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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 23, 2020 4:56 am

Vietnamese gov' plans 13 repatriation flights, all operated by Vietnamese carriers:
VN (10): repatriating citizens from Japan, US, Canada (nonstop ?), UAE, France, Russia, Spain, and Thailand
VJ (2): repatriating Vietnameses from Singapore and Indonesia
QH (1): from Phillipines.
Strange things with Bamboo as it once said that it won't ever repatriating Vietnameses, to reduce pressure on the local medical system.
Things inside Vietnam becoming better and better, and QH might have changed its mind. Or simply it is just running out of money. :D

The elders, children under 18 as well as disadvantaged people will be priortized on those flights.

https://vnexpress.net/chuan-bi-13-chuyen-bay-don-nguoi-viet-hoi-huong-4088929.html
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:10 am

Antaras wrote:
Vietnamese gov' plans 13 repatriation flights, all operated by Vietnamese carriers:
VN (10): repatriating citizens from Japan, US, Canada (nonstop ?), UAE, France, Russia, Spain, and Thailand
VJ (2): repatriating Vietnameses from Singapore and Indonesia
QH (1): from Phillipines.
Strange things with Bamboo as it once said that it won't ever repatriating Vietnameses, to reduce pressure on the local medical system.
Things inside Vietnam becoming better and better, and QH might have changed its mind. Or simply it is just running out of money. :D

The elders, children under 18 as well as disadvantaged people will be priortized on those flights.

https://vnexpress.net/chuan-bi-13-chuyen-bay-don-nguoi-viet-hoi-huong-4088929.html


When’s the last time a Vietnamese carrier visited the United States? Aside from aircraft deliveries.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:50 am

Ishrion wrote:
Antaras wrote:
Vietnamese gov' plans 13 repatriation flights, all operated by Vietnamese carriers:
VN (10): repatriating citizens from Japan, US, Canada (nonstop ?), UAE, France, Russia, Spain, and Thailand
VJ (2): repatriating Vietnameses from Singapore and Indonesia
QH (1): from Phillipines.
Strange things with Bamboo as it once said that it won't ever repatriating Vietnameses, to reduce pressure on the local medical system.
Things inside Vietnam becoming better and better, and QH might have changed its mind. Or simply it is just running out of money. :D

The elders, children under 18 as well as disadvantaged people will be priortized on those flights.

https://vnexpress.net/chuan-bi-13-chuyen-bay-don-nguoi-viet-hoi-huong-4088929.html


When’s the last time a Vietnamese carrier visited the United States? Aside from aircraft deliveries.


Probably May 2017, when the Vietnamese Prime Minister visited the US for a State visit. On official State visits, a VN plane is always used.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:51 am

Ishrion wrote:
Antaras wrote:
Vietnamese gov' plans 13 repatriation flights, all operated by Vietnamese carriers:
VN (10): repatriating citizens from Japan, US, Canada (nonstop ?), UAE, France, Russia, Spain, and Thailand
VJ (2): repatriating Vietnameses from Singapore and Indonesia
QH (1): from Phillipines.
Strange things with Bamboo as it once said that it won't ever repatriating Vietnameses, to reduce pressure on the local medical system.
Things inside Vietnam becoming better and better, and QH might have changed its mind. Or simply it is just running out of money. :D

The elders, children under 18 as well as disadvantaged people will be priortized on those flights.

https://vnexpress.net/chuan-bi-13-chuyen-bay-don-nguoi-viet-hoi-huong-4088929.html


When’s the last time a Vietnamese carrier visited the United States? Aside from aircraft deliveries.


Let me guess, VN's flight carrying Vietnamese leaders (President, Prime Minister,...) visiting America.
Have a look at this VN B772 carrying General Secretary Nguyễn Phú Trọng, spotted at JFK in July 2015 :D
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:22 am

Footage showing JAL and ANA aircraft being used to haul cargo in the cabin, PPE among other things.

https://www.news24.jp/articles/2020/04/22/07630512.html
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 23, 2020 4:16 pm

TG struggling as expected...

"BANGKOK -- Thai Airways International, a listed state-owned enterprise, is dangerously close to becoming the world's first national flag carrier to go bust amid the coronavirus pandemic, with only days left to maneuver out of its latest financial straits.

Down to its last 10 billion baht ($307 million), according to local reports, which is enough to pay its employees for one month, the airline is in talks with the Thai government regarding a bailout.

To tide itself over during the emergency, the carrier has requested that the government approve a 70 billion-baht bridge loan, with the Finance Ministry as a guarantor, ministry sources told the Nikkei Asian Review."

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Transp ... lQvtaOryxo
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:26 pm

behramjee wrote:
As per updated filing across major GDS systems today, Air France has extended the cancellation of many medium/long haul destinations to be as follows:

Africa - Dakar, Abidjan, Bamako, Conakry, Nairobi, Doualal Johannesburg, Libreville, Accra, Lagos and Ouagadougou flights are closed for sale till 14Jun

North America - Toronto, San Francisco, Miami and Houston flights are closed for sale till 28Jun

Asia - Bangkok, Seoul, Beijing, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Singapore, Taipei, Tokyo Haneda flights are closed for sale till 03Jul


The African cities mentioned above is now further suspended for sale until 01Jul as per alert on the GDS system today morning.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:32 pm

Rare visitors to Algiers today
Air Belgium A340-300 BRU-ALG-BRU
Helvetic Airways E190 GVA-ALG-GVA
Air Cairo A320 CAI-ALG-BCN-RMF
Air Asia X A330-300 MCT-ALG-TUN-?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 23, 2020 7:55 pm

AMS is making use of the downtime for testing a new hybrid pull-pushback-taxi tractor. Departing aircraft will be able to taxi without engine use in a single movement.

Source: https://news.schiphol.com/schiphol-and- ... ing-trial/
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:32 pm

Air New Zealand to cancel AKL-EZE route. While no official announcement has been made the airline is offering refunds for all outstanding tickets on the route. Reprogramming is not an option, as per NZ.

https://www.sirchandler.com.ar/2020/04/ ... argentina/
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:41 pm

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Air New Zealand to cancel AKL-EZE route. While no official announcement has been made the airline is offering refunds for all outstanding tickets on the route. Reprogramming is not an option, as per NZ.

https://www.sirchandler.com.ar/2020/04/ ... argentina/


Confirmed by the airline: https://www.airnewzealand.com/press-rel ... al-network

AKL-NYC is postponed until sometime in 2021.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:53 am

Jazz getting cargo conversion kits for 13 Q-400
https://www.flightglobal.com/fleets/de- ... 51.article
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:52 am

VRHNM wrote:
TG struggling as expected...

"BANGKOK -- Thai Airways International, a listed state-owned enterprise, is dangerously close to becoming the world's first national flag carrier to go bust amid the coronavirus pandemic, with only days left to maneuver out of its latest financial straits.

Down to its last 10 billion baht ($307 million), according to local reports, which is enough to pay its employees for one month, the airline is in talks with the Thai government regarding a bailout.

To tide itself over during the emergency, the carrier has requested that the government approve a 70 billion-baht bridge loan, with the Finance Ministry as a guarantor, ministry sources told the Nikkei Asian Review."

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Transp ... lQvtaOryxo


Everyone is now struggling, even TG's worthy neighbours such as SQ, VN...
However TG's struggle can be the worst.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:21 am

VN's repatriation flights:
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Suprisingly those flights:
HAN/SGN-YVR-VDO/VCA
HAN/SGN-SFO-VDO/VCA
HAN/SGN-IAD-VDO/VCA

Those will be VN's longest flight ever, especially the IAD flight.
VN will likely use the A359 on those flights, with the number of 300 pax (that's quite high), this might also a chance for VN to evaluate its A359 on its proposed North-America routes.

The problem that if VN can do SGN-IAD-VCA (8997 mi + 9051mi) by regular 300-seat A359, why must SQ has to use the premium-heavy A359ULR on SIN-SFO (8446 mi).
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WN CEO makes course reversal on airline size.

Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:16 pm

Last week Gary Kelly said the airline did not intend to shrink or close cities.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/southwest-airline-furloughs-route-map-coronavirus/

Less than a week later his tone has changed and a smaller Southwest may be more likely than he previously conveyed. Now he is saying drastic steps must be taken.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/airline-news/2020/04/23/southwest-airlines-ceo-gary-kelly-flyers-needed-avoid-drastic-steps/3013385001/

Have noticed that WN seems to be running more flights than the other carriers during the crisis. Saw an article saying this is due to the lack of a true hub and spoke network. In the linear routings it is difficult to cancel flights because of aircraft routing limitations. With single digit passengers on many flights this will increase their cash burn.

There will be a lot of pain industry wide. This time it appears WN will not be insulated from this downturn.
 
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Re: WN CEO makes course reversal on airline size.

Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:22 pm

Would you say that a future Southwest might build several HUB alike focus cities? If so maybe cities like PHX and former east coast legacy hubs/focus cities might benefits the most. I am thinking cities like Nashville, St. Luis and Cincinnati.
 
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Re: WN CEO makes course reversal on airline size.

Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:25 pm

"Have noticed that WN seems to be running more flights than the other carriers during the crisis."

My experience does not reflect this. I have had 2 WN flights canceled on me this week and WN did not offer me any alternative for the canceled flights. I just booked AA, at least they will proactively book me on another flight.
 
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Re: WN CEO makes course reversal on airline size.

Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:32 pm

chonetsao wrote:
Would you say that a future Southwest might build several HUB alike focus cities? If so maybe cities like PHX and former east coast legacy hubs/focus cities might benefits the most. I am thinking cities like Nashville, St. Luis and Cincinnati.


It already has: BWI, MDW, DEN, DAL immediately come to mind. There are others.
 
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Re: United posts full agreement Payroll Support Program

Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:41 pm

Heavy rumors that the company is about to force all full-time agents to part-time. This was directly asked of leadership yesterday and they did not deny it, but instead said they are still considering all options. How that is not a cut in pay is beyond me? How is this allowed?

edit: This is about United. Since we are not allowed to have any discussions outside of this thread and they merged the other thread here.
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Re: WN CEO makes course reversal on airline size.

Fri Apr 24, 2020 2:42 pm

itchief wrote:
"Have noticed that WN seems to be running more flights than the other carriers during the crisis."

My experience does not reflect this. I have had 2 WN flights canceled on me this week and WN did not offer me any alternative for the canceled flights. I just booked AA, at least they will proactively book me on another flight.


There are public data for flight counts and seats. By seats, it's not even close. That doesn't mean on every airport pair WN has the most flights and seats.

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/air ... e-for-now/
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:08 pm

MAS suspending international airports, maintain a limited domestic network.
http://www.orientaviation.com/articles/ ... ic-network

Also Indonesia suspending domestic flights through June 1st. Big move for an island nation!
https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... l-flights/
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:59 pm

mercure1 wrote:
MAS suspending international airports, maintain a limited domestic network.
http://www.orientaviation.com/articles/ ... ic-network

Also Indonesia suspending domestic flights through June 1st. Big move for an island nation!
https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... l-flights/

A lot of cargo is transported regionally by air in south east asia, and in Indonesia in particular. I know that cargo flights are exempt from this suspension but it may become quite difficult for some islands. Lots of fresh produce gets flown around but also mechanical spare parts, electronics and mail.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:23 pm

Have not seen this posted yet:

„Indonesia bans air travel until June 1“:

https://www.businesstraveller.com/busin ... il-june-1/
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Re: WN CEO makes course reversal on airline size.

Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:46 pm

mcdu wrote:
Last week Gary Kelly said the airline did not intend to shrink or close cities.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/southwest-airline-furloughs-route-map-coronavirus/

Less than a week later his tone has changed and a smaller Southwest may be more likely than he previously conveyed. Now he is saying drastic steps must be taken.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/airline-news/2020/04/23/southwest-airlines-ceo-gary-kelly-flyers-needed-avoid-drastic-steps/3013385001/

Have noticed that WN seems to be running more flights than the other carriers during the crisis. Saw an article saying this is due to the lack of a true hub and spoke network. In the linear routings it is difficult to cancel flights because of aircraft routing limitations. With single digit passengers on many flights this will increase their cash burn.

There will be a lot of pain industry wide. This time it appears WN will not be insulated from this downturn.


At first this was definitely true - WN was still running more long, thin routes and the frequency on some it’s more frequent routes like MSP-MDW thru mid to late March was simply unnecessary. But they’ve scaled back significantly in the last 2-3 weeks or so and continue a number of close in cancels.

They’ve also adjusted my travel booked in July and August as of yesterday. Way ahead of significant moves made by the big 3, at least for now.

Just my two cents... WN has a history of using crises to its benefit to gain share. Wouldn’t be shocked if they thought they might be able to do so at the very outset by keeping more flying ready for immediate rebound - but they quickly realized this is far more dire than they had calculated. Seems like they’re now getting ahead of things
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 3:53 am

Did WN opt for their summer schedule or Winter? If they chose the summer schedule, do they have to return to EWR?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:35 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Did WN opt for their summer schedule or Winter? If they chose the summer schedule, do they have to return to EWR?


Regardless of which they opted for they wouldn't have to return to EWR as long as they continue to serve LGA and ISP. There was a provision that allows airlines to concentrate service at a single co-terminal.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:56 am

alasizon wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Did WN opt for their summer schedule or Winter? If they chose the summer schedule, do they have to return to EWR?


Regardless of which they opted for they wouldn't have to return to EWR as long as they continue to serve LGA and ISP. There was a provision that allows airlines to concentrate service at a single co-terminal.

Oh... totally forgot about that little clause.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:57 am

Republic started terminations today (Friday). Letting go of 5% of the workforce. CBA-covered staff not affected (yet), so HQ is taking a big hit, including Operations. Even one Duty Manager let go.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:16 am

ojjunior wrote:
What is Garuda Indonesia doing in Brazil?

GA8800 from Amsterdam https://fr24.com/GIA8800/2464294e

First time ever IIRC.

Evacuation flight for Brazilians in ASEAN. The routing was HAN-BKK-KNO-AMS-GRU, AMS replaced DOH as tech-stop after the Qatari government denied the request because "they didn't choose QR for the job".
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:26 am

Bloomberg is reporting that LH group will run low on cash in a few weeks. They are seeking a bailout from Germany, Austria, Switzerland, and Belgium.

https://finance.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/ ... viZnshMp4I
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 8:50 am

max999 wrote:
Bloomberg is reporting that LH group will run low on cash in a few weeks. They are seeking a bailout from Germany, Austria, Switzerland, and Belgium.

https://finance.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/ ... viZnshMp4I



The cuts at LH will be hard! Around 10.000 less employees, 100 planes will dissappear.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKCN2262JN

Lufthansa expects it will operate 100 fewer aircraft with 10,000 fewer staff after the coronavirus crisis ends, its chief executive Carsten Spohr told employees on Friday. Spohr issued the statement to employees on the company’s intranet. The company had previously indicated that its 140,000 employees would shrink by 7,000 and that the 760-strong fleet would decline by around 80.

The airline aims to finalise a state aid rescue package worth up to 10 billion euros ($10.79 billion) next week after the coronavirus crisis forced it to ground almost all of its planes, people close to the matter have said. “We will probably regain our footing in 2023. Then the Lufthansa Group will be a different company,” Spohr told workers, according to a transcript seen by Reuters.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:12 am

Is the Mahan Air IKA-LSP A346 a Cargo flight or repatriation flight?

Seems to be the longest flight ever done with an A346, more than 14h
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:12 am

For now and well into 2021 until a vaccine or viable treatment for COVID-19 is broadly available, airlines around the world will be in survival mode but will take advantage of it to make major long-term decisions.
For sure airlines know that passenger travel will be down well into 2022-23 due to the economic near-depression and possible visa restrictions of international travel of many of its customers including business travel. They will 'right size' the number and frequency of airports they serve, numbers of seats on planes, significantly cut the amounts and compensation of staff, have fewer overall seats will jack up fare yields.
I think one big wild card over the next several years will be as to China. I suspect that passenger travel to/from PRC will be limited by visa and health restrictions, that many will refuse to travel to China over health and political risks, PRC nationals getting many fewer work visas like in Italy as won't be welcome in many countries out of revenge for the virus and political issues. One thing I fear the PRC government will do is to try to permanently cripple the airlines based in Taiwan and Hong Kong, tighten up on access to PRC markets of all foreign airlines to help PRC based airlines for whats left of business. Some countries, especially the USA and EC countries may also force a return to them of some manufacturing so don't have to rely on PRC based production for critical products like PPE, chemicals, medical ingredients, packaging materials and many other products so less business travel.
 
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Re: United posts full agreement Payroll Support Program

Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:23 pm

jetmatt777 wrote:
Heavy rumors that the company is about to force all full-time agents to part-time. This was directly asked of leadership yesterday and they did not deny it, but instead said they are still considering all options. How that is not a cut in pay is beyond me? How is this allowed?

edit: This is about United. Since we are not allowed to have any discussions outside of this thread and they merged the other thread here.


They merged your comments in with the another United thread, check the $2.1 billion dollar lost thread.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 7:27 pm

Aerolineas Argentinas will return to London Heathrow with a repatriation flight on May 5th. Last time AR was @ LHR ws during the Rugby World Cup in 2014.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:41 am

Antaras wrote:
VN's repatriation flights:
Image
@Vietnam Air Forum
Suprisingly those flights:
HAN/SGN-YVR-VDO/VCA
HAN/SGN-SFO-VDO/VCA
HAN/SGN-IAD-VDO/VCA

Those will be VN's longest flight ever, especially the IAD flight.
VN will likely use the A359 on those flights, with the number of 300 pax (that's quite high), this might also a chance for VN to evaluate its A359 on its proposed North-America routes.

The problem that if VN can do SGN-IAD-VCA (8997 mi + 9051mi) by regular 300-seat A359, why must SQ has to use the premium-heavy A359ULR on SIN-SFO (8446 mi).


Did the SFO one ever takeoff?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:55 am

Ishrion wrote:
Antaras wrote:
VN's repatriation flights:
@Vietnam Air Forum
Suprisingly those flights:
HAN/SGN-YVR-VDO/VCA
HAN/SGN-SFO-VDO/VCA
HAN/SGN-IAD-VDO/VCA

Those will be VN's longest flight ever, especially the IAD flight.
VN will likely use the A359 on those flights, with the number of 300 pax (that's quite high), this might also a chance for VN to evaluate its A359 on its proposed North-America routes.

The problem that if VN can do SGN-IAD-VCA (8997 mi + 9051mi) by regular 300-seat A359, why must SQ has to use the premium-heavy A359ULR on SIN-SFO (8446 mi).


Did the SFO one ever takeoff?


404 not found. I am spotting VN331 flying KIX-HAN, but not sure it flew from SFO.
[confirm: nope. That is all-cargo flights]
Maybe those are fake rumours, or the flight was delayed. VN once said that it sets up North America repatriation flights on official article. I have known that there would be VN8 from Toronto, but no more info.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:12 am

ltbewr wrote:
For now and well into 2021 until a vaccine or viable treatment for COVID-19 is broadly available, airlines around the world will be in survival mode but will take advantage of it to make major long-term decisions.
For sure airlines know that passenger travel will be down well into 2022-23 due to the economic near-depression and possible visa restrictions of international travel of many of its customers including business travel. They will 'right size' the number and frequency of airports they serve, numbers of seats on planes, significantly cut the amounts and compensation of staff, have fewer overall seats will jack up fare yields.
I think one big wild card over the next several years will be as to China. I suspect that passenger travel to/from PRC will be limited by visa and health restrictions, that many will refuse to travel to China over health and political risks, PRC nationals getting many fewer work visas like in Italy as won't be welcome in many countries out of revenge for the virus and political issues. One thing I fear the PRC government will do is to try to permanently cripple the airlines based in Taiwan and Hong Kong, tighten up on access to PRC markets of all foreign airlines to help PRC based airlines for whats left of business. Some countries, especially the USA and EC countries may also force a return to them of some manufacturing so don't have to rely on PRC based production for critical products like PPE, chemicals, medical ingredients, packaging materials and many other products so less business travel.


It will be until 2021 until a vaccine is available. We should have treatment LONG before then. If we don’t, we have to go back to some resemblance of normal anyway. We can’t shut down for that long.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:16 am

Oh yes we can be shut down for years if needed, and don’t expect the vaccine to be done in 2021, i put my bets on 2022 as the mumps vaccine took 4 years, the current holding record.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:23 am

Ishrion wrote:
Antaras wrote:
VN's repatriation flights:
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Suprisingly those flights:
HAN/SGN-YVR-VDO/VCA
HAN/SGN-SFO-VDO/VCA
HAN/SGN-IAD-VDO/VCA

Those will be VN's longest flight ever, especially the IAD flight.
VN will likely use the A359 on those flights, with the number of 300 pax (that's quite high), this might also a chance for VN to evaluate its A359 on its proposed North-America routes.

The problem that if VN can do SGN-IAD-VCA (8997 mi + 9051mi) by regular 300-seat A359, why must SQ has to use the premium-heavy A359ULR on SIN-SFO (8446 mi).


Did the SFO one ever takeoff?


Seems like we have a new schedule from Vietnam Air Forum. Yep the SFO flight was delayed.
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IAD-ANC-HAN, one-stop in Alaska.
YVZ-YVR-HAN, one-stop in Vancouver.

Those make sense.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:26 am

ual4life wrote:
Oh yes we can be shut down for years if needed, and don’t expect the vaccine to be done in 2021, i put my bets on 2022 as the mumps vaccine took 4 years, the current holding record.


Fact: it was 18 years since SARS epidemic and we still have no vaccine.

Btw, this is the aviation forum. Keep it aviation.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:06 pm

UA donating 15,000 pounds of food from EWR base to 3 food banks in NJ. https://www.nj.com/togethernj/2020/04/n ... lines.html
 
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JetBlue requiring all customers to cover their face beginning May 4th

Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:26 am

Just announced. It will be interesting to see if other carriers follow.

http://otp.investis.com/clients/us/jetb ... wsid=68480
 
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Re: JetBlue requiring all customers to cover their face beginning May 4th

Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:36 am

They will backtrack quick if other carriers don't adopt the same policy....
 
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Re: JetBlue requiring all customers to cover their face beginning May 4th

Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:48 am

Why not at this point?

Really cant hurt

But they should provide masks if needed
 
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Re: JetBlue requiring all customers to cover their face beginning May 4th

Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:54 am

catiii wrote:
Just announced. It will be interesting to see if other carriers follow.

http://otp.investis.com/clients/us/jetb ... wsid=68480

I assume TSA will require removal at the checkpoint?
 
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Re: JetBlue requiring all customers to cover their face beginning May 4th

Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:58 am

I think they and all carriers should provide masks at check-in. There could be any number of reasons where a passenger may not have a mask when they get to the airport.

Policy wise, I think this is the right policy.
 
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Re: JetBlue requiring all customers to cover their face beginning May 4th

Tue Apr 28, 2020 2:02 am

enilria wrote:
catiii wrote:
Just announced. It will be interesting to see if other carriers follow.

http://otp.investis.com/clients/us/jetb ... wsid=68480

I assume TSA will require removal at the checkpoint?

About 2 weeks ago I talked to someone fairly amused that two id checks - at bag drop-off and TSA - were OK with bandana covered lower part of the face and large sunglasses covered upper part.

On a separate note, NYS - hence JFK hub - requires face covered in public via governor's order.
 
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Re: JetBlue requiring all customers to cover their face beginning May 4th

Tue Apr 28, 2020 2:17 am

Does seem ironic when just a couple years ago, face covering was taboo due to the threat of terrorism...
 
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Re: JetBlue requiring all customers to cover their face beginning May 4th

Tue Apr 28, 2020 2:18 am

kalvado wrote:
enilria wrote:
catiii wrote:
Just announced. It will be interesting to see if other carriers follow.

http://otp.investis.com/clients/us/jetb ... wsid=68480

I assume TSA will require removal at the checkpoint?

About 2 weeks ago I talked to someone fairly amused that two id checks - at bag drop-off and TSA - were OK with bandana covered lower part of the face and large sunglasses covered upper part.

On a separate note, NYS - hence JFK hub - requires face covered in public via governor's order.


Straight from the source:

"Medical Masks
Carry On Bags: Yes
Checked Bags: Yes
You may wear medical masks during security screening. However, please remove the mask when you arrive at the checkpoint until the TSA officer has verified your identity."
(Source: https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-scr ... ical-masks , accessed 27APR2020)
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