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Aeroflot to absorb Pobeda, Rossiya - report

Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:24 pm

So is it the end of the low cost Pobeda and the leisure Rossiya? Maybe we will finally see a 744 in SU colors...

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... iya-report
 
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Re: Aeroflot to absorb Pobeda, Rossiya - report

Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:39 pm

Anyone have a free version of the report?

This one says it's being considered but not official: https://www.austrianaviation.net/detail ... d-rossiya/
 
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Re: Aeroflot to absorb Pobeda, Rossiya - report

Thu Apr 16, 2020 8:18 pm

But wouldn't it make more sense to merge Rossiya and Pobeda into one carrier and keep them separate from SU? I know those two serve a different market than the one Aeroflot is after.

Russia is not an easy market for airlines. Sector lengths are quite long so plane rotation isn't as great.
 
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Re: Aeroflot to absorb Pobeda, Rossiya - report

Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:50 am

I was in Phuket before Corona really took hold. It was amazing the amount of Russian tourists there. What was also amazing was seeing a Rossiya 747 - never seen a 747 painted like that before; quite impressive.
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Re: Aeroflot to absorb Pobeda, Rossiya - report

Fri Apr 17, 2020 7:07 am

I'm more curious about what would happen to the 777-300A and order for 737MAX.
 
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Re: Aeroflot to absorb Pobeda, Rossiya - report

Fri Apr 17, 2020 7:40 am

Wasn't one of the reasons other airlines expanded & Aeroflot shrank was because it was to big & to hard to keep up on everything..
 
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Re: Aeroflot to absorb Pobeda, Rossiya - report

Fri Apr 17, 2020 7:59 am

rbavfan wrote:
Wasn't one of the reasons other airlines expanded & Aeroflot shrank was because it was to big & to hard to keep up on everything..


I thought it was because they all targeted different markets.

Aeroflot being premium, Rossiya - charters+mid level, Pobeda - low cost; Aurora - far east.

Plus this way they wouldn't have FAS (Federal Anti-monopoly Service) on their ass.
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Re: Aeroflot to absorb Pobeda, Rossiya - report

Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:02 am

I have to admit I don't understanf how they are doing to merge 3 airlines with 3 different business model.

I always thought Rossiya could be the launch customer of the new Il-96-400 as a 747s replacement. I guess that this won't happen neither....
 
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Re: Aeroflot to absorb Pobeda, Rossiya - report

Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:49 am

I also agree that Pobeda as a LCC should remain separate from SU. They are better off operating at VKO as a budget airline.

In the other hand, merging FV into SU somehow makes sense, especially since many flights out of LED are now operating under SU code but using FV aircraft anyway.

From a frequent flyer perspective it would be nice to have Skyteam benefits etc at LED and earn miles when those flights were officially operated as SU flights besides the hourly shuttle to SVO.
 
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Re: Aeroflot to absorb Pobeda, Rossiya - report

Fri Apr 17, 2020 11:05 am

SR380 wrote:
So is it the end of the low cost Pobeda and the leisure Rossiya? Maybe we will finally see a 744 in SU colors...

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... iya-report


I don‘t think that we see any 744 in the SU colors. It‘s more likely, that both (Rossiya & Pobeda) stay as separate units under it‘s own Brand but Managed under Aeroflot. Or if not that some of the older Planes like 744, 773 will leave the „new“ SU Fleet. Who knows evertything is possible in this days
 
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Re: Aeroflot to absorb Pobeda, Rossiya - report

Fri Apr 17, 2020 11:25 am

TKflyer wrote:
SR380 wrote:
So is it the end of the low cost Pobeda and the leisure Rossiya? Maybe we will finally see a 744 in SU colors...

https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... iya-report


I don‘t think that we see any 744 in the SU colors. It‘s more likely, that both (Rossiya & Pobeda) stay as separate units under it‘s own Brand but Managed under Aeroflot. Or if not that some of the older Planes like 744, 773 will leave the „new“ SU Fleet. Who knows evertything is possible in this days


I had the assumption that both brands are already managed under SU as separate brands

https://ir.aeroflot.com/en/company-over ... structure/
 
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Re: Aeroflot to absorb Pobeda, Rossiya - report

Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:12 pm

According to one of russian forums, this possiblilty was denied by one of Aeroflot employees.
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Re: Aeroflot to absorb Pobeda, Rossiya - report

Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:26 pm

It seems more and more that such a move would be like SU of years past. There were so many carriers in Russia at one point but that seems to have found a natural path of consolidation over time.
 
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Re: Aeroflot to absorb Pobeda, Rossiya - report

Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:34 pm

IndianicWorld wrote:
It seems more and more that such a move would be like SU of years past. There were so many carriers in Russia at one point but that seems to have found a natural path of consolidation over time.

As I have already mentioned here, this news is fake and was disproved in Aeroflot. Currently there is completely no need to liquidate a career that is used mostly in regions and on routes from Moscow that are not sufficient enough to be operated by Aeroflot. Moreover Rossiya uses the aircrafts that don't suit Aeroflot (A319, B744, B773) or are just too old according to its policy (A320, ex-EK B77W). The news about the liquidation of Pobeda which is a very well-operating LCC is twice absurd.
Aeroflot itself is not really eager to operate from another regions of Russia, even from St. Petersburg. For their future Krasnoyarsk hub they even took 3 B738 from Rossiya with smaller C-class and different seats instead of using their own.
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Re: Aeroflot to absorb Pobeda, Rossiya - report

Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:12 am

A321Lufthansa wrote:
IndianicWorld wrote:
It seems more and more that such a move would be like SU of years past. There were so many carriers in Russia at one point but that seems to have found a natural path of consolidation over time.

As I have already mentioned here, this news is fake and was disproved in Aeroflot. Currently there is completely no need to liquidate a career that is used mostly in regions and on routes from Moscow that are not sufficient enough to be operated by Aeroflot. Moreover Rossiya uses the aircrafts that don't suit Aeroflot (A319, B744, B773) or are just too old according to its policy (A320, ex-EK B77W). The news about the liquidation of Pobeda which is a very well-operating LCC is twice absurd.
Aeroflot itself is not really eager to operate from another regions of Russia, even from St. Petersburg. For their future Krasnoyarsk hub they even took 3 B738 from Rossiya with smaller C-class and different seats instead of using their own.


Krasnoyarsk? Wasn't it supposed to be in Krasnodar?
 
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Re: Aeroflot to absorb Pobeda, Rossiya - report

Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:14 am

Well, this is going to be very bad news for many tourist heavy destinations Aeroflot flies to (Cyprus, Greece, Turkey, Egypt). Aeroflot stops selling tickets for flights until August. I guess Russians won't be going on holidays beyond the Russian Black Sea resorts.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2020/04/ ... ust-a70029
 
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Re: Aeroflot to absorb Pobeda, Rossiya - report

Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:30 am

IndianicWorld wrote:
It seems more and more that such a move would be like SU of years past. There were so many carriers in Russia at one point but that seems to have found a natural path of consolidation over time.


How many "Babyflots" are left? Wikipedia's "Babyflot" article states that there were around 800 at one time, but they do not know how many of them still exist or who they all are.
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Re: Aeroflot to absorb Pobeda, Rossiya - report

Sat Apr 18, 2020 6:34 am

SkyVoice wrote:
IndianicWorld wrote:
It seems more and more that such a move would be like SU of years past. There were so many carriers in Russia at one point but that seems to have found a natural path of consolidation over time.


How many "Babyflots" are left? Wikipedia's "Babyflot" article states that there were around 800 at one time, but they do not know how many of them still exist or who they all are.


I am not surprised there were that many and some were extremely exotic. I remember seeing so many of those random airlines flying their Tupolevs and Illyusins to various Greek and Turkish airports. I don't think there are more than 10 left today. Most have just vanished over time. I think Sibir/S7 is the only one that made it big.
 
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Re: Aeroflot to absorb Pobeda, Rossiya - report

Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:11 am

Blerg wrote:
A321Lufthansa wrote:
IndianicWorld wrote:
It seems more and more that such a move would be like SU of years past. There were so many carriers in Russia at one point but that seems to have found a natural path of consolidation over time.

As I have already mentioned here, this news is fake and was disproved in Aeroflot. Currently there is completely no need to liquidate a career that is used mostly in regions and on routes from Moscow that are not sufficient enough to be operated by Aeroflot. Moreover Rossiya uses the aircrafts that don't suit Aeroflot (A319, B744, B773) or are just too old according to its policy (A320, ex-EK B77W). The news about the liquidation of Pobeda which is a very well-operating LCC is twice absurd.
Aeroflot itself is not really eager to operate from another regions of Russia, even from St. Petersburg. For their future Krasnoyarsk hub they even took 3 B738 from Rossiya with smaller C-class and different seats instead of using their own.


Krasnoyarsk? Wasn't it supposed to be in Krasnodar?

No, Krasnoyarsk
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Re: Aeroflot to absorb Pobeda, Rossiya - report

Sat Apr 18, 2020 9:47 am

SkyVoice wrote:
IndianicWorld wrote:
It seems more and more that such a move would be like SU of years past. There were so many carriers in Russia at one point but that seems to have found a natural path of consolidation over time.


How many "Babyflots" are left? Wikipedia's "Babyflot" article states that there were around 800 at one time, but they do not know how many of them still exist or who they all are.


Most of these disappear in the early stage of the reorganisation. Aeroflot was a public serving in the USSR, therefore, it was making huge lost to serve some region/airport that could not economically assume air service.

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