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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:06 pm

I agree with posters above on A380 consolidation flights. The only question I have in mind is cargo capability. I mean, when things do not improve, BAcan strip several section of economy class and make way for cargo. But when things start to pick up, the consolidation flight would not work any more. Especially in cargo heavy routes like Hong Kong and Singapore. At a possibility that both passengers and cargo pick up, yet to the full level, multiple flights with B777 still offers more meaningful cargo uplift compared with one single A380 flight. Thus I see that works temporarily but not for too long.
 
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BA's Negus 744 to be preserved !

Wed Oct 07, 2020 10:50 am

G-CIVB has been saved from the axeman and is being flown 8 Oct to GBA for preservation.
https://twitter.com/speedbird_tv/status ... 3398406145
 
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Re: BA's Negus 744 to be preserved !

Wed Oct 07, 2020 10:54 am

AWESOME...would love if they painted a different scheme on each side...oh well, beggars can't be choosers
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Re: BA's Negus 744 to be preserved !

Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:21 am

Curious as to why they opted to preserve this livery instead of Landor or the BOAC commemorative plane. The Negus livery is a reminder of how "bloody awful" BA was prior to its privatization.
 
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Re: BA's Negus 744 to be preserved !

Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:28 am

The is a BAC 1-11 Preserved in Landor and a Vickers VC10 in BOAC at Duxford, this could be the reason why they decided to preserve a Negus Livery
 
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Re: BA's Negus 744 to be preserved !

Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:32 am

Absolutely great news. Would be even better if they could preserve the Landor and BOAC birds together.

These 3 birds simply don't deserve to be stored and scrapped.
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Re: BA's Negus 744 to be preserved !

Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:32 am

"Preserved", but what does that mean? I know there is a Bristol Britannia kept at Kemble, but is there an actual museum? Who is going to pay for its preservation? Will it be open to the public? Who is going to to the work to maintain her?
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Re: BA's Negus 744 to be preserved !

Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:49 am

Can the BOAC be saved too, would that be too much to ask.
 
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Re: BA's Negus 744 to be preserved !

Wed Oct 07, 2020 1:43 pm

The BA 744 is a symbol of Britain. It may be the most iconic 747 fleet in the world. Certainly one of them.

So, it should be a priority to save a few. And display, so future people can see how cool they looked.
 
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Re: BA's Negus 744 to be preserved !

Wed Oct 07, 2020 2:01 pm

I also wish all these 3 744's retrojets could be preserved but that probably is too much to ask. It would be nice if BA do these same retros on their 787-10 or A350-1000 models but that too is wishful thinking.

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Re: BA's Negus 744 to be preserved !

Wed Oct 07, 2020 2:24 pm

vhtje wrote:
"Preserved", but what does that mean? I know there is a Bristol Britannia kept at Kemble, but is there an actual museum? Who is going to pay for its preservation? Will it be open to the public? Who is going to to the work to maintain her?

These are good points, at Rand Airport there is an SAA SP and 742 as well as several other planes but "preserved" doesn't describe them.

There is a museum and the 742 is open to the public but all the planes look pretty sad.
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Re: BA's Negus 744 to be preserved !

Wed Oct 07, 2020 2:38 pm

Is there some kind of a protective plastic coating that may protect outdoor aircraft paint from getting moldy or sun damaged?
 
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Re: BA's Negus 744 to be preserved !

Wed Oct 07, 2020 2:58 pm

Good question about preservation. Hopefully it isn’t “preserved” like G-BOAB and left to rot in some corner at LHR.

I’d rather see a 744 in Landor or the current livery preserved. Seems odd to keep a retro jet in a livery the aircraft never really flew in, save for the retro celebration. BOAC is my favorite of the bunch, but BOAC was long gone by the time the 744s even came about.

Either way, nice to see at least one saved
 
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Re: BA's Negus 744 to be preserved !

Wed Oct 07, 2020 3:08 pm

More details from British Airways, including a dual take off on parallel runways from LHR at 8:30 AM on Thursday: https://www.facebook.com/AeronewsGlobal ... 0143229062
 
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Re: BA's Negus 744 to be preserved !

Wed Oct 07, 2020 3:49 pm

BA had its collection at Cosford, but pulled the sponsorship (funding) in 2006, with the major exhibits ending up being scrapped. I don’t know who or what G-CIVB museum will be going to, but I hope it will be funded and not left to rot and thus being eventually scrapped
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Re: BA's Negus 744 to be preserved !

Wed Oct 07, 2020 4:21 pm

Much as I hope this is true, has it actually been confirmed by a credible source?

BA’s newsroom has a piece on the departures from Heathrow tomorrow but no mention of an aircraft being preserved.

Cotswold Airport has posted this on Facebook this afternoon:

“I note there are lots or rumours floating around spotter sites regarding 747 arrivals at Cotswold Airport tomorrow.#, most of which are not entirely correct.

We are expecting one 747 arrival tomorrow, weather permitting and thus flight times have yet to be confirmed. I acknowledge this particular aircraft due to its colour scheme may well attract more attention than others. Its future, like all other aircraft currently in storage at the Airport, is unknown, despite some fanciful rumours, and this decision resides with the airline/owners.”

So I’m far from convinced this is true
 
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Re: BA's Negus 744 to be preserved !

Wed Oct 07, 2020 4:29 pm

AstanaMagic wrote:
BA had its collection at Cosford, but pulled the sponsorship (funding) in 2006, with the major exhibits ending up being scrapped. I don’t know who or what G-CIVB museum will be going to, but I hope it will be funded and not left to rot and thus being eventually scrapped



I agree, i'd like to know where it will be kept and who will fund it. This has been an issue in the past as happened in Cosford.
 
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Re: BA's Negus 744 to be preserved !

Wed Oct 07, 2020 4:39 pm

I'd love to see the Landor 744 retired to the Museum of Flight at Boeing Field Seattle,
I think the MOF could use a 744 in it's collection and the Landor jet would be
a special addition since that was the delivery livery for BA's 744 fleet :)
 
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Re: BA's Negus 744 to be preserved !

Wed Oct 07, 2020 4:39 pm

I'd love to see the Landor 744 retired to the Museum of Flight at Boeing Field Seattle,
I think the MOF could use a 744 in it's collection and the Landor jet would be
a special addition since that was the delivery livery for BA's 744 fleet :)
 
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Re: BA's Negus 744 to be preserved !

Wed Oct 07, 2020 4:47 pm

I hope this one will be "preserved" better than 707-436 G-APFJ at Cosford.
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Re: BA's Negus 744 to be preserved !

Wed Oct 07, 2020 4:49 pm

this id not confirmed as far as im aware
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Wed Oct 07, 2020 5:07 pm

I hope the news about G-CIVB is true. I was finally able to fly a BA 744 last year for the first (and unfortunately last) time, and I was lucky enough to get G-CIVB. The interior was old, but that didn't matter. It was just so cool to fly the 744 one more time and to get to fly one of the retro liveries.

I'm so sad to see the 744s being retired in this way. It was incredible being at LHR last year and seeing so many 744s. It was especially fun taking the shuttle from T5 to T3 and being up close to so many of them.
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Wed Oct 07, 2020 5:13 pm

The last two BA 744s will depart LHR at 08.30 tomorrow, using both runways at the same time. One aircraft will then do a flyby and hopefully a wave goodbye over the southern runway.

https://m.facebook.com/AeronewsGlobal/p ... 0143229062
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Wed Oct 07, 2020 5:58 pm

The CEO of Cotswold airport has said on instagram they are still negotiating to save G-CIVB and it is not a done deal.

Would love to post a screenshot but can’t.
 
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Re: BA's Negus 744 to be preserved !

Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:26 am

AstanaMagic wrote:
BA had its collection at Cosford, but pulled the sponsorship (funding) in 2006, with the major exhibits ending up being scrapped. I don’t know who or what G-CIVB museum will be going to, but I hope it will be funded and not left to rot and thus being eventually scrapped


While reading this news, Cosford was the first thing I thought about. If that wasn't a civil aviation bloodbath, I don't know what is. The loss of all of those great airliners left a bad taste in my mouth for BA and although they do more than a lot of other airlines do, it seems to be short lived. I would not rely on any support from them, aside from flying the plane to the destination and handing the keys over.

Times are tough and they probably could have used the scrap money, but with RR RB211-524 engines, their demand is very limited, so I guess we should thank them, but I just cannot forgive them for Cosford.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:30 am

uta999 wrote:
The last two BA 744s will depart LHR at 08.30 tomorrow, using both runways at the same time. One aircraft will then do a flyby and hopefully a wave goodbye over the southern runway.

https://m.facebook.com/AeronewsGlobal/p ... 0143229062


Stupid PR stunt.

Will the do same for A380 if the A380 is also with drawn from services??
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:51 am

FrenchPotatoEye wrote:
uta999 wrote:
The last two BA 744s will depart LHR at 08.30 tomorrow, using both runways at the same time. One aircraft will then do a flyby and hopefully a wave goodbye over the southern runway.

https://m.facebook.com/AeronewsGlobal/p ... 0143229062


Stupid PR stunt.

Will the do same for A380 if the A380 is also with drawn from services??


Oh dear someone is upset that BA is doing something every avgeek, and dare i say, a few of the general population as well, in the UK want to see and has been crying out for.
Will they do it for the 380, who knows maybe if it reaches almost 50 years in service, and becomes as iconic as the 747 of all models. Then maybe they might, but in all seriousness 50 years for the 380 is a bit far reached IMHO.
So if you are not into " stupid PR stunts" then i assume you will not bother watching on media or social media.

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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:53 am

FrenchPotatoEye wrote:
uta999 wrote:
The last two BA 744s will depart LHR at 08.30 tomorrow, using both runways at the same time. One aircraft will then do a flyby and hopefully a wave goodbye over the southern runway.

https://m.facebook.com/AeronewsGlobal/p ... 0143229062


Stupid PR stunt.

Will the do same for A380 if the A380 is also with drawn from services??


So you would rather that do nothing? Has the A380 been in service 50 years? I’m not saying they wouldn’t do it for the A380 but I would have my doubts.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:44 am

Real shame to see the BA 744's leave LHR for the last time just now, looks like G-CIVY is coming round to do the final flypast as they hoped.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:47 am

They have both taken off now, but the simultaneous take-offs was cancelled due weather. Was shown live on BBC breakfast TV.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:48 am

G-CIVB en-route to Kemble. G-COVY (call sign Speedbird 747) en-route to St Athan although it has turned right after 27R take off. Touch and go farewell ?
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:54 am

G-COVY will be doing a low level flypast over 27L. 775 feet altitude.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:02 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
FrenchPotatoEye wrote:
uta999 wrote:
The last two BA 744s will depart LHR at 08.30 tomorrow, using both runways at the same time. One aircraft will then do a flyby and hopefully a wave goodbye over the southern runway.

https://m.facebook.com/AeronewsGlobal/p ... 0143229062


Stupid PR stunt.

Will the do same for A380 if the A380 is also with drawn from services??


So you would rather that do nothing? Has the A380 been in service 50 years? I’m not saying they wouldn’t do it for the A380 but I would have my doubts.


Yes - it's a waste of money at time when BA is loosing money due to covids.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:05 am

FrenchPotatoEye wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
FrenchPotatoEye wrote:

Stupid PR stunt.

Will the do same for A380 if the A380 is also with drawn from services??


So you would rather that do nothing? Has the A380 been in service 50 years? I’m not saying they wouldn’t do it for the A380 but I would have my doubts.


Yes - it's a waste of money at time when BA is loosing money due to covids.


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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:17 am

FrenchPotatoEye wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
FrenchPotatoEye wrote:

Stupid PR stunt.

Will the do same for A380 if the A380 is also with drawn from services??


So you would rather that do nothing? Has the A380 been in service 50 years? I’m not saying they wouldn’t do it for the A380 but I would have my doubts.


Yes - it's a waste of money at time when BA is loosing money due to covids.


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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:41 am

G-CIVB has been doing circuits east of GBA at 7000ft for more than half an hour now - unable to get in due weather ?
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Thu Oct 08, 2020 9:05 am

She's landing at Kemble now.
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Thu Oct 08, 2020 9:53 am

LH748 wrote:
FrenchPotatoEye wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:

So you would rather that do nothing? Has the A380 been in service 50 years? I’m not saying they wouldn’t do it for the A380 but I would have my doubts.


Yes - it's a waste of money at time when BA is loosing money due to covids.


Heartless


No it's ecomonics - stunts like this serving no purpose. Nostalgia doesn't pay bills.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Thu Oct 08, 2020 11:22 am

FrenchPotatoEye wrote:
LH748 wrote:
FrenchPotatoEye wrote:

Yes - it's a waste of money at time when BA is loosing money due to covids.


Heartless


No it's ecomonics - stunts like this serving no purpose. Nostalgia doesn't pay bills.

Well...I mean, it actually didn’t cost them more than they would have to fly them anyway. To be honest, what cost would be associated with what they did?

No red arrows, no crowd. The live was handled by BAs PR team, so I mean really, what economics is it? They had to fly the planes anyway. Or should they have retired them in Heathrow
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:07 pm

Video here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-54457434

I'm surprised none appear to be going to museums. I know money is tight for everyone at the moment, but when things (hopefully) return to some sort of normality a 747 would be a great addition for aviation museums.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:14 pm

Good solid 8 minutes of it on BBC Breakfast this morning, it is worth a watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5BKeIz5Nk0
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:35 pm

It would have been nice of them to do a tour of the UK doing fly passes, but given the situation I guess its understandable that it was a low key event.

A bit of an ignominious end for the 747 at British Airways.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Thu Oct 08, 2020 3:50 pm

Lot’s of less than ideal aspects to today’s flights, but at least BA made an effort at minimal extra cost.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Thu Oct 08, 2020 4:02 pm

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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, 747 fleet retired

Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:45 pm

Don't feel bad. According to Avatar Airlines which submitted an LOI for the acquisition of 26 frames, these aircraft should fly for years to come. :spin:
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:54 pm

Opus99 wrote:
FrenchPotatoEye wrote:
LH748 wrote:

Heartless


No it's ecomonics - stunts like this serving no purpose. Nostalgia doesn't pay bills.

Well...I mean, it actually didn’t cost them more than they would have to fly them anyway. To be honest, what cost would be associated with what they did?

No red arrows, no crowd. The live was handled by BAs PR team, so I mean really, what economics is it? They had to fly the planes anyway. Or should they have retired them in Heathrow


I previously took issue with how Qantas dealt with the retirement. But that was more because they basically told their people they would be losing their jobs...then had a big party to celebrate sending an airplane off to the scrapyard.

BA by comparison I believe really did it right. It was a low key celebration to say goodbye to one of their most iconic aircraft. Both aircraft had to take off and leave, regardless
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, 747 fleet retired

Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:27 pm

I doubt the send off cost anything at all. All that really happened was two 747's took off and made a couple of journeys much shorter than normal. Someone webstreamed it and that was that.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, 747 fleet retired

Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:31 pm

JannEejit wrote:
I doubt the send off cost anything at all. All that really happened was two 747's took off and made a couple of journeys much shorter than normal. Someone webstreamed it and that was that.


Agreed. Two 747’s, which had to fly out of LHR to be scrapped anyway. The only extra cost was one of the 747’s doing an extra circuit of LHR. Fuss about nothing.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, 747 fleet retired

Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:53 pm

airsmiles wrote:
JannEejit wrote:
I doubt the send off cost anything at all. All that really happened was two 747's took off and made a couple of journeys much shorter than normal. Someone webstreamed it and that was that.


Agreed. Two 747’s, which had to fly out of LHR to be scrapped anyway. The only extra cost was one of the 747’s doing an extra circuit of LHR. Fuss about nothing.

And BA got lots of exposure. Well worth it when they had to fly them out of LHR anyway.
 
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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, 747 fleet retired

Thu Oct 08, 2020 8:11 pm

RB211trent wrote:
airsmiles wrote:
JannEejit wrote:
I doubt the send off cost anything at all. All that really happened was two 747's took off and made a couple of journeys much shorter than normal. Someone webstreamed it and that was that.


Agreed. Two 747’s, which had to fly out of LHR to be scrapped anyway. The only extra cost was one of the 747’s doing an extra circuit of LHR. Fuss about nothing.

And BA got lots of exposure. Well worth it when they had to fly them out of LHR anyway.

You’re right because immediately after that they did a flash sale of 747 (the number) club seats for a 1000 pounds to about 15 destinations and that sold out in like an hour
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