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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 9:33 am

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Why single out QLD as WA is also closed- just ask Clive Palmer lol.
I'm sure the QLD Premier has concluded as there is a state election this year, keeping the state healthy is a higher priority even it affects those in the tourism sector.


I agree, I would rather remain closed instead of being Australia's test puppets. One minute we're being laughed at by every state for reopening beaches and park and then the next minute we're being shouted at for keeping our borders closed. Us QLDers cant catch a break :shock: . Sure, the closure of almost everything travel has exponentially made it harder for me to get a job, being a freshly qualified pilot but I would rather be healthy and not live with the burden of giving the virus to someone of age and them passing away due to my carelessness.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 9:37 am

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Velocity7 wrote:
I know many flights are freight only at the moment but I am really surprised at the volume of aircraft still flying. Yet on the other hand, I am more surprised how few of these are either QF or to a lesser degree, VA. Even NZ over the past few days have had 4 or 5 wide bodies in the air at the same time. Even as at right now, NZ have 4 widebodies on LH international missions according to FR24
What gives?


Looking at FR24 now too, there's x4 QF heavies in the skies right now too. 2x A333 (MEL-HKG/SYD-PVG) and 2x B748F (SYD-PVG/ICN-ANC).


You will find those 2 x B748F's are Atlas Air, so technically not "Qantas" aircraft/liveried...
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 10:02 am

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Fuling wrote:
Velocity7 wrote:
I know many flights are freight only at the moment but I am really surprised at the volume of aircraft still flying. Yet on the other hand, I am more surprised how few of these are either QF or to a lesser degree, VA. Even NZ over the past few days have had 4 or 5 wide bodies in the air at the same time. Even as at right now, NZ have 4 widebodies on LH international missions according to FR24
What gives?


Looking at FR24 now too, there's x4 QF heavies in the skies right now too. 2x A333 (MEL-HKG/SYD-PVG) and 2x B748F (SYD-PVG/ICN-ANC).


You will find those 2 x B748F's are Atlas Air, so technically not "Qantas" aircraft/liveried...


Yes I'm aware of the livery/ownership, but they are operated by Qantas Freight though, aren't they? CMIIW.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 10:33 am

Fuling wrote:
Kieros wrote:
Fuling wrote:

Looking at FR24 now too, there's x4 QF heavies in the skies right now too. 2x A333 (MEL-HKG/SYD-PVG) and 2x B748F (SYD-PVG/ICN-ANC).


You will find those 2 x B748F's are Atlas Air, so technically not "Qantas" aircraft/liveried...


Yes I'm aware of the livery/ownership, but they are operated by Qantas Freight though, aren't they? CMIIW.


They’re operated by Atlas Air for Qantas freight.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 11:39 am

eta unknown wrote:
Why single out QLD as WA is also closed- just ask Clive Palmer lol.
I'm sure the QLD Premier has concluded as there is a state election this year, keeping the state healthy is a higher priority even it affects those in the tourism sector.

Don't really think the WA government cares if border stays closed as long as the Job Keeper is available. Mining is business as usual & hotels in metro area enjoying the business of interstate workers forced to stay in Perth
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 12:33 pm

Fuling wrote:
Yes I'm aware of the livery/ownership, but they are operated by Qantas Freight though, aren't they? CMIIW.


Well they do have some Qantas livery, just not the prime part
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 12:52 pm

SriLankan A332 operating a cargo only flight into SYD today

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 10:02 pm

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SriLankan A332 operating a cargo only flight into SYD today

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UL607 not long ago passed over my house on it's return to CMB. My wife actually spotted it and told me. She says i've turned her into me :smile:
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 6:16 am

Bain Capital has confirmed they are preparing a second round proposal to become owners of Virgin. In a statement issued Sunday they say they want to bring back on Virgin Blue vibe back to Virgin Australia. The team of advisors and specialists for Bain Capital includes Jayne Hrdlicka, former CEO of Jetstar and was also tipped to be a candidate for CEO for Qantas. If Bain Capital is successful, Jayne Hrdlicka could potentially become CEO of Virgin.

Bain Capital marking director in Sydney Mike Murphy also said that a Virgin owned by Bain Capital

will be an airline for all Australians, with Australian management and staff, funded by significant Australian money, and Bain Capital, which has been investing in Australia for more than 20 years.


https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ralia-bain

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN23004W
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 6:35 am

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Bain Capital has confirmed they are preparing a second round proposal to become owners of Virgin. In a statement issued Sunday they say they want to bring back on Virgin Blue vibe back to Virgin Australia. The team of advisors and specialists for Bain Capital includes Jayne Hrdlicka, former CEO of Jetstar and was also tipped to be a candidate for CEO for Qantas. If Bain Capital is successful, Jayne Hrdlicka could potentially become CEO of Virgin.

Bain Capital marking director in Sydney Mike Murphy also said that a Virgin owned by Bain Capital

will be an airline for all Australians, with Australian management and staff, funded by significant Australian money, and Bain Capital, which has been investing in Australia for more than 20 years.


https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ralia-bain

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN23004W


Good luck if Jayne Hrdlicka is running the ship.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 7:22 am

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The Canberra Airport CEO has proposed a SA/QLD/ACT travel bubble. On the cards would be flights from CBR to both BNE and ADL

https://australianaviation.com.au/2020/ ... bble-plan/


Crazy idea. ACT is as permeable to NSW as any other regional area... He's only interested in his own bottom line.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Mon May 25, 2020 4:23 am

BITRE (international) out for March 2020 - its out a week early

https://www.bitre.gov.au/sites/default/ ... y_0320.pdf

China, Japan, Korea and Hong Kong saw the biggest falls

Qatar was the only airline to see growth for the month of 0.1%, ADL saw passenger numbers fall, PER, SYD and MEL all saw passenger numbers increase, freight fell 7.6%

Qantas saw the highest load factor on South Africa (inbound at 93%)

Worst performers

Chinese Airlines - while all saw strong loads ex Australia loads into Australia for the month were poor (CA - 16.4%, MU - 8.6%, CZ - 11.5% and MF - 8.4%)
Citilink - 16.7% inbound and 22.3% outbound
Batik - 37.6% inbound and 24% outbound

Across the board all other carriers saw traffic numbers decrease with overall passenger numbers down 47,5% while freight fell 18.8%

ADL down 46.5%
AVV down 52.7%
BNE down 45.1%
CNS down 61.5%
CBR down 56.5%
DRW down 52.7%
OOL down 47.9%
MEL down 46.7%
PER down 46.4%
SYD down 48.3%

All figures below are a comparison to last year (March 2019) unless stated, freight numbers do not include mail

Aircalin - down 43.6%, freight up 402%
Air Canada - down 12.7%, freight down 11.7%
Air China - down 93%, freight down 84.1%
Air India - down 23.7%, freight down 6.8%
Air Mauritius - down 27.3%, freight down 16.2 %
Air New Zealand - all markets fell 44.7%, New Zealand fell 44.7% while SYD-RAR fell 41.6%, freight fell overall 14.5%, New Zealand down by 14.4% and SYD-RAR down by just over 50%
Air Niugini - down 45.8%, freight down 11%
Air Vanuatu - down 43%, freight down 21.8%
Air Asia X - down 58.6%, freight down 49.4%
ANA - down 21.4%, freight up 74%
American Airlines - down 56.3%, freight down 37.2%
Asiana - down 88.3%, freight down 57%
Batik - down 49.6%
Beijing Capital - no service in March, down 100%
British Airways - overall down 21.5%, LHR down 0.5% while SIN down 51.5%, freight up 17.2% overall, LHR down 10.3% while SIN up 74.6%
Cathay Pacific - down 77.7%, freight down 23.2%
Cebu Pacific - down 58.4%, freight up 0.3%
China Airlines - overall all services down 50.4%, TPE 45.7% while New Zealand was down 63.8%, freight overall was down 4.4%, TPE went up 11% while New Zealand fell 58.1%
China Eastern - down 77.9%, freight down 19.7%
China Southern - down 86.1%, freight down 50.3%
Delta Airlines - down 48.2%, freight down by 34.1%
Donghai Airlines - No service in March, down 100%
Emirates - overall down 36%, DXB down 28.1%, SIN down 66.7% and CHC down 53.7%, freight fell over all sectors by 25.8%, DXB fell by 28.6%, SIN down 32.9% and CHC down 30%
Etihad - down 22%, freight down 26.3%
Eva Air - down 78.4%, freight up 40.8%
Fiji Airways - down 44.8%, freight up 2.5%
Garuda - down 33.1%, freight down 1.7%
Hainan - no services in March, down 100%
Hawaiian - down 32.6%, freight down 18.6%
Indonesia AirAsia X - down 50.3%, freight down 65.3%
Japan Airlines - down 49%, freight up 56%
Jetstar - all services fell 46.1%, NAN down 43.5%, DPS down 39.5%, Japan down 53.6%, Hew Zealand down 48%, SIN down 95.8%, Thailand down 39.5%, HNL down 80.2% and Vietnam down 38.2%. Freight over all sectors was down 33.1%, all saw falls in cargo with the exception of New Zealand which increased by 5.9%
Jetstar Asia - fell by 68%, freight down 69.8%
Korean Air - down 86.5%, cargo down 75.7%
LATAM - overall down 45.6%, AKL fell 58.2% while SCL was down 39.6%, freight over all sectors down 42.3%, SCL down 66.3% while AKL rose by 51.3%
Malaysia Airlines - down 37.7%, freight down 5.7%
Malindo - overall down 46.7%, KUL down 74.6% while DPS fell 5.1%
Nauru Airlines - down 49.4%, freight down 22.5%
Philippine Airlines - down 40.8%, freight down 3.2%
Qantas - average fall was 46.4% across all sectors, SCL down 23.5%, China - no services, HKG down 74.8%, Indonesia down 27%, Japan down 53.6%, NOU down 41.3%, New Zealand down 47.7%, POM down 26.6%, MNL down 44.7%, SIN down 55.2%, JNB down 13.4%, BKK down 26%, LHR down 9.6% and US down 32.5%. Most markets saw decreases in freight with the exception of the US up 9.4%, BKK up 8.5% and Indonesia up 24.1%
Royal Brunei - down 32.6%, freight down 27.2%
Samoa Airways - down 38.2%, freight up 69.5%
Scoot - down 48.4%, freight down 60.5%
Sichuan Airlines - no services in March, down 100%
Singapore Airlines - fell 4802% overall, SIN down 48% while MEL-WLG was down 61.6%, freight was down around 20% across all sectors
Solomon Airlines - down 40.9%, freight down 44.9%
South African - down by 57.4%, freight down by 67.7%
SriLankan - down 28.4%, freight down by 39.7%
Thai Airways down 19.8%, freight down 9.9%
Tianjin Airlines - no service in March, down 100%
United Airlines - down 35.2%, freight down 5.1%
Vietnam Airlines - down 45.2%, freight down 30.5%
Virgin - overall average across all sectors down 40.9%, NAN down 38.2%, HKG down 98.9% (note: VA pulled out of HKG in early March), DPS down 39.6%, New Zealand down 32.3%, POM down 39.2%, Solomon Islands down 33.9%, Tonga down 28.9%, US down 34.5%, Vanuatu down 49.8%, Western Samoa down 47.1%. Freight saw an average fall of 53.5%
Xiamen Airlines - down 79.9%, freight down 48.8%

Fedex - increase of freight by 31.8%, China rose 88.8% and SIN 7.7%, US fell by 3.5%
Polar Air Cargo - overall 47.3% with no service from China and US (both falling 100%), TPE increased 156.1% and Japan by 23.6%
UPS - overall freight up 20.3%, China down 18.5%, Korea up 197.6%, SIN up 38.7% and US down 4.4%
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Mon May 25, 2020 4:47 am

Virgin Australia Holdings Ltd’s (VAH.AX) administrators have reached in-principle agreements with aircraft lessors covering the bulk of its fleet to wait until after Aug. 31 to repossess planes, to allow them to complete a sale, an affidavit showed.

IIRC: It was originally thought that mid June was the period when lessors is able to repossess the leased VA aircraft before the recent agreement between lessors and Administrator Deloitte. (open to correction).

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN2310CH
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Mon May 25, 2020 6:13 am

SCFlyer wrote:
Virgin Australia Holdings Ltd’s (VAH.AX) administrators have reached in-principle agreements with aircraft lessors covering the bulk of its fleet to wait until after Aug. 31 to repossess planes, to allow them to complete a sale, an affidavit showed.

IIRC: It was originally thought that mid June was the period when lessors is able to repossess the leased VA aircraft before the recent agreement between lessors and Administrator Deloitte. (open to correction).

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN2310CH

Not surprising really. Usually lessors would be in a much stronger position but at the moment it will be very hard to find new lessees and most lessors will be hoping the new VA owners choose to enter into new leases for the planes even if the headline dollars go down.

A lot is made about the growth in liabilities in VA's accounts in the past couple of years. Some of this is due to the change in accounting standards last year where future operating lease payments became a balance sheet liability and the underlying asset (ie plane) became a leased asset. Previously operating leases were only ever shown as rental expenses as incurred and future lease liability was only a note to accounts. The $1.88B on lease liability in VA's accounts are not due and payable currently with the real overdue amount probably currently around $120M assuming the stated $40M/month lease payment amount is correct. If a new lease is agreed on the planes with the new owner, the whole existing future lease liability balance disappears.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Mon May 25, 2020 6:56 am

It doesnt dissapear, it is replaced by the new lease liability at the revised lease rates. It goes down - it may go down, it doesnt dissapear unless they have no leased aircraft.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Mon May 25, 2020 8:49 am

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It doesnt dissapear, it is replaced by the new lease liability at the revised lease rates. It goes down - it may go down, it doesnt dissapear unless they have no leased aircraft.

Sorry, when I said disappear, I meant it is no longer a liability that has to be included in the administration and partially or fully settled as part of the administration wash-up.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Mon May 25, 2020 9:11 am

Tentative dates / times for the three remaining QF 744ER's to depart from Australia.

VH-OEI
Depart SYD 0930/02JUN
Arrive LAX 0620/02JUN

VH-OEE
Depart SYD 0930/16JUN
Arrive LAX 0620/16JUN

VHOEJ
Depart SYD 0930/30JUN
Arrive LAX 0620/30JUN

They will spend approx 24 hrs in LAX before flying to MHV
All have the same flight number QF6001.

Once again these are *tentative* dates / times only, obviously subject to change.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Mon May 25, 2020 10:48 am

FL420FT wrote:
Tentative dates / times for the three remaining QF 744ER's to depart from Australia.

VH-OEI
Depart SYD 0930/02JUN
Arrive LAX 0620/02JUN

VH-OEE
Depart SYD 0930/16JUN
Arrive LAX 0620/16JUN

VHOEJ
Depart SYD 0930/30JUN
Arrive LAX 0620/30JUN

They will spend approx 24 hrs in LAX before flying to MHV
All have the same flight number QF6001.

Once again these are *tentative* dates / times only, obviously subject to change.

No surprise with VH-OEJ “Wunala Dreaming” destined to be the last girl standing.

Hopefully a “Tour Of Australia” send off is on the cards even during these unprecedented times.


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Mon May 25, 2020 2:39 pm

EK413 wrote:
FL420FT wrote:
Tentative dates / times for the three remaining QF 744ER's to depart from Australia.

VH-OEI
Depart SYD 0930/02JUN
Arrive LAX 0620/02JUN

VH-OEE
Depart SYD 0930/16JUN
Arrive LAX 0620/16JUN

VHOEJ
Depart SYD 0930/30JUN
Arrive LAX 0620/30JUN

They will spend approx 24 hrs in LAX before flying to MHV
All have the same flight number QF6001.

Once again these are *tentative* dates / times only, obviously subject to change.

No surprise with VH-OEJ “Wunala Dreaming” destined to be the last girl standing.

Hopefully a “Tour Of Australia” send off is on the cards even during these unprecedented times.


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It may not necessarily be the last time they’re out here as the flights to Mojave are for long term storage.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Mon May 25, 2020 10:08 pm

VHZNE wrote:
EK413 wrote:
FL420FT wrote:
Tentative dates / times for the three remaining QF 744ER's to depart from Australia.

VH-OEI
Depart SYD 0930/02JUN
Arrive LAX 0620/02JUN

VH-OEE
Depart SYD 0930/16JUN
Arrive LAX 0620/16JUN

VHOEJ
Depart SYD 0930/30JUN
Arrive LAX 0620/30JUN

They will spend approx 24 hrs in LAX before flying to MHV
All have the same flight number QF6001.

Once again these are *tentative* dates / times only, obviously subject to change.

No surprise with VH-OEJ “Wunala Dreaming” destined to be the last girl standing.

Hopefully a “Tour Of Australia” send off is on the cards even during these unprecedented times.


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It may not necessarily be the last time they’re out here as the flights to Mojave are for long term storage.

That is technically correct but, assuming the planned 2020 retirement for the fleet remains unchanged, it is hard to see why they would need them any longer. International travel will remain virtually non-existent for the rest of the year.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Mon May 25, 2020 10:45 pm

Interesting that QF has bought the 717's back in house from Cobham:

https://australianaviation.com.au/2020/ ... -in-house/

By my reckoning there are 11 in a two class configuration that QF could use on Trunk routes to build frequency back along with the 737's. So it'll be interesting to see what they end up doing because I'd have thought a significant portion of the A330 / 789 fleet will remain on the ground for some time to come.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Mon May 25, 2020 11:06 pm

Sydscott wrote:
Interesting that QF has bought the 717's back in house from Cobham:

https://australianaviation.com.au/2020/ ... -in-house/

By my reckoning there are 11 in a two class configuration that QF could use on Trunk routes to build frequency back along with the 737's. So it'll be interesting to see what they end up doing because I'd have thought a significant portion of the A330 / 789 fleet will remain on the ground for some time to come.

The acquisition was necessary as Cobham in UK had put the Australian business up for sale following its acquisition by a US based private equity player who saw the AU business as non-core. QF has acquired the 717 NJS operation for which it was the only customer; not too sure what happens with the remainder of the Cobham AU bisiness which included Dash 8 Coastwatch services and some FIFO operations using RJ45s.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Tue May 26, 2020 7:22 am

I'd like to see the QFLink 717's on SYD-CFS. Might be the right size aircraft for some flights on that route, especially if VA does not return with their once a day 737 service.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Tue May 26, 2020 7:30 am

The Australian is reporting that CBA has expressed interest in providing debt facilities to the new Virgin assuming the new owner will refinance the business upon acquisition which is likely. It also said it is likely that bidders will acquire part of the exiting bonds, currently trading at 15c in the $. so they increase leverage over any vote of creditors though it is likely employees will dominate any vote and it is in their interests for the business to be sold rather than see a liquidation.

Assuming the administration results in a successful sale, it is likely the new Virgin would emerge with about $4B of debt, of which about $1.5B would be future lease obligations on aircraft operating leases and $500m employee leave obligations . Both of these are normal ongoing parts of the business' operations and not a concern in normal circumstances though obviously a problem in rare situations like Covid where the airline ceases any capacity to earn revenues. This calculation does vary depending on how large the new VA fleet is.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Tue May 26, 2020 8:34 am

tullamarine wrote:
Sydscott wrote:
Interesting that QF has bought the 717's back in house from Cobham:

https://australianaviation.com.au/2020/ ... -in-house/

By my reckoning there are 11 in a two class configuration that QF could use on Trunk routes to build frequency back along with the 737's. So it'll be interesting to see what they end up doing because I'd have thought a significant portion of the A330 / 789 fleet will remain on the ground for some time to come.

The acquisition was necessary as Cobham in UK had put the Australian business up for sale following its acquisition by a US based private equity player who saw the AU business as non-core. QF has acquired the 717 NJS operation for which it was the only customer; not too sure what happens with the remainder of the Cobham AU bisiness which included Dash 8 Coastwatch services and some FIFO operations using RJ45s.


Will Qantas buy the 717s that Delta are getting rid of, Qantas was after more 717s weren't they?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Tue May 26, 2020 8:45 am

tullamarine wrote:
QF has acquired the 717 NJS operation for which it was the only customer; not too sure what happens with the remainder of the Cobham AU bisiness which included Dash 8 Coastwatch services and some FIFO operations using RJ45s.


National Jet Express ("Cobham" branded 146/RJ/E190/Q400 ops) and Surveillance Australia (Dash 8/CL600 coast watch/search and rescue ops) remain with Cobham/Advent.

Flyingsottsman wrote:
Will Qantas buy the 717s that Delta are getting rid of, Qantas was after more 717s weren't they?


Any want or need of additional aircraft pre-Covid would surely be off the table now.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Tue May 26, 2020 8:54 am

Flyingsottsman wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
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Interesting that QF has bought the 717's back in house from Cobham:

https://australianaviation.com.au/2020/ ... -in-house/

By my reckoning there are 11 in a two class configuration that QF could use on Trunk routes to build frequency back along with the 737's. So it'll be interesting to see what they end up doing because I'd have thought a significant portion of the A330 / 789 fleet will remain on the ground for some time to come.

The acquisition was necessary as Cobham in UK had put the Australian business up for sale following its acquisition by a US based private equity player who saw the AU business as non-core. QF has acquired the 717 NJS operation for which it was the only customer; not too sure what happens with the remainder of the Cobham AU bisiness which included Dash 8 Coastwatch services and some FIFO operations using RJ45s.


Will Qantas buy the 717s that Delta are getting rid of, Qantas was after more 717s weren't they?


In the fullness of time, say ~2 years, I wouldn't be surprised to see Qantas picking up some Delta 717s, they would make a great replacement for the F100s and I could also see some more 2 class frames on the East Coast, but for the time being they won't be rushing into any purchases.

I said this in the relevant Delta thread, but since Hawaiian and Qantas are realistically the only buyers neither will see any need to rush a purchase before they are ready. They would probably only want ~20 each, at the most, out of a fleet of 80-odd. Without other buyers the aircraft will still be sitting in the Arizona desert when they want them, and with such a small in-service fleet there is a very limited after-market for spare parts so I doubt they would be a priority for scrapping as they are only worth scrap metal. If anything they are more valuable in one piece in the blind hope that HA/QF do eventually buy them!
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Tue May 26, 2020 9:54 am

anstar wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Bain Capital has confirmed they are preparing a second round proposal to become owners of Virgin. In a statement issued Sunday they say they want to bring back on Virgin Blue vibe back to Virgin Australia. The team of advisors and specialists for Bain Capital includes Jayne Hrdlicka, former CEO of Jetstar and was also tipped to be a candidate for CEO for Qantas. If Bain Capital is successful, Jayne Hrdlicka could potentially become CEO of Virgin.

Bain Capital marking director in Sydney Mike Murphy also said that a Virgin owned by Bain Capital

will be an airline for all Australians, with Australian management and staff, funded by significant Australian money, and Bain Capital, which has been investing in Australia for more than 20 years.


https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ralia-bain

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN23004W


Good luck if Jayne Hrdlicka is running the ship.


Why is it so contentious if she becomes the CEO?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Tue May 26, 2020 8:21 pm

ABpositive wrote:

Why is it so contentious if she becomes the CEO?


She wasn't exactly successful in her last role at A2.... She also shunned flying Jetstar when she was CEO and worked part time hours and was not a respected leader there. n She was lucky to have David Hall as the Aus/NZ CEO under her who was actually half decent.

She is probably only a foot in for the VA gig due to her previous connections with Bain.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Tue May 26, 2020 10:26 pm

Flyingsottsman wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
Sydscott wrote:
Interesting that QF has bought the 717's back in house from Cobham:

https://australianaviation.com.au/2020/ ... -in-house/

By my reckoning there are 11 in a two class configuration that QF could use on Trunk routes to build frequency back along with the 737's. So it'll be interesting to see what they end up doing because I'd have thought a significant portion of the A330 / 789 fleet will remain on the ground for some time to come.

The acquisition was necessary as Cobham in UK had put the Australian business up for sale following its acquisition by a US based private equity player who saw the AU business as non-core. QF has acquired the 717 NJS operation for which it was the only customer; not too sure what happens with the remainder of the Cobham AU bisiness which included Dash 8 Coastwatch services and some FIFO operations using RJ45s.


Will Qantas buy the 717s that Delta are getting rid of, Qantas was after more 717s weren't they?



QantasLink 717’s are leased. Should Qantas decide on more 717’s they’ll lease them.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 12:40 am

Qantas' advance schedules for 2021 show that the B747 has indeed made her last dash.

Qantas Boeing 787s headed for Johannesburg, Tokyo
The jumbo jet looks set to bow out of the Qantas' fleet with little fanfare.


https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... burg-tokyo


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 1:57 am

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QantasLink 717’s are leased. Should Qantas decide on more 717’s they’ll lease them.


QF now owns their 717s. They are listed as the registration holder (ie: owner) on the CASA register, if they were leased this field would show the lessor instead.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 2:08 am

BAeRJ100 wrote:
Flyingsottsman wrote:
Will Qantas buy the 717s that Delta are getting rid of, Qantas was after more 717s weren't they?


Any want or need of additional aircraft pre-Covid would surely be off the table now.


Depends on how airlines want to re-right size their fleets for the post Covid environment. In the A380 space, for sure, nothing going there, but 789s might still have a strong market.

Retiring a larger aircraft and cascading routes down to smaller aircraft and eventually to a B717 may be a way of maintaining and increasing profitability.

And given the 717 fleet is small, and DL wants to become smaller, there might be a decent price negotiation to be had.

Im not being pro 717 but i think anything is possible around the smaller aircraft space and its not necessarily a no-deal environment
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 2:36 am

EK413 wrote:
Qantas' advance schedules for 2021 show that the B747 has indeed made her last dash.

Qantas Boeing 787s headed for Johannesburg, Tokyo
The jumbo jet looks set to bow out of the Qantas' fleet with little fanfare.


https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... burg-tokyo


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I work in the industry and am acutely aware survival is key right now, and any route is a good route. But such a shame we never got to see BNE-ORD and BNE-SFO really grow. I’d imagine QF will be reallocating those 789 now, whilst expensive they are the right size to rebuild their network.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 4:44 am

1 of the 4 Virgin Bidders, Cyprus (former V America co-owner) tooting the "full service" trumpet, but reducing domestic fleet to 737s (disposing of VARA? + A330s?).

It's been rumoured elsewhere that owned 777s will be mothballed and International Flying will be 'NZ only' at first, with 'options' for 'building up' and 'replacing widebodies (777s)' as the post-COVID demand recovers.

So out of the 4, 2 are reported in the leaning in the LCC direction which is most certainly to be Indigo and possibly Bain(?) and the other 2 towards the full service/hybrid direction which is Cyprus and BGH/AusSuper(?)

https://www.smh.com.au/business/compani ... 54wnl.html
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 5:34 am

The Tourism Restart Taskforce has worked out a timeline for International flights to resume

1 July Proposed NZ bubble to include Pacific Islands as well
10 September - international flights to start resuming
15 December - all international flights started

https://7news.com.au/news/tourism/timet ... -c-1062328

I think the timeline for international flights is optimistic, considering that QF's biggest LH markets are the UK and the US, both of which are struggling to keep on top of their Coronavirus numbers. Personally would not expect there to come back till next year. Thoughts??
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 5:56 am

qf789 wrote:
The Tourism Restart Taskforce has worked out a timeline for International flights to resume

1 July Proposed NZ bubble to include Pacific Islands as well
10 September - international flights to start resuming
15 December - all international flights started

https://7news.com.au/news/tourism/timet ... -c-1062328

I think the timeline for international flights is optimistic, considering that QF's biggest LH markets are the UK and the US, both of which are struggling to keep on top of their Coronavirus numbers. Personally would not expect there to come back till next year. Thoughts??


Has Queensland sorted there issues out? Or is just going to end up with Tasman flights excluding QLD.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 5:59 am

qf789 wrote:
The Tourism Restart Taskforce has worked out a timeline for International flights to resume

1 July Proposed NZ bubble to include Pacific Islands as well
10 September - international flights to start resuming
15 December - all international flights started

https://7news.com.au/news/tourism/timet ... -c-1062328

I think the timeline for international flights is optimistic, considering that QF's biggest LH markets are the UK and the US, both of which are struggling to keep on top of their Coronavirus numbers. Personally would not expect there to come back till next year. Thoughts??


Optimistic. Given it shows June domestic starting up again when none of the airlines have increased their schedules says it all.

I'd expect domestic capacity to increase in July if all goes well and the earliest the TT bubble will open will be August IMHO. Forget wider international before at least Christmas.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 6:05 am

anstar wrote:
qf789 wrote:
The Tourism Restart Taskforce has worked out a timeline for International flights to resume

1 July Proposed NZ bubble to include Pacific Islands as well
10 September - international flights to start resuming
15 December - all international flights started

https://7news.com.au/news/tourism/timet ... -c-1062328

I think the timeline for international flights is optimistic, considering that QF's biggest LH markets are the UK and the US, both of which are struggling to keep on top of their Coronavirus numbers. Personally would not expect there to come back till next year. Thoughts??


Optimistic. Given it shows June domestic starting up again when none of the airlines have increased their schedules says it all.

I'd expect domestic capacity to increase in July if all goes well and the earliest the TT bubble will open will be August IMHO. Forget wider international before at least Christmas.

International will not properly recommence until the 14 day quarantine period for returning travellers is removed. I would suggest there will be a staged recommencement from there with SIN and HKG first followed by Japan and China. Europe and US as well as lesser Asian destinations like DPS, MNL etc would be unlikely before 2021.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 6:10 am

qf789 wrote:
The Tourism Restart Taskforce has worked out a timeline for International flights to resume

1 July Proposed NZ bubble to include Pacific Islands as well
10 September - international flights to start resuming
15 December - all international flights started

https://7news.com.au/news/tourism/timet ... -c-1062328

I think the timeline for international flights is optimistic, considering that QF's biggest LH markets are the UK and the US, both of which are struggling to keep on top of their Coronavirus numbers. Personally would not expect there to come back till next year. Thoughts??

Will the government mandate an isolation period for international visitors, perhaps only from specific countries or if they've travelled in a high COVID-19 country in the last two weeks? Was also thinking how many visa applications and subsequent processing is going on today and subsequent months to allow visitors to come in. There will likely be a push for some international students to make the trek and beyond that I doubt there will be much tourist traffic, unless people are getting some very good deals on flights and accommodation comensurate with the risk of your travel potentially being halted.

Additionally what conditions will airlines allow bokings, any cancellation or movement of bookings or take the money and run?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 6:19 am

Seems optimistic. I doubt TT would start before domestic borders are open, but you never know.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 6:22 am

jrfspa320 wrote:
Seems optimistic. I doubt TT would start before domestic borders are open, but you never know.


I‘ll try and dig up the article, but I did read AU is open to having Tasman borders open on a state by state basis, NZ government however is not open to this.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 6:30 am

smi0006 wrote:
jrfspa320 wrote:
Seems optimistic. I doubt TT would start before domestic borders are open, but you never know.


I‘ll try and dig up the article, but I did read AU is open to having Tasman borders open on a state by state basis, NZ government however is not open to this.


Air NZ would love that! SYD to BNE via AKL!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 6:46 am

qf789 wrote:
The Tourism Restart Taskforce has worked out a timeline for International flights to resume

1 July Proposed NZ bubble to include Pacific Islands as well
10 September - international flights to start resuming
15 December - all international flights started

https://7news.com.au/news/tourism/timet ... -c-1062328

I think the timeline for international flights is optimistic, considering that QF's biggest LH markets are the UK and the US, both of which are struggling to keep on top of their Coronavirus numbers. Personally would not expect there to come back till next year. Thoughts??


Rather ambitious i would say. Till 14 day quarantine is removed I would say not a chance. Can see domestic travel starting July, then NZ 2-3 months later. Selected international flights maybe around Christmas
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 7:03 am

qf789 wrote:
The Tourism Restart Taskforce has worked out a timeline for International flights to resume

1 July Proposed NZ bubble to include Pacific Islands as well
10 September - international flights to start resuming
15 December - all international flights started

https://7news.com.au/news/tourism/timet ... -c-1062328

I think the timeline for international flights is optimistic, considering that QF's biggest LH markets are the UK and the US, both of which are struggling to keep on top of their Coronavirus numbers. Personally would not expect there to come back till next year. Thoughts??


I haven’t researched in any depth the status of COVID19 amongst the Pacific Islands but my understanding is that is has been fairly well managed and infection rates are low. Should this be the case then I’m of the opinion that the South Pacific bubble should commence from July 1st.

As a resident of Her Majesty’s Prison Queensland, there has been some muttering over the last day or so that there may be an announcement either before or during the weekend. It’s been suggested that numbers for social gatherings will be similar to NSW levels and possibly an update on the state of the border lockdown.

International will always be the difficult one. I believe it’ll be managed on a country by country basis.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 7:40 am

zkncj wrote:
qf789 wrote:
The Tourism Restart Taskforce has worked out a timeline for International flights to resume

1 July Proposed NZ bubble to include Pacific Islands as well
10 September - international flights to start resuming
15 December - all international flights started

https://7news.com.au/news/tourism/timet ... -c-1062328

I think the timeline for international flights is optimistic, considering that QF's biggest LH markets are the UK and the US, both of which are struggling to keep on top of their Coronavirus numbers. Personally would not expect there to come back till next year. Thoughts??


Has Queensland sorted there issues out? Or is just going to end up with Tasman flights excluding QLD.


In my opinion
They could open up everything now with one stipulation
They maintain 14 day mandatory isolation (not self isolation, too risky) and make it user pays except for returning Australians that left Australia before the pandemic started

With the following exceptions i.e. no mandatory isolation
Any state with less than 100 active CV-19 cases
Any country with less than 0.005% active cases or less than 50 per 1 million

Our country, as most countries, are going through economic hell
Australia has been very lucky that our government acted swiftly to minimize and contain this virus
We simply can't put that result at risk, however we can absolutely get back to business
New Zealand and China are the 2 most valuable routes that should get up and running if safe
China today reports just 79 active cases and New Zealand 21 so travel between these countries should have no restrictions as there is near zero chance of infections from these countries
U.S and U.K. on the other hand, I think that travel to these countries will have to wait for a vaccine and even then, if a vaccine can be found and if it 100% guaranteed (which is rare for a vaccine) then perhaps 2 years away

Again, get travel and the economy going again, but DO NOT undo what we have done in containing this virus, we just can't go through lockdowns and everything else again...
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 8:39 am

zkncj wrote:
qf789 wrote:
The Tourism Restart Taskforce has worked out a timeline for International flights to resume

1 July Proposed NZ bubble to include Pacific Islands as well
10 September - international flights to start resuming
15 December - all international flights started

https://7news.com.au/news/tourism/timet ... -c-1062328

I think the timeline for international flights is optimistic, considering that QF's biggest LH markets are the UK and the US, both of which are struggling to keep on top of their Coronavirus numbers. Personally would not expect there to come back till next year. Thoughts??


Has Queensland sorted there issues out? Or is just going to end up with Tasman flights excluding QLD.


It isn't a Queensland issue, QLD isn't alone in having their state borders closed, SA, WA, TAS, NT all still have their borders closed as well. The state borders are closed for the exact same reason the international border is closed... same reason NZ has their borders closed.

As for the timeline above, it sounds very optimistic the way the spread of the virus is still growing around the world. At the very least I'd say put those dates back a month.. domestic may resume with open borders late July, NZ and Pacific Islands in late August, limited international corridors in October and all international in January next year. But who knows its all up in the air hey!
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 3:05 pm

The dangers of opening the borders were highlighted yesterday with the first Covid-19 case in SA in almost a month - an overseas traveller.

A person who is not a resident of South Australia (or Australia), flew into Victoria from the UK and was supposed to spend 14 days in quarantine. She spent less than 7 days in quarantine in Victoria and was given an exemption from the full quarantine on compassionate grounds and flew into Adelaide on Sunday. Was tested upon arrival at the airport and the test result came back yesterday - positive.

So she is back into quarantine along with another 19 people who she came into close contact with her. Anyone that was on the plane with her on Sunday and everyone that was involved in her trip are unlikely to be pleased that a person was given an exemption and quite a few of them are in a 14 day lockdown. Whilst this is said from a position of ignorance - you could ask questions about the honesty of some individuals who seem willing to take risks.

All it will take is a new cluster and a lot of the good work of millions of people for 2 months is undone and restrictions return.

Keeping the borders closed means the individual states can open up within their borders. Opening the borders puts that all at risk.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 8:15 pm

The timeline of the chamber of commerce is unrealistic. Especially considering the Aus govt has said opening the borders (except to TT, pacific) is not even on the radar. =You also need more than a few weeks to sell tickets. Tell em their dreaming.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 8:47 pm

timtam wrote:
The dangers of opening the borders were highlighted yesterday with the first Covid-19 case in SA in almost a month - an overseas traveller.

A person who is not a resident of South Australia (or Australia), flew into Victoria from the UK and was supposed to spend 14 days in quarantine. She spent less than 7 days in quarantine in Victoria and was given an exemption from the full quarantine on compassionate grounds and flew into Adelaide on Sunday. Was tested upon arrival at the airport and the test result came back yesterday - positive.

So she is back into quarantine along with another 19 people who she came into close contact with her. Anyone that was on the plane with her on Sunday and everyone that was involved in her trip are unlikely to be pleased that a person was given an exemption and quite a few of them are in a 14 day lockdown. Whilst this is said from a position of ignorance - you could ask questions about the honesty of some individuals who seem willing to take risks.

All it will take is a new cluster and a lot of the good work of millions of people for 2 months is undone and restrictions return.

Keeping the borders closed means the individual states can open up within their borders. Opening the borders puts that all at risk.


There is no suggestion by any of the authorities that the individual in question has been dishonest. Your summary of the situation leaves off a couple of important points:

- She was in contact with the Authorities and followed their instruction the whole time.
- She had no symptoms until after her positive test in Adelaide.
- She was tested in Melbourne before her flight to Adelaide, and her test came back negative.
- She was granted an exemption to come to SA after spending 7 days in quarantine in Melbourne (and returning a negative test), as her dying father's health was deteriorating rapidly.

In relation to State Border closures, which directly affects aviation, if we can't open the state borders now, then when? Even the most positive epidemiologists say an effective vaccination is 12m away, if ever. The economic damage, especially to tourism & aviation for having the borders closed for much longer will be insurmountable. As long as there is good contact tracing happening, which there seems to be, then I can't see how keeping state borders closed can be justified.

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