estimation) DL, WN and AS are the airlines best positioned to weather this storm. AA's rating is the worst of the majors.

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AA - B
AS - BB+
B6 - BB
DL - BB+
UA - BB-
WN - BBB+
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 10, 2020 5:51 pm

AENA has published numbers for Spanish airports in March 2020.

http://www.aena.es/csee/ccurl/131/368/3 ... _2020%20(1).pdf

An average -59.3% for the whole network, considering the first week traffic was as usual.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 10, 2020 6:30 pm

Italy March 2020 -98.6%

It is estimated that for 2020 Italian airports will lose 130 million passengers from the previous estimations (from 200M to 70M PAX).

https://www.corriere.it/cronache/20_apr ... 094b.shtml
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 10, 2020 7:18 pm

We all know airlines and passengers (not to mention victims' families) will have it rough for many a year after coronavirus, but in my spare time (when not actually having a ticket to travel),I liked nothing better than to go down to LHR (esp T2) and take in the atmosphere landside. Had a drink/meal, walked around, watched some planes, smelt some fuel haha

But even when COVID19 dies down a bit, I think the world has changed so much now that isn't it a bit silly of me to walk around an airline terminal amidst passengers who have travelled from god knows where when paranoia will probably cause me to hold my breath as we walk past?

Will the world ever be the same as I liked it? Ofc first world problems and all that...
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:26 am

First time ever for Delta Airlines operating a flight from to/from PPT. Article states 200 seats, so I'm guessing a 763?

Tahiti, April 10, 2020 - A charter operated by the Delta company to repatriate North American nationals present in French Polynesia should take place Monday at 4 p.m., the U.S. consular agency announced. Those wishing to take this flight are invited to make themselves known to the agency.


https://www.tahiti-infos.com/Un-vol-pou ... zvDji8pxmM
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:23 am

I have seen on FR24 that KL flights to JNB/CPT are operating through RUN. Only reason that comes to mind is they are consolidating AF ORY-RUN and KL AMS-JNB/CPT but it makes little sense to me
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:25 am

Came across this page recently (forgive me if its been already posted). Shows where airlines are parking their aircraft at major airports (Emergency Parking Plan).

https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/flight_info/aeronav/aero_data/apt_constr_notices/
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:32 am

On top of the Virgin Australia announcement a couple days ago of dropping to 1 route being MEL-SYD 6 weekly for its entire Australian domestic network, Qantas has announced that they have cut their domestic network down from around 200 aircraft to 1 737, 1 JQ A320 and 1 Q400

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... e-aircraft
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:37 am

Some photos of Hawaiian fleet stored at HNL, just WOW

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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 7:31 am

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I have seen on FR24 that KL flights to JNB/CPT are operating through RUN. Only reason that comes to mind is they are consolidating AF ORY-RUN and KL AMS-JNB/CPT but it makes little sense to me


The primary reason seems to be crew rest reasons. They don't stay in South Africa anymore. They fly to RUN, remain on the ground for 24 hours, and then continue to South Africa. The return is a straight South Africa - RUN - AMS flight without much time in between.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:32 am

LJ wrote:
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I have seen on FR24 that KL flights to JNB/CPT are operating through RUN. Only reason that comes to mind is they are consolidating AF ORY-RUN and KL AMS-JNB/CPT but it makes little sense to me


The primary reason seems to be crew rest reasons. They don't stay in South Africa anymore. They fly to RUN, remain on the ground for 24 hours, and then continue to South Africa. The return is a straight South Africa - RUN - AMS flight without much time in between.


Correct, apparently crew of all repatriation and cargo flights are not allowed to disembark at all in South Africa, or transported to and from a hotel under strict control.
For real Aviation lockdown look at South Africa...not a single scheduled flight operating for two weeks now...another 3 to go...only repatriation and cargo flights operating from JNB and CPT...rest all shut
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:31 am

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Swiss 77W pushing back at AKL with 2 LH A388's in the background

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https://twitter.com/LX_Newsroom/status/ ... 07523?s=20


I've got a friend stuck in POM, was kinda hoping one of these flights would swing by and pick her up. The aussies aren't letting her transit. What a mess.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:17 am

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Thailand has extended its ban on international flights which was initially for only 3 days to the 18th of April

https://www.businesstraveller.com/busin ... -april-18/


I've just had notification off QR that flights I had booked for a May/June trip to Thailand that my flights have now been cancelled so it looks like QR are expecting the ban to last longer. Looks like my wife won't be seeing her family for quite a while.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:45 pm

Several US airlines have petitioned for exceptions of service obligation strings which come along with federal support dollars. Some of these are referenced in other threads but not all (or not always easy to find) plus I think it's notable enough to view the bigger picture.

Delta is requesting exception primarily for DL/DL* seasonal markets, US Virgin Islands due to travel ban, plus Cedar City (runway construction)
https://www.regulations.gov/document?D= ... -0037-0057

Cody, WY (COD)
Juneau, AK (JNU)
Ketchikan, AK (KTN)
Martha's Vineyard, MA (MVY)
Nantucket, MA (ACK)
Sitka, AK (SIT)
West Yellowstone, MT (WYS)
Christiansted, VI (STX)
Charlotte Amalie, VI (STT)
Cedar City, UT (CDC)


Frontier is requesting exception from 26 cities based on loads
https://www.regulations.gov/document?D= ... -0037-0055

Albany, NY (ALB)
Billings, MT (BIL)
Bloomington, IL (BMI)
Boston, MA Metropolitan Region (BOS/PVD)
Burlington, VT (BTV)
Buffalo, NY (BUF)
Bozeman, MT (BZN)
Cedar Rapids, IA (CID)
Charlotte, NC (CLT)
Columbus, OH (CMH)
Colorado Springs, CO (COS)
Detroit, MI (DTW)
El Paso, TX (ELP)
Fargo, ND (FAR)
Sioux Falls, SD (FSD)
Spokane, WA (GEG)
Green Bay, WI (GRB)
Grand Rapids, MI (GRR)
Greenville/Spartanburg, SC (GSP)
Harlingen, TX (HRL)
Huntsville, AL (HSV)
Wichita, KS (ICT)
Jacksonville, FL (JAX)
Madison, WI (MSN)
Norfolk, VA (ORF)
West Palm Beach, FL (PBI)
Pittsburgh, PA (PIT)
Palm Springs, CA (PSP)
Portland, ME (PWM)
Raleigh/Durham, NC (RDU)
Louisville, KY (SDF)
Syracuse, NY (SYR)
Tyler, TX (TYR)
Knoxville, TN (TYS)


Jetblue wants to terminate some based on multi-airport metro areas, others based just on loads
https://www.regulations.gov/document?D= ... -0037-0048

BWI - Baltimore/Washington International Airport, nearby still serving DCA
BUR - Hollywood Burbank Airport nearby still serving LAX and LGB
HPN - Westchester County Airport nearby still serving JFK and EWR
LGA - LaGuardia Airport nearby still serving JFK and EWR
ONT - Ontario International Airport nearby still serving LAX and LGB
PVD - T. F. Green International Airport nearby still serving BOS
SJC - San Jose Mineta International Airport nearby still serving SFO
SWF - New York Stewart International Airport nearby still serving JFK, EWR and ALB

ABQ – Albuquerque International Sunport
BQN – Aguadilla / Rafael Hernández International Airport
BZN – Bozeman Yellowstone International Airport
DFW – Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport
IAH – Houston George Bush Intercontinental Airport
MSP – Minneapolis−Saint Paul International Airport
ORH – Worcester Regional Airport
PDX – Portland International Airport
PSE – Mercedita / Ponce International Airport
RNO – Reno-Tahoe International Airport
SMF – Sacramento International Airport


Hawaiian requests exemptions for based on loads, mostly mainline airports. (LAX/SFO remain but that may be it -- I think they are separately cutting co-terminus stations like OAK in favor of SFO/LAX)
https://www.regulations.gov/document?D= ... -0037-0052

Boston
Las Vegas
New York
Phoenix
Portland
Sacramento
San Diego
Seattle
Lahaina


Spirit requests exception based on a variety of reasons including heavy use of contract workers and the CARES act does not sufficiently/properly distribute financial support regarding contractors.
https://www.regulations.gov/document?D= ... -0037-0049

Aguadilla BQN
Asheville AVL
Austin AUS
Charleston CRW
St Thomas STT
Charlotte CLT
St Croix STX
Akron CAK
Cleveland CLE
Columbus CMH
Greensboro GSO
Hartford BDL
Indianapolis IND
Jacksonville JAX
Kansas City MCI
Latrobe LBE
Minneapolis MSP
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Newark EWR
LaGuarda LGA
Niagara Falls IAG
Pittsburgh PIT
Plattsburgh PBG
Portland PDX
Raleigh RDU
Richmond RIC
Sacramento SMF
Oakland OAK
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 2:28 pm

qf789 wrote:
at AKL with 2 LH A388's in the background

Great to see the whales doing a yeoman's job repatriating their citizens. Both could provide the most distancing for those passengers. :thumbsup:


BA repatriates seafarers from the UK home to Manila..... :airplane:

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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:04 pm

Air Canada is reconfiguring 3 77W's to cater for freight, the first one is already completed with 422 seats removed. The new reconfigured aircraft can 89.63 tonnes which is the equivalent to 9 million masks

Currently around 20 cargo flights are planned per week

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https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2020-04 ... sary-Cargo
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:08 pm

Six of British Airways A388's at CHR, with another 5 to join them shortly

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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:11 pm

SwissCanuck wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Swiss 77W pushing back at AKL with 2 LH A388's in the background

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https://twitter.com/LX_Newsroom/status/ ... 07523?s=20


I've got a friend stuck in POM, was kinda hoping one of these flights would swing by and pick her up. The aussies aren't letting her transit. What a mess.


A mess indeed. But nothing new, really. Not much different from AF/KLM's and LH Group's of this world, stranding their non-EU connecting passengers in faraway locales, and refusing to refund (so pax have to find BOTH an alternate route AND money to buy a one-way ticket). And refusing to negotiate transit arrangements with their home governments (despite being quite powerful in their home countries).
So, nothing really notable.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:18 pm

AF/KLM planning slow recovery, 20% capacity in June, July 40%, August 60%, 75% by Q4, doesnt expect recovery until well into 2021

https://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-fi ... 44934.html
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:39 pm

Question about these repatriation flights: Does the host country require the foreign nationals to leave? or does the home country require their foreign nationals return?

For example ... with all the Germans in New Zealand ... did the New Zealand government announce the Germans must depart? Or did the German government announce that everybody must return to Germany? In other words, if a German can legally reside in New Zealand, can they stay if they want?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:40 pm

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AF/KLM planning slow recovery, 20% capacity in June, July 40%, August 60%, 75% by Q4, doesnt expect recovery until well into 2021

https://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-fi ... 44934.html

That seems like wildly optimistic.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:09 pm

Aerolineas Argentinas will operate 2 freight flights to/from Shanghai via Auckland with the A332. This is the first time, I believe, that an A332 is deployed over the Southern Seas route. AR is no stranger to the route, being the airline that pioneered these flights in 1979. FFirst one will be flight AR1070/1,on 15/4, bringing respirators from China.

https://twitter.com/AvionesenEzeiza/sta ... 3726988289
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:14 pm

I think that these repatriation flights are for those foreign nationals who wish to return home, but are unable to due so because of the voluntary or mandatory closure of commercial aviation in most jurisdictions.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:19 pm

deltacto wrote:
[...]if a German can legally reside in New Zealand, can they stay if they want?


Of course, but these peaple have not settled down in New Zealand. They are just short term visitors who might have to solve urgent affairs in Germany instead of hanging out in New Zealand hostels.

tphuang wrote:
[...]That seems like wildly optimistic.


The article linked by @qf789 uses the words "terriblement ambitieux" in reference to AF/KL`s revovery plan.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:24 pm

tphuang wrote:
qf789 wrote:
AF/KLM planning slow recovery, 20% capacity in June, July 40%, August 60%, 75% by Q4, doesnt expect recovery until well into 2021

https://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-fi ... 44934.html

That seems like wildly optimistic.


Sounds realistic to me. The core of AF capacity is short/medium haul.
They have to keep the links with the remote french territories.
Domestic flights should partially recover in June. Traffic is mostly "business/VFR" + AF capacity is mostly from Paris where like most of the top cities in the world people no longer own cars or even driving licences.
Then the Schengen flights to selected countries in July/August.
Long haul end of Q4/2021 starting with some capital cities in Asia.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:51 pm

HiFly Malta's A343 9H-SUN departed MVD last night nonstop to MEL, carrying passengers from the cruise ship Greg Mortimer, that were stranded en route.

https://twitter.com/Alfonso_quincke/sta ... 0636999680

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/5m751
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:00 pm

dcajet, if the A332 has the ETOPS rating to do EZE-AKL, do you see the A332 doing EZE-AKL-SYD returning?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:03 pm

Aither wrote:
tphuang wrote:
qf789 wrote:
AF/KLM planning slow recovery, 20% capacity in June, July 40%, August 60%, 75% by Q4, doesnt expect recovery until well into 2021

https://www.latribune.fr/entreprises-fi ... 44934.html

That seems like wildly optimistic.


Sounds realistic to me. The core of AF capacity is short/medium haul.
They have to keep the links with the remote french territories.
Domestic flights should partially recover in June. Traffic is mostly "business/VFR" + AF capacity is mostly from Paris where like most of the top cities in the world people no longer own cars or even driving licences.
Then the Schengen flights to selected countries in July/August.
Long haul end of Q4/2021 starting with some capital cities in Asia.


Aither,

I think the article says 20% long haul in June, 40% in July and 60% in August 2020. We are currently flying 3x per week JFK-PAR instead of 5x per day normally. Numbers may be optimistic especially NYC and many other locations. Guess we'll see!
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Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:37 pm

OK, if it's long haul only it sounds indeed a bit optimistic. In particular considering they fly to Africa...
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 7:24 pm

I'm surprised this hasn't been posted.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKCN21S1Y7
grant just got a little less appealing now that 30% of that needs to be repaid with low interest. I still expect every airline to take it. If this is what the grants look like, the loans have to be at some really ugly terms. I can't see too many airlines taking this loans.
 
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Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:49 pm

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dcajet, if the A332 has the ETOPS rating to do EZE-AKL, do you see the A332 doing EZE-AKL-SYD returning?


Not for the foreseeable future.
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Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:16 pm

tphuang wrote:
I'm surprised this hasn't been posted.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKCN21S1Y7
grant just got a little less appealing now that 30% of that needs to be repaid with low interest. I still expect every airline to take it. If this is what the grants look like, the loans have to be at some really ugly terms. I can't see too many airlines taking this loans.

70% free money with a small stock warrant? I doubt many airlines couldn't take the terms.

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Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:49 am

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Aerolineas Argentinas will operate 2 freight flights to/from Shanghai via Auckland with the A332. This is the first time, I believe, that an A332 is deployed over the Southern Seas route. AR is no stranger to the route, being the airline that pioneered these flights in 1979. FFirst one will be flight AR1070/1,on 15/4, bringing respirators from China.

https://twitter.com/AvionesenEzeiza/sta ... 3726988289


This is the EZE-AKL route that the first flight plans to take. A most northerly track; suspect it is the lack of ETOPS 330 rating for the A332.

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Sun Apr 12, 2020 2:29 am

The last LH 747 flight will depart CHC around 1800 tonight local time, in the meantime here is another photo

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dcajet wrote:
dcajet wrote:
Aerolineas Argentinas will operate 2 freight flights to/from Shanghai via Auckland with the A332. This is the first time, I believe, that an A332 is deployed over the Southern Seas route. AR is no stranger to the route, being the airline that pioneered these flights in 1979. FFirst one will be flight AR1070/1,on 15/4, bringing respirators from China.

https://twitter.com/AvionesenEzeiza/sta ... 3726988289


This is the EZE-AKL route that the first flight plans to take. A most northerly track; suspect it is the lack of ETOPS 330 rating for the A332.

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LV-GHQ is being readied for its Southern Seas crossing en route to PVG from EZE via AKL.

https://twitter.com/GDoggBA/status/1249160681208852487
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:57 am

dcajet wrote:
dcajet wrote:
Aerolineas Argentinas will operate 2 freight flights to/from Shanghai via Auckland with the A332. This is the first time, I believe, that an A332 is deployed over the Southern Seas route. AR is no stranger to the route, being the airline that pioneered these flights in 1979. FFirst one will be flight AR1070/1,on 15/4, bringing respirators from China.

https://twitter.com/AvionesenEzeiza/sta ... 3726988289


This is the EZE-AKL route that the first flight plans to take. A most northerly track; suspect it is the lack of ETOPS 330 rating for the A332.

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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 7:37 am

is Korean doing LAX-SFO-ICN these days using a 748?
look at https://www.flightradar24.com/KAL214/2459b555, it travelled from LAX to SFO
 
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is Korean doing LAX-SFO-ICN these days using a 748?
look at https://www.flightradar24.com/KAL214/2459b555, it travelled from LAX to SFO

Well it is 747-8, but exactly the 747-8F
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 12:11 pm

Aesma (in the pinned news and reference thread) wrote:
According to Emmanuel Macron, Schengen Area leaders are in talk to keep the external borders closed until September : https://www.bfmtv.com/politique/macron- ... 92361.html (in French only)[...]


EU official suggests not to book trips for July, August...

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/04/12/ ... mer-trips/

(^^ AP via The Boston Globe, with annoying pop-ups)
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 2:07 pm

tphuang wrote:
I'm surprised this hasn't been posted.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKCN21S1Y7
grant just got a little less appealing now that 30% of that needs to be repaid with low interest. I still expect every airline to take it. If this is what the grants look like, the loans have to be at some really ugly terms. I can't see too many airlines taking this loans.


AFAIK It's much cheaper than the packages offered in the 2008 financial crisis to the financial firms. Moreover, what are their options?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:44 pm

Antaras wrote:
mandargb wrote:
is Korean doing LAX-SFO-ICN these days using a 748?
look at https://www.flightradar24.com/KAL214/2459b555, it travelled from LAX to SFO

Well it is 747-8, but exactly the 747-8F
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This was a normal circuit before the crisis. China Airlines also does it with 744Fs. TPE-LAX-SFO-TPE.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:06 pm

DL is running SLC PPG (Pago Pago). On a B767-300ER

https://www.flightradar24.com/DAL8835/2459eb46
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:19 pm

Today's weather forecast for the southern US has the potential to be brutal. Good news is not that many aircraft in the air but people on the ground will have to choose where to shelter.
From an airplane admirers prospective, there are alot of park airliners in harms way.
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    Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

    Sun Apr 12, 2020 4:52 pm

    MohawkWeekend wrote:
    Today's weather forecast for the southern US has the potential to be brutal. Good news is not that many aircraft in the air but people on the ground will have to choose where to shelter.
    From an airplane admirers prospective, there are a lot of park airliners in harms way.


    Indeed the Southern and Southeastern USA will be facing possible tornado, severe thunderstorms, hail and high wind conditions throughout Sunday into Monday AM, then high winds and rainstorms in the Northeastern USA, including the NYC metro area into all daytime Monday. This could disrupt some of the few pax and cargo flights operating as well as possible damage to aircraft on the ground.
     
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    Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

    Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:20 pm

    deltacto wrote:
    Question about these repatriation flights: Does the host country require the foreign nationals to leave? or does the home country require their foreign nationals return?

    For example ... with all the Germans in New Zealand ... did the New Zealand government announce the Germans must depart? Or did the German government announce that everybody must return to Germany? In other words, if a German can legally reside in New Zealand, can they stay if they want?


    It's not so much a question of being forced to leave, more akin to not having enough funds to stay. For example, many Europeans are on working holiday visas, so if the work dries up they have to rely on their savings to extend their stay. With Australia there are many residents on 4-5-7 visas (the number of years the visa can be extended), but those people are tied to a particular employer, so if you get laid off, you can't go work for a competitor. You also can't access unemployment benefits, so again you have a problem.
     
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    Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

    Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:24 pm

    SwissCanuck wrote:
    I've got a friend stuck in POM, was kinda hoping one of these flights would swing by and pick her up. The aussies aren't letting her transit. What a mess.


    She should have taken the PX POM-SIN flight before SIN transits were banned- it's still operating. As you know, PX continues to operate POM-CNS/BNE, but no Australian transit permitted. The vast majority of workers in PNG are Australians or Filipinos so there was never any probability of being picked up.
     
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    Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

    Sun Apr 12, 2020 5:24 pm

    I see a LY flying TLV - DTW today, LY23. 789. Repatriation?? Or med supplies. I know we're hurting here in SE Michigan..
     
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    Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

    Sun Apr 12, 2020 6:03 pm

    at this point, I can see at least a couple of ULCCs just not taking the grants and furloughing people.
    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/11/flight- ... ffers.html
    So the question is do you take the "free money" that's 30% less than what you initially thought you were going to get in exchange for flying a bunch of routes that you don't want to fly (see the 26 city waiver that NK asked for or the 37 city waiver that F9 asked for) and start furloughing now.

    Huge punch in the gut for airline workers imo
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