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hohd wrote:edealinfo: We will table this argument or further discussion. Obviously you don't believe that India is a democracy under this regime. And you believe that Air Asia Malaysia's CEO Tony Fernandes is a paragon of virtue and is clean and no agency in India can be trusted.
trinidadeG wrote:Please can we change the name of this thread to "Vistara discussions"? Thanks.
dtw2hyd wrote:Is it safe to say there is no vistaar(expansion) in Vistara(The Expanse)'s future.
VTORD wrote:trinidadeG wrote:Please can we change the name of this thread to "Vistara discussions"? Thanks.
Feel your pain on this one!
But having said that.... Pretty much! I think they might be able to absorb delivery of 1 more 789 and the first 2 A321s but I would not be surprised to see a few deferrals of orders
Ferrying connecting passengers from BOM would offer very marginal upside since most of the destinations probably already have connectivity to ME3 or SQ.
IMO, more Indians can benefit from code-share arrangements via DEL/BOM/BLR into Tier-II and Tier III cities, than if the government flung open the doors of its two dozen "international airports" in the HOPE that foreign carriers fly in.
trinidadeG wrote:Ferrying connecting passengers from BOM would offer very marginal upside since most of the destinations probably already have connectivity to ME3 or SQ.
Only 11 of 30 domestic destinations currently served by UK from DEL have "connectivity" to ME3 or SQ.
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However, the bigger picture is: India doesn't live clustered around those 20-odd "international airports" which may or may not have "connectivity" to ME3 or SQ.
This nation of 1 Billion accesses the globe via more than a hundred OTHER domestic airports. Not only Vistara, but even LCCs like 6E and SG understand this reality and are trying out arrangements to tap into this vast market, allowing international transit pax to reach every corner of their domestic network via their hubs at DEL/BOM/BLR/MAA/CCU on a single PNR.
They certainly don't seem to be seeing this option of serving customers as a "very marginal upside".
IMO, more Indians can benefit from code-share arrangements via DEL/BOM/BLR into Tier-II and Tier III cities, than if the government flung open the doors of its two dozen "international airports" in the HOPE that foreign carriers fly in.
trinidadeG wrote:
Optimist opinion: I do think that Vistara has some scope to continue taking deliveries as scheduled. Vistara is now the country's only private Full Service Carrier. It is the only Indian partner to offer Premium Economy class to foreign carriers that seek to code-share with an Indian carrier. Surely these things mean something in the Indian transit-pax market?
Vistara can afford to compete with LCCs on the domestic routes by carrying a larger percentage of transiting pax, rather than only flying domestic pax as it does currently. I think those Dream)liners and A321s are needed to help fill seats on UKs domestic FSC network. Ditto for the A321s.
Vistara's single-class and regular A320NEOs could simply be used for an early fleet renewal, to gradually replace their 13 A320CEOs which are 6 years old, instead of expanding the domestic network.
trinidadeG wrote:IMO, Economics trounces Geography when it comes to Aviation, these days. So far as things unfold, it seems that there will always be people who will ignore the Geography lesson and be willing to fly to BDQ/PNQ via DEL, as long as they find it cost-effective.
unnayan wrote:Any idea what Vistara 787 was doing in CCU? Just saw this on FR24
https://www.flightradar24.com/VTI6505/24647fca
VTORD wrote:
For e.g., in May UA has cut all India service and by the tone of Oscar's letter, it seems June also will be the same. I think they (UK) might be able to deploy the Dreamliner for 1 x LON (I don't think VS is coming back as strongly and given their financial position they might lease them a LHR slot) and 1 x SIN route. Japan seems iffy at this point. The BOM - SIN and DXB (provided there is wiggle room in the seat allotment) may go to the A321 as it has the better J product over the A320 or the B737. Their advertised J product on the A321 is a waste on connecting pax domestically IMHO.
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edealinfo wrote:Two SpiceJet lessors in talks to reclaim planes over missed payments - sources
Lessors are willing to take losses as long as they get their aircraft out of India. Everybody remembers the fiasco with Jet Airways when lessors weren't able to re-possess their aircraft immediately for breach of contract. Indians are experts at using the dubious court system to their advantage.
dtw2hyd wrote:No it was pushed to May with the lockdown.Any update on OCI entry ban, initial ban was up to April 15, was it lifted, subject to availability of flights, of course.
What must the network planners be doing currently? Well while airlines are grounded, plans are still afoot to start services in phases and the pick and choose from the network means, trying to fit in the most optimum schedule in the minimum number of aircraft to keep the costs low.
trinidadeG wrote:According to this article, "Geniuses" are working feverishly, trying to keep cost down while planning the phased resumption of services...
Network Planning – a fine blend of Art and ScienceWhat must the network planners be doing currently? Well while airlines are grounded, plans are still afoot to start services in phases and the pick and choose from the network means, trying to fit in the most optimum schedule in the minimum number of aircraft to keep the costs low.
vadodara wrote:
I believe you are referring to some niche flights out of BOM. We were talking about a full service domestic ops out of DEL where Vistara is a feeder for others. Quiet similar to Alaska Air out of SEA.
edealinfo wrote:Opportunity to bid for 100% equity in Air India extended to June 30; to sweeten the deal, buyers asked to only absorb $3.5 B in debt
Welcome to la-la land....
https://www.livemint.com/news/india/gov ... 28536.html