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Re: ELAL temporarily ceases ops

Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:36 am

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Where exactly were the political posts? I could see none above your comments above?
 
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Re: ELAL temporarily ceases ops

Sat Jul 04, 2020 8:44 am

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Where exactly were the political posts? I could see none above your comments above?

I'm guessing they were deleted, hence the warning.
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Re: ELAL temporarily ceases ops

Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:18 pm

One of the prior posters asked what the situation is at TLV. I replied with data re new infections in the country and that post and a few back and forth replies were deleted as not being directly related to aviation.

More related to aviation TLV director calls for opening skies even with corona. He states that point of no return approaches.


https://www.timesofisrael.com/airport-c ... no-return/


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Re: ELAL temporarily ceases ops

Sat Jul 04, 2020 3:29 pm

Don't know if it is considered a political post, but just wanted to ask this one.

El Al is used by the military to haul a lot of vital goods from the US to Israel. Can Israel afford to lose El Al? And if not, can we expect a bailout soon, like it has happened in a number of European cases? El Al just seem to be more a lifeline than other national airlines because of the status and the countries surrounding Israel.

If not appropriate, please delete it.
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Re: ELAL temporarily ceases ops

Sat Jul 04, 2020 4:17 pm

Dutchy wrote:
Don't know if it is considered a political post, but just wanted to ask this one.

El Al is used by the military to haul a lot of vital goods from the US to Israel. Can Israel afford to lose El Al? And if not, can we expect a bailout soon, like it has happened in a number of European cases? El Al just seem to be more a lifeline than other national airlines because of the status and the countries surrounding Israel.

If not appropriate, please delete it.

This whole thing is weird. Israel won’t let el al fail. And if they do they’ll just move the assets to a new company which is basically the same.
 
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Re: ELAL temporarily ceases ops

Mon Jul 06, 2020 4:56 pm

reports in the local press that el al accepted a government bailout that includes the government reassuming control
(by purchase of stock not taken by public which should get them a controlling share)
and sell off of some 737s and dropping non profitable routes
will try to get article link
 
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Re: ELAL temporarily ceases ops

Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:15 pm

Article re last post from times of Israel


https://www.timesofisrael.com/el-al-acc ... ionalized/


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Re: ELAL temporarily ceases ops

Mon Jul 06, 2020 5:17 pm

It’s crazy that they aren’t even doing a 3x weekly TLVJFK to keep the link going.
 
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Re: ELAL temporarily ceases ops

Mon Jul 06, 2020 7:21 pm

Good news for VS and their plans to keep LHR-TLV going
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Re: ELAL temporarily ceases ops

Mon Jul 06, 2020 7:56 pm

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It’s crazy that they aren’t even doing a 3x weekly TLVJFK to keep the link going.


It is a bit odd ElAl isn't trying that but I guess they know what they are capable of right now. Good for UA I guess daily EWR-TLV is being complimented by a three times a week SFO-TLV.
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Re: ELAL temporarily ceases ops

Mon Jul 06, 2020 8:02 pm

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32andBelow wrote:
It’s crazy that they aren’t even doing a 3x weekly TLVJFK to keep the link going.


It is a bit odd ElAl isn't trying that but I guess they know what they are capable of right now. Good for UA I guess daily EWR-TLV is being complimented by a three times a week SFO-TLV.

I bet they restart it quickly with the bailout. I can’t see the government wants their flag carrier off this particular route.
 
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Re: ELAL temporarily ceases ops

Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:00 pm

32andBelow wrote:
United1 wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
It’s crazy that they aren’t even doing a 3x weekly TLVJFK to keep the link going.


It is a bit odd ElAl isn't trying that but I guess they know what they are capable of right now. Good for UA I guess daily EWR-TLV is being complimented by a three times a week SFO-TLV.

I bet they restart it quickly with the bailout. I can’t see the government wants their flag carrier off this particular route.


I agree ElAl will be back to NYC....if they can't make JFK/EWR work they can make anything work.

I haven't seen it announced officially but a UA insider posted that UA plans on launching three times a week ORD-TLV and will increase EWR-TLV up to 10 times a week this fall. UA is really pushing hard into TLV...that is going to make it harder to ElAl to sustainably launch flights.
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Re: ELAL temporarily ceases ops

Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:21 pm

United1 wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
United1 wrote:

It is a bit odd ElAl isn't trying that but I guess they know what they are capable of right now. Good for UA I guess daily EWR-TLV is being complimented by a three times a week SFO-TLV.

I bet they restart it quickly with the bailout. I can’t see the government wants their flag carrier off this particular route.


I agree ElAl will be back to NYC....if they can't make JFK/EWR work they can make anything work.

I haven't seen it announced officially but a UA insider posted that UA plans on launching three times a week ORD-TLV and will increase EWR-TLV up to 10 times a week this fall. UA is really pushing hard into TLV...that is going to make it harder to ElAl to sustainably launch flights.

El Al needs to be on NYCTLV wether it makes money or not.
 
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Re: ELAL temporarily ceases ops

Mon Jul 06, 2020 11:52 pm

United1 wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
United1 wrote:

It is a bit odd ElAl isn't trying that but I guess they know what they are capable of right now. Good for UA I guess daily EWR-TLV is being complimented by a three times a week SFO-TLV.

I bet they restart it quickly with the bailout. I can’t see the government wants their flag carrier off this particular route.


I agree ElAl will be back to NYC....if they can't make JFK/EWR work they can make anything work.

I haven't seen it announced officially but a UA insider posted that UA plans on launching three times a week ORD-TLV and will increase EWR-TLV up to 10 times a week this fall. UA is really pushing hard into TLV...that is going to make it harder to ElAl to sustainably launch flights.


El Al will come back with a vengeance. No way will the Israelis allow United to push El Al into oblivion.
 
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Re: ELAL temporarily ceases ops

Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:11 am

Josh76040 wrote:
United1 wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
I bet they restart it quickly with the bailout. I can’t see the government wants their flag carrier off this particular route.


I agree ElAl will be back to NYC....if they can't make JFK/EWR work they can make anything work.

I haven't seen it announced officially but a UA insider posted that UA plans on launching three times a week ORD-TLV and will increase EWR-TLV up to 10 times a week this fall. UA is really pushing hard into TLV...that is going to make it harder to ElAl to sustainably launch flights.


El Al will come back with a vengeance. No way will the Israelis allow United to push El Al into oblivion.


Oh I agree ElAl will be back....it will be interesting to see how aggressive they will be able to be. Sort of just depends on how much support ($$$) Israel gives them. NYC, LAX and MIA would cover just about all of the larger Jewish communities in the US. SFO has a smaller yet relatively wealthy population so maybe there as well.

We shall see....these are interesting times we live in.

ORD-TLV 3 times a week on UA starting in September is official. As is IAD-TLV 3 times a week re-starting in October, EWR-TLV increasing from 7 to 10 times a week in August and SFO-TLV which restarts this Wednesday 3 times a week.

Well at least there is no shortage of flights even without El Al for the moment.
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Re: ELAL temporarily ceases ops

Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:11 am

I still suspect as someone who works in the Jewish world but also knows #AvGeeks ORD-TLV will happen, but no more MCO or LAS ever again to TLV... LY needs to go to business markets only.

And if UA makes ORD work, which I think it will, you know LAX-TLV would be next for LY to worry about.
 
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Re: ELAL temporarily ceases ops

Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:26 am

So what routes will most likely be cut? I have a feeling they will start with Vienna as I doubt they are making money while competing with both Wizz Air and Austrian Airlines. Would be interesting to know if they are making money on their India and China flights given that they have to make a huge detour.
 
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Re: ELAL temporarily ceases ops

Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:12 am

Josh76040 wrote:
United1 wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
I bet they restart it quickly with the bailout. I can’t see the government wants their flag carrier off this particular route.


I agree ElAl will be back to NYC....if they can't make JFK/EWR work they can make anything work.

I haven't seen it announced officially but a UA insider posted that UA plans on launching three times a week ORD-TLV and will increase EWR-TLV up to 10 times a week this fall. UA is really pushing hard into TLV...that is going to make it harder to ElAl to sustainably launch flights.


El Al will come back with a vengeance. No way will the Israelis allow United to push El Al into oblivion.

I do not think United is trying to push El Al anywhere. United flies the route because EL AL won't or Can't compete. Why? I have no Idea.
 
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Re: ELAL temporarily ceases ops

Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:26 pm

Blerg wrote:
So what routes will most likely be cut? I have a feeling they will start with Vienna as I doubt they are making money while competing with both Wizz Air and Austrian Airlines. Would be interesting to know if they are making money on their India and China flights given that they have to make a huge detour.


Israeli trade with China and India is large, growing, and hugely strategic. While it's true that El Al does still need to take a big detour to BOM (and iscompetitively disadvantaged against Air India's direct route from DEL), the China routes require only a fairly minimal detour. And while the competition is growing, fares are higher and competition is less than what they face in Europe and North America.
 
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Re: ELAL temporarily ceases ops

Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:49 pm

strfyr51 wrote:
Josh76040 wrote:
United1 wrote:

I agree ElAl will be back to NYC....if they can't make JFK/EWR work they can make anything work.

I haven't seen it announced officially but a UA insider posted that UA plans on launching three times a week ORD-TLV and will increase EWR-TLV up to 10 times a week this fall. UA is really pushing hard into TLV...that is going to make it harder to ElAl to sustainably launch flights.


El Al will come back with a vengeance. No way will the Israelis allow United to push El Al into oblivion.

I do not think United is trying to push El Al anywhere. United flies the route because EL AL won't or Can't compete. Why? I have no Idea.


New flights from major UA hubs is about far more than the Jewish traveler. In terms of travelers from the US to Israel, the number of Christian travelers far outnumbers the Jewish travelers.
 
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Re: ELAL temporarily ceases ops

Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:46 pm

Certainly the "classic" European routes will stay (LHR, CDG, FCO, MXP, MAD, BCN, FRA, MUC, ZRH, GVA, BRU, AMS, ATH, DME, OTP, SOF).
Regarding routes that used to be operated by EL AL's low-cost carrier "UP", or that have a lot of low-cost competition, they might be cut (KBP, LCA, SXF, BUD. PRG, VIE).
Then there are routes that were operated only 2-3 times per week, that were relatively new or that were not yet started (VCE, MAN, DUS, DUB, LIS) - I don't think they will be flown again or launched.
EL AL's Sun D'Or brand, that operated to holiday destinations may be kept but with much less destinations. (I think they only had 2-3 planes anyway)

In the long-haul market I can see LY focusing on the business and Jewish community cities in the US (NYC, LAX, MIA, SFO), sizing down frequency in Asia (BKK and HKG) and rely more than ever before on code-share to keep serving former destinations (especially in the long-haul market).

It all depends on what their fleet will look like - if their 6 777s will be cargo only and several of their 738s will go back to lessors, this will severely limit LY to offer a network as big as it was before. Demand will also be reduced, as there will be both less business and leisure trips.
In the past two years EL AL has expanded like never before and intended to continue to do so (SFO, BOS, ORD, NRT, LIS, DUS, DUB, LAS, MCO, MAN) and it appears that for the next two years at least this trend will have to be completely reversed.
 
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Re: ELAL temporarily ceases ops

Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:02 pm

Would aircraft like the A321LR or A321XLR be a good fit for El Al for thinner routes? Probably would be unlikely to happen based on their aircraft order history.

I think I'm right in saying El Al is the only flag carrier (excluding the never ending startup flag carriers in Africa) never to have operated or ordered an Airbus aircraft?
 
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Wed Jul 08, 2020 3:04 pm

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Breathe wrote:
Would aircraft like the A321LR or A321XLR be a good fit for El Al for thinner routes? Probably would be unlikely to happen based on their aircraft order history.

I think I'm right in saying El Al is the only flag carrier (excluding the never ending startup flag carriers in Africa) never to have operated or ordered an Airbus aircraft?

El al will never order airbus.
 
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Wed Jul 08, 2020 4:16 pm

Breathe wrote:
Would aircraft like the A321LR or A321XLR be a good fit for El Al for thinner routes? Probably would be unlikely to happen based on their aircraft order history.

I think I'm right in saying El Al is the only flag carrier (excluding the never ending startup flag carriers in Africa) never to have operated or ordered an Airbus aircraft?


Define flag carrier. Its become an ambiguous term with former state owned yet still primary carriers etc.

That said, Cubana, LOT Polish and Aeromexico come to mind as a few that have not and do not have Airbus aircraft.
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New owner for LY

Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:07 pm

Purchase of controlling shares in LY is a 25 year old Israeli /US citizen yeshiva student.
Son of a US nursing home owner who some say will be pulling the strings though that is illegal by local laws. Neither has airline experience.

Link to times of Israel
https://www.timesofisrael.com/el-als-ne ... #gs.gfm1ar
 
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Re: New owner for LY

Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:52 pm

article says he's 27.

Anyway, you don't need experience to own an airline, you just need to hire people who do.

I imagine that with the state owning 30% of the company, that will make sweeping reforms difficult. There's also that huge debt load to deal with.
 
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Re: New owner for LY

Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:01 pm

Oof, this is not a real great sign. A rich kid taking (with a family history of medicare fraud) orders from his rabbi to buy what has long been a well run/very safe airline with global respect, after it was bailed out to the tune of $400MM seems about as likely to succeed in the cut throat airlines business as the latest iteration of Pan Am.

I do wish them (at LY)/him the best of luck though.
 
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Re: New owner for LY

Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:38 pm

Delta and United need to start adding flights from the New York area to TLV - I wouldn't bet LY is going to be viable anytime soon.
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Re: New owner for LY

Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:39 pm

Some billionaires buy their kid an f1 seat. Others an airline I guess
 
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Re: New owner for LY

Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:42 pm

alfa164 wrote:
Delta and United need to start adding flights from the New York area to TLV - I wouldn't bet LY is going to be viable anytime soon.

They actually announced return to cargo operations September 21, charter flights on October 1 (mainly to Greece) and a few full sevice destinations for October 12
 
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Re: New owner for LY

Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:52 pm

I'm surprised the Haredi parties in the government don't just push the government to re-nationalize the airline. El Al is always going to struggle for profitability and handing the company over to a family in the US seems like a really questionable move. If El Al's finances get worse because the new ownership mismanages the airline then the government will end up bailing them out for an even larger sum of money.
 
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Re: New owner for LY

Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:56 pm

klakzky123 wrote:
I'm surprised the Haredi parties in the government don't just push the government to re-nationalize the airline. El Al is always going to struggle for profitability and handing the company over to a family in the US seems like a really questionable move. If El Al's finances get worse because the new ownership mismanages the airline then the government will end up bailing them out for an even larger sum of money.

And that profitability is not going to be helped by emirates now that they can fly between them and offer a ton of one-stop service at low prices
 
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Re: New owner for LY

Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:31 pm

dstblj52 wrote:
klakzky123 wrote:
I'm surprised the Haredi parties in the government don't just push the government to re-nationalize the airline. El Al is always going to struggle for profitability and handing the company over to a family in the US seems like a really questionable move. If El Al's finances get worse because the new ownership mismanages the airline then the government will end up bailing them out for an even larger sum of money.

And that profitability is not going to be helped by emirates now that they can fly between them and offer a ton of one-stop service at low prices

Emirates is going to clean up with birthright and religious travel I reckon
 
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Re: New owner for LY

Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:43 pm

32andBelow wrote:
Some billionaires buy their kid an f1 seat. Others an airline I guess


We will see if this kid is closer to Stroll or bringing up the rear like Latifi.
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Re: New owner for LY

Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:47 pm

32andBelow wrote:
dstblj52 wrote:
klakzky123 wrote:
I'm surprised the Haredi parties in the government don't just push the government to re-nationalize the airline. El Al is always going to struggle for profitability and handing the company over to a family in the US seems like a really questionable move. If El Al's finances get worse because the new ownership mismanages the airline then the government will end up bailing them out for an even larger sum of money.

And that profitability is not going to be helped by emirates now that they can fly between them and offer a ton of one-stop service at low prices

Emirates is going to clean up with birthright and religious travel I reckon


Emirates will capture Birthright traffic from AUS/NZ. US/Canada Birthright almost always flies LY. But a lot of Muslim pilgrims from the gulf and south Asia and a ton of Christian pilgrims from Philippines will fly via DXB to TLV.
 
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Re: New owner for LY

Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:57 pm

AshFlops wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
dstblj52 wrote:
And that profitability is not going to be helped by emirates now that they can fly between them and offer a ton of one-stop service at low prices

Emirates is going to clean up with birthright and religious travel I reckon


Emirates will capture Birthright traffic from AUS/NZ. US/Canada Birthright almost always flies LY. But a lot of Muslim pilgrims from the gulf and south Asia and a ton of Christian pilgrims from Philippines will fly via DXB to TLV.

Birthright booked me on some unknown carrier with a stop in Kiev. They wound up going out of business and I got rebooked to LY. They’ll go with whoever gives them a good price.
 
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Re: New owner for LY

Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:09 am

alfa164 wrote:
Delta and United need to start adding flights from the New York area to TLV - I wouldn't bet LY is going to be viable anytime soon.

United has flights to TLV already. They can ass more if the business case is there, BUT? is it?
 
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Re: New owner for LY

Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:35 am

32andBelow wrote:
AshFlops wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Emirates is going to clean up with birthright and religious travel I reckon


Emirates will capture Birthright traffic from AUS/NZ. US/Canada Birthright almost always flies LY. But a lot of Muslim pilgrims from the gulf and south Asia and a ton of Christian pilgrims from Philippines will fly via DXB to TLV.

Birthright booked me on some unknown carrier with a stop in Kiev. They wound up going out of business and I got rebooked to LY. They’ll go with whoever gives them a good price.


Ha, my wife was originally booked on LOT via Warsaw, we were able to change it to the Lufthansa via MUC at the last minute.
 
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Re: New owner for LY

Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:38 am

strfyr51 wrote:
alfa164 wrote:
Delta and United need to start adding flights from the New York area to TLV - I wouldn't bet LY is going to be viable anytime soon.

United has flights to TLV already. They can ass more if the business case is there, BUT? is it?


I think that UA has a pretty full plate to TLV. 2x daily from EWR, daily from SFO, 3-4/wk from IAD, and 3/wk from ORD. And these are on a mix of 787-10 and 777-300. Of course it is somewhat lower frequencies right now. But when things are more normal, that is equal to 4x widebodies a day. During a normal summer, DL also flies 10x/wk or so from JFK. Plus AC from YYZ and YUL, and AA from JFK. Now that AA stopped planning on flying to TLV from DFW, maybe a UA flight from IAH would work? It could capture a lot of LA traffic.
 
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Re: New owner for LY

Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:49 am

Really resuming JFK but not EWR? EWR was a bigger market in 2019. First mistake from the new owner.
 
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Re: New owner for LY

Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:19 am

So food service is one of his top priorities.

Ok a.nutters, which of you is Eli?
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Re: New owner for LY

Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:22 am

usxguy wrote:
So food service is one of his top priorities.

Ok a.nutters, which of you is Eli?

Not us, we're still debating the livery.

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Re: New owner for LY

Fri Sep 18, 2020 5:25 am

AshFlops wrote:
strfyr51 wrote:
alfa164 wrote:
Delta and United need to start adding flights from the New York area to TLV - I wouldn't bet LY is going to be viable anytime soon.

United has flights to TLV already. They can ass more if the business case is there, BUT? is it?


I think that UA has a pretty full plate to TLV. 2x daily from EWR, daily from SFO, 3-4/wk from IAD, and 3/wk from ORD. And these are on a mix of 787-10 and 777-300. Of course it is somewhat lower frequencies right now. But when things are more normal, that is equal to 4x widebodies a day. During a normal summer, DL also flies 10x/wk or so from JFK. Plus AC from YYZ and YUL, and AA from JFK. Now that AA stopped planning on flying to TLV from DFW, maybe a UA flight from IAH would work? It could capture a lot of LA traffic.


AA is planning to launch DFW-TLV in 2021. The JFK flight is an addition not a replacement.
 
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Re: New owner for LY

Fri Sep 18, 2020 5:27 am

usflyer msp wrote:
AshFlops wrote:
strfyr51 wrote:
United has flights to TLV already. They can ass more if the business case is there, BUT? is it?


I think that UA has a pretty full plate to TLV. 2x daily from EWR, daily from SFO, 3-4/wk from IAD, and 3/wk from ORD. And these are on a mix of 787-10 and 777-300. Of course it is somewhat lower frequencies right now. But when things are more normal, that is equal to 4x widebodies a day. During a normal summer, DL also flies 10x/wk or so from JFK. Plus AC from YYZ and YUL, and AA from JFK. Now that AA stopped planning on flying to TLV from DFW, maybe a UA flight from IAH would work? It could capture a lot of LA traffic.


AA is planning to launch DFW-TLV in 2021. The JFK flight is an addition not a replacement.


I hope you are right. A DFW-TLV flight will be successful. If that is the case, then IAH-TLV is probably not needed.
 
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Re: El Al temporarily ceases ops

Fri Sep 18, 2020 5:54 am

What does el al being bought have to do with them ceasing ops.
 
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Re: New owner for LY

Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:08 am

AshFlops wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:
AshFlops wrote:

I think that UA has a pretty full plate to TLV. 2x daily from EWR, daily from SFO, 3-4/wk from IAD, and 3/wk from ORD. And these are on a mix of 787-10 and 777-300. Of course it is somewhat lower frequencies right now. But when things are more normal, that is equal to 4x widebodies a day. During a normal summer, DL also flies 10x/wk or so from JFK. Plus AC from YYZ and YUL, and AA from JFK. Now that AA stopped planning on flying to TLV from DFW, maybe a UA flight from IAH would work? It could capture a lot of LA traffic.


AA is planning to launch DFW-TLV in 2021. The JFK flight is an addition not a replacement.


I hope you are right. A DFW-TLV flight will be successful. If that is the case, then IAH-TLV is probably not needed.


I also expect AA to eventually launch MIA-TLV, they should be able to push EL AL off the route
 
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Re: New owner for LY

Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:20 am

usflyer msp wrote:
AshFlops wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:

AA is planning to launch DFW-TLV in 2021. The JFK flight is an addition not a replacement.


I hope you are right. A DFW-TLV flight will be successful. If that is the case, then IAH-TLV is probably not needed.


I also expect AA to eventually launch MIA-TLV, they should be able to push EL AL off the route


No way. The market is far too Israel-originating oriented. Won’t happen. AA won’t have an easy time although the local market is certainly big enough for a second airline (in normal times), AA will get the junk yield. Before El Al shut down it was down to five routes and Miami was one of them (the others were JFK, LAX, CDG and LHR), it’s a strong market for El Al.
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Re: El Al temporarily ceases ops

Fri Sep 18, 2020 10:50 am

I never thought EL AL would go out of business until I read that article about the new owner.

Very, very sad.
 
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Re: New owner for LY

Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:13 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:
AshFlops wrote:

I hope you are right. A DFW-TLV flight will be successful. If that is the case, then IAH-TLV is probably not needed.


I also expect AA to eventually launch MIA-TLV, they should be able to push EL AL off the route


No way. The market is far too Israel-originating oriented. Won’t happen. AA won’t have an easy time although the local market is certainly big enough for a second airline (in normal times), AA will get the junk yield. Before El Al shut down it was down to five routes and Miami was one of them (the others were JFK, LAX, CDG and LHR), it’s a strong market for El Al.


Miami has a very large US-originating demand. Between tourism from a large market including the Fort Lauderdale area, and the large Israeli ex-pat community in both Dade and Broward counties. Not to mention the Latin American feed into MIA via AA's hub there.

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