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blueflyer
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Re: Five BA 747s to Teruel today

Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:38 pm

Opus99 wrote:
6 BA A380s going to France for Storage
https://twitter.com/AlexInAir/status/12 ... 16708?s=20

CHR is an interesting choice. It is well known to BA as they use it for cockpit crew training (along with many other airlines), and Dale Aviation is onsite to support aircraft storage and parking. Airbus sent over Hainan NTUs. But Dale and two other companies at the airport have the capacity to dismantle an A380 if they're asked to... It is home to France's largest dedicated aircraft recycling platform after all.

bennett123 wrote:
Does anyone know how long an aircraft can be parked before needing a D Check before RTS, or is it not that simple.

it depends. If an aircraft is truly parked, its engines are fired up at least once a month, the wheels are turned at least a quarter of the way every other week, etc. There are a number of activities to keep the aircraft mostly flight ready. At the same time, since the aircraft is not flying, the clock to the next maintenance check slows down (but doesn't stop).

If an aircraft is stored on the other end, the clock virtually stops, but extensive steps need to be taken both to store the aircraft, such as sealing all openings and draining all hydraulics, and to return the aircraft to service.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:21 pm

Not sure if it’s been mentioned, but the 5 747’s that are heading to france have actually been retired.
 
BA777FO
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:31 pm

Last I heard the number of 747s to be returned to service eventually will be ~13. Depends on how swift the recovery is. The A350, B787-10s 77Ws due for delivery this year are still going ahead, albeit possibly delayed due to Boeing factory shutdowns.
 
shamrock321
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:38 pm

Arion640 wrote:
Not sure if it’s been mentioned, but the 5 747’s that are heading to france have actually been retired.


Are you referring to the 5 that went to Teruel last week? Teruel is in Spain and not in France.
 
Ishrion
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:48 pm

According to this, the 5 that were sent to Teruel will be scrapped

https://ukaviation.news/british-airways ... umbo-jets/
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jomur
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:23 pm

Has anyone actually seen any press release officially from BA stating that those 5 have been retired. You would have thought BA would have brought forward the ones due to be retired this year and early next year firs. Also BA uses St Albans to scrap their aircraft.
 
skipness1E
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:27 pm

It’s St Athan not St Albans, and not exclusively as Victorville was the favoured place beforehand. Not sure a press release is ever done as you suggest, but in all fairness, the summer 2020 program is trashed, the quads won’t be needed for winter and next summer will be a challenge.
But no one knows how much of a collapse we are looking at until we’re all out of lockdown.

As for the order of retirements, the High J B744s may never be needed again! Business travel will rebound but it will take years to get back to where we were, so the Low J may be needed more.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:37 pm

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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:54 pm

Given that these are unusual circumstances, not business as usual, would airports, which are largely public, still be charging parking fees to the airlines? Otherwise it's like I'm telling passengers to not fly but oh you still have to pay to park your planes here.
 
Speedbird96
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:02 pm

Ishrion wrote:
According to this, the 5 that were sent to Teruel will be scrapped

https://ukaviation.news/british-airways ... umbo-jets/


There seems to be a lot of contradictory information in regards to the status of G-CIVA/R/S/T/X, with reliable sources such as BA Fleet on Flyertalk (which have not listed them as being retired) and Jethros stating they are only at Teruel for storage, not specifically withdrawn from use; whilst BA Source have suggested they are in long-term storage.

As mentioned by others with regards to COVID-19; the retirement plan for British Airways has now gone completely out of the window with the last remaining 2 772As (G-ZZZA/B) now officially withdrawn from service. G-CIVM, which was initially earmarked for withdrawal in January 2021 was withdrawn in March 2020 and now resides at RAF St. Athan.

Prior to all this, the 5 Boeing 747-400s that were due to be withdrawn this year were G-CIVD/H/I/J/L, of which G-CIVH/I are configured in Super Hi-J configuration whilst G-CIVD/J/L are Mid-J configured only featuring a light refurbishment of new seat covers only.

Of note, G-CIVA/R/S/T/X were not listed for withdrawal with their earliest retirement dates being 2023. Even more interesting is that G-CIVA/T have fairly recently received full interior refurbishment with new seat covers and Panasonic eX3 entertainment systems.

Its looking likely that those earmarked for withdrawal this year and 2021 could have their retirement further accelerated, and its not unknown for British Airways to bring back aircraft back from long-term storage if demand does happen to pick back up. This is pure speculation on my part by the way...

I do agree with others that the Super Hi-J examples do look far more likely to have their retirement accelerated, not least because of business travel will take a long time to recover, but also British Airways does plan on their refurbished 772s and 77Ws replacing 744s on a large portion of flights, notably JFK.
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Arion640
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:04 pm

shamrock321 wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
Not sure if it’s been mentioned, but the 5 747’s that are heading to france have actually been retired.


Are you referring to the 5 that went to Teruel last week? Teruel is in Spain and not in France.


Sorry, Teurel. Getting myself confused with CHX. There is an article circulating on Facebook that these had been retired. Although others have said this is just for storage.
 
Arion640
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:11 pm

skipness1E wrote:
It’s St Athan not St Albans, and not exclusively as Victorville was the favoured place beforehand. Not sure a press release is ever done as you suggest, but in all fairness, the summer 2020 program is trashed, the quads won’t be needed for winter and next summer will be a challenge.
But no one knows how much of a collapse we are looking at until we’re all out of lockdown.

As for the order of retirements, the High J B744s may never be needed again! Business travel will rebound but it will take years to get back to where we were, so the Low J may be needed more.


How easy would it be to swap the newer high j birds with the mid j interior?

Or with the cost of doing this, it might just be easier to carry on flying the current aircraft.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:16 pm

To add to Speedbird96's post, there are current 5 747s left which haven’t had the full refurbishment (they still have the old Rockwell IFE), which are G-CIVD/J/K/L/N. These are all still at LHR and only one has flown in the past week (VJ). My suspicion is those 747s in BOH and TEV are temporarily stored, extending their life slightly (if needs be), and these 5 at LHR will get retired as soon as traffic starts picking up ('replaced' with stored examples). All speculation of course though!
 
Speedbird96
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Mon Apr 06, 2020 5:37 pm

Arion640 wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
It’s St Athan not St Albans, and not exclusively as Victorville was the favoured place beforehand. Not sure a press release is ever done as you suggest, but in all fairness, the summer 2020 program is trashed, the quads won’t be needed for winter and next summer will be a challenge.
But no one knows how much of a collapse we are looking at until we’re all out of lockdown.

As for the order of retirements, the High J B744s may never be needed again! Business travel will rebound but it will take years to get back to where we were, so the Low J may be needed more.


How easy would it be to swap the newer high j birds with the mid j interior?

Or with the cost of doing this, it might just be easier to carry on flying the current aircraft.


It's not unheard of... During the Super Hi-J refurbishment, 6 former Hi-J 744s (G-BNLK/N/O/P, CIVM/O) were reconfigured to Mid-J specification by donating their Club World seats over to the 18 Super Hi-J examples. However, given what is happening, it would be much easier and cost effective to replace the Super Hi-J 744s that are up for withdrawal with 77Ws and the Mid-J 744s with new A35Ks.
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Scotron12
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:08 pm

Maybe the rumor a few weeks ago on BA loading MEL airport data to their A350s is true, in that the only long haul flying are to be done with the 777s and 350s.

Bung an F cabin on the A350 and you're good to go!
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:25 pm

http://www.southwalesaviationgroup.co.u ... athan.html

G-BNLN has now been scrapped at St Athan.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:32 pm

Scotron12 wrote:
Maybe the rumor a few weeks ago on BA loading MEL airport data to their A350s is true, in that the only long haul flying are to be done with the 777s and 350s.

Bung an F cabin on the A350 and you're good to go!

I’m convinced the 77E replacement will probably be the A35K. I had the 779 in there as well but I’m not sure following covid 19. But if you put in a first on the A35K it should just come under 300 seats. It allows capacity growth with slot constraints. But you may not have those constraints post covid-19 especially if virgin doesn’t make it
 
ILNFlyer
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Mon Apr 06, 2020 6:37 pm

This even has certainly advanced the planned retirements by quite a bit.
 
jomur
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:13 pm

skipness1E wrote:
It’s St Athan not St Albans, .....


Yeh II knew that but auto-correct got in the way..
 
Danhill1905
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:40 pm

Scotron12 wrote:
Maybe the rumor a few weeks ago on BA loading MEL airport data to their A350s is true, in that the only long haul flying are to be done with the 777s and 350s.

Bung an F cabin on the A350 and you're good to go!



As far as I’m aware, all long haul flying will be done with the 772’s, 773’s, 788’s, 789’s and the A350-1000. The only route being operated by something different is LHR - DFW with a 744.

As a side note, 90% of all short haul routes being operated by NEO’s (A320 & A321) and A320’s with winglets with the odd A319 routing added in like Aberdeen and Düsseldorf.
 
Scotron12
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:06 pm

Danhill1905 wrote:
Scotron12 wrote:
Maybe the rumor a few weeks ago on BA loading MEL airport data to their A350s is true, in that the only long haul flying are to be done with the 777s and 350s.

Bung an F cabin on the A350 and you're good to go!



As far as I’m aware, all long haul flying will be done with the 772’s, 773’s, 788’s, 789’s and the A350-1000. The only route being operated by something different is LHR - DFW with a 744.

As a side note, 90% of all short haul routes being operated by NEO’s (A320 & A321) and A320’s with winglets with the odd A319 routing added in like Aberdeen and Düsseldorf.


My bad...very. Totally forgot their 787s....wonder if they will take all 12 of the 787-10s they have on order???
 
Danhill1905
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:04 pm

Scotron12 wrote:
Danhill1905 wrote:
Scotron12 wrote:
Maybe the rumor a few weeks ago on BA loading MEL airport data to their A350s is true, in that the only long haul flying are to be done with the 777s and 350s.

Bung an F cabin on the A350 and you're good to go!



As far as I’m aware, all long haul flying will be done with the 772’s, 773’s, 788’s, 789’s and the A350-1000. The only route being operated by something different is LHR - DFW with a 744.

As a side note, 90% of all short haul routes being operated by NEO’s (A320 & A321) and A320’s with winglets with the odd A319 routing added in like Aberdeen and Düsseldorf.


My bad...very. Totally forgot their 787s....wonder if they will take all 12 of the 787-10s they have on order???


I assume they would just for the fuel saving that’s involved
 
Scotron12
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Tue Apr 07, 2020 5:29 am

Danhill1905 wrote:
Scotron12 wrote:
Danhill1905 wrote:


As far as I’m aware, all long haul flying will be done with the 772’s, 773’s, 788’s, 789’s and the A350-1000. The only route being operated by something different is LHR - DFW with a 744.

As a side note, 90% of all short haul routes being operated by NEO’s (A320 & A321) and A320’s with winglets with the odd A319 routing added in like Aberdeen and Düsseldorf.


My bad...very. Totally forgot their 787s....wonder if they will take all 12 of the 787-10s they have on order???


I assume they would just for the fuel saving that’s involved


Issue is now mute seeing as Boeing has ceased 787 production in Charleston for the foreseeable future!
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:06 am

Scotron12 wrote:
Bung an F cabin on the A350 and you're good to go!


As is the plan with future A350s already ordered...
 
Opus99
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:26 am

jomur wrote:
Scotron12 wrote:
Bung an F cabin on the A350 and you're good to go!


As is the plan with future A350s already ordered...

None of the current A350s on order are to receive first class.
 
TUGMASTER
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:25 am

2 more BA 380’s due into CHR today.
G-XLEJ & G-XLEL...
 
BealineV953
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Re: Five BA 747s to Teruel today

Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:24 pm

BealineV953 wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
BealineV953 wrote:
G-CIVD - May 2020
G-CIVH - Jun 2020
G-CIVJ - Jun 2020
G-CIVI - Oct 2020
G-CIVL - Nov 2020
G-CIVK - Jan 2021
G-CIVN - Feb 2021
My guess is that if the 747 fleet is to be reduced, it will be some or all of those will be retired earlier than planned.


I know there are some BA pilots on this forum, who might be able to post their knowledge to cover these topics.


Is there anyone out there from BA Network Development, Operations Planning or Ops Control that can give us a clue as to whether the 747s at Teruel will return to service?


G-CIVL flew to Kemble today.
I'm hearing that IVH, IVJ, IVK and IVN will go to Kemble later this week.

From ‘Flyertalk’ the planned dates of the next 747 retirements were (all subject to change):
G-CIVD - May 2020
G-CIVH - Jun 2020
G-CIVJ - Jun 2020
G-CIVI - Oct 2020
G-CIVL - Nov 2020
G-CIVK - Jan 2021
G-CIVN - Feb 2021
G-CIVF - Jun 2021
G-CIVB - 2022
G-CIVC - Nov 2022
G-CIVE - Nov 2022
G-BYGC - 2023
G-BNLY - 2023

As above, IVH, IVJ, IVK, IVL & IVN all had planned retirement dates in the not too distant future.
Also, as in an earlier post, IVJ, IVK, IVL & IVN have not had the full cabin refurbishment.
My guess is that this five are unlikely to return to service.

A quick reminder, the plan was for all 747s to be retired by February 2024, with the following numbers of 747s in the fleet at year end:
• 2020: 25 aircraft
• 2021: 20 aircraft
• 2022: 12 aircraft
• 2023: 3 aircraft
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Tue Apr 14, 2020 6:46 pm

Opus99 wrote:
jomur wrote:
Scotron12 wrote:
Bung an F cabin on the A350 and you're good to go!


As is the plan with future A350s already ordered...

None of the current A350s on order are to receive first class.


It’s amazing that no matter how many times BA have said there is no first class on any of the 18 firm orders, there’s still people here who think the later ones are getting the cabin. Maybe the options if they’re ever taken up, but not the 18 firm.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:15 pm

RexBanner wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
jomur wrote:

As is the plan with future A350s already ordered...

None of the current A350s on order are to receive first class.


It’s amazing that no matter how many times BA have said there is no first class on any of the 18 firm orders, there’s still people here who think the later ones are getting the cabin. Maybe the options if they’re ever taken up, but not the 18 firm.


I think only in response to BA parking so many of their 744s and A380s, so all they have in longhaul are their 777s...787s and 350s.

But, if that is sacred ground not to offer an F cabin on their 18 firm A350s, sobeit.
 
fcogafa
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:18 pm

5 x B744s reported to be going to Kemble this week for obliteration.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:33 pm

RexBanner wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
jomur wrote:

As is the plan with future A350s already ordered...

None of the current A350s on order are to receive first class.


It’s amazing that no matter how many times BA have said there is no first class on any of the 18 firm orders, there’s still people here who think the later ones are getting the cabin. Maybe the options if they’re ever taken up, but not the 18 firm.


For years now BA has had way too much First Class because they never reconfigured their airplanes to reduce or totally remove it. The typical 777, 744,and A380 have 14 First Seats, which is double, the 8 seats they should have had. Was it so painful to take 6 seats out of each 777 and increase Club World. Another long delayed thing is the new CW, finally it arrived in 2019 and now besides the A350-1000 there are a few 777-200ER with 8 First Seats and new Club.

The two are linked, the new CW bring Business Class very close to the current First Class. As the 747 go away much of the current First will disappear, as sad as I am to see it go it is a very 1990's product with a mild refresh a few years back. I live in Miami and MIA doesn't need three BA 744 flights daily with First Class, an A350 and its 56 J class Club Suites would be a fine replacement.

When BA does bring a new First I hope it is impressive like most First Class products are now, while BA will never be Emirates SWISS First would be a good place to be.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:09 pm

https://twitter.com/AirportWebcams/stat ... 9203107840

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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:47 pm

Danhill1905 wrote:
Scotron12 wrote:
Maybe the rumor a few weeks ago on BA loading MEL airport data to their A350s is true, in that the only long haul flying are to be done with the 777s and 350s.

Bung an F cabin on the A350 and you're good to go!



As far as I’m aware, all long haul flying will be done with the 772’s, 773’s, 788’s, 789’s and the A350-1000. The only route being operated by something different is LHR - DFW with a 744.

As a side note, 90% of all short haul routes being operated by NEO’s (A320 & A321) and A320’s with winglets with the odd A319 routing added in like Aberdeen and Düsseldorf.


Are there any plans to bring back the A318 service on LCY-SNN-JFK-LCY ? I was hoping to take that flight (originally this month, but delayed until later because of the COVID-19 stuff).
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:50 pm

StlHsvSfoSan wrote:
Danhill1905 wrote:
Scotron12 wrote:
Maybe the rumor a few weeks ago on BA loading MEL airport data to their A350s is true, in that the only long haul flying are to be done with the 777s and 350s.

Bung an F cabin on the A350 and you're good to go!



As far as I’m aware, all long haul flying will be done with the 772’s, 773’s, 788’s, 789’s and the A350-1000. The only route being operated by something different is LHR - DFW with a 744.

As a side note, 90% of all short haul routes being operated by NEO’s (A320 & A321) and A320’s with winglets with the odd A319 routing added in like Aberdeen and Düsseldorf.


Are there any plans to bring back the A318 service on LCY-SNN-JFK-LCY ? I was hoping to take that flight (originally this month, but delayed until later because of the COVID-19 stuff).


It’s in the schedules for Oct onwards. Whether it actually happens is another story
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:09 am

A BA 747 has just gone into Kemble, low & slow all the way from LHR. Her final flight no doubt! Couldn’t catch a reg & the details on NATS were very odd, all zeros....
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:40 am

RobTrueBlueFox wrote:
A BA 747 has just gone into Kemble, low & slow all the way from LHR. Her final flight no doubt! Couldn’t catch a reg & the details on NATS were very odd, all zeros....


G-CIVJ, final flight....
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:12 pm

See a video of CHX airport with all A380 from BA parked : https://www.facebook.com/13910627742687 ... 036474489/
 
Opus99
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:31 pm

I wonder how the fleet plans will change after covid. Even with the 380s people seem confident they’ll come back for BA but I believe even if they do certainly not all will and also the accelerated 747 retirements do they take on more 350s? Interesting times ahead
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:09 pm

Opus99 wrote:
I wonder how the fleet plans will change after covid. Even with the 380s people seem confident they’ll come back for BA but I believe even if they do certainly not all will and also the accelerated 747 retirements do they take on more 350s? Interesting times ahead


This is on ch-aviation:

IAG International Airlines Group is contemplating early retirement of B747-400s operated by British Airways but also other types as it plans for the recovery phase after the peak of the COVID-19 pandemic, Group Chief Executive Officer Willie Walsh said during an investor briefing.
"Our analysis of the likely evolution of demand through 2020 is that we would not require all of our aircraft, that we will temporarily ground, to come back into service, so we're now evaluating how many of those that will be grounded will be permanently grounded," Walsh said.
He underlined that the thirty-one B747-400s operated by British Airways are all fully depreciated and will be the first to leave the fleet.

The group could also consider retiring around 20 narrowbody aircraft. Walsh did not specify from which carrier they would potentially come.
"I would also point out that we have a significant number of narrowbody aircraft coming off lease as we go through 2020, into 2021, over 40 narrowbodies come off lease in 2021. So there's a lot of flexibility in the fleet," Walsh added.

Walsh also clarified that while the group has not cancelled any orders yet, it was in talks with both Airbus and Boeing.
"At this stage, we are looking at delaying CAPEX... We are having a very good dialogue with the OEMs, Boeing and Airbus, as you would expect, and that has been very constructive, so I'm pleased in relation to that, so we do have flexibility in relation to our contracts but also in the discussions that we're having with them - we're expecting additional flexibility,' he said.
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:42 pm

Looking at the photos I hope they have them parked in the correct order, I spent 16 years stand planning and nothing worse than needing the one that is in the middle!
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:20 am

StlHsvSfoSan wrote:
Danhill1905 wrote:
Scotron12 wrote:
Maybe the rumor a few weeks ago on BA loading MEL airport data to their A350s is true, in that the only long haul flying are to be done with the 777s and 350s.

Bung an F cabin on the A350 and you're good to go!



As far as I’m aware, all long haul flying will be done with the 772’s, 773’s, 788’s, 789’s and the A350-1000. The only route being operated by something different is LHR - DFW with a 744.

As a side note, 90% of all short haul routes being operated by NEO’s (A320 & A321) and A320’s with winglets with the odd A319 routing added in like Aberdeen and Düsseldorf.


Are there any plans to bring back the A318 service on LCY-SNN-JFK-LCY ? I was hoping to take that flight (originally this month, but delayed until later because of the COVID-19 stuff).


I’m not aware of any plans to permanently cancel BA001/002 at the moment. All services to/from LCY are suspended. Only thing I can advise is to keep checking BA.com for updates on your own situation as this pandemic continues.
 
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Re: Five BA 747s to Teruel today

Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:00 pm

BealineV953 wrote:
BealineV953 wrote:
chonetsao wrote:

I know there are some BA pilots on this forum, who might be able to post their knowledge to cover these topics.


Is there anyone out there from BA Network Development, Operations Planning or Ops Control that can give us a clue as to whether the 747s at Teruel will return to service?


G-CIVL flew to Kemble today.
I'm hearing that IVH, IVJ, IVK and IVN will go to Kemble later this week.

From ‘Flyertalk’ the planned dates of the next 747 retirements were (all subject to change):
G-CIVD - May 2020
G-CIVH - Jun 2020
G-CIVJ - Jun 2020
G-CIVI - Oct 2020
G-CIVL - Nov 2020
G-CIVK - Jan 2021
G-CIVN - Feb 2021
G-CIVF - Jun 2021
G-CIVB - 2022
G-CIVC - Nov 2022
G-CIVE - Nov 2022
G-BYGC - 2023
G-BNLY - 2023

As above, IVH, IVJ, IVK, IVL & IVN all had planned retirement dates in the not too distant future.
Also, as in an earlier post, IVJ, IVK, IVL & IVN have not had the full cabin refurbishment.
My guess is that this five are unlikely to return to service.

A quick reminder, the plan was for all 747s to be retired by February 2024, with the following numbers of 747s in the fleet at year end:
• 2020: 25 aircraft
• 2021: 20 aircraft
• 2022: 12 aircraft
• 2023: 3 aircraft


G-CIVN flew to Kemble today. BA Souce says that IVN will be scrapped.
IVJ & IVL are at Kemble.
I hear that IVH & IVK will go to Kemble later this week.

A quick reminder, the plan was for all BA 747s to be retired by February 2024, with the following numbers of 747s in the fleet at year end:
• 2020: 25
• 2021: 20
• 2022: 12
• 2023: 3

From ‘Flyertalk’ the planned dates of the next 747 retirements were (all subject to change):
G-CIVD - May 2020
G-CIVH - Jun 2020
G-CIVJ - Jun 2020
G-CIVI - Oct 2020
G-CIVL - Nov 2020
G-CIVK - Jan 2021
G-CIVN - Feb 2021
G-CIVF - Jun 2021
G-CIVB - 2022
G-CIVC - Nov 2022
G-CIVE - Nov 2022
G-BYGC - 2023
G-BNLY - 2023

So, IVH, IVJ, IVK, IVL & IVN all had planned retirement dates in the not too distant future.
For what it is worth, I doubt if any of these five will return to service.
Ever since childhood, when I lived within sight of London Airport, I have seldom seen a plane go by and not wished I was on it.”
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:21 pm

nicode wrote:
See a video of CHX airport with all A380 from BA parked : https://www.facebook.com/13910627742687 ... 036474489/


They look like models! Some sight.

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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:52 am

Silly question looking at the CHX and other parking the Nose wheel is straight and near the grass, anyone know which type of tug was used to park them with.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Fri Apr 17, 2020 1:00 pm

You can hook Up from behind the nose gear with most heavy conventional tugs...common in No1 maint. And BealineBase
 
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Re: Five BA 747s to Teruel today

Mon Jun 08, 2020 3:17 pm

BealineV953 wrote:
BealineV953 wrote:
BealineV953 wrote:

Is there anyone out there from BA Network Development, Operations Planning or Ops Control that can give us a clue as to whether the 747s at Teruel will return to service?


A quick reminder, the plan was for all 747s to be retired by February 2024, with the following numbers of 747s in the fleet at year end:
• 2020: 25 aircraft
• 2021: 20 aircraft
• 2022: 12 aircraft
• 2023: 3 aircraft

G-CIVL flew to Kemble today.
I'm hearing that IVJ and IVN will go to Kemble later this week.

From ‘Flyertalk’ the pre-Coronavirus planned dates of the next 747 retirements were (all subject to change):
G-CIVD - May 2020
G-CIVH - Jun 2020
G-CIVJ - Jun 2020
G-CIVI - Oct 2020
G-CIVL - Nov 2020
G-CIVK - Jan 2021
G-CIVN - Feb 2021
G-CIVF - Jun 2021
G-CIVB - 2022
G-CIVC - Nov 2022
G-CIVE - Nov 2022
G-BYGC - 2023
G-BNLY - 2023

As above, IVH, IVJ, IVK, IVL & IVN all had planned retirement dates in the not too distant future.
Also, as in an earlier post, IVJ, IVK, IVL & IVN have not had the full cabin refurbishment.
My guess is that this five are unlikely to return to service.



G-CIVN flew to Kemble today. BA Souce says that IVN will be scrapped.
IVJ & IVL are at Kemble.

A quick reminder, the pre-Coronavirus plan was for all BA 747s to be retired by February 2024, with the following numbers of 747s in the fleet at year end:
• 2020: 25
• 2021: 20
• 2022: 12
• 2023: 3

From ‘Flyertalk’ the planned dates of the next 747 retirements were (all subject to change):
G-CIVD - May 2020
G-CIVH - Jun 2020
G-CIVJ - Jun 2020
G-CIVI - Oct 2020
G-CIVL - Nov 2020
G-CIVK - Jan 2021
G-CIVN - Feb 2021
G-CIVF - Jun 2021
G-CIVB - 2022
G-CIVC - Nov 2022
G-CIVE - Nov 2022
G-BYGC - 2023
G-BNLY - 2023

So, IVH, IVJ, IVK, IVL & IVN all had planned retirement dates in the not too distant future.
For what it is worth, I doubt if any of these five will return to service.


Some 747s have been on the move.
G-CIVF positioned LHR-CWL on 06JUN. BA Source states that this is for maintenance.
G-CIVP positioned BOH-LHR on 28MAY and has since operated a number of CPT services.
G-CIVU positioned BOH-CWL on 05JUN. BA Source states that this is for maintenance work.
Ever since childhood, when I lived within sight of London Airport, I have seldom seen a plane go by and not wished I was on it.”
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Re: Five BA 747s to Teruel today

Tue Jun 09, 2020 4:27 pm

BealineV953 wrote:
BealineV953 wrote:
BealineV953 wrote:

A quick reminder, the plan was for all 747s to be retired by February 2024, with the following numbers of 747s in the fleet at year end:
• 2020: 25 aircraft
• 2021: 20 aircraft
• 2022: 12 aircraft
• 2023: 3 aircraft

G-CIVL flew to Kemble today.
I'm hearing that IVJ and IVN will go to Kemble later this week.

From ‘Flyertalk’ the pre-Coronavirus planned dates of the next 747 retirements were (all subject to change):
G-CIVD - May 2020
G-CIVH - Jun 2020
G-CIVJ - Jun 2020
G-CIVI - Oct 2020
G-CIVL - Nov 2020
G-CIVK - Jan 2021
G-CIVN - Feb 2021
G-CIVF - Jun 2021
G-CIVB - 2022
G-CIVC - Nov 2022
G-CIVE - Nov 2022
G-BYGC - 2023
G-BNLY - 2023

As above, IVH, IVJ, IVK, IVL & IVN all had planned retirement dates in the not too distant future.
Also, as in an earlier post, IVJ, IVK, IVL & IVN have not had the full cabin refurbishment.
My guess is that this five are unlikely to return to service.



G-CIVN flew to Kemble today. BA Souce says that IVN will be scrapped.
IVJ & IVL are at Kemble.

A quick reminder, the pre-Coronavirus plan was for all BA 747s to be retired by February 2024, with the following numbers of 747s in the fleet at year end:
• 2020: 25
• 2021: 20
• 2022: 12
• 2023: 3

From ‘Flyertalk’ the planned dates of the next 747 retirements were (all subject to change):
G-CIVD - May 2020
G-CIVH - Jun 2020
G-CIVJ - Jun 2020
G-CIVI - Oct 2020
G-CIVL - Nov 2020
G-CIVK - Jan 2021
G-CIVN - Feb 2021
G-CIVF - Jun 2021
G-CIVB - 2022
G-CIVC - Nov 2022
G-CIVE - Nov 2022
G-BYGC - 2023
G-BNLY - 2023

So, IVH, IVJ, IVK, IVL & IVN all had planned retirement dates in the not too distant future.
For what it is worth, I doubt if any of these five will return to service.


Some 747s have been on the move.
G-CIVF positioned LHR-CWL on 06JUN. BA Source states that this is for maintenance.
G-CIVP positioned BOH-LHR on 28MAY and has since operated a number of CPT services.
G-CIVU positioned BOH-CWL on 05JUN. BA Source states that this is for maintenance work.


G-CIVC positioned BOH-CWL today, 09JUN. BA Source states that this is for continued storage.
There were five 747s stored at BOH; there are now only two.
Ever since childhood, when I lived within sight of London Airport, I have seldom seen a plane go by and not wished I was on it.”
With apologies to Paul Theroux - ‘The Great Railway Bazaar’
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:08 pm

fcogafa wrote:
St Albans International, previously known as Radlett, home of Handley Page


Ha Ha (Funny). Those Heralds Long forgotten !
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Wed Jun 10, 2020 8:57 am

A380 G-XLEG flew from LHR to join its friends at CHR this morrning as BAW9153
 
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Re: Five BA 747s to Teruel today

Wed Jun 10, 2020 2:02 pm

LCDFlight wrote:
I would be pleasantly surprised if basically any 744s or most A380s fly again in passenger service.

I'm certain the A380's will fly again, I also think that a few, but not many 744's will continue to fly for another couple of years but, yes a majority of them will be retired.
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