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LNCS0930
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Re: JetBlue requiring all customers to cover their face beginning May 4th

Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:03 am

catiii wrote:
Just announced. It will be interesting to see if other carriers follow.

http://otp.investis.com/clients/us/jetb ... wsid=68480


Unlikely. I think this will cause a percentage of people to not fly. I don’t expect any other carriers will do it
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:26 am

Argentina stops all flights until 1 September
No passenger ticket sales at all. This might do in LATAM

https://www.france24.com/en/20200428-ar ... ing-outcry
 
catiii
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Re: JetBlue requiring all customers to cover their face beginning May 4th

Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:50 am

enilria wrote:
catiii wrote:
Just announced. It will be interesting to see if other carriers follow.

http://otp.investis.com/clients/us/jetb ... wsid=68480

I assume TSA will require removal at the checkpoint?


Most people are covering their face already in the terminal. I'm sure the TSA policy will be no different.
 
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Re: JetBlue requiring all customers to cover their face beginning May 4th

Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:52 am

LNCS0930 wrote:
catiii wrote:
Just announced. It will be interesting to see if other carriers follow.

http://otp.investis.com/clients/us/jetb ... wsid=68480


Unlikely. I think this will cause a percentage of people to not fly. I don’t expect any other carriers will do it


What percentage of the roughly 3% that are flying now will abandon flying? Traffic is down practically 97% YOY. You think a facial covering is going to drive the masses away?
 
catiii
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Re: JetBlue requiring all customers to cover their face beginning May 4th

Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:53 am

tphuang wrote:
I think they and all carriers should provide masks at check-in. There could be any number of reasons where a passenger may not have a mask when they get to the airport.

Policy wise, I think this is the right policy.


The policy is facial covering. Doesn't need to be a mask.
 
airhansa
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Tue Apr 28, 2020 5:30 am

The situation over in Europe seems to be more dire because on increased competition and less demand. The major airlines of the US will remain but the smaller regional airlines will merge. In Europe, which lacks a major airline, mergers and failures are more likely to happen.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Tue Apr 28, 2020 8:08 am

airhansa wrote:
The situation over in Europe seems to be more dire because on increased competition and less demand. The major airlines of the US will remain but the smaller regional airlines will merge. In Europe, which lacks a major airline, mergers and failures are more likely to happen.


So IAG, AFKLM, LH, EasyJet ,Wizz and RyanAir all don't count then?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Tue Apr 28, 2020 9:39 am

jomur wrote:
airhansa wrote:
The situation over in Europe seems to be more dire because on increased competition and less demand. The major airlines of the US will remain but the smaller regional airlines will merge. In Europe, which lacks a major airline, mergers and failures are more likely to happen.


So IAG, AFKLM, LH, EasyJet ,Wizz and RyanAir all don't count then?


They still retain the various national airlines within the merged companies. This isn't efficient and loses money. Why would Lufthansa want to prop up a loss making Austrian Airlines?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:39 am

Masks being worn by all on an airplane should be mandated by all government airline authorities for the duration of the highest risk period of this pandemic. Some, like my brother, have to travel as part of their job and for financial survival. Some have to travel as provide technical services to keep our country running to survive this pandemic. The wearing of masks is a relatively inexpensive, incremental and critical way to reduce the risks of possibly infected persons infecting others, to reduce the risk of getting infected when in places like stores or where social distancing is difficult, like in an airplane. To me JetBlue is making the correct and sound business and ethical decision.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:18 pm

airhansa wrote:
jomur wrote:
airhansa wrote:
The situation over in Europe seems to be more dire because on increased competition and less demand. The major airlines of the US will remain but the smaller regional airlines will merge. In Europe, which lacks a major airline, mergers and failures are more likely to happen.


So IAG, AFKLM, LH, EasyJet ,Wizz and RyanAir all don't count then?


They still retain the various national airlines within the merged companies. This isn't efficient and loses money. Why would Lufthansa want to prop up a loss making Austrian Airlines?


But you are comparing a country for a region... Try comparing Europe with the whole of the American continent then.. No one major airline then as all the airlines are country specific.
 
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Re: JetBlue requiring all customers to cover their face beginning May 4th

Tue Apr 28, 2020 1:50 pm

catiii wrote:
LNCS0930 wrote:
catiii wrote:
Just announced. It will be interesting to see if other carriers follow.

http://otp.investis.com/clients/us/jetb ... wsid=68480


Unlikely. I think this will cause a percentage of people to not fly. I don’t expect any other carriers will do it


What percentage of the roughly 3% that are flying now will abandon flying? Traffic is down practically 97% YOY. You think a facial covering is going to drive the masses away?


Immediately I don’t think so but 4-5-6 months from now it might. If airlines start seeing advanced bookings go up for the later summer into the holiday season I would be wary about instituting a mask required policy. Jet Blue got a fairly poor response to it on social media yesterday. I think what AA has done is better. Hand them out and I think many will wear it. You make people do it and it’s usually less well received
 
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Re: JetBlue requiring all customers to cover their face beginning May 4th

Tue Apr 28, 2020 2:17 pm

LNCS0930 wrote:
catiii wrote:
LNCS0930 wrote:

Unlikely. I think this will cause a percentage of people to not fly. I don’t expect any other carriers will do it


What percentage of the roughly 3% that are flying now will abandon flying? Traffic is down practically 97% YOY. You think a facial covering is going to drive the masses away?


Immediately I don’t think so but 4-5-6 months from now it might. If airlines start seeing advanced bookings go up for the later summer into the holiday season I would be wary about instituting a mask required policy. Jet Blue got a fairly poor response to it on social media yesterday. I think what AA has done is better. Hand them out and I think many will wear it. You make people do it and it’s usually less well received


Other countries have compulsory face mask laws in public including transportation/aircraft, and people accept and move on that it is part of life. I think the approach in the US of people objecting to infringements of their civil liberties (a face mask...despite its likely effectiveness against spreading the virus) may go someone to explain why there are significantly more cases and deaths in the US than other countries.
 
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Re: JetBlue requiring all customers to cover their face beginning May 4th

Tue Apr 28, 2020 3:32 pm

LNCS0930 wrote:
catiii wrote:
LNCS0930 wrote:

Unlikely. I think this will cause a percentage of people to not fly. I don’t expect any other carriers will do it


What percentage of the roughly 3% that are flying now will abandon flying? Traffic is down practically 97% YOY. You think a facial covering is going to drive the masses away?


Immediately I don’t think so but 4-5-6 months from now it might. If airlines start seeing advanced bookings go up for the later summer into the holiday season I would be wary about instituting a mask required policy. Jet Blue got a fairly poor response to it on social media yesterday. I think what AA has done is better. Hand them out and I think many will wear it. You make people do it and it’s usually less well received


Most everything I saw on social was positive. Bookings aren't coming back unless customers have confidence they aren't going to get sick, or if they do get sick they aren't going to die. The therapeutic and vaccine will address the latter, and thats at minimum 18 months away. Reducing the risk of transmission, which the mask does, provides more confidence. Time will tell who's right, but no one is anticipating a U shaped recovery by november. if there is then we've won and the pandemic is solved.
 
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Re: JetBlue requiring all customers to cover their face beginning May 4th

Tue Apr 28, 2020 5:59 pm

catiii wrote:
LNCS0930 wrote:
catiii wrote:

What percentage of the roughly 3% that are flying now will abandon flying? Traffic is down practically 97% YOY. You think a facial covering is going to drive the masses away?


Immediately I don’t think so but 4-5-6 months from now it might. If airlines start seeing advanced bookings go up for the later summer into the holiday season I would be wary about instituting a mask required policy. Jet Blue got a fairly poor response to it on social media yesterday. I think what AA has done is better. Hand them out and I think many will wear it. You make people do it and it’s usually less well received


Most everything I saw on social was positive. Bookings aren't coming back unless customers have confidence they aren't going to get sick, or if they do get sick they aren't going to die. The therapeutic and vaccine will address the latter, and thats at minimum 18 months away. Reducing the risk of transmission, which the mask does, provides more confidence. Time will tell who's right, but no one is anticipating a U shaped recovery by november. if there is then we've won and the pandemic is solved.


A vaccine is 18 months away. Therapeutic drugs should be here in the summer. As far as an economic recovery goes, that will probably take 18 months from the time we get this under control.
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Re: JetBlue requiring all customers to cover their face beginning May 4th

Tue Apr 28, 2020 6:05 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
catiii wrote:
LNCS0930 wrote:

Immediately I don’t think so but 4-5-6 months from now it might. If airlines start seeing advanced bookings go up for the later summer into the holiday season I would be wary about instituting a mask required policy. Jet Blue got a fairly poor response to it on social media yesterday. I think what AA has done is better. Hand them out and I think many will wear it. You make people do it and it’s usually less well received


Most everything I saw on social was positive. Bookings aren't coming back unless customers have confidence they aren't going to get sick, or if they do get sick they aren't going to die. The therapeutic and vaccine will address the latter, and thats at minimum 18 months away. Reducing the risk of transmission, which the mask does, provides more confidence. Time will tell who's right, but no one is anticipating a U shaped recovery by november. if there is then we've won and the pandemic is solved.


A vaccine is 18 months away. Therapeutic drugs should be here in the summer. As far as an economic recovery goes, that will probably take 18 months from the time we get this under control.


Therapeutic drugs, and the timeline for them, are a hope, nowhere near a guarantee.
 
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Re: JetBlue requiring all customers to cover their face beginning May 4th

Tue Apr 28, 2020 8:59 pm

Chemist wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
catiii wrote:

Most everything I saw on social was positive. Bookings aren't coming back unless customers have confidence they aren't going to get sick, or if they do get sick they aren't going to die. The therapeutic and vaccine will address the latter, and thats at minimum 18 months away. Reducing the risk of transmission, which the mask does, provides more confidence. Time will tell who's right, but no one is anticipating a U shaped recovery by november. if there is then we've won and the pandemic is solved.


A vaccine is 18 months away. Therapeutic drugs should be here in the summer. As far as an economic recovery goes, that will probably take 18 months from the time we get this under control.


Therapeutic drugs, and the timeline for them, are a hope, nowhere near a guarantee.


Yeah, but given the number on trail (over 100) if even 1% of them were effective, that would give us something. Based on early data, it should be closer to 5% that are effective. Results on the first rounds should be in June. That and the fact we cannot wait for a vaccine to come out to start things up make them our best bet.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Tue Apr 28, 2020 10:20 pm

Couple of quick questions, I was watching COVID-19 coverage this morning and one of the analyst stated, since airlines have drawn down so much capacity, COVID-19 could give rise once again to the road trip here in the U.S. as we get into those summer months with people seeing their car or SUV as a safer option to flying. In their (the analysts) opinion people are not going to "cancel" their summer they are going to get out and there has been data showing more and more Americans are not staying home the deeper into spring we go. Also according to this analyst in certain parts of the country (states with beautiful beach locations and even Las Vegas) hotels and other lodging areas are stating to seeing more people inquiring or actually booking summer travel than there are people canceling. That trend if true does not necessarily mean more people are looking to fly to their destination.

My questions are how will airlines decided when to increase capacity and where to increase capacity? Even as some states reopen what are some key data points airlines are looking at to guide their decision making for their June, July, and August domestic schedules? Can the data be skewed if more people turn to road trips as their means of transportation instead of flying?
 
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Re: JetBlue requiring all customers to cover their face beginning May 4th

Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:58 am

LAXdude1023 wrote:
Chemist wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:

A vaccine is 18 months away. Therapeutic drugs should be here in the summer. As far as an economic recovery goes, that will probably take 18 months from the time we get this under control.


Therapeutic drugs, and the timeline for them, are a hope, nowhere near a guarantee.


Yeah, but given the number on trail (over 100) if even 1% of them were effective, that would give us something. Based on early data, it should be closer to 5% that are effective. Results on the first rounds should be in June. That and the fact we cannot wait for a vaccine to come out to start things up make them our best bet.


I prefer your timeline!
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 29, 2020 6:02 am

I guess for many if it’s a choice between wearing a mask or some other facial covering for a couple of hours on a plane to Florida or 15 hours plus in a vehicle, they’ll choose wearing the mask/facial covering.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:56 am

jayunited wrote:
Couple of quick questions, I was watching COVID-19 coverage this morning and one of the analyst stated, since airlines have drawn down so much capacity, COVID-19 could give rise once again to the road trip here in the U.S. as we get into those summer months with people seeing their car or SUV as a safer option to flying. In their (the analysts) opinion people are not going to "cancel" their summer they are going to get out and there has been data showing more and more Americans are not staying home the deeper into spring we go. Also according to this analyst in certain parts of the country (states with beautiful beach locations and even Las Vegas) hotels and other lodging areas are stating to seeing more people inquiring or actually booking summer travel than there are people canceling. That trend if true does not necessarily mean more people are looking to fly to their destination.

My questions are how will airlines decided when to increase capacity and where to increase capacity? Even as some states reopen what are some key data points airlines are looking at to guide their decision making for their June, July, and August domestic schedules? Can the data be skewed if more people turn to road trips as their means of transportation instead of flying?


Airlines will see their actual bookings increase, if/when they see 50+% of seats filled on a route consistently, they will add flights before raising prices, otherwise their competition swoops in. So they are both watching portal traffic, clicks, and actual reservations.

Trips by car will certainly be an alternate to flying destinations, it seems like car trips are the first to come back. The first trips will be for 2 or 3 nights within a few hours drive, for me going to the coast or the mountains. Things like restaurants, attractions not open, not in a party mood will point to a simpler life for a while. Ocean front condos and hotels are available for rent on a June weekend, normally totally booked. Nice places for $160/night, so 4 hours in the car each way with great scenery, kitchens in the rooms $ 320 for lodging 2 nights $60 in gas, great crab shacks and seafood spots run by locals. A lot of trip for not much. Just flying to Vegas would add $500 and I will be in places that are either ghost town or flat packed. No thank you
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 29, 2020 1:15 pm

I have not read anything about epidemiology and travel that can give practical advice. I suspect studies and followups of people traveling could provide some actual data about what makes flying safer. Masks? Likely exposures and infections suffered while in a plane, etc.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:41 pm

TK extends the suspension of all Domestic and International Flights till May 28th.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:20 pm

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/southwes ... 10279.html
reposting what got posted in the news thread. This is pretty impressive stuff. WN will have enough money even if this near zero revenue environment lasts until Q4 and positive cash flow don't come back until 2022. They are still flying too much right now, but they should have plenty of money around when industry picks up again.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 29, 2020 9:36 pm

United blocked all middle seats until next April. Isn’t this a bit too much?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 29, 2020 10:13 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
United blocked all middle seats until next April. Isn’t this a bit too much?

Highly useful publicity, and could attract extra customers as a result.
Who would say "no thx" to some extra elbow room?

I'm also betting that somewhere in the small print it states that they reserve the right to open up & sell these seats at some future date if the Covid-19 situation improves.

Win-win.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:34 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
United blocked all middle seats until next April. Isn’t this a bit too much?

Is there a link to this? I couldn’t find it on United.com or even by googling it.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:02 am

747d10 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
United blocked all middle seats until next April. Isn’t this a bit too much?

Is there a link to this? I couldn’t find it on United.com or even by googling it.


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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:57 am

VN8 (A350-941 non-ULR) is ferrying HAN-YVZ nonstop.
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This aircraft will fly back to Vietnam as a repatriation flight, carrying 300 pax on YVZ-YVR-HAN.
I am wondering that if VN can hold 300 pax on YVR-HAN nonstop on the A359 original, why would SQ has to use the A359ULR on SIN-SFO?

VN will also operate IAD-ANC-HAN, as well as SFO-HAN as other repatriation flights.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 30, 2020 2:01 am

East Asia air travel may actually rebound quicker than Western air travel due to the history of SARS, which turned out all fine obviously. Furthermore, this pandemic does seem to be mainly a western problem, a lot of these social distancing measure were never implemented in East Asia yet the spread has been far less in Asia than in the West. Even the likes of Taiwan and Singapore didn't do such measures to the extreme.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 30, 2020 2:02 am

747d10 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
United blocked all middle seats until next April. Isn’t this a bit too much?

Is there a link to this? I couldn’t find it on United.com or even by googling it.

It comes as a pop up notification while booking on the UA website. Looks like they are also blocking row 1 in coach as well, Looked at the CRJ and 319 seat maps. Appears they are also blocking B and F in First.

On the 175 blocking row C, front to back.
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Re: JetBlue requiring all customers to cover their face beginning May 4th

Thu Apr 30, 2020 2:03 am

LNCS0930 wrote:
catiii wrote:
LNCS0930 wrote:

Unlikely. I think this will cause a percentage of people to not fly. I don’t expect any other carriers will do it


What percentage of the roughly 3% that are flying now will abandon flying? Traffic is down practically 97% YOY. You think a facial covering is going to drive the masses away?


I think what AA has done is better. Hand them out and I think many will wear it. You make people do it and it’s usually less well received


I wouldn’t be surprised to see AA require masks soon and then charge people an exorbitant price to buy face masks onboard. It will be AA’s new way to nickel and dime the hell out of people in the new Covid-19 world.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 30, 2020 2:23 am

If there's any airport that hasn't been impacted all that much by the pandemic:

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airp ... u/arrivals

Almost looks like a normal day at CJU pre-pandemic sans international arrivals.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 30, 2020 3:18 am

SheikhDjibouti wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
United blocked all middle seats until next April. Isn’t this a bit too much?

Highly useful publicity, and could attract extra customers as a result.
Who would say "no thx" to some extra elbow room?

I'm also betting that somewhere in the small print it states that they reserve the right to open up & sell these seats at some future date if the Covid-19 situation improves.

Win-win.


To be clear, middle seats are blocked from advance seat assignment only; it is not a guarantee that middle seats will be left empty and that they will limit inventory on each flight. If the flight fills up, those middle seats will be used and assigned by gate agents. Several travel blogs have already covered this when they asked the airlines for clarification.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - April 2020

Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:52 am

Antaras wrote:
VN8 (A350-941 non-ULR) is ferrying HAN-YVZ nonstop.
Image
This aircraft will fly back to Vietnam as a repatriation flight, carrying 300 pax on YVZ-YVR-HAN.
I am wondering that if VN can hold 300 pax on YVR-HAN nonstop on the A359 original, why would SQ has to use the A359ULR on SIN-SFO?

VN will also operate IAD-ANC-HAN, as well as SFO-HAN as other repatriation flights.


For your reference:

YVR-HAN stands at 6729nm
CX used to regularly operate the A359 (regular version) between SFO and HKG, which stands at 6927nm
SQ's SFO-SIN is significantly longer than these two routes at 8446nm
 
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Re: JetBlue requiring all customers to cover their face beginning May 4th

Thu Apr 30, 2020 7:38 pm

catiii wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
Chemist wrote:

Therapeutic drugs, and the timeline for them, are a hope, nowhere near a guarantee.


Yeah, but given the number on trail (over 100) if even 1% of them were effective, that would give us something. Based on early data, it should be closer to 5% that are effective. Results on the first rounds should be in June. That and the fact we cannot wait for a vaccine to come out to start things up make them our best bet.


I prefer your timeline!


This could be a game changer if successful. The vaccine has been shown to work in Macaque Monkeys which is the closest immune relation to us:

https://www.businessinsider.com/oxford- ... ute-2020-4
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Re: JetBlue requiring all customers to cover their face beginning May 4th

Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:56 pm

LNCS0930 wrote:
catiii wrote:
Just announced. It will be interesting to see if other carriers follow.

http://otp.investis.com/clients/us/jetb ... wsid=68480


Unlikely. I think this will cause a percentage of people to not fly. I don’t expect any other carriers will do it


oh yeah?

Delta, American first legacy carriers to require passengers to wear masks
By Brianna Gurciullo
04/30/2020 05:43 PM EDT
Delta Air Lines became the first legacy carrier to require passengers to wear face coverings, an announcement quickly followed by American Airlines, as carriers increasingly succumb to pressure from the public and lawmakers to require protective gear for everyone on board.
Delta said today that passengers will have to wear face coverings from check-in through the duration of their flights, though they will be able to remove those coverings during meal service. The requirement begins Monday. Soon after, American announcedthat face coverings will be required for passengers starting May 11.
 
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Re: JetBlue requiring all customers to cover their face beginning May 4th

Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:00 pm

catiii wrote:
LNCS0930 wrote:
catiii wrote:
Just announced. It will be interesting to see if other carriers follow.

http://otp.investis.com/clients/us/jetb ... wsid=68480


Unlikely. I think this will cause a percentage of people to not fly. I don’t expect any other carriers will do it


oh yeah?

Delta, American first legacy carriers to require passengers to wear masks
By Brianna Gurciullo
04/30/2020 05:43 PM EDT
Delta Air Lines became the first legacy carrier to require passengers to wear face coverings, an announcement quickly followed by American Airlines, as carriers increasingly succumb to pressure from the public and lawmakers to require protective gear for everyone on board.
Delta said today that passengers will have to wear face coverings from check-in through the duration of their flights, though they will be able to remove those coverings during meal service. The requirement begins Monday. Soon after, American announcedthat face coverings will be required for passengers starting May 11.


United now too: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/3 ... rus-227454
 
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Re: JetBlue requiring all customers to cover their face beginning May 4th

Fri May 01, 2020 1:03 am

catiii wrote:
LNCS0930 wrote:
catiii wrote:
Just announced. It will be interesting to see if other carriers follow.

http://otp.investis.com/clients/us/jetb ... wsid=68480


Unlikely. I think this will cause a percentage of people to not fly. I don’t expect any other carriers will do it


oh yeah?

Delta, American first legacy carriers to require passengers to wear masks
By Brianna Gurciullo
04/30/2020 05:43 PM EDT
Delta Air Lines became the first legacy carrier to require passengers to wear face coverings, an announcement quickly followed by American Airlines, as carriers increasingly succumb to pressure from the public and lawmakers to require protective gear for everyone on board.
Delta said today that passengers will have to wear face coverings from check-in through the duration of their flights, though they will be able to remove those coverings during meal service. The requirement begins Monday. Soon after, American announcedthat face coverings will be required for passengers starting May 11.


Just stupid, it serves no purpose when everyone is taking them off to eat or drink anyway. I guess I won’t be flying for awhile because I refuse to do this
 
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Re: JetBlue requiring all customers to cover their face beginning May 4th

Fri May 01, 2020 11:55 am

LNCS0930 wrote:
Just stupid, it serves no purpose when everyone is taking them off to eat or drink anyway. I guess I won’t be flying for awhile because I refuse to do this


Completely disagree. Anything that helps to further reduce transmission risk is helpful. The amount of time spent with the mask off for drinks/food is minimal compared to the the rest of the travel time a passenger is required to wear a mask (check-in, going through security, boarding, most of the flight, and then arrival etc.); mandatory masks will help reduce the transmission risk significantly through the bulk of the passenger's travel process.
 
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Re: JetBlue requiring all customers to cover their face beginning May 4th

Fri May 01, 2020 12:06 pm

panamair wrote:
LNCS0930 wrote:
Just stupid, it serves no purpose when everyone is taking them off to eat or drink anyway. I guess I won’t be flying for awhile because I refuse to do this


Completely disagree. Anything that helps to further reduce transmission risk is helpful. The amount of time spent with the mask off for drinks/food is minimal compared to the the rest of the travel time a passenger is required to wear a mask (check-in, going through security, boarding, most of the flight, and then arrival etc.); mandatory masks will help reduce the transmission risk significantly through the bulk of the passenger's travel process.


Not that your point is invalid, but the mask is only required onboard so all of the time spent in the airport is optional.
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Re: JetBlue requiring all customers to cover their face beginning May 4th

Fri May 01, 2020 1:24 pm

alasizon wrote:
panamair wrote:
LNCS0930 wrote:
Just stupid, it serves no purpose when everyone is taking them off to eat or drink anyway. I guess I won’t be flying for awhile because I refuse to do this


Completely disagree. Anything that helps to further reduce transmission risk is helpful. The amount of time spent with the mask off for drinks/food is minimal compared to the the rest of the travel time a passenger is required to wear a mask (check-in, going through security, boarding, most of the flight, and then arrival etc.); mandatory masks will help reduce the transmission risk significantly through the bulk of the passenger's travel process.


Not that your point is invalid, but the mask is only required onboard so all of the time spent in the airport is optional.


Sorry I was referring to Delta’s policy (haven’t read the details of American’s).

https://news.delta.com/facecoverings

“...face coverings will be required starting in the check-in lobby...” - can be found around the middle of the linked article above.
 
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Re: JetBlue requiring all customers to cover their face beginning May 4th

Fri May 01, 2020 1:50 pm

LNCS0930 wrote:
catiii wrote:
LNCS0930 wrote:

Unlikely. I think this will cause a percentage of people to not fly. I don’t expect any other carriers will do it


oh yeah?

Delta, American first legacy carriers to require passengers to wear masks
By Brianna Gurciullo
04/30/2020 05:43 PM EDT
Delta Air Lines became the first legacy carrier to require passengers to wear face coverings, an announcement quickly followed by American Airlines, as carriers increasingly succumb to pressure from the public and lawmakers to require protective gear for everyone on board.
Delta said today that passengers will have to wear face coverings from check-in through the duration of their flights, though they will be able to remove those coverings during meal service. The requirement begins Monday. Soon after, American announcedthat face coverings will be required for passengers starting May 11.


Just stupid, it serves no purpose when everyone is taking them off to eat or drink anyway. I guess I won’t be flying for awhile because I refuse to do this


You refuse to wear a mask??? Why?
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