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Re: The future of Skyteam - is there any?

Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:13 pm

Blerg wrote:
usdcaguy wrote:
Blerg wrote:

I think OK as a major international player won't happen, it's too late now and they are sandwiched between OS and LO. On top of that, their business model is kind of confused and messy right now. Tarom did have some ambitions to grow some years ago. They planned Zagreb and Skopje, launched seasonal flights to Dubrovnik... and then it all failed. More recently they tried it again in the other direction with flights to Odessa, Yerevan, Tbilisi... and those didn't work out either. Their European and regional network is too weak, OTP is not fit to be a hub (terms of capacity and overall passenger experience) and they just can't keep up with competition.

That's where JU would be a much better fit especially as it could offer a nice alternative to Austrian Airlines and Vienna. JU's Balkan network is pretty solid.


OTP definitely needs more capacity and air bridges. RO also struggles with its bad image from the 90’s when in many places it was considered the “cheap” carrier and not the preferred one. They do offer good service and a competitive product now, but this has not translated into profitable expansion, likely due to its hub issues.

It really is a shame that OK hasn’t been more aggressive at expanding, but it faces a lot of LCC competition on short-haul routes. Years ago, DL was flying OK* codeshares year-round on JFK-PRG and seasonal ATL-PRG that would have given them feed, but those flights didn’t stick around except for seasonal JFK-PRG. The OK-operated flight to JFK has never come back, either.

Adding JU to ST might be a good idea, but it offers little service to markets that aren’t currently served by other ST partners. Interior ex-Yugoslav markets aren’t exactly a goldmine, either. After AZ leaves the alliance, I JU might make a better fit. I’m not sure JU would want to be in an alliance dominated by an American carrier, however.


Well Air Serbia isn't all about ex-Yugoslav routes, they have quite a decent network beyond this region for an airline their size. This summer they were supposed to have the following destinations in the Balkans:

OTP 11x
SOF 7x
TIA 14x
IST 7x
SKG 14x
ATH 14x

And then add to that the ex-YU destinations: LJU, ZAG, PUY, RJK, SPU, DBV, ZAD, SJJ, BNX, TGD, TIV and SKP.

They also fly to Larnaca, Beirut, Cairo, Krasnodar and this summer they seem to be going ahead with the introduction of Amman, Rostov, Lviv and Kishinev.

So I do believe that they do have a nice niche market that SkyTeam could profit from.


RO and AZ are both on shaky ground, so it will be interesting to see how things play out. They both already offer connections to many places in SE Europe, but further retrenchment may push the envelope.
 
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Re: The future of Skyteam - is there any?

Fri May 01, 2020 12:46 am

onwFan wrote:
Of course, there is DL that proactively sets out ‘real’ partners from dummy partners.


The differing levels of partnership (especially due to JVs) happen in all the alliances. Look at UA's level of cooperation with LH vs LO, or NH vs OZ or SQ. Look at AA's cooperation with JL vs CX. These to me don't seem too different than DL's relationship with AF/KL vs AZ (now that they're understandably not included in the JV), or with KE vs CI.
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Re: The future of Skyteam - is there any?

Fri May 01, 2020 1:02 am

FSDan wrote:
onwFan wrote:
Of course, there is DL that proactively sets out ‘real’ partners from dummy partners.


The differing levels of partnership (especially due to JVs) happen in all the alliances. Look at UA's level of cooperation with LH vs LO, or NH vs OZ or SQ. Look at AA's cooperation with JL vs CX. These to me don't seem too different than DL's relationship with AF/KL vs AZ (now that they're understandably not included in the JV), or with KE vs CI.

DL doesn't even interline with some SkyTeam members like MF. In what way are they not a dummy partner?
 
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Re: The future of Skyteam - is there any?

Fri May 01, 2020 1:15 am

onwFan wrote:
DL doesn't even interline with some SkyTeam members like MF. In what way are they not a dummy partner?



You are sorely misinformed.

Interline Electronic Ticketing Agreements (IET)
Delta has Interline Electronic Ticketing Agreements with the following carriers. Please note: New ticketing agreements may be added and current ticketing agreements may be discontinued without notice. Please check with your GDS help desk for assistance.

Interline Electronic Ticketing Agreements
Aegean (A3)
Air Lingus Irish (EI)
Aeroflot (SU)
Aerolineas Argentina (AR)
AeroMexico (AM)
Air Algerie (AH)
Air Astana (KC)
Air Baltic Corporation (BT)
Air Botswana (BP)
Air Canada (AC)
Air Corsica (XK)
Air Caledonie Intl (SB)
Air Europa (UX)
Air France (AF)
Air India (AI)
Air Malta (KM)
Air Mauritius (MK)
Air Moldova State (9U
Air New Zealand LTD (NZ)
Air Serbia (JU)
Air Tahiti (VT)
Air Tahiti NUI (TN)
Aircalin (SB)
Alaska Air (AS)
Alitalia (AZ)
All Nippon (NH)
Asiana (OZ)
Austrian (OS)
Avianca (AV)
Azerbaijan (J2)
BahamasAir (UP)
Bangkok Airways (PG)
Belavia Airlines (B2)
British Airways (BA)
British European dba FLYBE (BE)
Brussels Airlines (SN)
Bulgaria Air (FB)
Cape Air (9K)
Cathay Dragon (KA)
Cathay Pacific (CX)
Cayman Airways (KX)
China Airlines (CI)
China Eastern (MU)
China Southern (CZ)
CityJet (WX)
COPA (CM)
Croatia Airlines (OU)
CSA Czech (OK)
Egypt Air (MS)
El Al Israel (LY)
Ethopian Airlines (ET)
Eva Airways Corporation (BR)
Fiji Airways (FJ)
Finnair (AY)
Fly Dubai (FZ)
Garuda Indonesian (GA)
Georgian Airways (A9)
GOL (G3)
Gulf Air (GF)
Hawaiian Airlines (HA)
Hong Kong Airlines (HX)
HOP! (A5)
Iberia (IB)
Icelandair (FI)
Japan Airlines (JL)
Japan Transocean Air (NU)
JetStar Japan (GK)
Jin Air (LI)
Kenya Airways (KQ)
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines (KL)
Korean (KE)
Kulula (MN)
LACSA (LR)
LAM (TM)
Lan Peru (LP)
LATAM (LA)
LATAM Argentina (4M)
LATAM Brazil (JJ)
LATAM Columbia (4C)
LATAM Ecuador (XL)
LATAM Paraguay (PZ)
LOT-Polish Airlines (LO)
Lufthansa (LH)
Luxair (LG)
Malaysian (MH)
Mandarin Airlines (AE)
Miat Mongolian (OM)
Middle East Airlines (ME)
Montenegro (YM)
Olympic Airways (OA)
Oman Aviation (WY)
Penair (KS)
Philippine Airlines (PR)
Qantas (QF)
RAVN Alaska (7H)
Royal Air Maroc (AT)
Royal Jordanian (RJ)
Rossiya Russian (FV)
Saudia (SV)
Safi Airways LTD (4Q)
Scandinavian Airlines (SK)
Seaborne Airlines (BB)
Shanghai Airlines (FM)
Siberia Airlines (S7)
Silk Air (MI)
Singapore Airlines (SQ)
Silver Airways (3M)
South African (SA)
Srilankan (UL)
Surinam Airways (PY)
Swiss (LX)
TAAG-Angola Airlines (DT)
TACA International (TA)
TACA Peru (T0)
Tame Linea Aerea (EQ)
TAP Air Portugal (TP)
TAROM-Romania (RO)
Thai International (TG)
Transavia (HV)
Tunis Air (TU)
Ukraine International (PS)
United (UA)
Uzbekistan Airways (HY)
Virgin Australia (VA)
Vietnam Airlines (VN)
Virgin Atlantic (VS)
Vistara (UK)
Westjet (WS)
Wideroes (WF)
Xiamen Airline (MF)


https://pro.delta.com/content/agency/us/en/policy-library/reservations-and-ticketing/interline-electronic-ticketing-agreements--iet-.html
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Re: The future of Skyteam - is there any?

Fri May 01, 2020 1:17 am

onwFan wrote:
FSDan wrote:
onwFan wrote:
Of course, there is DL that proactively sets out ‘real’ partners from dummy partners.


The differing levels of partnership (especially due to JVs) happen in all the alliances. Look at UA's level of cooperation with LH vs LO, or NH vs OZ or SQ. Look at AA's cooperation with JL vs CX. These to me don't seem too different than DL's relationship with AF/KL vs AZ (now that they're understandably not included in the JV), or with KE vs CI.

DL doesn't even interline with some SkyTeam members like MF. In what way are they not a dummy partner?


That's a lie. Delta does interline with every SkyTeam member, including MF.
 
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Re: The future of Skyteam - is there any?

Fri May 01, 2020 1:42 am

alfa164 wrote:
onwFan wrote:
DL doesn't even interline with some SkyTeam members like MF. In what way are they not a dummy partner?



You are sorely misinformed.

Interline Electronic Ticketing Agreements (IET)
Delta has Interline Electronic Ticketing Agreements with the following carriers. Please note: New ticketing agreements may be added and current ticketing agreements may be discontinued without notice. Please check with your GDS help desk for assistance.

Interline Electronic Ticketing Agreements
Aegean (A3)
Air Lingus Irish (EI)
Aeroflot (SU)
Aerolineas Argentina (AR)
AeroMexico (AM)
Air Algerie (AH)
Air Astana (KC)
Air Baltic Corporation (BT)
Air Botswana (BP)
Air Canada (AC)
Air Corsica (XK)
Air Caledonie Intl (SB)
Air Europa (UX)
Air France (AF)
Air India (AI)
Air Malta (KM)
Air Mauritius (MK)
Air Moldova State (9U
Air New Zealand LTD (NZ)
Air Serbia (JU)
Air Tahiti (VT)
Air Tahiti NUI (TN)
Aircalin (SB)
Alaska Air (AS)
Alitalia (AZ)
All Nippon (NH)
Asiana (OZ)
Austrian (OS)
Avianca (AV)
Azerbaijan (J2)
BahamasAir (UP)
Bangkok Airways (PG)
Belavia Airlines (B2)
British Airways (BA)
British European dba FLYBE (BE)
Brussels Airlines (SN)
Bulgaria Air (FB)
Cape Air (9K)
Cathay Dragon (KA)
Cathay Pacific (CX)
Cayman Airways (KX)
China Airlines (CI)
China Eastern (MU)
China Southern (CZ)
CityJet (WX)
COPA (CM)
Croatia Airlines (OU)
CSA Czech (OK)
Egypt Air (MS)
El Al Israel (LY)
Ethopian Airlines (ET)
Eva Airways Corporation (BR)
Fiji Airways (FJ)
Finnair (AY)
Fly Dubai (FZ)
Garuda Indonesian (GA)
Georgian Airways (A9)
GOL (G3)
Gulf Air (GF)
Hawaiian Airlines (HA)
Hong Kong Airlines (HX)
HOP! (A5)
Iberia (IB)
Icelandair (FI)
Japan Airlines (JL)
Japan Transocean Air (NU)
JetStar Japan (GK)
Jin Air (LI)
Kenya Airways (KQ)
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines (KL)
Korean (KE)
Kulula (MN)
LACSA (LR)
LAM (TM)
Lan Peru (LP)
LATAM (LA)
LATAM Argentina (4M)
LATAM Brazil (JJ)
LATAM Columbia (4C)
LATAM Ecuador (XL)
LATAM Paraguay (PZ)
LOT-Polish Airlines (LO)
Lufthansa (LH)
Luxair (LG)
Malaysian (MH)
Mandarin Airlines (AE)
Miat Mongolian (OM)
Middle East Airlines (ME)
Montenegro (YM)
Olympic Airways (OA)
Oman Aviation (WY)
Penair (KS)
Philippine Airlines (PR)
Qantas (QF)
RAVN Alaska (7H)
Royal Air Maroc (AT)
Royal Jordanian (RJ)
Rossiya Russian (FV)
Saudia (SV)
Safi Airways LTD (4Q)
Scandinavian Airlines (SK)
Seaborne Airlines (BB)
Shanghai Airlines (FM)
Siberia Airlines (S7)
Silk Air (MI)
Singapore Airlines (SQ)
Silver Airways (3M)
South African (SA)
Srilankan (UL)
Surinam Airways (PY)
Swiss (LX)
TAAG-Angola Airlines (DT)
TACA International (TA)
TACA Peru (T0)
Tame Linea Aerea (EQ)
TAP Air Portugal (TP)
TAROM-Romania (RO)
Thai International (TG)
Transavia (HV)
Tunis Air (TU)
Ukraine International (PS)
United (UA)
Uzbekistan Airways (HY)
Virgin Australia (VA)
Vietnam Airlines (VN)
Virgin Atlantic (VS)
Vistara (UK)
Westjet (WS)
Wideroes (WF)
Xiamen Airline (MF)


https://pro.delta.com/content/agency/us/en/policy-library/reservations-and-ticketing/interline-electronic-ticketing-agreements--iet-.html

Can you search and book any itinerary involving DL and MF online? The only connecting flights I was able to find for the past 2-3 years was on AA and AS.
 
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Re: The future of Skyteam - is there any?

Fri May 01, 2020 1:50 am

alfa164 wrote:
onwFan wrote:
DL doesn't even interline with some SkyTeam members like MF. In what way are they not a dummy partner?



You are sorely misinformed.

Interline Electronic Ticketing Agreements (IET)
Delta has Interline Electronic Ticketing Agreements with the following carriers. Please note: New ticketing agreements may be added and current ticketing agreements may be discontinued without notice. Please check with your GDS help desk for assistance.

Interline Electronic Ticketing Agreements
Aegean (A3)
Air Lingus Irish (EI)
Aeroflot (SU)
Aerolineas Argentina (AR)
AeroMexico (AM)
Air Algerie (AH)
Air Astana (KC)
Air Baltic Corporation (BT)
Air Botswana (BP)
Air Canada (AC)
Air Corsica (XK)
Air Caledonie Intl (SB)
Air Europa (UX)
Air France (AF)
Air India (AI)
Air Malta (KM)
Air Mauritius (MK)
Air Moldova State (9U
Air New Zealand LTD (NZ)
Air Serbia (JU)
Air Tahiti (VT)
Air Tahiti NUI (TN)
Aircalin (SB)
Alaska Air (AS)
Alitalia (AZ)
All Nippon (NH)
Asiana (OZ)
Austrian (OS)
Avianca (AV)
Azerbaijan (J2)
BahamasAir (UP)
Bangkok Airways (PG)
Belavia Airlines (B2)
British Airways (BA)
British European dba FLYBE (BE)
Brussels Airlines (SN)
Bulgaria Air (FB)
Cape Air (9K)
Cathay Dragon (KA)
Cathay Pacific (CX)
Cayman Airways (KX)
China Airlines (CI)
China Eastern (MU)
China Southern (CZ)
CityJet (WX)
COPA (CM)
Croatia Airlines (OU)
CSA Czech (OK)
Egypt Air (MS)
El Al Israel (LY)
Ethopian Airlines (ET)
Eva Airways Corporation (BR)
Fiji Airways (FJ)
Finnair (AY)
Fly Dubai (FZ)
Garuda Indonesian (GA)
Georgian Airways (A9)
GOL (G3)
Gulf Air (GF)
Hawaiian Airlines (HA)
Hong Kong Airlines (HX)
HOP! (A5)
Iberia (IB)
Icelandair (FI)
Japan Airlines (JL)
Japan Transocean Air (NU)
JetStar Japan (GK)
Jin Air (LI)
Kenya Airways (KQ)
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines (KL)
Korean (KE)
Kulula (MN)
LACSA (LR)
LAM (TM)
Lan Peru (LP)
LATAM (LA)
LATAM Argentina (4M)
LATAM Brazil (JJ)
LATAM Columbia (4C)
LATAM Ecuador (XL)
LATAM Paraguay (PZ)
LOT-Polish Airlines (LO)
Lufthansa (LH)
Luxair (LG)
Malaysian (MH)
Mandarin Airlines (AE)
Miat Mongolian (OM)
Middle East Airlines (ME)
Montenegro (YM)
Olympic Airways (OA)
Oman Aviation (WY)
Penair (KS)
Philippine Airlines (PR)
Qantas (QF)
RAVN Alaska (7H)
Royal Air Maroc (AT)
Royal Jordanian (RJ)
Rossiya Russian (FV)
Saudia (SV)
Safi Airways LTD (4Q)
Scandinavian Airlines (SK)
Seaborne Airlines (BB)
Shanghai Airlines (FM)
Siberia Airlines (S7)
Silk Air (MI)
Singapore Airlines (SQ)
Silver Airways (3M)
South African (SA)
Srilankan (UL)
Surinam Airways (PY)
Swiss (LX)
TAAG-Angola Airlines (DT)
TACA International (TA)
TACA Peru (T0)
Tame Linea Aerea (EQ)
TAP Air Portugal (TP)
TAROM-Romania (RO)
Thai International (TG)
Transavia (HV)
Tunis Air (TU)
Ukraine International (PS)
United (UA)
Uzbekistan Airways (HY)
Virgin Australia (VA)
Vietnam Airlines (VN)
Virgin Atlantic (VS)
Vistara (UK)
Westjet (WS)
Wideroes (WF)
Xiamen Airline (MF)


https://pro.delta.com/content/agency/us/en/policy-library/reservations-and-ticketing/interline-electronic-ticketing-agreements--iet-.html


United?!?
 
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Re: The future of Skyteam - is there any?

Fri May 01, 2020 2:37 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
alfa164 wrote:
onwFan wrote:
DL doesn't even interline with some SkyTeam members like MF. In what way are they not a dummy partner?



You are sorely misinformed.

Interline Electronic Ticketing Agreements (IET)
Delta has Interline Electronic Ticketing Agreements with the following carriers. Please note: New ticketing agreements may be added and current ticketing agreements may be discontinued without notice. Please check with your GDS help desk for assistance.

Interline Electronic Ticketing Agreements
Aegean (A3)
Air Lingus Irish (EI)
Aeroflot (SU)
Aerolineas Argentina (AR)
AeroMexico (AM)
Air Algerie (AH)
Air Astana (KC)
Air Baltic Corporation (BT)
Air Botswana (BP)
Air Canada (AC)
Air Corsica (XK)
Air Caledonie Intl (SB)
Air Europa (UX)
Air France (AF)
Air India (AI)
Air Malta (KM)
Air Mauritius (MK)
Air Moldova State (9U
Air New Zealand LTD (NZ)
Air Serbia (JU)
Air Tahiti (VT)
Air Tahiti NUI (TN)
Aircalin (SB)
Alaska Air (AS)
Alitalia (AZ)
All Nippon (NH)
Asiana (OZ)
Austrian (OS)
Avianca (AV)
Azerbaijan (J2)
BahamasAir (UP)
Bangkok Airways (PG)
Belavia Airlines (B2)
British Airways (BA)
British European dba FLYBE (BE)
Brussels Airlines (SN)
Bulgaria Air (FB)
Cape Air (9K)
Cathay Dragon (KA)
Cathay Pacific (CX)
Cayman Airways (KX)
China Airlines (CI)
China Eastern (MU)
China Southern (CZ)
CityJet (WX)
COPA (CM)
Croatia Airlines (OU)
CSA Czech (OK)
Egypt Air (MS)
El Al Israel (LY)
Ethopian Airlines (ET)
Eva Airways Corporation (BR)
Fiji Airways (FJ)
Finnair (AY)
Fly Dubai (FZ)
Garuda Indonesian (GA)
Georgian Airways (A9)
GOL (G3)
Gulf Air (GF)
Hawaiian Airlines (HA)
Hong Kong Airlines (HX)
HOP! (A5)
Iberia (IB)
Icelandair (FI)
Japan Airlines (JL)
Japan Transocean Air (NU)
JetStar Japan (GK)
Jin Air (LI)
Kenya Airways (KQ)
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines (KL)
Korean (KE)
Kulula (MN)
LACSA (LR)
LAM (TM)
Lan Peru (LP)
LATAM (LA)
LATAM Argentina (4M)
LATAM Brazil (JJ)
LATAM Columbia (4C)
LATAM Ecuador (XL)
LATAM Paraguay (PZ)
LOT-Polish Airlines (LO)
Lufthansa (LH)
Luxair (LG)
Malaysian (MH)
Mandarin Airlines (AE)
Miat Mongolian (OM)
Middle East Airlines (ME)
Montenegro (YM)
Olympic Airways (OA)
Oman Aviation (WY)
Penair (KS)
Philippine Airlines (PR)
Qantas (QF)
RAVN Alaska (7H)
Royal Air Maroc (AT)
Royal Jordanian (RJ)
Rossiya Russian (FV)
Saudia (SV)
Safi Airways LTD (4Q)
Scandinavian Airlines (SK)
Seaborne Airlines (BB)
Shanghai Airlines (FM)
Siberia Airlines (S7)
Silk Air (MI)
Singapore Airlines (SQ)
Silver Airways (3M)
South African (SA)
Srilankan (UL)
Surinam Airways (PY)
Swiss (LX)
TAAG-Angola Airlines (DT)
TACA International (TA)
TACA Peru (T0)
Tame Linea Aerea (EQ)
TAP Air Portugal (TP)
TAROM-Romania (RO)
Thai International (TG)
Transavia (HV)
Tunis Air (TU)
Ukraine International (PS)
United (UA)
Uzbekistan Airways (HY)
Virgin Australia (VA)
Vietnam Airlines (VN)
Virgin Atlantic (VS)
Vistara (UK)
Westjet (WS)
Wideroes (WF)
Xiamen Airline (MF)


https://pro.delta.com/content/agency/us/en/policy-library/reservations-and-ticketing/interline-electronic-ticketing-agreements--iet-.html


United?!?



Yes; almost all major airlines have interline agreements - despite what one person here claims.
 
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Re: The future of Skyteam - is there any?

Fri May 01, 2020 2:41 am

 
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Re: The future of Skyteam - is there any?

Fri May 01, 2020 2:49 am

jordanh wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
alfa164 wrote:


You are sorely misinformed.

Interline Electronic Ticketing Agreements (IET)
Delta has Interline Electronic Ticketing Agreements with the following carriers. Please note: New ticketing agreements may be added and current ticketing agreements may be discontinued without notice. Please check with your GDS help desk for assistance.

Interline Electronic Ticketing Agreements
Aegean (A3)
Air Lingus Irish (EI)
Aeroflot (SU)
Aerolineas Argentina (AR)
AeroMexico (AM)
Air Algerie (AH)
Air Astana (KC)
Air Baltic Corporation (BT)
Air Botswana (BP)
Air Canada (AC)
Air Corsica (XK)
Air Caledonie Intl (SB)
Air Europa (UX)
Air France (AF)
Air India (AI)
Air Malta (KM)
Air Mauritius (MK)
Air Moldova State (9U
Air New Zealand LTD (NZ)
Air Serbia (JU)
Air Tahiti (VT)
Air Tahiti NUI (TN)
Aircalin (SB)
Alaska Air (AS)
Alitalia (AZ)
All Nippon (NH)
Asiana (OZ)
Austrian (OS)
Avianca (AV)
Azerbaijan (J2)
BahamasAir (UP)
Bangkok Airways (PG)
Belavia Airlines (B2)
British Airways (BA)
British European dba FLYBE (BE)
Brussels Airlines (SN)
Bulgaria Air (FB)
Cape Air (9K)
Cathay Dragon (KA)
Cathay Pacific (CX)
Cayman Airways (KX)
China Airlines (CI)
China Eastern (MU)
China Southern (CZ)
CityJet (WX)
COPA (CM)
Croatia Airlines (OU)
CSA Czech (OK)
Egypt Air (MS)
El Al Israel (LY)
Ethopian Airlines (ET)
Eva Airways Corporation (BR)
Fiji Airways (FJ)
Finnair (AY)
Fly Dubai (FZ)
Garuda Indonesian (GA)
Georgian Airways (A9)
GOL (G3)
Gulf Air (GF)
Hawaiian Airlines (HA)
Hong Kong Airlines (HX)
HOP! (A5)
Iberia (IB)
Icelandair (FI)
Japan Airlines (JL)
Japan Transocean Air (NU)
JetStar Japan (GK)
Jin Air (LI)
Kenya Airways (KQ)
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines (KL)
Korean (KE)
Kulula (MN)
LACSA (LR)
LAM (TM)
Lan Peru (LP)
LATAM (LA)
LATAM Argentina (4M)
LATAM Brazil (JJ)
LATAM Columbia (4C)
LATAM Ecuador (XL)
LATAM Paraguay (PZ)
LOT-Polish Airlines (LO)
Lufthansa (LH)
Luxair (LG)
Malaysian (MH)
Mandarin Airlines (AE)
Miat Mongolian (OM)
Middle East Airlines (ME)
Montenegro (YM)
Olympic Airways (OA)
Oman Aviation (WY)
Penair (KS)
Philippine Airlines (PR)
Qantas (QF)
RAVN Alaska (7H)
Royal Air Maroc (AT)
Royal Jordanian (RJ)
Rossiya Russian (FV)
Saudia (SV)
Safi Airways LTD (4Q)
Scandinavian Airlines (SK)
Seaborne Airlines (BB)
Shanghai Airlines (FM)
Siberia Airlines (S7)
Silk Air (MI)
Singapore Airlines (SQ)
Silver Airways (3M)
South African (SA)
Srilankan (UL)
Surinam Airways (PY)
Swiss (LX)
TAAG-Angola Airlines (DT)
TACA International (TA)
TACA Peru (T0)
Tame Linea Aerea (EQ)
TAP Air Portugal (TP)
TAROM-Romania (RO)
Thai International (TG)
Transavia (HV)
Tunis Air (TU)
Ukraine International (PS)
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Virgin Australia (VA)
Vietnam Airlines (VN)
Virgin Atlantic (VS)
Vistara (UK)
Westjet (WS)
Wideroes (WF)
Xiamen Airline (MF)


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United?!?



Yes; almost all major airlines have interline agreements - despite what one person here claims.

I never said DL doesn’t interline with AA/UA. Pointing to a list of carriers is one thing - but can you help me book an intinerary involving DL and MF?

Take the simplest example of a flight from a Delta hub to XMN/FOC:-
1. On Delta’s website - No MF
2. On MF’s website - only AA/AS
3. On ITA Fare Matrix, google flights, etc. - only AA combinations exist.

It may simply be the case that I don’t know where to look - if so, kindly point me to a good place where I can book. If you are going to say the interline is solely for IRROPs, that is what I call a dummy partner. That’s all.
 
alfa164
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Re: The future of Skyteam - is there any?

Fri May 01, 2020 3:20 am

onwFan wrote:
jordanh wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:

United?!?



Yes; almost all major airlines have interline agreements - despite what one person here claims.

I never said DL doesn’t interline with AA/UA. Pointing to a list of carriers is one thing - but can you help me book an intinerary involving DL and MF?

Take the simplest example of a flight from a Delta hub to XMN/FOC:-
1. On Delta’s website - No MF
2. On MF’s website - only AA/AS
3. On ITA Fare Matrix, google flights, etc. - only AA combinations exist.

It may simply be the case that I don’t know where to look - if so, kindly point me to a good place where I can book. If you are going to say the interline is solely for IRROPs, that is what I call a dummy partner. That’s all.



You might note the reference I included was from Delta's Travel Agency link; clearly, any agency could book that, if you want. I cannot tell you what you might find on any website; I am not your travel agent. I am just verifying that the claims you were making were false.
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onwFan
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Re: The future of Skyteam - is there any?

Fri May 01, 2020 3:53 am

alfa164 wrote:
onwFan wrote:
jordanh wrote:


Yes; almost all major airlines have interline agreements - despite what one person here claims.

I never said DL doesn’t interline with AA/UA. Pointing to a list of carriers is one thing - but can you help me book an intinerary involving DL and MF?

Take the simplest example of a flight from a Delta hub to XMN/FOC:-
1. On Delta’s website - No MF
2. On MF’s website - only AA/AS
3. On ITA Fare Matrix, google flights, etc. - only AA combinations exist.

It may simply be the case that I don’t know where to look - if so, kindly point me to a good place where I can book. If you are going to say the interline is solely for IRROPs, that is what I call a dummy partner. That’s all.



You might note the reference I included was from Delta's Travel Agency link; clearly, any agency could book that, if you want. I cannot tell you what you might find on any website; I am not your travel agent. I am just verifying that the claims you were making were false.

Lol... so basically you couldn’t find any flight options! :-P Glad to see that booking flights with DL and SkyTeam partners is so easy! If the only way of booking a flight is by calling a travel agent, then there is no difference between an interline partner and a SkyTeam partner.
 
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Re: The future of Skyteam - is there any?

Fri May 01, 2020 5:11 am

usdcaguy wrote:
Blerg wrote:
usdcaguy wrote:

OTP definitely needs more capacity and air bridges. RO also struggles with its bad image from the 90’s when in many places it was considered the “cheap” carrier and not the preferred one. They do offer good service and a competitive product now, but this has not translated into profitable expansion, likely due to its hub issues.

It really is a shame that OK hasn’t been more aggressive at expanding, but it faces a lot of LCC competition on short-haul routes. Years ago, DL was flying OK* codeshares year-round on JFK-PRG and seasonal ATL-PRG that would have given them feed, but those flights didn’t stick around except for seasonal JFK-PRG. The OK-operated flight to JFK has never come back, either.

Adding JU to ST might be a good idea, but it offers little service to markets that aren’t currently served by other ST partners. Interior ex-Yugoslav markets aren’t exactly a goldmine, either. After AZ leaves the alliance, I JU might make a better fit. I’m not sure JU would want to be in an alliance dominated by an American carrier, however.


Well Air Serbia isn't all about ex-Yugoslav routes, they have quite a decent network beyond this region for an airline their size. This summer they were supposed to have the following destinations in the Balkans:

OTP 11x
SOF 7x
TIA 14x
IST 7x
SKG 14x
ATH 14x

And then add to that the ex-YU destinations: LJU, ZAG, PUY, RJK, SPU, DBV, ZAD, SJJ, BNX, TGD, TIV and SKP.

They also fly to Larnaca, Beirut, Cairo, Krasnodar and this summer they seem to be going ahead with the introduction of Amman, Rostov, Lviv and Kishinev.

So I do believe that they do have a nice niche market that SkyTeam could profit from.


RO and AZ are both on shaky ground, so it will be interesting to see how things play out. They both already offer connections to many places in SE Europe, but further retrenchment may push the envelope.


Both have cut destinations in recent times, that is even before corona happened. RO suspended LCA in winter only while AZ cut it completely. AZ has cut ZAG and SKP over the years and never brought them back. Tarom cut Odessa and I think Tbilisi... so both of these struggled in many markets even before the crisis, I can only imagine what will happen after. Especially at Tarom which is more exposed to the LCC onslaught.
 
Akiestar
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Re: The future of Skyteam - is there any?

Fri May 01, 2020 5:36 am

onwFan wrote:
alfa164 wrote:
onwFan wrote:
I never said DL doesn’t interline with AA/UA. Pointing to a list of carriers is one thing - but can you help me book an intinerary involving DL and MF?

Take the simplest example of a flight from a Delta hub to XMN/FOC:-
1. On Delta’s website - No MF
2. On MF’s website - only AA/AS
3. On ITA Fare Matrix, google flights, etc. - only AA combinations exist.

It may simply be the case that I don’t know where to look - if so, kindly point me to a good place where I can book. If you are going to say the interline is solely for IRROPs, that is what I call a dummy partner. That’s all.



You might note the reference I included was from Delta's Travel Agency link; clearly, any agency could book that, if you want. I cannot tell you what you might find on any website; I am not your travel agent. I am just verifying that the claims you were making were false.

Lol... so basically you couldn’t find any flight options! :-P Glad to see that booking flights with DL and SkyTeam partners is so easy! If the only way of booking a flight is by calling a travel agent, then there is no difference between an interline partner and a SkyTeam partner.


Lots of people book with regular travel agents, so I don't see why you're bashing on people who do, or bashing on DL for not offering MF itineraries on their website. Sure, DL doesn't make it easy to book MF flights (I can't even redeem SkyMiles for MF flights, and I've tried), but that in no way makes MF a "dummy" partner.

Interline agreements help too for baggage: DL I imagine can tag bags onto MF flights and/or vice-versa, so why are you insisting that they don't interline when they do?
 
potter787
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Re: The future of Skyteam - is there any?

Fri May 01, 2020 5:46 pm

There is a fundamentally difference between Interline and Codeshare. DL indeed interlines will many airlines, it just helps with check-in and baggage but it does not mean they have to sell each other's ticket.

Alot of airlines in the same alliance don't do codeshare e.g SQ and UA never codeshare their SIN SFO. So there is nothing strange that DL don't codeshare with all Skyteam partners. They don't have to.
 
onwFan
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Re: The future of Skyteam - is there any?

Fri May 01, 2020 6:08 pm

potter787 wrote:
There is a fundamentally difference between Interline and Codeshare. DL indeed interlines will many airlines, it just helps with check-in and baggage but it does not mean they have to sell each other's ticket.

Alot of airlines in the same alliance don't do codeshare e.g SQ and UA never codeshare their SIN SFO. So there is nothing strange that DL don't codeshare with all Skyteam partners. They don't have to.

Nobody said anything about codeshare. Apparently, DL and MF have an interline agreement on paper, but not even connecting flights (not codeshare) are being made available, even on MF flights to the US or DL flights to China. Another member pointed out that they have not had success in redeeming Skymiles on MF (I am not the one claiming this!). So as a customer, for all practical purposes, the partnership seems like a joke. That was all I was saying.
 
potter787
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Re: The future of Skyteam - is there any?

Fri May 01, 2020 6:29 pm

onwFan wrote:
Nobody said anything about codeshare. Apparently, DL and MF have an interline agreement on paper, but not even connecting flights (not codeshare) are being made available, even on MF flights to the US or DL flights to China. Another member pointed out that they have not had success in redeeming Skymiles on MF (I am not the one claiming this!). So as a customer, for all practical purposes, the partnership seems like a joke. That was all I was saying.


It is a very US-centric view, but there are other members in SkyTeam that MF partners with (AF, KL, KE). Skyteam alliance is not the same with DL's group of friends. DL has pursued that via JV on its own. Alliance provides a platform for coordination but it's up to each airline to choose
 
smartplane
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Re: The future of Skyteam - is there any?

Fri May 01, 2020 11:36 pm

These strategic alliances make their money in a number of ways:

Joining fee
Membership fee
Transaction fees (offset against membership fee initially)
Special fees - for promotions, one-off marketing and technology, etc.

More likely some current members will disappear, than new arrive, increasing costs for those remaining? How many members are currently not-financial? How many members are asking for a reduction in membership fees to align with reduced transaction fees?

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