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Re: Ravn Alaska closing its doors?

Sun Apr 05, 2020 8:45 pm

They gone
 
 
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Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:43 pm

Sad day in Alaskan aviation history.
 
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Re: Ravn Alaska closing its doors?

Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:50 pm

The entire Aleutians are effectively cut off from the world. No one in no one out.
 
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Re: Ravn Alaska closing its doors?

Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:54 pm

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The entire Aleutians are effectively cut off from the world. No one in no one out.


Well, except for ADK.

I wonder if AS will try and do anything for DUT in the medium term or just throw in the towel. Seems like a Q400 could get in there but I recall reading somewhere there was a wingspan issue with the ramp. Who knows.
 
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Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:05 pm

Chugach wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
The entire Aleutians are effectively cut off from the world. No one in no one out.


Well, except for ADK.

I wonder if AS will try and do anything for DUT in the medium term or just throw in the towel. Seems like a Q400 could get in there but I recall reading somewhere there was a wingspan issue with the ramp. Who knows.

No way they put a q400 into dut. But AKN/DLG triangle could work. Also none of these places have year round TSA or in some cases TSA at all.
 
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Re: Ravn Alaska closing its doors?

Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:09 pm

ANC-DUT is a rather essential service, so much local hardship when AS codeshare with Penair pulled out and Ravn put the DH8 on it, was already super underserved. The runway is rather short.
 
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Re: Ravn Alaska closing its doors?

Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:14 pm

a weight restricted E175 would make it... she's got the brakes for landing and the wing/engines to get her off the ground. Mid Atlantic/USAirways mastered Key West very quickly with the E170s back in 2006.... DUT is only 300 feet shorter than EYW.
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Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:14 pm

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ANC-DUT is a rather essential service, so much local hardship when AS codeshare with Penair pulled out and Ravn put the DH8 on it, was already super underserved. The runway is rather short.

Ace air will probably take it. As much as they can under their certificate
 
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Re: Ravn Alaska closing its doors?

Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:18 pm

32andBelow wrote:
Chugach wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
The entire Aleutians are effectively cut off from the world. No one in no one out.


Well, except for ADK.

I wonder if AS will try and do anything for DUT in the medium term or just throw in the towel. Seems like a Q400 could get in there but I recall reading somewhere there was a wingspan issue with the ramp. Who knows.

No way they put a q400 into dut. But AKN/DLG triangle could work. Also none of these places have year round TSA or in some cases TSA at all.


I think for ADK the TSA flies in on the AS flight to do the screening. Could be wrong though.

But, hypothetically something like that could work for CDB; Cold Bay and its runway are a pretty easy Caravan flight from DUT. Of course that would require AS to serve CDB, and they aren’t exactly in a growth mode at the moment. Not to mention getting the TSA screening equipment to CDB.

Honestly this day has been a long time coming for DUT. It’ll be interesting to see how it plays out.
 
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Re: Ravn Alaska closing its doors?

Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:19 pm

32andBelow wrote:
Chugach wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
The entire Aleutians are effectively cut off from the world. No one in no one out.


Well, except for ADK.

I wonder if AS will try and do anything for DUT in the medium term or just throw in the towel. Seems like a Q400 could get in there but I recall reading somewhere there was a wingspan issue with the ramp. Who knows.

No way they put a q400 into dut. But AKN/DLG triangle could work. Also none of these places have year round TSA or in some cases TSA at all.


Well since Ravn used nonsecure gates at ANC so I guess TSA not really necessary.
What about Grant Aviation out in the locales there, but still unable to connect to ANC from Aleutian stations.
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Re: Ravn Alaska closing its doors?

Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:22 pm

sprxUSA wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Chugach wrote:

Well, except for ADK.

I wonder if AS will try and do anything for DUT in the medium term or just throw in the towel. Seems like a Q400 could get in there but I recall reading somewhere there was a wingspan issue with the ramp. Who knows.

No way they put a q400 into dut. But AKN/DLG triangle could work. Also none of these places have year round TSA or in some cases TSA at all.


Well since Ravn used nonsecure gates at ANC so I guess TSA not really necessary.
What about Grant Aviation out in the locales there, but still unable to connect to ANC from Aleutian stations.


Ravn’s operating certificate allowed them to use non-secure facilities. Same with Grant. AS, not so much.
 
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Re: Ravn Alaska closing its doors?

Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:34 pm

Chugach wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Chugach wrote:

Well, except for ADK.

I wonder if AS will try and do anything for DUT in the medium term or just throw in the towel. Seems like a Q400 could get in there but I recall reading somewhere there was a wingspan issue with the ramp. Who knows.

No way they put a q400 into dut. But AKN/DLG triangle could work. Also none of these places have year round TSA or in some cases TSA at all.


I think for ADK the TSA flies in on the AS flight to do the screening. Could be wrong though.

But, hypothetically something like that could work for CDB; Cold Bay and its runway are a pretty easy Caravan flight from DUT. Of course that would require AS to serve CDB, and they aren’t exactly in a growth mode at the moment. Not to mention getting the TSA screening equipment to CDB.

Honestly this day has been a long time coming for DUT. It’ll be interesting to see how it plays out.

I’ve AS cared about these routes they can just cpa RAVN it PENAIR to fly them and it solves both problems.
 
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Re: Ravn Alaska closing its doors?

Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:40 pm

Truly sad news for the arctic region.

I must say however I cant see the 175's being much worse than the CR9 in -40. I can't count the times this winter they went MX.

While we do hate the Q in the arctic, a combi is an interesting idea. We already have many ATR variants including combi's here in Northern Canada. I wonder how they compete in this scenario?

How many gravel strips are still commercially used in AK?
 
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Sun Apr 05, 2020 10:57 pm

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How many gravel strips are still commercially used in AK?


None. All the hub communities are paved.

ENA is in the middle of a terminal remodel, too. That’s going to be a big building to handle Caravans on Grant Aviation.
 
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Re: Ravn Alaska closing its doors?

Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:03 pm

32andBelow wrote:
Chugach wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
No way they put a q400 into dut. But AKN/DLG triangle could work. Also none of these places have year round TSA or in some cases TSA at all.


I think for ADK the TSA flies in on the AS flight to do the screening. Could be wrong though.

But, hypothetically something like that could work for CDB; Cold Bay and its runway are a pretty easy Caravan flight from DUT. Of course that would require AS to serve CDB, and they aren’t exactly in a growth mode at the moment. Not to mention getting the TSA screening equipment to CDB.

Honestly this day has been a long time coming for DUT. It’ll be interesting to see how it plays out.

I’ve AS cared about these routes they can just cpa RAVN it PENAIR to fly them and it solves both problems.


Ravn ceasing operations definitely leaves a few holes within Alaska for AS. All the talk has been around DUT, but AKN/DLG and ENA/HOM/VDZ are holes too. Once all the dust settles we will see how interested AS is in intra-Alaska flying.
 
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Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:11 pm

usxguy wrote:
a weight restricted E175 would make it... she's got the brakes for landing and the wing/engines to get her off the ground. Mid Atlantic/USAirways mastered Key West very quickly with the E170s back in 2006.... DUT is only 300 feet shorter than EYW.


Yep, E175 can work there just like it does at HHH.
 
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Re: Ravn Alaska closing its doors?

Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:29 pm

32andBelow wrote:
No way they put a q400 into dut. But AKN/DLG triangle could work.

AS used to run a 737-200 Combi into DUT. Is the Q400 less capable at DUT then the -200 was?
 
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Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:44 pm

Lootess wrote:
usxguy wrote:
a weight restricted E175 would make it... she's got the brakes for landing and the wing/engines to get her off the ground. Mid Atlantic/USAirways mastered Key West very quickly with the E170s back in 2006.... DUT is only 300 feet shorter than EYW.


Yep, E175 can work there just like it does at HHH.

I didn’t realize key west and Hilton head have contaminated runway that is covered in ice half the year.
 
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Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:45 pm

NameOmitted wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
No way they put a q400 into dut. But AKN/DLG triangle could work.

AS used to run a 737-200 Combi into DUT. Is the Q400 less capable at DUT then the -200 was?

That was the cowboy days. The rules are different now. You couldn’t fly q400 but you’d have to block seats. The sb20 was really the perfect aircraft.
 
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Re: Ravn Alaska closing its doors?

Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:13 am

Well zENA still has Grant service, so it's ok.
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Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:22 am

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Well zENA still has Grant service, so it's ok.

And a road
 
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Re: Ravn Alaska closing its doors?

Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:26 am

32andBelow wrote:
Lootess wrote:
usxguy wrote:
a weight restricted E175 would make it... she's got the brakes for landing and the wing/engines to get her off the ground. Mid Atlantic/USAirways mastered Key West very quickly with the E170s back in 2006.... DUT is only 300 feet shorter than EYW.


Yep, E175 can work there just like it does at HHH.

I didn’t realize key west and Hilton head have contaminated runway that is covered in ice half the year.


No ILS... heavy crosswinds. Gets wet quite a bit. Its quite the capable bird, even on contaminated surfaces.
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Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:34 am

usxguy wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Lootess wrote:

Yep, E175 can work there just like it does at HHH.

I didn’t realize key west and Hilton head have contaminated runway that is covered in ice half the year.


No ILS... heavy crosswinds. Gets wet quite a bit. Its quite the capable bird, even on contaminated surfaces.

It’s just comical to compare key west to dut. Dut high terrain on 3 sides. Missed approach point is where you can’t even see the airport. If you land on one side you have to proceed visually around a mountain (the back door). Certainly no ILS
 
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Re: Ravn Alaska closing its doors?

Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:41 am

I understand that I am speaking in hypotheticals here since no one is in the position to be talking takeovers right now, but if AS were to purchase Ravn, would that work as a poison pill against someone trying to acquire AS since everything Ravn flys would fall under the scope clause that AS does not have?
 
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Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:23 am

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I understand that I am speaking in hypotheticals here since no one is in the position to be talking takeovers right now, but if AS were to purchase Ravn, would that work as a poison pill against someone trying to acquire AS since everything Ravn flys would fall under the scope clause that AS does not have?

Alaska could have got way more involved with Penair who they had a way closer relationship with but chose not to. They aren’t interested.
 
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Re: Ravn Alaska closing its doors?

Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:36 am

Think Bob H & Danny S will make peace & do a joint bid to get their airline(s) back?
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Re: Ravn Alaska closing its doors?

Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:14 pm

The company has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy.
https://cases.stretto.com/public/X065/10215/PLEADINGS/1021504062080000000018.pdf
It is looking to reject leases on 6 SAAB 2000s, 1 Dash-8 and 2 Grand Caravans.
 
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Re: Ravn Alaska closing its doors?

Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:33 pm

CHOWahoo wrote:
The company has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy.
https://cases.stretto.com/public/X065/10215/PLEADINGS/1021504062080000000018.pdf
It is looking to reject leases on 6 SAAB 2000s, 1 Dash-8 and 2 Grand Caravans.


Thanks for pointing to that. I was looking at the posts 11 hours upthread wondering why they had ceased ops without a Ch 11 or Ch 7 filing.
 
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Re: Ravn Alaska closing its doors?

Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:34 pm

They're planning to restructure as opposed to liquidate. So to the extent they're able to fund that plan, I wouldn't write them off just yet though clearly if they are able to emerge they will be much more limited in size and scope.
 
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Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:20 pm

Suspending ops without either filing would have been perverse. That's a free-for-all.

Chapter 11s need funding sources. Chapter 11s without adequate funding go Chapter 7 liquidation. See the fairly recent Island Air 11 to 7 filing. https://www.kitv.com/story/36833458/isl ... iquidation

In the Chapter 11 filing you cited:

The Debtors were unable to identify an investor or lender that would provide the
financing necessary for the Debtors to continue operations, either as a chapter 11 debtor-inpossession or outside of bankruptcy, other than the DIP Secured Parties and the DIP Financing.
Therefore, the Debtors determined that it was in the best interests of the Debtors’ estates,
creditors, and other parties-in-interest to agree to the DIP Financing and file these Chapter 11
Cases.
 
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Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:32 pm

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Suspending ops without either filing would have been perverse. That's a free-for-all.

Chapter 11s need funding sources. Chapter 11s without adequate funding go Chapter 7 liquidation. See the fairly recent Island Air 11 to 7 filing. https://www.kitv.com/story/36833458/isl ... iquidation

In the Chapter 11 filing you cited:

The Debtors were unable to identify an investor or lender that would provide the
financing necessary for the Debtors to continue operations, either as a chapter 11 debtor-inpossession or outside of bankruptcy, other than the DIP Secured Parties and the DIP Financing.
Therefore, the Debtors determined that it was in the best interests of the Debtors’ estates,
creditors, and other parties-in-interest to agree to the DIP Financing and file these Chapter 11
Cases.

The funding source they are looking for is government assistance.
 
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Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:28 pm

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They would have stayed if they were reliable. They would have expanded even. It really makes no sense they haven’t moved e175s to AK for routes like ADK. You could rotate them through southeast or fai/sea and they wouldn’t be orphaned.


The reliability was the other issue. They had three planes with limited capability for maintenance without flying them empty back to PDX.

I too am a bit surprised the 175’s haven’t found their way north. They can’t replace the cargo capacity of the 737’s but they can provide some extra lift in the summer and also give them the capability to try some off the wall routes like, for example, PDX-JNU or SEA-ADQ, or bring back stuff like PDX-FAI or GEG-ANC.

e175s are not certified to operate when the ground temperature is -40 or colder, they would be fine in ANC and SE, but not practical in FAI. Maybe they could be used for added frequency in the summer?

It is bad enough when you get a plane stuck a thousand miles away from a maint base, as it is. I cannot imagine how difficult it would be, and the resources you would have to spend, on something like an engine change on the ramp at Dutch, or someplace equally remote, from a state-side base.
 
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Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:57 pm

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Re: Ravn Alaska closing its doors?

Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:04 pm

It would seem to me that if ever there was a community that required essential air service it would be Dutch Harbor.
 
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Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:03 pm

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It would seem to me that if ever there was a community that required essential air service it would be Dutch Harbor.

Dutch harbor doesn’t need essential air service. It made enough money that Alaska airlines was purchasing 100 seats a day each way from Penair. It’s a huge market. In fact it’s the hub community for the EAS routes of Nikolai, ATKA and others.

I wonder if the judge is just going to convert them to chapter 7 immediately.
 
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Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:10 pm

32andBelow wrote:
mcg wrote:
It would seem to me that if ever there was a community that required essential air service it would be Dutch Harbor.

Dutch harbor doesn’t need essential air service. It made enough money that Alaska airlines was purchasing 100 seats a day each way from Penair. It’s a huge market. In fact it’s the hub community for the EAS routes of Nikolai, ATKA and others.

I wonder if the judge is just going to convert them to chapter 7 immediately.

Nikolski. Nikolai is east of McGrath.
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Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:24 pm

sprxUSA wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
mcg wrote:
It would seem to me that if ever there was a community that required essential air service it would be Dutch Harbor.

Dutch harbor doesn’t need essential air service. It made enough money that Alaska airlines was purchasing 100 seats a day each way from Penair. It’s a huge market. In fact it’s the hub community for the EAS routes of Nikolai, ATKA and others.

I wonder if the judge is just going to convert them to chapter 7 immediately.

Nikolski. Nikolai is east of McGrath.

Yah that’s the one
 
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Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:31 pm

Alaska travelgram guy is claiming AS is starting AKN/DLG early and starting ANCCDB and will be transferring dut passengers to grant
 
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Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:32 pm

sprxUSA wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
mcg wrote:
It would seem to me that if ever there was a community that required essential air service it would be Dutch Harbor.

Dutch harbor doesn’t need essential air service. It made enough money that Alaska airlines was purchasing 100 seats a day each way from Penair. It’s a huge market. In fact it’s the hub community for the EAS routes of Nikolai, ATKA and others.

I wonder if the judge is just going to convert them to chapter 7 immediately.

Nikolski. Nikolai is east of McGrath.


Not to be confused with Nikiski which is north of Kenai.
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Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:22 pm

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Alaska travelgram guy is claiming AS is starting AKN/DLG early and starting ANCCDB and will be transferring dut passengers to grant


Called it! Not that I actually thought it would happen. Good on AS for stepping up.
 
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Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:26 pm

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32andBelow wrote:
Alaska travelgram guy is claiming AS is starting AKN/DLG early and starting ANCCDB and will be transferring dut passengers to grant


Called it! Not that I actually thought it would happen. Good on AS for stepping up.

They probably just ended ravns whole career. They done. “They are assessing other markets ravn has left”. I bet they for sure bring e175s up now.
 
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Re: Ravn Alaska closing its doors?

Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:28 pm

Here is coverage from KTUU about what AS is up to

https://www.ktuu.com/content/news/Alask ... 15851.html
 
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Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:35 pm

Penair is who ran the AS stations in AKN and DLG. AS would have to go 2-3X daily in the summer to AKN to cover the normal seafood movements. Penair was going up to 12 times a day in June.
 
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Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:23 am

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They probably just ended ravns whole career. They done. “They are assessing other markets ravn has left”. I bet they for sure bring e175s up now.

That would be one way of addressing QX's current probable overcapacity in the PacNW.
 
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They probably just ended ravns whole career. They done. “They are assessing other markets ravn has left”. I bet they for sure bring e175s up now.

That would be one way of addressing QX's current probable overcapacity in the PacNW.

E175s would work to HOM/ENA. There’s enough traffic
 
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Tue Apr 07, 2020 1:18 am

Hopefully Congress now sees how invaluable Ravn is to Alaska...they're the airline in need of a bailout, or someone needs to have a plan to adequately serve the state. Grant Aviation is now the largest airline serving DUT. The runway is 4500 feet in Unalaska, meaning the DH8D is the biggest plane that could serve it.
 
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Tue Apr 07, 2020 1:48 am

And for today's episode of As The Prop Spins...

"North Slope Borough mayor signs order seizing Ravn’s North Slope assets
APRIL 6, 2020 BY JEFF LANDFIELD
The Alaska Landmine has obtained an emergency order, signed by North Slope Borough Mayor Harry Brower, that orders the seizure of all RavnAir assets located on the North Slope. The order can be seen here:"

https://alaskalandmine.com/landmines/no ... pe-assets/
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Tue Apr 07, 2020 1:59 am

https://www.alaskapublic.org/2020/04/06 ... pe-assets/

This thing is getting so weird. I’m thinking more that ravn will never fly again.
 
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Re: Ravn Alaska closing its doors?

Tue Apr 07, 2020 3:10 am

I really know very little about Alaska, but I understand many communities depend on air transport for everything from medical care to mail to fuel in some cases.

Is there any option in the emergency for military/national guard air assets to be used for communities with no service.

No one is making any money of passenger traffic right now. Story in Dallas today that max load on AA from NYC one recent day was 27 pax. Can't even pay the crew with that small load.

I'm sure loads are as low on a comparative basis in Alaska.
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