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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 2:43 am

Another VN's repatriation flight, VN1 will fly SFO-ANC-HAN. This is the first nonstop commercial flight between Vietnam and USA.
https://www.flightradar24.com/HVN1/2475c1d8
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Re: F9 to Charge $39-89 for Empty Seat Next to You

Thu May 07, 2020 3:04 am

enilria wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
well, IATA already said they support face mask but against middle seat free policy.

I agree media may not take it well, but somehow I can see passengers go for it.

The airlines are desperate it not become law.
I have to wonder if they will prevent non-revs and stand-bys from taking those seats. The airlines that are doing it for free are still allowing these passengers into middle seats.
eta unknown wrote:
With so few pax flying I'd take a chance the seat would be vacant anyway.

They will likely pack people together unless they take this deal.


Isn’t DAL the only US carrier to really put in any strict cabin capacity or spacing rules? I thought for sure the others would follow but they didn’t. AA I think has an 85-90% max capacity which isn’t really much of anything
 
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Re: F9 to Charge $39-89 for Empty Seat Next to You

Thu May 07, 2020 3:13 am

LNCS0930 wrote:
enilria wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
well, IATA already said they support face mask but against middle seat free policy.

I agree media may not take it well, but somehow I can see passengers go for it.

The airlines are desperate it not become law.
I have to wonder if they will prevent non-revs and stand-bys from taking those seats. The airlines that are doing it for free are still allowing these passengers into middle seats.
eta unknown wrote:
With so few pax flying I'd take a chance the seat would be vacant anyway.

They will likely pack people together unless they take this deal.


Isn’t DAL the only US carrier to really put in any strict cabin capacity or spacing rules? I thought for sure the others would follow but they didn’t. AA I think has an 85-90% max capacity which isn’t really much of anything


UA blocked middle seats.
 
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Re: F9 to Charge $39-89 for Empty Seat Next to You

Thu May 07, 2020 3:24 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
LNCS0930 wrote:
enilria wrote:
The airlines are desperate it not become law.
I have to wonder if they will prevent non-revs and stand-bys from taking those seats. The airlines that are doing it for free are still allowing these passengers into middle seats.

They will likely pack people together unless they take this deal.


Isn’t DAL the only US carrier to really put in any strict cabin capacity or spacing rules? I thought for sure the others would follow but they didn’t. AA I think has an 85-90% max capacity which isn’t really much of anything


UA blocked middle seats.


One would assume the carriers won’t do this for very long. They’d be smarter to stop the policy and force the government to make them do it in exchange for some other bailout stipulation
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 6:51 am

May 7, 2020: Is this a sudden wave of repatriation flights AMS-BEG ??

- AMS dep. 15.00 ZT 6102 Belgrade Nikola Tesla (BEG / LYBE) Titan Airways Ltd G-POWU
- AMS dep. 15.20 PNC 9CJ Belgrade Nikola Tesla (BEG / LYBE) CESSNA CITATION YU-SCJ
- AMS dep. 16.30 ZT 6103 Belgrade Nikola Tesla (BEG / LYBE) Titan Airways Ltd G-POWW
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 6:58 am

VN's repatriation flight, VN1 is flying SFO-ANC-VDO carrying 340 Vietnameses home.
https://www.flightradar24.com/HVN1/24773417
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Re: COVID-19 News and Reference Thread

Fri May 08, 2020 3:32 pm

modesto2 wrote:
VN operated a repatriation flight today, HAN-SFO, with a B781.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/HVN ... /VVNB/KSFO

Photos posted on SFO's Facebook page.


By the way this was the first commercial / pax flight between Viet Nam and USA, ever.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 4:28 pm

Flew today from PHL - ATL (Somewhat essential). The flight was about 90% full and the airports pretty crowded. The TSA checkpoint had about 3/4s full queue.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 8:29 pm

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed/20 ... icies/amp/

After Win At United, Labor Looks To Change Delta And JetBlue CARES Act Policies

A win at United Airlines has labor unions seeking similar gains at Delta and JetBlue.

On Wednesday, hours after the International Association of Machinists filed a lawsuit, United withdrew a plan that would have moved several thousand fleet service workers and passenger service agents from fulltime to part-time and reduced weekly hours to 30 from 40, as the coronavirus crisis leaves most airline seats unfilled.

IAM said the United plan violated the CARES Act, which provided airlines with grants to pay employees through Sept. 30. United was approved for a CARES Act grant of $3.5 billion, while JetBlue was approved for $685 million and Delta for $5.4 billion.

Leaders of three transportation unions – IAM, Transport Workers of America and Association of Flight Attendants — say both JetBlue and Delta have also violated the CARES Act by reducing worker hours.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 8:53 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Flew today from PHL - ATL (Somewhat essential). The flight was about 90% full and the airports pretty crowded. The TSA checkpoint had about 3/4s full queue.

Def feels like it’s ramping up. What your flight legit 90 or 90 with middles blocked?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 9:21 pm

32andBelow wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Flew today from PHL - ATL (Somewhat essential). The flight was about 90% full and the airports pretty crowded. The TSA checkpoint had about 3/4s full queue.

Def feels like it’s ramping up. What your flight legit 90 or 90 with middles blocked?


The middle seats were not blocked unfortunately.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 9:31 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Flew today from PHL - ATL (Somewhat essential). The flight was about 90% full and the airports pretty crowded. The TSA checkpoint had about 3/4s full queue.

Def feels like it’s ramping up. What your flight legit 90 or 90 with middles blocked?


The middle seats were not blocked unfortunately.

Sounds like they might need to add flights in some markets if they are really gonna block middles
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 9:47 pm

32andBelow wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Def feels like it’s ramping up. What your flight legit 90 or 90 with middles blocked?


The middle seats were not blocked unfortunately.

Sounds like they might need to add flights in some markets if they are really gonna block middles


WN is already doing this on their markets that were originally 1x day on the reduced schedule. Many of the markets are consistently booked to the new caps.

AA's higher cap will probably stop them from needing to do that for now.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Sat May 09, 2020 4:02 am

32andBelow wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Def feels like it’s ramping up. What your flight legit 90 or 90 with middles blocked?


The middle seats were not blocked unfortunately.

Sounds like they might need to add flights in some markets if they are really gonna block middles

Anecdotal only, but for the last week I have been seeing aircraft moving out of temp parking in 2’s and threes. If the airlines intend to maintain the seat distance restrictions, and bring back general passenger traffic, that is going to take more planes. As of now, that is pretty much paid for by the Cares Act.

At least through 30 September....
Then all bets are off.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Sat May 09, 2020 7:08 am

Brickell305 wrote:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed/2020/05/08/after-win-at-united-labor-looks-to-change-delta-and-jetblue-cares-act-policies/amp/

After Win At United, Labor Looks To Change Delta And JetBlue CARES Act Policies

A win at United Airlines has labor unions seeking similar gains at Delta and JetBlue.

On Wednesday, hours after the International Association of Machinists filed a lawsuit, United withdrew a plan that would have moved several thousand fleet service workers and passenger service agents from fulltime to part-time and reduced weekly hours to 30 from 40, as the coronavirus crisis leaves most airline seats unfilled.

IAM said the United plan violated the CARES Act, which provided airlines with grants to pay employees through Sept. 30. United was approved for a CARES Act grant of $3.5 billion, while JetBlue was approved for $685 million and Delta for $5.4 billion.

Leaders of three transportation unions – IAM, Transport Workers of America and Association of Flight Attendants — say both JetBlue and Delta have also violated the CARES Act by reducing worker hours.

Yawn...come Oct 1, these work groups will probably see furloughs even more aggressive than the other groups. They aren't skilled labor and easily replaceable, any able-bodied person can throw bags and scan boarding passes. Just pushing the pain down the road...
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Sat May 09, 2020 2:25 pm

Lufthansa has quietly restored another LX flight---Flight 14/17 (ZRH-JFK) will operate again, using a 219-seat A343, on Saturdays. HB-JMH is currently in the air flying it.
 
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Sat May 09, 2020 2:32 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
Lufthansa has quietly restored another LX flight---Flight 14/17 (ZRH-JFK) will operate again, using a 219-seat A343, on Saturdays. HB-JMH is currently in the air flying it.


So that's a regular flight that operates once a week? Today I read online that Lufthansa is planing on activating another 80 aircraft in June.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Sat May 09, 2020 4:48 pm

Does anyone know where one can find a full list of countries, cities, states, provinces, or counties requiring a quarantine period of 14 days or more?

It sure would be helpful if this info was mapped somewhere. Texas (from certain locations like New York and California, Hawaii, and United Kingdom have 14 day quarantines in place for those entering.

Could we soon see waivers for countries who have similar quarantine rules so travel may be opened up? For example Hawaii to the United Kingdom. Seems kind of logical.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Sat May 09, 2020 6:05 pm

Blerg wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
Lufthansa has quietly restored another LX flight---Flight 14/17 (ZRH-JFK) will operate again, using a 219-seat A343, on Saturdays. HB-JMH is currently in the air flying it.


So that's a regular flight that operates once a week? Today I read online that Lufthansa is planing on activating another 80 aircraft in June.


Prior to COVID-19, ZRH-JFK was 14x weekly and GVA-JFK 7x weekly (with a W-pattern - 14-22-23-17, and the other flight would be 16-15).
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Sat May 09, 2020 9:44 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
Lufthansa has quietly restored another LX flight---Flight 14/17 (ZRH-JFK) will operate again, using a 219-seat A343, on Saturdays. HB-JMH is currently in the air flying it.


It appears to be a 'one-off' as I don't see any other ZRH-JFK flights for the rest of May. The flight also did not appear on the ZRH Airport website as a departure for today 9 May so it does not appear to be carrying any pax.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Sat May 09, 2020 9:52 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
Does anyone know where one can find a full list of countries, cities, states, provinces, or counties requiring a quarantine period of 14 days or more?

It sure would be helpful if this info was mapped somewhere. Texas (from certain locations like New York and California, Hawaii, and United Kingdom have 14 day quarantines in place for those entering.

Could we soon see waivers for countries who have similar quarantine rules so travel may be opened up? For example Hawaii to the United Kingdom. Seems kind of logical.


For countries, http://www.iatatravelcentre.com/interna ... 226297.htm

It doesn't list intra-country restrictions, such as Beijing vs Hubei or Texas vs New York.
 
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Sun May 10, 2020 8:42 am

gunnerman wrote:
American Airlines is resuming flights to continental Europe for the first time since the coronavirus shut down by launching daily nonstop service from DFW to MAD.
https://www.star-telegram.com/news/business/aviation/american-airlines/article242522401.html


Strange move as both countries are amongst the most hit by Covid-19 and still have strict travel restrictions. I’m puzzled.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Sun May 10, 2020 8:46 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Flew today from PHL - ATL (Somewhat essential). The flight was about 90% full and the airports pretty crowded. The TSA checkpoint had about 3/4s full queue.

Def feels like it’s ramping up. What your flight legit 90 or 90 with middles blocked?


The middle seats were not blocked unfortunately.

Did you fly with a mask on? If so, what are you worried about?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Sun May 10, 2020 12:17 pm

KFTG wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Def feels like it’s ramping up. What your flight legit 90 or 90 with middles blocked?


The middle seats were not blocked unfortunately.

Did you fly with a mask on? If so, what are you worried about?


I was not worried at all during this flight. It did operate on a “no mask, no problem” basis even though the airline had stated they required them.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Sun May 10, 2020 3:01 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
United Kingdom have 14 day quarantines in place for those entering.

Supposedly Boris Johnson is supposed to announce this policy tonight and it will start in June. For me personally, it sounds like a nightmare. Following the summer break I'm supposed to return to the UK for the second term of my medical education. Now what? I'm going to be forced to axe the end of my summer and show up two weeks before classes start just to sit in my dorm room? And how am I supposed to survive for those two weeks if I'm not allowed to go to the store to buy food and other essentials?
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Sun May 10, 2020 4:23 pm

French transport minister Jean-Baptiste Djebbari announced the opening of Orly could be possible by June 26. The government requested airlines so submit proposed flight schedules by June 15.
The government will require that prior to opening, harmonized health measures are in place with European and Mediterranean neighbors to ensure people can safely travel on annual summer vacations.

https://www.boursorama.com/actualite-ec ... cdb317542e
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Mon May 11, 2020 5:55 pm

Thai Airways says it plans to resume international flights on 01 July 2020, including select European services CPH, FRA and LHR.

https://www.ttrweekly.com/site/2020/05/ ... the-skies/
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Mon May 11, 2020 7:05 pm

Do we know anything about HV flights from AMS?
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Mon May 11, 2020 7:07 pm

marcogr12 wrote:
Do we know anything about HV flights from AMS?


HV suspended all AMS-bound flights until May 27th, you can book flights for W20 however
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Tue May 12, 2020 12:03 am

KFTG wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
32andBelow wrote:
Def feels like it’s ramping up. What your flight legit 90 or 90 with middles blocked?


The middle seats were not blocked unfortunately.

Did you fly with a mask on? If so, what are you worried about?


You do understand that the mask isn't for you, right? It's for the other people the plane to be protected from you.
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Tue May 12, 2020 12:16 am

I bow to your infinite wisdom.
 
 
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CARES: DOT Will Allow Airlines to Drop 5% of Stations

Tue May 12, 2020 3:03 pm

DOT will allow airlines to drop 5% of stations. It appears to me that this is above existing exemptions that are approved. No station is allowed to lose all its airlines, although I'm not sure that is true for airports like HPN that are already exempt under the prior rules.

The Department will allow covered carriers to exempt from their service obligation five
(5) percent of the points in their service obligation list, or five (5) points, whichever is
greater. Appendix A provides the number of each carrier’s service obligation points and
the corresponding number of points that can be exempted under this relief.


Therefore, covered carriers should
submit their list of exemption requests, in priority order, to
[email protected], no later than 5:00PM (EDT), on May 18, 2020 in
accordance with the application procedures outlined in Appendix B. The Department will
review carrier submissions and not permit any point to lose service from all covered
carriers. As such, if a carrier seeks to exempt points where the carrier is the only covered
carrier at that point, the Department will not provide an exemption from that point.
Likewise, should two or more covered carriers request to be exempted from the same
point, the Department will grant the exemption(s) based on the carriers’ prioritized lists,
until only one covered carrier remains.5 Cities with multiple airports as compiled and
documented by the Bureau of Transportation Statistics6 and published with Order 2020-
4-2 are included, such that if a carrier were to be granted Washington, D.C. (DCA) as its
exemption point, for example, it would not have to serve Washington Dulles (IAD) or
Baltimore-Washington (BWI).7
When granting exemption requests under this notice, the Department will give priority to
carriers’ lists but may also consider other factors such as the remaining service at the
point and whether the remaining carriers are covered carriers for the purposes of Order
2020-4-2. The Department expects that all carriers, including small and regional carriers,
will be able to take advantage of this opportunity to reduce their service obligations.8 The
Department reserves the right to deny an exemption request for a point if the exemption
would result in inadequate capacity or connectivity to serve the point, as informed by the
standards in the CARES Act9 or public interest considerations. Carriers are encouraged
to include back-up points in their exemption requests should the Department not be able
to satisfy their initial exemption list.10


This process does not supplant the exemption process outlined in
Order 2020-4-2, which will continue to be available to carriers. Rather, the Department
is implementing a supplemental process that is a fair and expedient way to address
requests from multiple carriers for these types of exemptions and public policy concerns
raised in the docket.12


https://www.transportation.gov/briefing ... rlines-and
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Re: CARES: DOT Will Allow Airlines to Drop 5% of Stations

Tue May 12, 2020 3:04 pm

Thew big carriers are basically allowed to close 11 and 5 for the smaller carriers.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Tue May 12, 2020 3:07 pm

mke717spotter wrote:
KlimaBXsst wrote:
United Kingdom have 14 day quarantines in place for those entering.

Supposedly Boris Johnson is supposed to announce this policy tonight and it will start in June. For me personally, it sounds like a nightmare. Following the summer break I'm supposed to return to the UK for the second term of my medical education. Now what? I'm going to be forced to axe the end of my summer and show up two weeks before classes start just to sit in my dorm room? And how am I supposed to survive for those two weeks if I'm not allowed to go to the store to buy food and other essentials?



Hey we have to remember. It is NOT all about you.

I fully support 14 day quarantines, from places not managing their Covid.
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Tue May 12, 2020 3:40 pm

Surprised by the number of KLM flights. Are they allowing PAX transferring through AMS? Or are they running Cargo transfer flights?
 
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Re: CARES: DOT Will Allow Airlines to Drop 5% of Stations

Tue May 12, 2020 5:04 pm

enilria wrote:
DOT will allow airlines to drop 5% of stations. It appears to me that this is above existing exemptions that are approved. No station is allowed to lose all its airlines, although I'm not sure that is true for airports like HPN that are already exempt under the prior rules.

The Department will allow covered carriers to exempt from their service obligation five
(5) percent of the points in their service obligation list, or five (5) points, whichever is
greater. Appendix A provides the number of each carrier’s service obligation points and
the corresponding number of points that can be exempted under this relief.


Therefore, covered carriers should
submit their list of exemption requests, in priority order, to
[email protected], no later than 5:00PM (EDT), on May 18, 2020 in
accordance with the application procedures outlined in Appendix B. The Department will
review carrier submissions and not permit any point to lose service from all covered
carriers. As such, if a carrier seeks to exempt points where the carrier is the only covered
carrier at that point, the Department will not provide an exemption from that point.
Likewise, should two or more covered carriers request to be exempted from the same
point, the Department will grant the exemption(s) based on the carriers’ prioritized lists,
until only one covered carrier remains.5 Cities with multiple airports as compiled and
documented by the Bureau of Transportation Statistics6 and published with Order 2020-
4-2 are included, such that if a carrier were to be granted Washington, D.C. (DCA) as its
exemption point, for example, it would not have to serve Washington Dulles (IAD) or
Baltimore-Washington (BWI).7
When granting exemption requests under this notice, the Department will give priority to
carriers’ lists but may also consider other factors such as the remaining service at the
point and whether the remaining carriers are covered carriers for the purposes of Order
2020-4-2. The Department expects that all carriers, including small and regional carriers,
will be able to take advantage of this opportunity to reduce their service obligations.8 The
Department reserves the right to deny an exemption request for a point if the exemption
would result in inadequate capacity or connectivity to serve the point, as informed by the
standards in the CARES Act9 or public interest considerations. Carriers are encouraged
to include back-up points in their exemption requests should the Department not be able
to satisfy their initial exemption list.10


This process does not supplant the exemption process outlined in
Order 2020-4-2, which will continue to be available to carriers. Rather, the Department
is implementing a supplemental process that is a fair and expedient way to address
requests from multiple carriers for these types of exemptions and public policy concerns
raised in the docket.12


https://www.transportation.gov/briefing ... rlines-and


Up to this point airlines have largely been asking to discontinue pretty much any market they can think of a plausible case to plead for. But now with the only limit being the number of markets it will be
interesting to see what criteria they use. I could see any of these coming into play:

--Markets with the slowest demand recovery
--Markets with the least importance to the network
--Markets with the weakest/most fragmented competitive landscape so there's less danger of permanent market share loss to competitors who stay
--Markets losing the most money at the moment
--Markets whose CARES-required 1x/day flight is a particularly long stage length

In the traditional airline competitive mindset I could see that if (for example) WN and AA are running comparably heavy networks then Delta would not drop any market with a significant WN or AA presence. Or Alaska not dropping any SEA markets which DL overlaps. But then again these are such exceptional times who knows if that sort of thinking has the sway it does at normal times.

It would not surprise me if Southwest does not exercise this allowance but everybody else probably will.
 
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Tue May 12, 2020 6:45 pm

Albert12 wrote:
Surprised by the number of KLM flights. Are they allowing PAX transferring through AMS? Or are they running Cargo transfer flights?

Pax are allowed to transfer, in fact that is what most of them do.
Besides that and cargo flights, they still do some repatriation flights to get Dutch citizens back home.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Tue May 12, 2020 7:40 pm

mke717spotter wrote:
KlimaBXsst wrote:
Now what? I'm going to be forced to axe the end of my summer and show up two weeks before classes start just to sit in my dorm room? And how am I supposed to survive for those two weeks if I'm not allowed to go to the store to buy food and other essentials?


Could you enlighten me who in the UK is not allowed to go out, and especially to buy food or any other essentials? Considering you aren't even in the UK I'll find your answer interesting. With the second part in mind, are you seriously suggesting the UK should plan everything entirely around you......because you're pretty sorely mistaken.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Tue May 12, 2020 8:14 pm

Vicenza wrote:
mke717spotter wrote:
KlimaBXsst wrote:
Now what? I'm going to be forced to axe the end of my summer and show up two weeks before classes start just to sit in my dorm room? And how am I supposed to survive for those two weeks if I'm not allowed to go to the store to buy food and other essentials?


Could you enlighten me who in the UK is not allowed to go out, and especially to buy food or any other essentials? Considering you aren't even in the UK I'll find your answer interesting. With the second part in mind, are you seriously suggesting the UK should plan everything entirely around you......because you're pretty sorely mistaken.


If you read his comment, he's a student from abroad who now has to return 14 days earlier to the UK to be able to attend classes. If you're in quarantine, you're not supposed to go out of your residence at all times. Thus to answer your question, anyone in quarantine is not allowed to go out for shopping.
 
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Tue May 12, 2020 8:30 pm

Like everyone else, think and manage... Surely there can be friends in the dorm to help with the basic pasta / rice and beer supplied to manage these 14 days before Uni starts :)
Also by then the rules may have changed...
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Tue May 12, 2020 8:37 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
Hey we have to remember. It is NOT all about you.

Vicenza wrote:
With the second part in mind, are you seriously suggesting the UK should plan everything entirely around you......because you're pretty sorely mistaken.

There's roughly 120 other people in the program (just about all of whom are from outside the UK) who will now face the same dilemma. Furthermore, I can't imagine there's too many regular working individuals who could afford to take two weeks to quarantine, so pretty much nobody will be able to travel to/from the UK. Altogether this policy could be a death knell for the aviation sector which I'm sure you know is already reeling:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/20 ... re-flights

“An open-ended quarantine, with no set end date, will make an already critical situation for UK aviation, and all the businesses we support, even worse,” the bosses wrote.

“People will simply choose not to travel to and from the UK, at the same time as economies in Europe and around the world begin opening up their borders and removing their own quarantines, making the UK aviation sector unable to compete.”


So as you can see, its not just me - many other people and businesses would be affected!

Vicenza wrote:
Could you enlighten me who in the UK is not allowed to go out, and especially to buy food or any other essentials? Considering you aren't even in the UK I'll find your answer interesting.

I've been in the UK since January and no, nobody has ever stopped me or questioned me when I've been outside. I was talking about the 14 day quarantine upon my return. They way I've understood it is that you're supposed to go straight from the airport to your home and then not leave during those 14 days whatsoever.
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Re: CARES: DOT Will Allow Airlines to Drop 5% of Stations

Tue May 12, 2020 9:03 pm

enilria wrote:
DOT will allow airlines to drop 5% of stations. It appears to me that this is above existing exemptions that are approved. No station is allowed to lose all its airlines, although I'm not sure that is true for airports like HPN that are already exempt under the prior rules.

The Department will allow covered carriers to exempt from their service obligation five
(5) percent of the points in their service obligation list, or five (5) points, whichever is
greater. Appendix A provides the number of each carrier’s service obligation points and
the corresponding number of points that can be exempted under this relief.


Therefore, covered carriers should
submit their list of exemption requests, in priority order, to
[email protected], no later than 5:00PM (EDT), on May 18, 2020 in
accordance with the application procedures outlined in Appendix B. The Department will
review carrier submissions and not permit any point to lose service from all covered
carriers. As such, if a carrier seeks to exempt points where the carrier is the only covered
carrier at that point, the Department will not provide an exemption from that point.
Likewise, should two or more covered carriers request to be exempted from the same
point, the Department will grant the exemption(s) based on the carriers’ prioritized lists,
until only one covered carrier remains.5 Cities with multiple airports as compiled and
documented by the Bureau of Transportation Statistics6 and published with Order 2020-
4-2 are included, such that if a carrier were to be granted Washington, D.C. (DCA) as its
exemption point, for example, it would not have to serve Washington Dulles (IAD) or
Baltimore-Washington (BWI).7
When granting exemption requests under this notice, the Department will give priority to
carriers’ lists but may also consider other factors such as the remaining service at the
point and whether the remaining carriers are covered carriers for the purposes of Order
2020-4-2. The Department expects that all carriers, including small and regional carriers,
will be able to take advantage of this opportunity to reduce their service obligations.8 The
Department reserves the right to deny an exemption request for a point if the exemption
would result in inadequate capacity or connectivity to serve the point, as informed by the
standards in the CARES Act9 or public interest considerations. Carriers are encouraged
to include back-up points in their exemption requests should the Department not be able
to satisfy their initial exemption list.10


This process does not supplant the exemption process outlined in
Order 2020-4-2, which will continue to be available to carriers. Rather, the Department
is implementing a supplemental process that is a fair and expedient way to address
requests from multiple carriers for these types of exemptions and public policy concerns
raised in the docket.12


https://www.transportation.gov/briefing ... rlines-and



I can see a lot of markets served by Envoy getting the axe first, especially ones out in West Texas and Southwestern New Mexico. Markets such as ABI, MAF, ROW, SJT, and SPS probably completely lose service. Also, I could see airports closer to DFW such as ACT, TYR and GGG being good candidates to axe as well.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Tue May 12, 2020 9:24 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
mke717spotter wrote:
KlimaBXsst wrote:
United Kingdom have 14 day quarantines in place for those entering.

Supposedly Boris Johnson is supposed to announce this policy tonight and it will start in June. For me personally, it sounds like a nightmare. Following the summer break I'm supposed to return to the UK for the second term of my medical education. Now what? I'm going to be forced to axe the end of my summer and show up two weeks before classes start just to sit in my dorm room? And how am I supposed to survive for those two weeks if I'm not allowed to go to the store to buy food and other essentials?



Hey we have to remember. It is NOT all about you.

I fully support 14 day quarantines, from places not managing their Covid.



If its such great idea why didn't they implement this 14 day quarantine immediately?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Tue May 12, 2020 9:37 pm

LJ wrote:
Vicenza wrote:
mke717spotter wrote:

If you read his comment, he's a student from abroad who now has to return 14 days earlier to the UK to be able to attend classes. If you're in quarantine, you're not supposed to go out of your residence at all times. Thus to answer your question, anyone in quarantine is not allowed to go out for shopping.


Living here in UK I'm fully aware of that, and also fully aware that there are ample other means of getting groceries and other shopping. I think it's pretty reasonable to assume that a medical student (not a mere teenager) would have the knowledge to think of that. I'm saying the world, or specifically any given country, does not revolve around an individual.
 
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Tue May 12, 2020 9:44 pm

I know WN was the largest carrier in the world at some point during this, does anyone know who it is now? Guessing one of the Chinese guys?
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Tue May 12, 2020 9:53 pm

[/quote]
There's roughly 120 other people in the program (just about all of whom are from outside the UK) who will now face the same dilemma. Furthermore, I can't imagine there's too many regular working individuals who could afford to take two weeks to quarantine, so pretty much nobody will be able to travel to/from the UK. Altogether this policy could be a death knell for the aviation sector which I'm sure you know is already reeling:

So as you can see, its not just me - many other people and businesses would be affected! [/quote]



I fully acknowledge that, but it's hardly an earth shattering 'dilemma', more an inconvenience remembering the world is in much more of a dilemma concerning the whole situation. As a thought, if there's "not too many regular working individuals who could afford to take two weeks to quarantine, so pretty much nobody will be able to travel to/from the UK." why would they come in the first place? Reeling airlines are the least of many current worries and world health takes absolute priority.....am surprised a medical student in particular seems to disagree with that priority. I fully support a quarantine irrespective of how many 'visitors' are involved. Furthermore, your classes wouldn't start until early autumn anyhow, when the situation may well have changed, so why make an issue of it now?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Tue May 12, 2020 9:55 pm

mcdu wrote:
KlimaBXsst wrote:
mke717spotter wrote:
Supposedly Boris Johnson is supposed to announce this policy tonight and it will start in June. For me personally, it sounds like a nightmare. Following the summer break I'm supposed to return to the UK for the second term of my medical education. Now what? I'm going to be forced to axe the end of my summer and show up two weeks before classes start just to sit in my dorm room? And how am I supposed to survive for those two weeks if I'm not allowed to go to the store to buy food and other essentials?



Hey we have to remember. It is NOT all about you.

I fully support 14 day quarantines, from places not managing their Covid.



If its such great idea why didn't they implement this 14 day quarantine immediately?


Did the US....instead of flying people around oblivious to reality? A bit silly starting it immediately (as in now) considering there are no flights currently happening as normal, so it starts when when airlines are initially planning on resuming.
 
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Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - May 2020

Tue May 12, 2020 10:00 pm

There have been quite a few repatriation flights between the UK and Argentina, on AR, BA and UX (yes... Air Europa). BA has been running a few with the 787-9, which is a departure from the usual 77E/77W operating BA244/5.

https://www.flightradar24.com/BAW9129/247d505d

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Re: CARES: DOT Will Allow Airlines to Drop 5% of Stations

Tue May 12, 2020 10:24 pm

enilria wrote:
Thew big carriers are basically allowed to close 11 and 5 for the smaller carriers.


Is this temporary or will they be permitted to leave the station for as long as they choose. If they leave, are they allowed to return at any time or is there a certain time frame they are required to be absent from that station? Also is there a cap on airfares for the airline that stays at a given station?

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