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Unalaska/Dutch Harbor DUT/PADU now that 7H-Ravn/Penair is shut down

Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:55 pm

Penair previously operated Anchorage, AK to Dutch Harbor/Unalaska (DUT/PADU) using its fleet of 34 Saab 340B - bookable only to 26/27 passengers, and then upgraded to the Saab 2000 with barely 40 passengers. After the S20 overrun, Penair stopped flying and Ravn operated the route using its Dash 8-200s (not sure of capacity on those birds, but it probably wasn't bookable to 37!).

Since 7H has recently filed for Chapter 11 and bankruptcy, what are the best options for the future for this market?

Ravn thread had some discussions - including the use of Horizon E175s and others. Q400 apparently has a wingspan issue. Also wondering if there's a weight issue.

ANC-DUT is 792 miles

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Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:15 pm

Interesting topic.

I know DUT had 732 Combi service in the past, and I am assuming that an E175 could potentially make the flight. Is ANC-DUT subsidized under EAS? I couldn't find data that said that it was. I just can't see AS moving a Horizon E175 up to ANC to solely work that flight. Didn't the Q400s also have issues when they flew in AK previously?
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Re: Unalaska/Dutch Harbor DUT/PADU now that 7H-Ravn/Penair is shut down

Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:16 pm

This is definitely a problem. DUT is a big commercial fishing port.
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Re: Unalaska/Dutch Harbor DUT/PADU now that 7H-Ravn/Penair is shut down

Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:34 pm

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Q400 apparently has a wingspan issue.


I can't speak to the wingspan issue, but (assuming no terrain) the DH4 ought to be able to get out of DUT and to ANC with a decent payload on dry days. For context, it's 500 feet more runway than YTZ, which has full - albeit shorter - DH4 flights on a regular basis.
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Re: Unalaska/Dutch Harbor DUT/PADU now that 7H-Ravn/Penair is shut down

Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:07 pm

Dutch Harbor is not a "subsidized" EAS market. Alaska always ran it as a "capacity purchase agreement" with PenAir for the past 10 years (or more?).
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Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:22 pm

What about empire under Alaska code? They already have an operation in anchorage. They could move a couple passenger atrs.
 
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Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:24 pm

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usxguy wrote:
Q400 apparently has a wingspan issue.


I can't speak to the wingspan issue, but (assuming no terrain) the DH4 ought to be able to get out of DUT and to ANC with a decent payload on dry days. For context, it's 500 feet more runway than YTZ, which has full - albeit shorter - DH4 flights on a regular basis.

The first useable alternate for dut is CDB almost an hour away. If cdb isn’t good weather you have to all the way to akn! Which is 2 hours.
 
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Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:30 pm

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Cubsrule wrote:
usxguy wrote:
Q400 apparently has a wingspan issue.


I can't speak to the wingspan issue, but (assuming no terrain) the DH4 ought to be able to get out of DUT and to ANC with a decent payload on dry days. For context, it's 500 feet more runway than YTZ, which has full - albeit shorter - DH4 flights on a regular basis.

The first useable alternate for dut is CDB almost an hour away. If cdb isn’t good weather you have to all the way to akn! Which is 2 hours.


Obviously bad weather days will be challenging, but when dealing with a runway that short that’s likely true with any transport-category airplane.
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Re: Unalaska/Dutch Harbor DUT/PADU now that 7H-Ravn/Penair is shut down

Mon Apr 06, 2020 10:41 pm

https://www.ktuu.com/content/news/Alask ... 15851.html

So apparently Alaska airlines is planing service to cold bay. 2020 is wild.
 
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https://www.ktuu.com/content/news/Alaska-Airlines-to-host-a-job-fair-for-Ravn-employees-outlines-plans-in-response-to-Ravn-suspension-of-service-569415851.html

So apparently Alaska airlines is planing service to cold bay. 2020 is wild.


Since AS is into tag flights to keep as many cities served, would AS ever consider ANC-DUT-CDB-ANC? Would there be any operational advantage. I am completely unfamiliar with how the surface transport options are, having never been to either place.
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Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:33 pm

My dad worked for AS in there ops department during the early to mid 2000s, right at the tail end of them serving DUT with the 200 combi. Those flights used to drive him crazy because there would be multiply days/weeks in a row where they couldn’t get into DUT do the weather mins, and then they’d have to re-accommodate all the pax. I know there’s no way for AS to start service into today with any of there mainline aircraft, but DUT dose seem like the perfect candidate for a Juneau style RNP approach.
 
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Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:41 pm

RWA380 wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
https://www.ktuu.com/content/news/Alaska-Airlines-to-host-a-job-fair-for-Ravn-employees-outlines-plans-in-response-to-Ravn-suspension-of-service-569415851.html

So apparently Alaska airlines is planing service to cold bay. 2020 is wild.


Since AS is into tag flights to keep as many cities served, would AS ever consider ANC-DUT-CDB-ANC? Would there be any operational advantage. I am completely unfamiliar with how the surface transport options are, having never been to either place.

The are going to cdb so they can serve dut with grant. And probably sdp too. You can’t fly a 737 into dut.
 
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Mon Apr 06, 2020 11:56 pm

I got it. The USN is retiring P-3s, so get one of those and kit it out for pax ops.

Hey, RV used to run Electras into DUT...
 
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Re: Unalaska/Dutch Harbor DUT/PADU now that 7H-Ravn/Penair is shut down

Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:52 am

32andBelow wrote:
RWA380 wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
https://www.ktuu.com/content/news/Alaska-Airlines-to-host-a-job-fair-for-Ravn-employees-outlines-plans-in-response-to-Ravn-suspension-of-service-569415851.html

So apparently Alaska airlines is planing service to cold bay. 2020 is wild.


Since AS is into tag flights to keep as many cities served, would AS ever consider ANC-DUT-CDB-ANC? Would there be any operational advantage. I am completely unfamiliar with how the surface transport options are, having never been to either place.

The are going to cdb so they can serve dut with grant. And probably sdp too. You can’t fly a 737 into dut.


I wonder, with this new development, if ADK will turn in to a tag either from CDB or AKN.
 
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32andBelow wrote:
RWA380 wrote:

Since AS is into tag flights to keep as many cities served, would AS ever consider ANC-DUT-CDB-ANC? Would there be any operational advantage. I am completely unfamiliar with how the surface transport options are, having never been to either place.

The are going to cdb so they can serve dut with grant. And probably sdp too. You can’t fly a 737 into dut.


I wonder, with this new development, if ADK will turn in to a tag either from CDB or AKN.

They probably cant under the current EAS but they could bid it this way next time! They could do a winter milk run all the way down the chain. They can bid for the contract for shemya too!
 
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Tue Apr 07, 2020 1:06 am

32andBelow wrote:
Chugach wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
The are going to cdb so they can serve dut with grant. And probably sdp too. You can’t fly a 737 into dut.


I wonder, with this new development, if ADK will turn in to a tag either from CDB or AKN.

They probably cant under the current EAS but they could bid it this way next time! They could do a winter milk run all the way down the chain. They can bid for the contract for shemya too!


Shemya has a contract?
 
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32andBelow wrote:
Chugach wrote:

I wonder, with this new development, if ADK will turn in to a tag either from CDB or AKN.

They probably cant under the current EAS but they could bid it this way next time! They could do a winter milk run all the way down the chain. They can bid for the contract for shemya too!


Shemya has a contract?

Yah there’s workers that go out there on private jets basically.
 
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Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:59 am

Insofar as QX is concerned...I have to wonder if it would be wise to use any DH8Ds that they haven't scrapped and send them out to be converted to a combi conversion for milk runs around Alaska? These could then be transferred to a different operating company using the 7H AOC if 7H doesn't resume operations (the AOC being the most significant asset as that would permit the use of unprotected gates).
 
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Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:41 am

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Insofar as QX is concerned...I have to wonder if it would be wise to use any DH8Ds that they haven't scrapped and send them out to be converted to a combi conversion for milk runs around Alaska? These could then be transferred to a different operating company using the 7H AOC if 7H doesn't resume operations (the AOC being the most significant asset as that would permit the use of unprotected gates).

Unprotected gates? Any airline in Alaska can operate 50 seats or less without TSA. It’s a tes Stevens exemption.
 
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Sounds like a job for the DHC Dash-7. If you can find one.
 
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Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:26 pm

32andBelow wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
Insofar as QX is concerned...I have to wonder if it would be wise to use any DH8Ds that they haven't scrapped and send them out to be converted to a combi conversion for milk runs around Alaska? These could then be transferred to a different operating company using the 7H AOC if 7H doesn't resume operations (the AOC being the most significant asset as that would permit the use of unprotected gates).

Unprotected gates? Any airline in Alaska can operate 50 seats or less without TSA. It’s a tes Stevens exemption.


Hence the idea for a DH8D combi---they would be limited to 50 seats as the rest of the frame would be dedicated for cargo and milk runs. I had thought it was connected to the AOC.
 
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Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:34 pm

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32andBelow wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
Insofar as QX is concerned...I have to wonder if it would be wise to use any DH8Ds that they haven't scrapped and send them out to be converted to a combi conversion for milk runs around Alaska? These could then be transferred to a different operating company using the 7H AOC if 7H doesn't resume operations (the AOC being the most significant asset as that would permit the use of unprotected gates).

Unprotected gates? Any airline in Alaska can operate 50 seats or less without TSA. It’s a tes Stevens exemption.


Hence the idea for a DH8D combi---they would be limited to 50 seats as the rest of the frame would be dedicated for cargo and milk runs. I had thought it was connected to the AOC.

You couldn’t run a full load into dut with a -8. You’d be looking at 50 seats and normal cargo most likely.
 
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aemoreira1981 wrote:
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Unprotected gates? Any airline in Alaska can operate 50 seats or less without TSA. It’s a tes Stevens exemption.


Hence the idea for a DH8D combi---they would be limited to 50 seats as the rest of the frame would be dedicated for cargo and milk runs. I had thought it was connected to the AOC.

You couldn’t run a full load into dut with a -8. You’d be looking at 50 seats and normal cargo most likely.


50 seats is as much as you can sell on a Dash 8-Q400 combi, as you only have 50 seats available (that's the Ryukyu Air Commuter configuration in Japan). That also keeps the model at only one flight attendant being needed. The question might be how much cargo would be restricted to get off the runway, or if the first pair of seats is blocked off, as the takeoff distance at MTOW is just a bit longer than the runway at Unalaska.
 
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32andBelow wrote:
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Hence the idea for a DH8D combi---they would be limited to 50 seats as the rest of the frame would be dedicated for cargo and milk runs. I had thought it was connected to the AOC.

You couldn’t run a full load into dut with a -8. You’d be looking at 50 seats and normal cargo most likely.


50 seats is as much as you can sell on a Dash 8-Q400 combi, as you only have 50 seats available (that's the Ryukyu Air Commuter configuration in Japan). That also keeps the model at only one flight attendant being needed. The question might be how much cargo would be restricted to get off the runway, or if the first pair of seats is blocked off, as the takeoff distance at MTOW is just a bit longer than the runway at Unalaska.

If you restrict the seats and then load the rest with cargo then you totally negate you initial weight limitation. The biggest problem with dut is landing on contaminated runway and you closest alternate being 45 minutes flying time from dut.
 
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Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:00 pm

Since Ravn is looking to shed the leases on the S2000s, I wonder if there's any remote chance that AS would pick those up and certify them to QX to resume the PenAir/Ravn flying. I don't think it's overly likely, but you never know.
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Since Ravn is looking to shed the leases on the S2000s, I wonder if there's any remote chance that AS would pick those up and certify them to QX to resume the PenAir/Ravn flying. I don't think it's overly likely, but you never know.

Why would they do this? They could have just bailed out Penair 2 years ago but chose not to
 
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Re: Unalaska/Dutch Harbor DUT/PADU now that 7H-Ravn/Penair is shut down

Wed Apr 08, 2020 11:42 pm

Didn't Alaska submit a bid in the BK court for Penair but was outbid?
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Didn't Alaska submit a bid in the BK court for Penair but was outbid?


It was an approved bidder but elected not to bid. The only other bidder was Wexford Capital.
 
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Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:39 am

An investment in ATRs seems promising, they certainly have sufficient legs and capacity. Runway length will be no issue for the new STOL varient currently in development.
 
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Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:22 am

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An investment in ATRs seems promising, they certainly have sufficient legs and capacity. Runway length will be no issue for the new STOL varient currently in development.


AS has traditionally not been keen on introducing mew types of aircraft to the fleet, as I believe they have had some bad luck with that in the past. With the current environment they will be even less interested in introducing a new fleet type. I would think if they wanted to DUT direct from ANC they would subcontract the SAAB 2000, once the accident investigation is completed and it is cleared to fly to DUT, to one of the remaining companies.
 
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An investment in ATRs seems promising, they certainly have sufficient legs and capacity. Runway length will be no issue for the new STOL varient currently in development.

I said somewhere else empire could bring some pax atrs up and do a codeshare with Alaska. They already have a pilot base and a cargo atr here.
 
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I would think if they wanted to DUT direct from ANC they would subcontract the SAAB 2000, once the accident investigation is completed and it is cleared to fly to DUT, to one of the remaining companies.

Except those SAABs are a part of Ravn Air Group. They may well not be available.

Is there any problem with a Q400 going from Dutch to Cold Bay? DUT-CDB-ANC would require less fuel at DUT, presumably making for a lighter aircraft.
 
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Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:27 am

If they could get a hold of them, could Horizon fly Ravn's -200's on the route using their own pilots (or Ravn's, bet they're not doing anything else)? Just thinking company familiarity with the type would make that more likely than them flying the SAABs.

FWIW, the Q400 wingspan is 3'-3" more than the -200, evidently that's all it takes for the Q400 to have an issue...
 
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Thu Apr 09, 2020 3:31 am

The B1900 can do it. ACE flies cargo in there with them still?
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I would think if they wanted to DUT direct from ANC they would subcontract the SAAB 2000, once the accident investigation is completed and it is cleared to fly to DUT, to one of the remaining companies.

Except those SAABs are a part of Ravn Air Group. They may well not be available.

Is there any problem with a Q400 going from Dutch to Cold Bay? DUT-CDB-ANC would require less fuel at DUT, presumably making for a lighter aircraft.


The only problem with the Q out of DUT would be the 4675 take off distance at MTOW. A stop in CDB would probably take care of that but I don't have enough knowledge to accurately speak to that. The bigger hurdle to that flight would be convincing AS to bring the Q back up to Alaska. They wouldn't bring it up for just one route and I think they remember the backlash they got the last time they tried the Q in Alaska. Long story short in Alaska AS is 737 or nothing.
 
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Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:23 am

You guys keep talking about taking off at dut. The problem is landing with a couple hours of fuel left on a short runway covered in ice. When they go back they don’t have to take all their alternate fuel as anchorage doesn’t usually need an alternate and if it does it is way closer.
 
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I would think if they wanted to DUT direct from ANC they would subcontract the SAAB 2000, once the accident investigation is completed and it is cleared to fly to DUT, to one of the remaining companies.

Except those SAABs are a part of Ravn Air Group. They may well not be available.

Is there any problem with a Q400 going from Dutch to Cold Bay? DUT-CDB-ANC would require less fuel at DUT, presumably making for a lighter aircraft.


The only problem with the Q out of DUT would be the 4675 take off distance at MTOW. A stop in CDB would probably take care of that but I don't have enough knowledge to accurately speak to that. The bigger hurdle to that flight would be convincing AS to bring the Q back up to Alaska. They wouldn't bring it up for just one route and I think they remember the backlash they got the last time they tried the Q in Alaska. Long story short in Alaska AS is 737 or nothing.

E175s could def work in Alaska. And they can do flights to the lower 48 so they wouldn’t need a crew base necessarily
 
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Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:24 am

I figure AS would step-up somehow, they obviously know the value of Cold Bay and Dutch Harbor because everyone flew on their metal domestically to connect to Ravn or Penair. If this were normal times I almost figure DL would consider taking advantage of the Ravn shutdown, but AS right there with all the codeshare history and they also have Horizon Qs. Ideally I would love to see an E175 at DUT even if they do a tag-on.

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The B1900 can do it. ACE flies cargo in there with them still?


Too small for the passenger market. Ravn was already struggling to keep capacity going with DH8 since they didn't have anything else to use, Penair Saab was barred pending the investigation, although it is true they didn't have enough frames to maintain the markets after that loss.
 
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Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:49 am

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Except those SAABs are a part of Ravn Air Group. They may well not be available.

Is there any problem with a Q400 going from Dutch to Cold Bay? DUT-CDB-ANC would require less fuel at DUT, presumably making for a lighter aircraft.


The only problem with the Q out of DUT would be the 4675 take off distance at MTOW. A stop in CDB would probably take care of that but I don't have enough knowledge to accurately speak to that. The bigger hurdle to that flight would be convincing AS to bring the Q back up to Alaska. They wouldn't bring it up for just one route and I think they remember the backlash they got the last time they tried the Q in Alaska. Long story short in Alaska AS is 737 or nothing.

E175s could def work in Alaska. And they can do flights to the lower 48 so they wouldn’t need a crew base necessarily


Which works until the E175 goes tech and AS gets egg on their face just like their did with the Q since tech support and any spares will be in SEA. Therefore the best solution for AS is to do what they have, send the 737 to CDB and let someone like grant
take care of DUT.
 
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32andBelow wrote:
gmcc wrote:

The only problem with the Q out of DUT would be the 4675 take off distance at MTOW. A stop in CDB would probably take care of that but I don't have enough knowledge to accurately speak to that. The bigger hurdle to that flight would be convincing AS to bring the Q back up to Alaska. They wouldn't bring it up for just one route and I think they remember the backlash they got the last time they tried the Q in Alaska. Long story short in Alaska AS is 737 or nothing.

E175s could def work in Alaska. And they can do flights to the lower 48 so they wouldn’t need a crew base necessarily


Which works until the E175 goes tech and AS gets egg on their face just like their did with the Q since tech support and any spares will be in SEA. Therefore the best solution for AS is to do what they have, send the 737 to CDB and let someone like grant
take care of DUT.

If a 737 goes tech in cdb it’s going to be there a while.
 
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Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:34 pm

Too bad Alaska Air Group doesn't take them over. It could be a source of future pilots and F/A ??
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Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:00 pm

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Which works until the E175 goes tech and AS gets egg on their face just like their did with the Q since tech support and any spares will be in SEA.


This isn't a tech problem - it's just a money problem. Sen Lisa Murkowski will be sure to make federal funds available to fix any money problem. Being a little facetious: They can write the RFP to have an E75 make daily runs, keep a spare E75 at ANC, and keep 10 crew members at ANC in five different hotels so crews don't cross-contaminate. Just tell us how much $.

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Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:02 pm

sunking737 wrote:
Too bad Alaska Air Group doesn't take them over. It could be a source of future pilots and F/A ??


Why? AS has all the pilots and FAs it could possibly need for the next 18 months. Why bother with seniority integration issues? Just hire them as needed at year 1 scale.
 
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Re: Unalaska/Dutch Harbor DUT/PADU now that 7H-Ravn/Penair is shut down

Thu Apr 09, 2020 5:48 pm

32andBelow wrote:
gmcc wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
E175s could def work in Alaska. And they can do flights to the lower 48 so they wouldn’t need a crew base necessarily


Which works until the E175 goes tech and AS gets egg on their face just like their did with the Q since tech support and any spares will be in SEA. Therefore the best solution for AS is to do what they have, send the 737 to CDB and let someone like grant
take care of DUT.

If a 737 goes tech in cdb it’s going to be there a while.


True of most bush stations.

A couple years ago I was on AS65 in WRG. We went on a maintenance hold for some reason. There are no 737 mechanics in WRG, but apparently there is one in Petersburg. This mechanic got in his private plane and flew from PSG to WRG to fix our plane, which took about 10 minutes once he got there. Just another day in Alaska aviation.
 
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Re: Unalaska/Dutch Harbor DUT/PADU now that 7H-Ravn/Penair is shut down

Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:41 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
gmcc wrote:
Which works until the E175 goes tech and AS gets egg on their face just like their did with the Q since tech support and any spares will be in SEA.


This isn't a tech problem - it's just a money problem. Sen Lisa Murkowski will be sure to make federal funds available to fix any money problem. Being a little facetious: They can write the RFP to have an E75 make daily runs, keep a spare E75 at ANC, and keep 10 crew members at ANC in five different hotels so crews don't cross-contaminate. Just tell us how much $.

Her nuclear weapon: Maybe I should be caucusing with the Democrats.


Not to get too political, Senator Murkowski does get double privilege while running as an R as long as her votes doesn't screw the caucus over, and she is quite a deal maker with Leader McConnell so there is that. I'm surprised DUT hasn't become essential service yet, but it could be coming if AS doesn't do something themselves.

After the Penair accident DUT capacity has been a real problem along with charter operations going up ten-fold.
 
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Thu Apr 09, 2020 8:26 pm

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I'm surprised DUT hasn't become essential service yet, but it could be coming if AS doesn't do something themselves.



Dutch Harbor does have an essential air service determination: 5-6 weekly departures to ANC. Its EAS is not subsidized.
 
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Thu Apr 09, 2020 9:34 pm

MO11 wrote:
Lootess wrote:
I'm surprised DUT hasn't become essential service yet, but it could be coming if AS doesn't do something themselves.



Dutch Harbor does have an essential air service determination: 5-6 weekly departures to ANC. Its EAS is not subsidized.


My point is it could and should be if the Senator wanted it pushed. But it'll probably never come down to that since AS doesn't want to get forced into the situation.
 
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Re: Unalaska/Dutch Harbor DUT/PADU now that 7H-Ravn/Penair is shut down

Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:03 am

I heard ravn got their bailout
 
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Re: Unalaska/Dutch Harbor DUT/PADU now that 7H-Ravn/Penair is shut down

Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:09 am

32andBelow wrote:
I heard ravn got their bailout

By who???
 
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Re: Unalaska/Dutch Harbor DUT/PADU now that 7H-Ravn/Penair is shut down

Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:37 pm

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32andBelow wrote:
I heard ravn got their bailout

By who???

The feds I believe

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