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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 8:52 am

I know many flights are freight only at the moment but I am really surprised at the volume of aircraft still flying. Yet on the other hand, I am more surprised how few of these are either QF or to a lesser degree, VA. Even NZ over the past few days have had 4 or 5 wide bodies in the air at the same time. Even as at right now, NZ have 4 widebodies on LH international missions according to FR24
What gives?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 9:10 am

Velocity7 wrote:
I know many flights are freight only at the moment but I am really surprised at the volume of aircraft still flying. Yet on the other hand, I am more surprised how few of these are either QF or to a lesser degree, VA. Even NZ over the past few days have had 4 or 5 wide bodies in the air at the same time. Even as at right now, NZ have 4 widebodies on LH international missions according to FR24
What gives?


Ministry of Transport funding for NZ.... the Government has made sure that freight to/from New Zealand keeps moving.

Most of NZ’s 77Ws and 789s are still flying a couple of times an week, and just the 77E’s are currently parked.

Take that Qantas hasn’t had the same support when it comes to freight? But then Qantas does have access to dedicated freighters.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 9:15 am

Velocity7 wrote:
I know many flights are freight only at the moment but I am really surprised at the volume of aircraft still flying. Yet on the other hand, I am more surprised how few of these are either QF or to a lesser degree, VA. Even NZ over the past few days have had 4 or 5 wide bodies in the air at the same time. Even as at right now, NZ have 4 widebodies on LH international missions according to FR24
What gives?


Looking at FR24 now too, there's x4 QF heavies in the skies right now too. 2x A333 (MEL-HKG/SYD-PVG) and 2x B748F (SYD-PVG/ICN-ANC).
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 9:33 am

eta unknown wrote:
Why single out QLD as WA is also closed- just ask Clive Palmer lol.
I'm sure the QLD Premier has concluded as there is a state election this year, keeping the state healthy is a higher priority even it affects those in the tourism sector.


I agree, I would rather remain closed instead of being Australia's test puppets. One minute we're being laughed at by every state for reopening beaches and park and then the next minute we're being shouted at for keeping our borders closed. Us QLDers cant catch a break :shock: . Sure, the closure of almost everything travel has exponentially made it harder for me to get a job, being a freshly qualified pilot but I would rather be healthy and not live with the burden of giving the virus to someone of age and them passing away due to my carelessness.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 9:37 am

Fuling wrote:
Velocity7 wrote:
I know many flights are freight only at the moment but I am really surprised at the volume of aircraft still flying. Yet on the other hand, I am more surprised how few of these are either QF or to a lesser degree, VA. Even NZ over the past few days have had 4 or 5 wide bodies in the air at the same time. Even as at right now, NZ have 4 widebodies on LH international missions according to FR24
What gives?


Looking at FR24 now too, there's x4 QF heavies in the skies right now too. 2x A333 (MEL-HKG/SYD-PVG) and 2x B748F (SYD-PVG/ICN-ANC).


You will find those 2 x B748F's are Atlas Air, so technically not "Qantas" aircraft/liveried...
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 10:02 am

Kieros wrote:
Fuling wrote:
Velocity7 wrote:
I know many flights are freight only at the moment but I am really surprised at the volume of aircraft still flying. Yet on the other hand, I am more surprised how few of these are either QF or to a lesser degree, VA. Even NZ over the past few days have had 4 or 5 wide bodies in the air at the same time. Even as at right now, NZ have 4 widebodies on LH international missions according to FR24
What gives?


Looking at FR24 now too, there's x4 QF heavies in the skies right now too. 2x A333 (MEL-HKG/SYD-PVG) and 2x B748F (SYD-PVG/ICN-ANC).


You will find those 2 x B748F's are Atlas Air, so technically not "Qantas" aircraft/liveried...


Yes I'm aware of the livery/ownership, but they are operated by Qantas Freight though, aren't they? CMIIW.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 10:33 am

Fuling wrote:
Kieros wrote:
Fuling wrote:

Looking at FR24 now too, there's x4 QF heavies in the skies right now too. 2x A333 (MEL-HKG/SYD-PVG) and 2x B748F (SYD-PVG/ICN-ANC).


You will find those 2 x B748F's are Atlas Air, so technically not "Qantas" aircraft/liveried...


Yes I'm aware of the livery/ownership, but they are operated by Qantas Freight though, aren't they? CMIIW.


They’re operated by Atlas Air for Qantas freight.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 11:39 am

eta unknown wrote:
Why single out QLD as WA is also closed- just ask Clive Palmer lol.
I'm sure the QLD Premier has concluded as there is a state election this year, keeping the state healthy is a higher priority even it affects those in the tourism sector.

Don't really think the WA government cares if border stays closed as long as the Job Keeper is available. Mining is business as usual & hotels in metro area enjoying the business of interstate workers forced to stay in Perth
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 12:33 pm

Fuling wrote:
Yes I'm aware of the livery/ownership, but they are operated by Qantas Freight though, aren't they? CMIIW.


Well they do have some Qantas livery, just not the prime part
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 12:52 pm

SriLankan A332 operating a cargo only flight into SYD today

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 10:02 pm

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SriLankan A332 operating a cargo only flight into SYD today

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https://twitter.com/www16Right/status/1 ... 33088?s=20

UL607 not long ago passed over my house on it's return to CMB. My wife actually spotted it and told me. She says i've turned her into me :smile:
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 6:16 am

Bain Capital has confirmed they are preparing a second round proposal to become owners of Virgin. In a statement issued Sunday they say they want to bring back on Virgin Blue vibe back to Virgin Australia. The team of advisors and specialists for Bain Capital includes Jayne Hrdlicka, former CEO of Jetstar and was also tipped to be a candidate for CEO for Qantas. If Bain Capital is successful, Jayne Hrdlicka could potentially become CEO of Virgin.

Bain Capital marking director in Sydney Mike Murphy also said that a Virgin owned by Bain Capital

will be an airline for all Australians, with Australian management and staff, funded by significant Australian money, and Bain Capital, which has been investing in Australia for more than 20 years.


https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ralia-bain

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN23004W
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 6:35 am

qf789 wrote:
Bain Capital has confirmed they are preparing a second round proposal to become owners of Virgin. In a statement issued Sunday they say they want to bring back on Virgin Blue vibe back to Virgin Australia. The team of advisors and specialists for Bain Capital includes Jayne Hrdlicka, former CEO of Jetstar and was also tipped to be a candidate for CEO for Qantas. If Bain Capital is successful, Jayne Hrdlicka could potentially become CEO of Virgin.

Bain Capital marking director in Sydney Mike Murphy also said that a Virgin owned by Bain Capital

will be an airline for all Australians, with Australian management and staff, funded by significant Australian money, and Bain Capital, which has been investing in Australia for more than 20 years.


https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ralia-bain

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN23004W


Good luck if Jayne Hrdlicka is running the ship.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 7:22 am

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The Canberra Airport CEO has proposed a SA/QLD/ACT travel bubble. On the cards would be flights from CBR to both BNE and ADL

https://australianaviation.com.au/2020/ ... bble-plan/


Crazy idea. ACT is as permeable to NSW as any other regional area... He's only interested in his own bottom line.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Mon May 25, 2020 4:23 am

BITRE (international) out for March 2020 - its out a week early

https://www.bitre.gov.au/sites/default/ ... y_0320.pdf

China, Japan, Korea and Hong Kong saw the biggest falls

Qatar was the only airline to see growth for the month of 0.1%, ADL saw passenger numbers fall, PER, SYD and MEL all saw passenger numbers increase, freight fell 7.6%

Qantas saw the highest load factor on South Africa (inbound at 93%)

Worst performers

Chinese Airlines - while all saw strong loads ex Australia loads into Australia for the month were poor (CA - 16.4%, MU - 8.6%, CZ - 11.5% and MF - 8.4%)
Citilink - 16.7% inbound and 22.3% outbound
Batik - 37.6% inbound and 24% outbound

Across the board all other carriers saw traffic numbers decrease with overall passenger numbers down 47,5% while freight fell 18.8%

ADL down 46.5%
AVV down 52.7%
BNE down 45.1%
CNS down 61.5%
CBR down 56.5%
DRW down 52.7%
OOL down 47.9%
MEL down 46.7%
PER down 46.4%
SYD down 48.3%

All figures below are a comparison to last year (March 2019) unless stated, freight numbers do not include mail

Aircalin - down 43.6%, freight up 402%
Air Canada - down 12.7%, freight down 11.7%
Air China - down 93%, freight down 84.1%
Air India - down 23.7%, freight down 6.8%
Air Mauritius - down 27.3%, freight down 16.2 %
Air New Zealand - all markets fell 44.7%, New Zealand fell 44.7% while SYD-RAR fell 41.6%, freight fell overall 14.5%, New Zealand down by 14.4% and SYD-RAR down by just over 50%
Air Niugini - down 45.8%, freight down 11%
Air Vanuatu - down 43%, freight down 21.8%
Air Asia X - down 58.6%, freight down 49.4%
ANA - down 21.4%, freight up 74%
American Airlines - down 56.3%, freight down 37.2%
Asiana - down 88.3%, freight down 57%
Batik - down 49.6%
Beijing Capital - no service in March, down 100%
British Airways - overall down 21.5%, LHR down 0.5% while SIN down 51.5%, freight up 17.2% overall, LHR down 10.3% while SIN up 74.6%
Cathay Pacific - down 77.7%, freight down 23.2%
Cebu Pacific - down 58.4%, freight up 0.3%
China Airlines - overall all services down 50.4%, TPE 45.7% while New Zealand was down 63.8%, freight overall was down 4.4%, TPE went up 11% while New Zealand fell 58.1%
China Eastern - down 77.9%, freight down 19.7%
China Southern - down 86.1%, freight down 50.3%
Delta Airlines - down 48.2%, freight down by 34.1%
Donghai Airlines - No service in March, down 100%
Emirates - overall down 36%, DXB down 28.1%, SIN down 66.7% and CHC down 53.7%, freight fell over all sectors by 25.8%, DXB fell by 28.6%, SIN down 32.9% and CHC down 30%
Etihad - down 22%, freight down 26.3%
Eva Air - down 78.4%, freight up 40.8%
Fiji Airways - down 44.8%, freight up 2.5%
Garuda - down 33.1%, freight down 1.7%
Hainan - no services in March, down 100%
Hawaiian - down 32.6%, freight down 18.6%
Indonesia AirAsia X - down 50.3%, freight down 65.3%
Japan Airlines - down 49%, freight up 56%
Jetstar - all services fell 46.1%, NAN down 43.5%, DPS down 39.5%, Japan down 53.6%, Hew Zealand down 48%, SIN down 95.8%, Thailand down 39.5%, HNL down 80.2% and Vietnam down 38.2%. Freight over all sectors was down 33.1%, all saw falls in cargo with the exception of New Zealand which increased by 5.9%
Jetstar Asia - fell by 68%, freight down 69.8%
Korean Air - down 86.5%, cargo down 75.7%
LATAM - overall down 45.6%, AKL fell 58.2% while SCL was down 39.6%, freight over all sectors down 42.3%, SCL down 66.3% while AKL rose by 51.3%
Malaysia Airlines - down 37.7%, freight down 5.7%
Malindo - overall down 46.7%, KUL down 74.6% while DPS fell 5.1%
Nauru Airlines - down 49.4%, freight down 22.5%
Philippine Airlines - down 40.8%, freight down 3.2%
Qantas - average fall was 46.4% across all sectors, SCL down 23.5%, China - no services, HKG down 74.8%, Indonesia down 27%, Japan down 53.6%, NOU down 41.3%, New Zealand down 47.7%, POM down 26.6%, MNL down 44.7%, SIN down 55.2%, JNB down 13.4%, BKK down 26%, LHR down 9.6% and US down 32.5%. Most markets saw decreases in freight with the exception of the US up 9.4%, BKK up 8.5% and Indonesia up 24.1%
Royal Brunei - down 32.6%, freight down 27.2%
Samoa Airways - down 38.2%, freight up 69.5%
Scoot - down 48.4%, freight down 60.5%
Sichuan Airlines - no services in March, down 100%
Singapore Airlines - fell 4802% overall, SIN down 48% while MEL-WLG was down 61.6%, freight was down around 20% across all sectors
Solomon Airlines - down 40.9%, freight down 44.9%
South African - down by 57.4%, freight down by 67.7%
SriLankan - down 28.4%, freight down by 39.7%
Thai Airways down 19.8%, freight down 9.9%
Tianjin Airlines - no service in March, down 100%
United Airlines - down 35.2%, freight down 5.1%
Vietnam Airlines - down 45.2%, freight down 30.5%
Virgin - overall average across all sectors down 40.9%, NAN down 38.2%, HKG down 98.9% (note: VA pulled out of HKG in early March), DPS down 39.6%, New Zealand down 32.3%, POM down 39.2%, Solomon Islands down 33.9%, Tonga down 28.9%, US down 34.5%, Vanuatu down 49.8%, Western Samoa down 47.1%. Freight saw an average fall of 53.5%
Xiamen Airlines - down 79.9%, freight down 48.8%

Fedex - increase of freight by 31.8%, China rose 88.8% and SIN 7.7%, US fell by 3.5%
Polar Air Cargo - overall 47.3% with no service from China and US (both falling 100%), TPE increased 156.1% and Japan by 23.6%
UPS - overall freight up 20.3%, China down 18.5%, Korea up 197.6%, SIN up 38.7% and US down 4.4%
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Mon May 25, 2020 4:47 am

Virgin Australia Holdings Ltd’s (VAH.AX) administrators have reached in-principle agreements with aircraft lessors covering the bulk of its fleet to wait until after Aug. 31 to repossess planes, to allow them to complete a sale, an affidavit showed.

IIRC: It was originally thought that mid June was the period when lessors is able to repossess the leased VA aircraft before the recent agreement between lessors and Administrator Deloitte. (open to correction).

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN2310CH
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Mon May 25, 2020 6:13 am

SCFlyer wrote:
Virgin Australia Holdings Ltd’s (VAH.AX) administrators have reached in-principle agreements with aircraft lessors covering the bulk of its fleet to wait until after Aug. 31 to repossess planes, to allow them to complete a sale, an affidavit showed.

IIRC: It was originally thought that mid June was the period when lessors is able to repossess the leased VA aircraft before the recent agreement between lessors and Administrator Deloitte. (open to correction).

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN2310CH

Not surprising really. Usually lessors would be in a much stronger position but at the moment it will be very hard to find new lessees and most lessors will be hoping the new VA owners choose to enter into new leases for the planes even if the headline dollars go down.

A lot is made about the growth in liabilities in VA's accounts in the past couple of years. Some of this is due to the change in accounting standards last year where future operating lease payments became a balance sheet liability and the underlying asset (ie plane) became a leased asset. Previously operating leases were only ever shown as rental expenses as incurred and future lease liability was only a note to accounts. The $1.88B on lease liability in VA's accounts are not due and payable currently with the real overdue amount probably currently around $120M assuming the stated $40M/month lease payment amount is correct. If a new lease is agreed on the planes with the new owner, the whole existing future lease liability balance disappears.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Mon May 25, 2020 6:56 am

It doesnt dissapear, it is replaced by the new lease liability at the revised lease rates. It goes down - it may go down, it doesnt dissapear unless they have no leased aircraft.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Mon May 25, 2020 8:49 am

timtam wrote:
It doesnt dissapear, it is replaced by the new lease liability at the revised lease rates. It goes down - it may go down, it doesnt dissapear unless they have no leased aircraft.

Sorry, when I said disappear, I meant it is no longer a liability that has to be included in the administration and partially or fully settled as part of the administration wash-up.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Mon May 25, 2020 9:11 am

Tentative dates / times for the three remaining QF 744ER's to depart from Australia.

VH-OEI
Depart SYD 0930/02JUN
Arrive LAX 0620/02JUN

VH-OEE
Depart SYD 0930/16JUN
Arrive LAX 0620/16JUN

VHOEJ
Depart SYD 0930/30JUN
Arrive LAX 0620/30JUN

They will spend approx 24 hrs in LAX before flying to MHV
All have the same flight number QF6001.

Once again these are *tentative* dates / times only, obviously subject to change.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Mon May 25, 2020 10:48 am

FL420FT wrote:
Tentative dates / times for the three remaining QF 744ER's to depart from Australia.

VH-OEI
Depart SYD 0930/02JUN
Arrive LAX 0620/02JUN

VH-OEE
Depart SYD 0930/16JUN
Arrive LAX 0620/16JUN

VHOEJ
Depart SYD 0930/30JUN
Arrive LAX 0620/30JUN

They will spend approx 24 hrs in LAX before flying to MHV
All have the same flight number QF6001.

Once again these are *tentative* dates / times only, obviously subject to change.

No surprise with VH-OEJ “Wunala Dreaming” destined to be the last girl standing.

Hopefully a “Tour Of Australia” send off is on the cards even during these unprecedented times.


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