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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Wed Jun 10, 2020 6:03 pm

G-CIVW planned to fly BOH-CWL 11June.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Thu Jun 11, 2020 5:39 am

Which planes are currently stored at Kemble?
 
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Re: Five BA 747s to Teruel today

Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:43 pm

BealineV953 wrote:
BealineV953 wrote:
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G-CIVN flew to Kemble today. BA Souce says that IVN will be scrapped.
IVJ & IVL are at Kemble.

A quick reminder, the pre-Coronavirus plan was for all BA 747s to be retired by February 2024, with the following numbers of 747s in the fleet at year end:
• 2020: 25
• 2021: 20
• 2022: 12
• 2023: 3

From ‘Flyertalk’ the planned dates of the next 747 retirements were (all subject to change):
G-CIVD - May 2020
G-CIVH - Jun 2020
G-CIVJ - Jun 2020
G-CIVI - Oct 2020
G-CIVL - Nov 2020
G-CIVK - Jan 2021
G-CIVN - Feb 2021
G-CIVF - Jun 2021
G-CIVB - 2022
G-CIVC - Nov 2022
G-CIVE - Nov 2022
G-BYGC - 2023
G-BNLY - 2023

So, IVH, IVJ, IVK, IVL & IVN all had planned retirement dates in the not too distant future.
For what it is worth, I doubt if any of these five will return to service.


Some 747s have been on the move.
G-CIVF positioned LHR-CWL on 06JUN. BA Source states that this is for maintenance.
G-CIVP positioned BOH-LHR on 28MAY and has since operated a number of CPT services.
G-CIVU positioned BOH-CWL on 05JUN. BA Source states that this is for maintenance work.


G-CIVC positioned BOH-CWL today, 09JUN. BA Source states that this is for continued storage.
There were five 747s stored at BOH; there are now only two.


G-CIVO positioned LHR-CWL on 03JUN.
G-BYGG positioned LHR-CWL on 03JUN.
G-CIVW positioned BOH-CWL today, 11JUN.
There were five 747s stored at BOH; there is now only one.
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:13 pm

Not looking good for the 744 at BA:

This could mark the beginning of the final chapter of the B747 at BA, as today all training & recency for the 600 or so pilots was formally suspended.

Ref: https://twitter.com/Tim_the_Pilot/statu ... 9112380416
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:37 pm

Revelation wrote:
Not looking good for the 744 at BA:

This could mark the beginning of the final chapter of the B747 at BA, as today all training & recency for the 600 or so pilots was formally suspended.

Ref: https://twitter.com/Tim_the_Pilot/statu ... 9112380416

Doesn’t seem like they’re coming back. A350 and 77Ws will hold down the 747s route as much as possible till whenever 779 joins
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Sat Jun 20, 2020 3:53 am

Suspended for the rest of the month - there's little point doing recency sims to only go out of recency before the aircraft flies again.

Little ploy to try and convince a few more 747 pilots to take the VR offer rather than go through a conversion course. Once the VR deadline is gone the training will no doubt recommence. All a bit of a variable beast anyway as a lot of the plans are dependent on the UK quarantine.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:28 am

BA777FO wrote:
Suspended for the rest of the month - there's little point doing recency sims to only go out of recency before the aircraft flies again.

Little ploy to try and convince a few more 747 pilots to take the VR offer rather than go through a conversion course. Once the VR deadline is gone the training will no doubt recommence. All a bit of a variable beast anyway as a lot of the plans are dependent on the UK quarantine.


I know on the 2nd page of this thread a few months back you stated that there would be roughly 13 747s remaining post-COVID, any update on that number? If it is indeed a suspension and resumption of recency at a later date, there must be a fleet plan for these aircraft...? Some just flew to maintenance (such as G-CIVF on June 6, G-CIVU on June 5, and G-BNLY on June 15), so I could see it going both ways (either full fleet wide retirement or a small sublet remaining)...
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:46 am

BA777FO wrote:
Suspended for the rest of the month - there's little point doing recency sims to only go out of recency before the aircraft flies again.


Why is that? Because even if you do sim time you still have to fly the real aircraft every few weeks / months?
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Sat Jun 20, 2020 11:42 am

They had competed with JAL for the most 747s for a while right?

60?

I still remember breaking out of the morning mist on approach to LHR and seeing them parked all over. One of those aviation moments you dont forget
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Sat Jun 20, 2020 11:58 am

workhorse wrote:
BA777FO wrote:
Suspended for the rest of the month - there's little point doing recency sims to only go out of recency before the aircraft flies again.


Why is that? Because even if you do sim time you still have to fly the real aircraft every few weeks / months?


Captains need 1 landing every 45 days and 3 in 90 days. First Officers still need 3 landings in 90 days but the 45 day requirement can be as P2 at the controls as opposed to handling pilot.

Beyond 120 days there's a requirement for 2 line sectors with a training captain. That'd be burdonsome.

But as you have 90 days to do 3 takeoffs and landings in the sim there's little point going in every 45 days to satisfy that requirement when it's unlikely to fly before September at the earliest, quarantine dependant.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Sat Jun 20, 2020 12:51 pm

Nobody knows at this point when, and by how much, international air travel will recover. So smart airline executives are going to keep as many options open as possible. The other unknown variable is where oil prices will be when the recovery happens. But due to the massive losses that the airlines are encountering now, maximizing profits is going to be paramount during the recovery. That means any planes parked now will not come back unless and until they can be regularly filled. So A380s will be the last to return, but 744s are the next to last. Those close to scheduled retirement are highly unlikely to return. A380s which are not yet paid for are actually more likely to return.
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Sat Jun 20, 2020 2:00 pm

British Airways 744 G-BYGC in BOAC retro livery has positioned LHR-CWL today

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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Sat Jun 20, 2020 7:27 pm

Get the bucket list 744 nose and upper deck flights flown while you can. Sad to think the BA 747 days could be done even sooner.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:24 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
They had competed with JAL for the most 747s for a while right?

60?

I still remember breaking out of the morning mist on approach to LHR and seeing them parked all over. One of those aviation moments you dont forget


JL had over in service at one point late 1990s early 2000s, BA had the largest 744 fleet of 57, JL had a lot of classics and 30 something odd 744s from memory, BA did have several 742s still flying when they took the last 744 in 1999 so they may have had close to 70 in service at that point.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Sat Jun 20, 2020 11:05 pm

airzona11 wrote:
Get the bucket list 744 nose and upper deck flights flown while you can. Sad to think the BA 747 days could be done even sooner.


Had both booked this year. August was a LHR-IAD-LHR trip in the nose (return on A350 in the new suite) and then a trip LHR-LAX-LHR flying the upper deck on way out (B789 return). Coming to terms with the fact I’ll probably have to cancel both. Thankfully I’ve done the upper deck on a QF B744(ER) before but flying in the nose may never happen now.
 
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British Airways 747s retired with immediate effect

Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:06 pm

Can't find I link yet but an internal memo has been sent to staff stating the 747 fleet is done. Will post a link when one becomes available.
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Re: British Airways 747s retired with immediate effect

Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:10 pm

How sad, such a beautiful aircraft.
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Re: British Airways 747s retired with immediate effect

Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:12 pm

Unverified "source" with "story to follow": https://twitter.com/HeadForPoints/statu ... 4089882630
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:26 pm

Ah balls, had 64K booked to Miami in December. Sad that getting into the "hump" will be even harder now.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:45 pm

Really sad day
I had upper deck booked LHR to CPT in November :-(
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, at 40+ including 747s, A380s

Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:46 pm

So sad but in the circumstances unfortunately necessary. I've flown the 747 many times but only with BA back in 2009 (BA009/BA010 LHR-BKK-SYD). Before Covid-19 hit I had been close to booking a trip to San Francisco this Autumn, albeit flying LHR-SJO with BA on the 747-436 and in Club World (using my Avios and a Companion voucher) due to great availability across dates. I did Club World on the upper deck of the BA A380 last year, but my aim of doing it on the 747 with BA will, alas, remain unfulfilled.

Whether BA can do something special to mark the retirement remains to be seen given the circumstances. But at least we got to see the unofficial flagship in BOAC, Negus+Negus and Landor colours once more due to the celebrations last year. Shy of her Golden Jubilee with BA the 747 will be missed.
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:56 pm

Saw this from Jon Ostrower on Twitter a few minutes ago. https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/1283880276179816454
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:59 pm

Oh, that's desperately sad news, what an awful way for such a distinguished airliner to see the end at possibly her most iconic carrier.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:02 pm

Sad. That was our one and only 747 airline in Austin. I'm glad we got to see it when we did.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:09 pm

BA have served DEN for years with the 747, and I have flown BA DEN-LHR often, with the 747. With what type will BA serve DEN from now on?
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:13 pm

Absolutely heartbroken by this news, British Airways as well as KLM 747-400s got me into aviation from the age of 6 at LAX....any idea if some will come state-side to VCV, or if there will be any farewell flights (such as Qantas this week)?
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:17 pm

I'm hearing anecdotally via GLA based NATS operatives that BA's Airbus A321 CEO fleet is being progressively rounded up there (16 already a further two on Friday) for storage and disposal.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:18 pm

Would sure like to see the 3 retro jets donated to museums instead of a date with the scrapyard :(
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:20 pm

MrHMSH wrote:
Oh, that's desperately sad news, what an awful way for such a distinguished airliner to see the end at possibly her most iconic carrier.

Sad for the whole industry as per #119 above:

They are an airliner of another era, however, and they burn far more fuel than the latest generation of planes and, logically, require more frequent and detailed attention from our engineering team. They rely on high passenger load factors and high premium demand to make them commercially viable. In short, we do not believe that these beautiful aircraft are sustainable in a very different airline industry.

More confirmation that the idea of a V shaped recovery is gone and we're stuck with a U.
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:21 pm

Very sad
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:50 pm

SmithAir747 wrote:
BA have served DEN for years with the 747, and I have flown BA DEN-LHR often, with the 747. With what type will BA serve DEN from now on?


Probably depends on how well the economy rebounds, but I'd say 77W or 789.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:53 pm

Really sad news.

I know it is incredibly unlikely, but would be love to see one saved as a Museum piece.

Maybe Duxford could start to have foreign passenger aircraft on show? It might be more appealing to visit.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:53 pm

How very sad. The 747, certainly in the BA livery, is iconic. Still not the same without them here in PHX. Had plans for upper deck one way and nose back this Fall. End of an era.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:01 pm

Frankly, they could sell a few out on LHR-CWL retirement flights to be stripped before the short hop to St Athan. Negus retrojet jolly one last time please?? Some revenue would be generated!!
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:39 pm

For personal reasons I love the 747. I have maneuvered to have every one of my TATL flights on a 747 (in the past, not too difficult from LAX).

But this is a necessary step. Sad, but required.

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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:58 pm

In the letter sent to the staff British Airways said “We have recently refreshed the interiors of a number of them with the intention of a good few remaining years in service.”

It was part of a billion-pound upgrade program to help extend the lifespan of the fleet.

https://airlinegeeks.com/2020/07/16/bri ... 747-fleet/

BA is the largest operator of the 747s. It is big disappointment for the British Airways and the aviation community.
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:04 am

SmithAir747 wrote:
BA have served DEN for years with the 747, and I have flown BA DEN-LHR often, with the 747. With what type will BA serve DEN from now on?


I'll be happy just to get the service back.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:08 am

Last time I flew one was BA 112 JFK-LHR on G-BNLA March 25th, 2001, Rose livery I recall.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:09 am

It seems every 747 fan is losing a relative lately... it feels like losing a close person...

2020 will forever be remembered as a bleak year.

I must admit I was expecting a drastic fleet reduction, maybe coming back with 10 frames or so. But retiring them all at once... that hit hard.
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:27 am

Oh no !!
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:30 am

SmithAir747 wrote:
BA have served DEN for years with the 747, and I have flown BA DEN-LHR often, with the 747. With what type will BA serve DEN from now on?


According to Airline Route announcement On Jun 27th BA will go to a 777-200 on the LHR-DEN route
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:50 am

Basically BA has given up hope on travel returning to normal until 2022 at least.

That said, what are the odds that the A388 at BA returns to service? I would say about 20-25 percent at best...and then the B772 (GE ER fleet) will have to soldier on a bit longer.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:51 am

xjetflyer2001 wrote:
SmithAir747 wrote:
BA have served DEN for years with the 747, and I have flown BA DEN-LHR often, with the 747. With what type will BA serve DEN from now on?


According to Airline Route announcement On Jun 27th BA will go to a 777-200 on the LHR-DEN route


Any idea when the DEN-LHR service will resume, or is that still up in the air?

The first chance I get, after this calms down, I'm heading back to London. Since I lived there in 2004-2007, and started making return visits there in 2016, I have made it a point to go back at least once a year to revisit my uni, my colleagues in craniofacial medical research, as well as old friends all over the UK. Once a Londoner, always a Londoner, and I have the insatiable desire to go back as much as I can (and one day, move back to the UK or even the EU permanently and finish out my life and career there). I will be glad to make my next trip back as soon as possible.

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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:56 am

Figured COVID would accelerate the BA 744 retirements, but didn't think it would be this quick. Sad, as it was my favorite commercial aircraft. Fortunate to have flown on it three times. Long live the Queen.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:06 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
Basically BA has given up hope on travel returning to normal until 2022 at least.

That said, what are the odds that the A388 at BA returns to service? I would say about 20-25 percent at best...and then the B772 (GE ER fleet) will have to soldier on a bit longer.


The 747s were long paid for and amortized. They were scheduled for retirement over the next few years. To scrap the A380s would be a massive write down.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:19 am

DCA350 wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
Basically BA has given up hope on travel returning to normal until 2022 at least.

That said, what are the odds that the A388 at BA returns to service? I would say about 20-25 percent at best...and then the B772 (GE ER fleet) will have to soldier on a bit longer.


The 747s were long paid for and amortized. They were scheduled for retirement over the next few years. To scrap the A380s would be a massive write down.


British Airways A380 G-XLEI flew CHR-LHR today (July 16). Doubt they would fly one out if they weren’t intent on keeping at least some of the fleet.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/g-xlei
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:20 am

DCA350 wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
Basically BA has given up hope on travel returning to normal until 2022 at least.

That said, what are the odds that the A388 at BA returns to service? I would say about 20-25 percent at best...and then the B772 (GE ER fleet) will have to soldier on a bit longer.


The 747s were long paid for and amortized. They were scheduled for retirement over the next few years. To scrap the A380s would be a massive write down.



A month ago, I might have argued the point with him. But travel will not be back to pre Covid levels. When it does re-peak, I would have to agree that even 2022 is highly optimistic.

So for the 388s, the real question is with what BA are paying for them, will they be able to recover as much operating as they would have in taxing incentives to write down the loss?

I would imagine this gets complex with the 388s, as they do have a useful cargo load if PAX count can be certain to remain below a certain point. Not an ideal solution by any means, but that could be well enough to justify the operational cost. Any RASM benefits are history though.
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:03 am

lightsaber wrote:
For personal reasons I love the 747. I have maneuvered to have every one of my TATL flights on a 747 (in the past, not too difficult from LAX).

But this is a necessary step. Sad, but required.

Lightsaber


Last TATL I also made sure I was on a BA 744. Kinda dated interior, but those old seats are sooo comfy slept like a rock in Y.

Sad to see them go. But lookin forward to the 779, which I find quite the good looking plane, but its impossible to replace the Queen.
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