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skipness1E
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Re: BA could make up to 12,000 employees redundant

Fri Jun 26, 2020 6:44 pm

Galwayman wrote:
I saw that article. Can't believe BA pay some CC £70k and others £28k ... The legacy fleet should have been dealt with years ago . Zero sympathy.

It’s a tiny minority and Mixed Fleet would deal with this over time. It was once a career with prospects, now intended to burn kids out while they’re young and replace them.

Perhaps you’d share your salary with us so we can decide your worth too?
 
APYu
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Re: BA could make up to 12,000 employees redundant

Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:49 am

BAs fares haven’t really dropped though so not sure the crew are paid less as we are paying less
We'd like to welcome in particular our Executive Club members and those joining us from our Oneworld alliance partners.
 
APYu
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Re: BA could make up to 12,000 employees redundant

Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:54 am

marcelh wrote:
Westerwaelder wrote:
marcelh wrote:
Never waste a crisis to please the shareholders.


It's an international race to the bottom. And as much as we like to blame others, it is us as consumers that have got the ball rolling. Cheap, cheaper, cheapest. From clothing (now made by people barely being paid enough to live), to food (the meat industry in most places is nothing short of a disgrace) to flights. We all love a good bargain. As long as it was someone else's industries impacted we were all fine with it. Now that it has reached the airlines it's a big outrage and an injustice.

Who on here will pay an extra £50 per ticket (short haul economy) to fly BA so the crew can be paid the same?

Where does that £50 per ticket come from? And yes, I’m willing to pay some more. But unfortunately that money will Probably go to the shareholders. IMHO shareholder greed is the Anglo-Saxon cancer.


Yes, shareholders (the owners of the company) are the most important people to any private company. Not sure that’s going to change unless we move to a very different political system
We'd like to welcome in particular our Executive Club members and those joining us from our Oneworld alliance partners.
 
marcelh
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Re: BA could make up to 12,000 employees redundant

Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:29 am

APYu wrote:
marcelh wrote:
Westerwaelder wrote:

It's an international race to the bottom. And as much as we like to blame others, it is us as consumers that have got the ball rolling. Cheap, cheaper, cheapest. From clothing (now made by people barely being paid enough to live), to food (the meat industry in most places is nothing short of a disgrace) to flights. We all love a good bargain. As long as it was someone else's industries impacted we were all fine with it. Now that it has reached the airlines it's a big outrage and an injustice.

Who on here will pay an extra £50 per ticket (short haul economy) to fly BA so the crew can be paid the same?

Where does that £50 per ticket come from? And yes, I’m willing to pay some more. But unfortunately that money will Probably go to the shareholders. IMHO shareholder greed is the Anglo-Saxon cancer.


Yes, shareholders (the owners of the company) are the most important people to any private company. Not sure that’s going to change unless we move to a very different political system

I don’t agree we have to move to a very different political system. IMHO we should make some adjustments to prevent unwanted side effects.
 
Nightmareliner
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Re: BA could make up to 12,000 employees redundant

Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:07 pm

Galwayman wrote:
TUGMASTER wrote:
Galwayman wrote:
I saw that article. Can't believe BA pay some CC £70k and others £28k ... The legacy fleet should have been dealt with years ago . Zero sympathy.


It’s called seniority ....
Those people on the top bucks deserve every penny.
They’ve helped put the company where it is today, and for the past 30 years +....


Rubbish. they've been greedy, it's time to move on - I'm sure Mixed fleet crew will be glad to see the back of them -It's called greed and entitlement, sod seniority


Absolutely not. I have never once resented legacy for earning what they do. And 99% of Mixed Fleet don't either. We'd love to earn what they earn, don't get me wrong. But to say I'd / we'd love to see them out of a job? Please, grow up & have some respect rather than second guessing how people feel.

Their contracts were written when that was the market rate. That's not greed - they are paying what BA agreed to pay them once upon a time.
 
TUGMASTER
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Re: BA could make up to 12,000 employees redundant

Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:27 pm

Any news on you BA777FO...?
Grim rumours re: LGW 777 flight crew circulating in the press a few days ago.
 
gunnerman
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Re: BA could make up to 12,000 employees redundant

Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:56 pm

Bear in mind that it's LHR pilots who fly the LGW 777s.
 
flyjay123
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Re: BA could make up to 12,000 employees redundant

Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:49 pm

skipness1E wrote:
Galwayman wrote:
I saw that article. Can't believe BA pay some CC £70k and others £28k ...

. It was once a career with prospects, now intended to burn kids out while they’re young and replace them.

Perhaps you’d share your salary with us so we can decide your worth too?


How exactly do they burn the kids out while they're young?
Aren't ALL crew regulated to fly a maximum of 80 hours in any 28 days, irrespective of what contract their on. Therefore the workload can't be that different between them.

In all honesty I think 28k is more than enough pay for an average 25 hours work a week. Some only fly two 10 hour sectors once a week!
 
Thomaas
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Re: BA could make up to 12,000 employees redundant

Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:54 pm

flyjay123 wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
Galwayman wrote:
I saw that article. Can't believe BA pay some CC £70k and others £28k ...

. It was once a career with prospects, now intended to burn kids out while they’re young and replace them.

Perhaps you’d share your salary with us so we can decide your worth too?


How exactly do they burn the kids out while they're young?
Aren't ALL crew regulated to fly a maximum of 80 hours in any 28 days, irrespective of what contract their on. Therefore the workload can't be that different between them.

In all honesty I think 28k is more than enough pay for an average 25 hours work a week. Some only fly two 10 hour sectors once a week!

Flight crew is supposed to earn you as much as full time employment, regardless of how many hours you actually fly. One does not count the long airport commutes, time on the ground before pushback, delays or layovers. Although crew members don’t spend a large amount of time actually flying, they do spend many more unpaid hours on-duty.
 
Westerwaelder
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Re: BA could make up to 12,000 employees redundant

Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:29 pm

flyjay123 wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
Galwayman wrote:
I saw that article. Can't believe BA pay some CC £70k and others £28k ...

. It was once a career with prospects, now intended to burn kids out while they’re young and replace them.

Perhaps you’d share your salary with us so we can decide your worth too?


How exactly do they burn the kids out while they're young?
Aren't ALL crew regulated to fly a maximum of 80 hours in any 28 days, irrespective of what contract their on. Therefore the workload can't be that different between them.

In all honesty I think 28k is more than enough pay for an average 25 hours work a week. Some only fly two 10 hour sectors once a week!


There is a big difference if you fly longhaul only or mixed schedules. The limit is 900 flying hours a year but as mentioned there is a lot of time spent before and after. Proportionally that increases with shorter flights. If as a result of hour limitation you get rostered seven trips on seven days from LHR to AMS instead of one JFK nightstop, you would soon notice the difference.

And as for your remark about salary, it's a full time job. Have you ever done it? Tiredness from irregular schedules accumulates over time. Working during the day today, during the night tomorrow, back to during the day... There is a reason why nurses, policemen etc do longer shift patterns. I am not saying it's astro physics but every job is worth being paid a living wage for. I am not sure what your circumstances are and it doesn't matter, but try raising a (or more) child (ren) in London on £28k a year...
 
Opus99
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Re: BA could make up to 12,000 employees redundant

Sun Jul 05, 2020 3:54 pm

Apparently a deal has been reached with BA & BALPA. Details not yet revealed

https://twitter.com/headforpoints/statu ... 65664?s=21
 
Vicenza
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Re: BA could make up to 12,000 employees redundant

Sun Jul 05, 2020 4:16 pm

APYu wrote:
marcelh wrote:
Westerwaelder wrote:

Yes, shareholders (the owners of the company) are the most important people to any private company. Not sure that’s going to change unless we move to a very different political system


Are they really? But then, that's the problem isn't it.......because without customers shareholders are really pretty worthless in themselves.
 
mattyfitzg
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Re: BA could make up to 12,000 employees redundant

Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:34 pm

BA Cityflyer today confirmed closure of its Edinburgh base, working with BALPA & Unite to minimise redundancies.
 
75driver
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BA Pilots Accept Temp 20% Pay Cut

Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:41 pm

The pilots wanted to save as many jobs as possible. This vote limits the redundancy cuts even though there will be some. It won’t be as bad with this concession. Likely one of several dominoes to fall in response to COVId repercussion.

https://www.balpa.org/Media-Centre/Pres ... -Jobs-Deal
 
a350lover
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Re: BA could make up to 12,000 employees redundant

Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:29 pm

Any inner update on the development of negotiations of new contracts for cabin crews?
I heard they were notified recently with wether new contract terms (which they were due to accept before the 17/08) or redundancies.
Will it be enough with the voluntary leaves? I hope BA crews can make it through this saving the maximum amount of jobs;)
 
fcogafa
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Re: BA could make up to 12,000 employees redundant

Mon Aug 10, 2020 4:40 pm

There are suggestions that the bulk of staff cuts are being made at Gatwick, suggesting that short haul is being pulled permanently. This coincides with a report about one Gatwick terminal remaining closed well into 2021.

https://www.headforpoints.com/2020/08/0 ... m-gatwick/
 
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mercure1
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Re: BA could make up to 12,000 employees redundant

Mon Aug 10, 2020 4:55 pm

Redundancy notices went out last week with over 10,000 being cut. Good news at least was that 6,000 of those were voluntary departures.

https://news.sky.com/story/more-than-10 ... t-12044454
mercure f-wtcc
 
Speedbird2155
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Re: BA could make up to 12,000 employees redundant

Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:20 pm

The figures being quoted are incorrect and BA has not confirmed a final number as yet. Many areas are still going through the process and have not communicated the outcomes to the staff in those departments.
 
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jfklganyc
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Re: BA could make up to 12,000 employees redundant

Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:46 pm

At the risk of sounding cruel... what is taking so long?

I know they don’t have an October 1 date like the US. International travel is down 80 plus percent. They have an almost non existent domestic network.

Isnt this the same “worst case” scenario they have been discussing for 6 months? Wouldnt it be better to stop the bleeding of cash already?
 
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Re: BA could make up to 12,000 employees redundant

Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:13 am

jfklganyc wrote:
At the risk of sounding cruel... what is taking so long?

I know they don’t have an October 1 date like the US. International travel is down 80 plus percent. They have an almost non existent domestic network.

Isnt this the same “worst case” scenario they have been discussing for 6 months? Wouldnt it be better to stop the bleeding of cash already?


In the UK, any company wanting to make 100 or more employees has to follow a a 45 day consultation process before any dismissals become effective and involve the trade unions.

Additionally, it's becoming more apparent that the longer this crisis goes on the less likely it is demand will bounce back to pre-COVID levels, so it's probably meant companies are having to change plans to recover from it as anything drawn up in April/May time probably wouldn't work now.

Finally, given the amount of bad press BA have been receiving since the Spring over the treatment of their staff, I would hazard a guess it's dawned on them that following through with mass compulsory redundancies would tarnish their brand even further, so being cynical it would be "better" for their image if many of them choose to take voluntary redundancy. Not that it makes it easier for those affected though and I feel for them. Regardless of brand damage, I doubt it will some people from flying with them though, especially those that fly exclusively BA.
 
jomur
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Re: BA could make up to 12,000 employees redundant

Tue Aug 11, 2020 9:48 am

Boeing74741R wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
At the risk of sounding cruel... what is taking so long?

I know they don’t have an October 1 date like the US. International travel is down 80 plus percent. They have an almost non existent domestic network.

Isnt this the same “worst case” scenario they have been discussing for 6 months? Wouldnt it be better to stop the bleeding of cash already?


In the UK, any company wanting to make 100 or more employees has to follow a a 45 day consultation process before any dismissals become effective and involve the trade unions.

Additionally, it's becoming more apparent that the longer this crisis goes on the less likely it is demand will bounce back to pre-COVID levels, so it's probably meant companies are having to change plans to recover from it as anything drawn up in April/May time probably wouldn't work now.

Finally, given the amount of bad press BA have been receiving since the Spring over the treatment of their staff, I would hazard a guess it's dawned on them that following through with mass compulsory redundancies would tarnish their brand even further, so being cynical it would be "better" for their image if many of them choose to take voluntary redundancy. Not that it makes it easier for those affected though and I feel for them. Regardless of brand damage, I doubt it will some people from flying with them though, especially those that fly exclusively BA.


Any bad press will be short lived. In BAs favour is the fact that passengers are generally happy with how they have handled refunds so are more likely to rebook with them later compared to how other airlines have/are handling refunds, looking at you Virgin...
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