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Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:23 pm
by Revelation
xwb777 wrote:
No more B744 trips to DXB !!

What are the associated costs if they have kept the owned B744s stored? Is it expensive for the airline?

Yes, and it really makes no sense unless you're also going to keep at least a core cadre of pilots and maintainers trained on the aircraft, along with spares enough to restart the operation, which adds even more cost. Now they can release staff (sigh) and get whatever value the aircraft, spares, sims, etc have off the books in a down period when the market expects losses.

744 made sense when they were getting big bucks for premium seats on relatively short hops. Now, that's all changed. Plus BA has been on-boarding a lot of new fleets (A350, A320neo, 787, 77W) and more to come (779, 737?) so they already have a massive footprint. No reason to pay for spares to roast in the desert.

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:37 pm
by VCVSpotter
The bad news keeps coming: "British Airways will likely not be able to operate any farewell flights, the airline tells International Flight Network"

https://twitter.com/FlightIntl/status/1 ... 0812297216

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:47 pm
by JannEejit
VCVSpotter wrote:
The bad news keeps coming: "British Airways will likely not be able to operate any farewell flights, the airline tells International Flight Network"

https://twitter.com/FlightIntl/status/1 ... 0812297216


It would at least be good to to let them loose on the UK domestic shuttles for a day just to let the people see them one last time. This was part of the 2019 anniversary plan before certain travel correspondents and green political types deemed them to be gas guzzling polluters, forcing BA to pull the short haul trips planned. Perhaps they might just roll with it now, given that's a lot of 'pollution' to be saved between now and 2024 ? But then again, there may be no appetite for it amongst crews, staring at redundancies, abrupt or otherwise.

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 7:41 pm
by louA340
Any idea what types BA will replace the ACC, LOS and CPT 744 routes with?

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 7:48 pm
by SonomaFlyer
They have 787s and 350s and will fly one of the models depending on demand. COVID has demand suppressed so the 789 would likely be the choice for now.

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Mon Jul 20, 2020 7:56 pm
by Ishrion
louA340 wrote:
Any idea what types BA will replace the ACC, LOS and CPT 744 routes with?


777-200ER

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-03jun20/

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:03 am
by KlimaBXsst
It’s just sad, that the 747 fleet could not be “combo-fied!”

Seems like such a valuable paid for asset to let fall into salvage.

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:04 am
by jfk777
So sad it ended this way, a distinguished fleet with a great airline. This fleet deserved better, too bad BA didn't reconfigure some by ripping out Club World seats and adding Y seats. IF BA had the will they would have found a way.

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:14 am
by KlimaBXsst
KlimaBXsst wrote:
It’s just sad, that the 747 fleet could not be “combo-fied!”

Seems like such a valuable paid for asset to let fall into salvage.


Make that “Combi-fied!”

Artificial intelligence likes to think it is wiser than the humans that created it. Kind of like those individuals in the aviation community who seem to believe we can actually control a pandemic!

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:30 am
by CaptainObvious1
PaxPicti wrote:
Although I don't think it has a chance of happening, it would be nice if the British government took a couple of them as VIP transport, instead of the A330 they've just repainted. More appropriate for a head of state, since they have four engines... exactly the reason the US is getting the new ones for 'Air Force One'. I did think an A340 would have been a good choice - they'll be going for next to nothing now too - but it would be much more impressive for the Queen (and future King) as well as the Prime Minister to travel on The Queen. If Mr. Johnson really wants to make a statement about Britain's place in the world, what better way than with the Queen of the Skies?


I don't think an image of not being able to adapt to change and hanging onto old inefficient technology sends a positive image. It more so indicates that they are trying to still hold onto the British Empire days which are long gone.

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 7:41 am
by Arion640
jfk777 wrote:
So sad it ended this way, a distinguished fleet with a great airline. This fleet deserved better, too bad BA didn't reconfigure some by ripping out Club World seats and adding Y seats. IF BA had the will they would have found a way.


I think the problem was they’d just nearly finished refitting the vast majority of the 747’s.

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:09 pm
by Westerwaelder
Arion640 wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
So sad it ended this way, a distinguished fleet with a great airline. This fleet deserved better, too bad BA didn't reconfigure some by ripping out Club World seats and adding Y seats. IF BA had the will they would have found a way.


I think the problem was they’d just nearly finished refitting the vast majority of the 747’s.


And they don't see the demand coming back quick enough to keep the aging 744s around.

@Arion640 Why would BA have the "will" to keep planes around they can't fill either upfront or down the back? When at the same time they have plenty of right sized planes available? The fact is the 744s are old gas guzzlers and can pay their way only if plenty of premium seats are sold. It sometimes seems if it was up to the people here in this forum, we'd all fly on stratocruisers, Concorde and MD11s... Do you all drive Morris Minors and Ford Capris? :lol:

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 3:58 pm
by skipness1E
CaptainObvious1 wrote:
PaxPicti wrote:
Although I don't think it has a chance of happening, it would be nice if the British government took a couple of them as VIP transport, instead of the A330 they've just repainted. More appropriate for a head of state, since they have four engines... exactly the reason the US is getting the new ones for 'Air Force One'. I did think an A340 would have been a good choice - they'll be going for next to nothing now too - but it would be much more impressive for the Queen (and future King) as well as the Prime Minister to travel on The Queen. If Mr. Johnson really wants to make a statement about Britain's place in the world, what better way than with the Queen of the Skies?


I don't think an image of not being able to adapt to change and hanging onto old inefficient technology sends a positive image. It more so indicates that they are trying to still hold onto the British Empire days which are long gone.


Nothing evokes the Raj more than a Seattle built Boeing????

The A330’s wings and engines are British so that’s probably right and fair, it’s the correct size as well.

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:22 pm
by Andy33
Westerwaelder wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
So sad it ended this way, a distinguished fleet with a great airline. This fleet deserved better, too bad BA didn't reconfigure some by ripping out Club World seats and adding Y seats. IF BA had the will they would have found a way.


I think the problem was they’d just nearly finished refitting the vast majority of the 747’s.


And they don't see the demand coming back quick enough to keep the aging 744s around.

@Arion640 Why would BA have the "will" to keep planes around they can't fill either upfront or down the back? When at the same time they have plenty of right sized planes available? The fact is the 744s are old gas guzzlers and can pay their way only if plenty of premium seats are sold. It sometimes seems if it was up to the people here in this forum, we'd all fly on stratocruisers, Concorde and MD11s... Do you all drive Morris Minors and Ford Capris? :lol:


And since BA had already got plans in place to totally eliminate the 744 from their fleet over the next three years, with the last survivor going in February 2024, why should they make any effort at all to keep them in service when demand has fallen so catastrophically? Replacement planes are on order, some of these were actually delivered over the past few months, others are sufficiently far advanced in production to make deferral impossible. By the time traffic recovers sufficiently to need more planes or seats than the existing 772ER, 77W, 788, 789, A350 and perhaps A380 can provide, more A350s, more 77Ws, and the 787-10s (which were ordered to allow for expansion that isn't going to happen any time soon) will have arrived to help. Eventually the 779s will appear too.
Now if you can tell BA the date on which the entry bans and quarantine requirements which have removed most of the transatlantic travel the 744s have been servicing in recent years will disappear, they might have a better idea of how to manage their fleets, as it is, they do what they can with what information they have.

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 6:02 pm
by Turnhouse1
Andy33 wrote:
Westerwaelder wrote:
Arion640 wrote:

I think the problem was they’d just nearly finished refitting the vast majority of the 747’s.


And they don't see the demand coming back quick enough to keep the aging 744s around.

@Arion640 Why would BA have the "will" to keep planes around they can't fill either upfront or down the back? When at the same time they have plenty of right sized planes available? The fact is the 744s are old gas guzzlers and can pay their way only if plenty of premium seats are sold. It sometimes seems if it was up to the people here in this forum, we'd all fly on stratocruisers, Concorde and MD11s... Do you all drive Morris Minors and Ford Capris? :lol:


And since BA had already got plans in place to totally eliminate the 744 from their fleet over the next three years, with the last survivor going in February 2024, why should they make any effort at all to keep them in service when demand has fallen so catastrophically? Replacement planes are on order, some of these were actually delivered over the past few months, others are sufficiently far advanced in production to make deferral impossible. By the time traffic recovers sufficiently to need more planes or seats than the existing 772ER, 77W, 788, 789, A350 and perhaps A380 can provide, more A350s, more 77Ws, and the 787-10s (which were ordered to allow for expansion that isn't going to happen any time soon) will have arrived to help. Eventually the 779s will appear too.
Now if you can tell BA the date on which the entry bans and quarantine requirements which have removed most of the transatlantic travel the 744s have been servicing in recent years will disappear, they might have a better idea of how to manage their fleets, as it is, they do what they can with what information they have.


Absolutely the case, BA now have 6/18 A350s and 2/12 787-10s, at least one of the A350s and both the 787s arrived during lockdown, there are also 4 77Ws due imminently. With the remaining A350s and 787s, that's 29 widebody aircraft, which they didn't have in March which will arrive before schedules are back to normal, roughly matching the 747s retired. Boeing and Airbus will be quite happy (delighted I suspect) to sell them more planes, and if they need to accelerate deliveries productions schedules are more open than before. The 18 779s can now either be growth, replacing the oldest 777s or replacing the A380s.

The 747's phased withdrawal over that period just got moved forward, slightly sad to see planes go so suddenly, but it's the correct business decision.

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 3:44 am
by B-HOP
na wrote:
NORMAN FOSTER
Farewell to the Boeing 747, the greatest building ever flown.
Modern architecture could learn a lot from its beauty and endurance

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/fare ... -b82gts6c5

If even architect icon Sir Norman Foster sheds a tear over the demise of the 747 then we know something important happened in aviation. Without the 747 civil aviation is becoming a lot duller. A loss of culture.


We expect 744 to be phased out gradually until 2024, with fanfare when it leaves, spotters can still come to Hatton Cross for a few photos, next year would mark 50 years in service for the queen, KL, QF and BA all 1 year short of 50 years in service, without it, I so wish some of the similar aged un-refurbished G-VII class 772ER got the chop and swap with some 744 whom have more than 2 years left. Without Heathrow BA 744, Heathrow would be a different place, ironiclly, the last BA 744 I took photos of in Heathrow last year was G-BNLY Landor, delayed 3 hours ex LAS, without the delay I would have missed it, long loved the queen, you are missed.

Kev

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 7:49 am
by CarbonFibre
Five 747s outside the hangar at Heathrow yesterday. https://flic.kr/p/2jovtn9

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:03 am
by Arion640
Westerwaelder wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
So sad it ended this way, a distinguished fleet with a great airline. This fleet deserved better, too bad BA didn't reconfigure some by ripping out Club World seats and adding Y seats. IF BA had the will they would have found a way.


I think the problem was they’d just nearly finished refitting the vast majority of the 747’s.


And they don't see the demand coming back quick enough to keep the aging 744s around.

@Arion640 Why would BA have the "will" to keep planes around they can't fill either upfront or down the back? When at the same time they have plenty of right sized planes available? The fact is the 744s are old gas guzzlers and can pay their way only if plenty of premium seats are sold. It sometimes seems if it was up to the people here in this forum, we'd all fly on stratocruisers, Concorde and MD11s... Do you all drive Morris Minors and Ford Capris? :lol:


Not my point at all, the poster suggested refurbishing them, they’ve just been refurbished!

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 9:02 am
by jumpjets
At least the BA 744s had a bit of a swansong with the repainting of three of them into 'heritage' livery for last year's anniversary celebrations. Maybe a little flypast of four 744s in the BOAC, Negus, Landor and current [chatham dockyard?] liveries over Heathrow one afternoon could be arranged just to give her a proper farewell. It may be too late of course, I a not sure where the heritage painted planes are now.

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:44 am
by concordeforever
jumpjets wrote:
At least the BA 744s had a bit of a swansong with the repainting of three of them into 'heritage' livery for last year's anniversary celebrations. Maybe a little flypast of four 744s in the BOAC, Negus, Landor and current [chatham dockyard?] liveries over Heathrow one afternoon could be arranged just to give her a proper farewell. It may be too late of course, I a not sure where the heritage painted planes are now.


BOAC and Landor are at Cardiff, Negus is currently at Heathrow.

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:53 pm
by Western727
There goes the (slim) chance of seeing the 744 at AUS again. I see BA is slated to restart AUS service in September on the 351 before changing to the 772 later in the fall season. Therein lies the future of commercial aviation: twinjets.

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:16 pm
by Revelation
jfk777 wrote:
So sad it ended this way, a distinguished fleet with a great airline. This fleet deserved better, too bad BA didn't reconfigure some by ripping out Club World seats and adding Y seats. IF BA had the will they would have found a way.

That's life. 9/11/2001 killed the 747 Classics, COVID-19 is killing the 744s. The now deleted internal email said 744 had 25% worse fuel burn than the replacements. It isn't about will, it is about math.

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 11:34 pm
by Opus99
Revelation wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
So sad it ended this way, a distinguished fleet with a great airline. This fleet deserved better, too bad BA didn't reconfigure some by ripping out Club World seats and adding Y seats. IF BA had the will they would have found a way.

That's life. 9/11/2001 killed the 747 Classics, COVID-19 is killing the 744s. The now deleted internal email said 744 had 25% worse fuel burn than the replacements. It isn't about will, it is about math.

25% at worst. The 35K is pushing 38%. Definitely about math.

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2020 7:55 am
by Arion640
Interesting petition to try and preserve a BA 747.

https://www.change.org/p/british-airway ... o-a-museum

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 5:44 pm
by lhrnue
Has BA started to fly out the remaining 747s from Heathrow. The taxiway cul-de-sac along the Eastern Perimeter Road seems to clear out at a rate of one 747 per day.

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:33 pm
by Sooner787
I'm still holding out hope the 3 retro 744's will find their ways to aviation museums.

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:35 pm
by concordeforever
lhrnue wrote:
Has BA started to fly out the remaining 747s from Heathrow. The taxiway cul-de-sac along the Eastern Perimeter Road seems to clear out at a rate of one 747 per day.


They've been shifting them around the maintenance area this week, but all 9 are still currently at Heathrow. First ones expected to leave next week.

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:31 pm
by CarbonFibre
lhrnue wrote:
Has BA started to fly out the remaining 747s from Heathrow. The taxiway cul-de-sac along the Eastern Perimeter Road seems to clear out at a rate of one 747 per day.


They moved a few briefly so they could get a 777 out. https://flic.kr/p/2jrsRMM

As mentioned, they will start leaving next week.

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Sat Aug 01, 2020 3:22 pm
by frmrCapCadet
Psychology note: humans impute value to themselves, in varying degrees to other people, and to things. Hoarders impute value to things to a degree most of us find debilitating. So us aviation nuts control this by supporting air museums, and perhaps model planes in our hide-aways. It is sad to see the last 747 passenger models going out of service, I value seeing (but not meeting) Sutter at a Seattle Town Hall presentation.

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:04 pm
by PoleHillSid
6th Aug 15:00 UK time

G-XLEK appears to be flying as BA9176 CHR-LHR (per FR24).

[EDIT: Upon further investigation into CHR movements, it appears that this is not an exciting return of the BA long haul fleet, but that a number of BA 380’s have made similar trips CHR-LHR-CHR over the past weeks.]

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 2:29 pm
by imag
Does anyone know when BA plan on flying the 747s out of Heathrow, which specific days? It would be great to go watch (even one), if we know when.

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:25 pm
by uta999
When these five 744's get to leave LHR, they should each fly a couple of circuits and simultaneously do a few touch and goes off 27L and 27R.

The BOAC 744 flying from Cardiff could join, straight down the middle over the tower waving her wings.

The goodwill and PR would more than make up for the cost.

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:44 pm
by Bhoy
uta999 wrote:
When these five 744's get to leave LHR, they should each fly a couple of circuits and simultaneously do a few touch and goes off 27L and 27R.

The BOAC 744 flying from Cardiff could join, straight down the middle over the tower waving her wings.

The goodwill and PR would more than make up for the cost.

Is one Runway not still closed due to the lack of traffic?

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:53 pm
by Special
Bhoy wrote:
uta999 wrote:
When these five 744's get to leave LHR, they should each fly a couple of circuits and simultaneously do a few touch and goes off 27L and 27R.

The BOAC 744 flying from Cardiff could join, straight down the middle over the tower waving her wings.

The goodwill and PR would more than make up for the cost.

Is one Runway not still closed due to the lack of traffic?


Both runways are back in operation for majority of the day. If I remember correctly, the Southern runway gets closed at particular times for maintenance work

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:38 pm
by concordeforever
27L has reopened during the day, but is closed from 8pm until 7 am overnight Monday to Friday until at least September, maybe longer depending on how the work progresses.

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 3:29 pm
by Ishrion
G-CIVD will be the first of 31 to be retired early. It'll depart LHR tomorrow at 9 AM.

https://mediacentre.britishairways.com/ ... jumbo-jets

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 5:04 pm
by Bealine251
G-CIVH Was seen on flightradar24 today. It appeared to be moving on the ground but didn't fly. I flew on that one last November and it was due to be retired a couple of months ago. Anyone know when it will leave Heathrow?

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 6:41 pm
by FlyCaledonian
uta999 wrote:
When these five 744's get to leave LHR, they should each fly a couple of circuits and simultaneously do a few touch and goes off 27L and 27R.

The BOAC 744 flying from Cardiff could join, straight down the middle over the tower waving her wings.

The goodwill and PR would more than make up for the cost.

Nice idea but with the state of industrial relations at BA currently, with IAG insisting the lay-offs and contract changes are necessary for the survival of BA, spending a load of money on a send-off of even the iconic 747 will generate very little goodwill within BA. Plus I could see a PR backlash - stories of ex-crew unable to pay their mortgage versus cash-strapped BA putting on fly pasts.

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 7:48 pm
by ILNFlyer
Revelation wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
So sad it ended this way, a distinguished fleet with a great airline. This fleet deserved better, too bad BA didn't reconfigure some by ripping out Club World seats and adding Y seats. IF BA had the will they would have found a way.

That's life. 9/11/2001 killed the 747 Classics, COVID-19 is killing the 744s. The now deleted internal email said 744 had 25% worse fuel burn than the replacements. It isn't about will, it is about math.


Too bad you cant snag a couple of those new business seats for the office when they start pulling them all out at the scrappers.

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 8:53 pm
by Opus99
FlyCaledonian wrote:
uta999 wrote:
When these five 744's get to leave LHR, they should each fly a couple of circuits and simultaneously do a few touch and goes off 27L and 27R.

The BOAC 744 flying from Cardiff could join, straight down the middle over the tower waving her wings.

The goodwill and PR would more than make up for the cost.

Nice idea but with the state of industrial relations at BA currently, with IAG insisting the lay-offs and contract changes are necessary for the survival of BA, spending a load of money on a send-off of even the iconic 747 will generate very little goodwill within BA. Plus I could see a PR backlash - stories of ex-crew unable to pay their mortgage versus cash-strapped BA putting on fly pasts.

Yup! People, we are getting a wing wave at best

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:12 pm
by LHA320
Ishrion wrote:
G-CIVD will be the first of 31 to be retired early. It'll depart LHR tomorrow at 9 AM.

https://mediacentre.britishairways.com/ ... jumbo-jets


Any news on it's destination? DGX? EGBP? TEV?

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:15 pm
by bennett123
https://www.facebook.com/groups/KembleEGBP

Apparently G-CIVD is going to Castellon.

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:17 pm
by Ishrion
LHA320 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
G-CIVD will be the first of 31 to be retired early. It'll depart LHR tomorrow at 9 AM.

https://mediacentre.britishairways.com/ ... jumbo-jets


Any news on it's destination? DGX? EGBP? TEV?


Castellón: https://twitter.com/AirportWebcams/stat ... 9778829312

Re: Updated: BA fleet parking, will retire 747 fleet

Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2020 9:28 pm
by LHA320
Ishrion wrote:
LHA320 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
G-CIVD will be the first of 31 to be retired early. It'll depart LHR tomorrow at 9 AM.

https://mediacentre.britishairways.com/ ... jumbo-jets


Any news on it's destination? DGX? EGBP? TEV?


Castellón: https://twitter.com/AirportWebcams/stat ... 9778829312


Thanks!
Wow, Castellón is getting a lot of aircraft these days.

First ever GE-powered 777 (G-ZZZA) retired

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:26 pm
by MoKa777
Interesting (and short) FG write-up about the first ever GE-powered 777, a -200A model of BA with registration G-ZZZA, being retired.

https://www.flightglobal.com/fleets/fir ... 37.article

Re: First ever GE-powered 777 (G-ZZZA) retired

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 9:35 pm
by airportugal310
Game changer of an airplane and engine platform!

Re: First ever GE-powered 777 (G-ZZZA) retired

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:10 pm
by lightsaber
I now feel old.
A sad time when 777s cannot find a 2nd home.

Lightsaber

Re: First ever GE-powered 777 (G-ZZZA) retired

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:32 pm
by Spacepope
It's one of the very few 777s out there with more than 100,000 hours. G-INFO has it at 100,357 as of the beginning of May. UA's early ones for example are just a few thousand hours south of that.

Re: First ever GE-powered 777 (G-ZZZA) retired

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 10:36 pm
by MoKa777
lightsaber wrote:
I now feel old.


Only now..?

(Hahaha I'm kidding)

lightsaber wrote:
A sad time when 777s cannot find a 2nd home.

Lightsaber


Well, this was a 25 year old "A" model with over 100,000 hours and 20,000 cycles. I'm glad the old girl made it this far. This crises will not be good to her ER and Second Generation siblings even 10 years younger. Sad time indeed...

Re: First ever GE-powered 777 (G-ZZZA) retired

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2020 11:00 pm
by MoKa777
Spacepope wrote:
It's one of the very few 777s out there with more than 100,000 hours. G-INFO has it at 100,357 as of the beginning of May. UA's early ones for example are just a few thousand hours south of that.


G-INFO is a really great site that I never knew existed. Thanks for pointing to it.

https://siteapps.caa.co.uk/g-info/ for anyone interested in checking it out.