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A taxiway at Chateauroux Airport gave in due to the weight of a British Airways Airbus A380

Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:57 pm

As per Sam Chui's website, a taxiway at Chateauroux Airport gave in due to the weight of a British Airways Airbus A380. BA is storing 7 of their A380s at that airport

https://samchui.com/2020/04/15/chateaur ... j0mUkToday
 
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Re: A taxiway at Chateauroux Airport gave in due to the weight of a British Airways Airbus A380

Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:39 pm

Actually someone who writes for Sam Cui looked at a tweet of photos from "various sources" tweeted by "airline_kitty".

Hooray for modern journalism!

That being said, the result is pretty ugly:

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Ref: https://twitter.com/airline_kitty/statu ... 9046774793

I wonder if the taxiway was rated for the A380's weight or not?
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Re: A taxiway at Chateauroux Airport gave in due to the weight of a British Airways Airbus A380

Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:41 pm

See what happens when there is a global stay-at-home order? You tend to gain weight! :-)
 
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Re: A taxiway at Chateauroux Airport gave in due to the weight of a British Airways Airbus A380

Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:52 pm

Are you supposed to taxi that close to the runway (or taxiway in this case) lights?

Looks like somebody swung the plane a little too far out onto a margin of the taxiway while getting into position.
 
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Re: A taxiway at Chateauroux Airport gave in due to the weight of a British Airways Airbus A380

Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:02 am

Looks like the pilot went over the line
 
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Re: A taxiway at Chateauroux Airport gave in due to the weight of a British Airways Airbus A380

Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:47 am

I’ve flown demos at Chateauroux and seen several BA A380s there in years gone by, been in there with a C-5 too. Eons ago, it was a B-52 deployment base.
 
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Re: A taxiway at Chateauroux Airport gave in due to the weight of a British Airways Airbus A380

Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:49 am

Why would BA have had their 380’s at this airport years ago? Just curious.
 
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Re: A taxiway at Chateauroux Airport gave in due to the weight of a British Airways Airbus A380

Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:42 am

BA use CHR for flight crew training. In this instance the taxiway is damaged due to how tight they are parking aircraft for storage. There are various storage videos on the internet showing how they are parking their A380s there. This is not pilot error and the pilots did not taxi away from the centre line without reason.
 
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Re: A taxiway at Chateauroux Airport gave in due to the weight of a British Airways Airbus A380

Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:43 am

vulindlela744 wrote:
Why would BA have had their 380’s at this airport years ago? Just curious.


Large runway with almost no traffic within reasonable distance of both London and Toulouse - my guess would be it'd be a good place to do training flights when they were first picking up the A380.
 
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Re: A taxiway at Chateauroux Airport gave in due to the weight of a British Airways Airbus A380

Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:55 am

uh, thats not the main part of the taxiway but the shoulder... its not built up like the main part to handle much weight
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Re: A taxiway at Chateauroux Airport gave in due to the weight of a British Airways Airbus A380

Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:06 am

April 16, 2020: BA flies A319 several days a week to Chateauroux:

- BA9256 LHR 07.32 - CHR 09.25 Airbus A319-131 G-EUOA

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ba9256
 
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Re: A taxiway at Chateauroux Airport gave in due to the weight of a British Airways Airbus A380

Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:26 am

factsonly wrote:
April 16, 2020: BA flies A319 several days a week to Chateauroux:

- BA9256 LHR 07.32 - CHR 09.25 Airbus A319-131 G-EUOA

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ba9256


To get crews home who operated the CHR flights.
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Re: A taxiway at Chateauroux Airport gave in due to the weight of a British Airways Airbus A380

Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:27 am

So is BA gonna pay for this?
 
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Re: A taxiway at Chateauroux Airport gave in due to the weight of a British Airways Airbus A380

Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:39 am

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So is BA gonna pay for this?


The insurance company will pay.
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Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:21 am

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Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:55 am

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Re: A taxiway at Chateauroux Airport gave in due to the weight of a British Airways Airbus A380

Thu Apr 16, 2020 10:10 am

readytotaxi wrote:
https://www.flightradar24.com/BAW9152/245da419

Another A380 just landed.


Nice flyover crossing the airport. How are these crews getting home?
 
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Re: A taxiway at Chateauroux Airport gave in due to the weight of a British Airways Airbus A380

Thu Apr 16, 2020 10:30 am

ADent wrote:
Are you supposed to taxi that close to the runway (or taxiway in this case) lights?

Looks like somebody swung the plane a little too far out onto a margin of the taxiway while getting into position.

It was towed people... :roll: just like i towed the AA777s into position right at the edge of rwy 36/18 here at BFM
 
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Re: A taxiway at Chateauroux Airport gave in due to the weight of a British Airways Airbus A380

Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:05 pm

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uh, thats not the main part of the taxiway but the shoulder... its not built up like the main part to handle much weight


Yes, this is a non-story. The damaged area is a thin layer of asphalt known as the "shoulder'. The purpose of the shoulder is to have a place for the illumination lighting without allowing grass to grow up and block the lights. The taxiway and runways are thick concrete designed for heavy aircraft. The shoulder, at best, can carry ground equipment traffic.
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Re: A taxiway at Chateauroux Airport gave in due to the weight of a British Airways Airbus A380

Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:23 pm

They must be very amateur...
 
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Re: A taxiway at Chateauroux Airport gave in due to the weight of a British Airways Airbus A380

Thu Apr 16, 2020 1:44 pm

Revelation wrote:
Actually someone who writes for Sam Cui looked at a tweet of photos from "various sources" tweeted by "airline_kitty".

Hooray for modern journalism!



This. Except I would put "journalism" in quotes. :)

I love how "airline_kitty" put a bunch of "Images from various sources forwarded to airline kitty" bubbles on the pix. Not even giving the real photogs credit...but then classing it up with their own twitter handle. Nice.
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Re: A taxiway at Chateauroux Airport gave in due to the weight of a British Airways Airbus A380

Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:05 pm

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usxguy wrote:
uh, thats not the main part of the taxiway but the shoulder... its not built up like the main part to handle much weight

Yes, this is a non-story. The damaged area is a thin layer of asphalt known as the "shoulder'. The purpose of the shoulder is to have a place for the illumination lighting without allowing grass to grow up and block the lights. The taxiway and runways are thick concrete designed for heavy aircraft. The shoulder, at best, can carry ground equipment traffic.

Thanks for the clear explanation.

Hopefully the airplane damage is minimal.
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Re: A taxiway at Chateauroux Airport gave in due to the weight of a British Airways Airbus A380

Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:15 pm

Revelation wrote:
Actually someone who writes for Sam Cui looked at a tweet of photos from "various sources" tweeted by "airline_kitty".

Hooray for modern journalism!

That being said, the result is pretty ugly:

Image

Ref: https://twitter.com/airline_kitty/statu ... 9046774793

I wonder if the taxiway was rated for the A380's weight or not?


Taxiway shoulders (especially at smaller airports) aren't much different from average asphalt roadways and certainly not rated to support large, heavy aircraft.
 
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Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:23 pm

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Taxiway shoulders (especially at smaller airports) aren't much different from average asphalt roadways and certainly not rated to support large, heavy aircraft.

Hopefully there will be an investigation on how this situation occurred.
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Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:27 pm

The A380 has always been criticised for being too heavy, this proves it.....
 
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Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:31 pm

Revelation wrote:
codc10 wrote:
Taxiway shoulders (especially at smaller airports) aren't much different from average asphalt roadways and certainly not rated to support large, heavy aircraft.

Hopefully there will be an investigation on how this situation occurred.


Wonder if it was the nose gear exiting the taxiway surface during a turn?
 
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Re: A taxiway at Chateauroux Airport gave in due to the weight of a British Airways Airbus A380

Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:47 pm

fcogafa wrote:
The A380 has always been criticised for being too heavy, this proves it.....


Which would be ok if the A380 didn't have lower pavement loading than several other heavies, including the 747 and 777.

The correct explanations have been given upthread.

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Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:58 pm

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fcogafa wrote:
The A380 has always been criticised for being too heavy, this proves it.....


Which would be ok if the A380 didn't have lower pavement loading than several other heavies, including the 747 and 777.

The correct explanations have been given upthread.

Rgds

Not to mention the A380 had no pax, luggage, catering, excess fuel etc on it so was much lighter than it would be in normal operation.

I have never walked around the edges of a commercial airport so I didn't know about the paved shoulders.

I suppose I should have noticed them looking out the window of commercial airliners but I guess I never did.

I have been at GA airports often enough but I don't recall any having paved shoulders.
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Re: A taxiway at Chateauroux Airport gave in due to the weight of a British Airways Airbus A380

Thu Apr 16, 2020 3:58 pm

astuteman wrote:
fcogafa wrote:
The A380 has always been criticised for being too heavy, this proves it.....


Which would be ok if the A380 didn't have lower pavement loading than several other heavies, including the 747 and 777.

The correct explanations have been given upthread.

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That the A380 in question wasn't where it was supposed to be?
 
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Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:04 pm

How much is the fine for No Driving on the Shoulder infraction in France?
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Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:15 pm

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That the A380 in question wasn't where it was supposed to be?

Yes, IMO the text and pictures in this thread make that clear.

It ended up on the paved shoulder which exists to prevent grass from growing and making the runway lights hard to see.

The paved shoulder is not engineered to take the weight of an A380 nor presumably any other aircraft with any significant weight.
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Re: A taxiway at Chateauroux Airport gave in due to the weight of a British Airways Airbus A380

Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:22 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
astuteman wrote:
fcogafa wrote:
The A380 has always been criticised for being too heavy, this proves it.....


Which would be ok if the A380 didn't have lower pavement loading than several other heavies, including the 747 and 777.

The correct explanations have been given upthread.

Rgds


That the A380 in question wasn't where it was supposed to be?


Depends on the definition of where it was "supposed" to be I guess.

It was put there by the tug that was pulling it to the parking place that gets as many A380's into as small a place as possible, by the sound of things.
I'm guessing the tug drivers weren't properly briefed on the load limitations of the verges.

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Fri Apr 17, 2020 1:47 am

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Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:54 am

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Speedbird is becoming...Fatbird :relieved:


It already was, when the change from 707 to 747 occurred. Then in 2003 the speedbird got even slower. ;)
 
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Re: A taxiway at Chateauroux Airport gave in due to the weight of a British Airways Airbus A380

Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:38 am

Revelation wrote:
Actually someone who writes for Sam Cui looked at a tweet of photos from "various sources" tweeted by "airline_kitty".

Hooray for modern journalism!

That being said, the result is pretty ugly:

Image

Ref: https://twitter.com/airline_kitty/statu ... 9046774793

I wonder if the taxiway was rated for the A380's weight or not?


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Speedbird is becoming...Fatbird :relieved:

Or in this case, Lamebird.
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Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:16 pm

Runways (and taxiways) are designed with the center section for high frequency heavy loads, to each side of this the loadings taper down as less than 10% of landings are this far off of centerline, out to where only 1% of landings would load this area (plane being 50' off of centerline). Prior to the A380 the most common runway width was 150 feet, however the A380 needed the outer engines to be over pavement. It appears that the shoulders here beyond the drain slot at the edge of the load bearing runway were paved to meet that. However, from the pictures here confirms the pavement is around 4" thick. Most asphalt cement runways are 8" to 12" thick over several feet of highly compacted crushed rock. Concrete is even thicker as it is less flexible, the attached article covers the construction of a Chicago runway.
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