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Boeingphan
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FAA investigating Harrison Ford after runway incident

Fri May 01, 2020 6:38 pm

Well looks like Harrison entered the runway without clearance. Safe to say he needs grounded for good.

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/harrison-ford ... 05823.html
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Re: Harrison Ford grounded

Fri May 01, 2020 6:43 pm

If it was anyone else it would never make the news.
 
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Re: Harrison Ford grounded

Fri May 01, 2020 7:09 pm

    Boeingphan wrote:
    Well looks like Harrison entered the runway without clearance. Safe to say he needs grounded for good.

    https://www.yahoo.com/gma/harrison-ford ... 05823.html


    He sounded tired and inattentive. There are countless pilots his age still competently flying; but based on that audio I'd say his path back to the cockpit won't be an easy one.
     
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    Re: Harrison Ford grounded

    Fri May 01, 2020 7:14 pm

    Gasman wrote:
      Boeingphan wrote:
      Well looks like Harrison entered the runway without clearance. Safe to say he needs grounded for good.

      https://www.yahoo.com/gma/harrison-ford ... 05823.html


      He sounded tired and inattentive. There are countless pilots his age still competently flying; but based on that audio I'd say his path back to the cockpit won't be an easy one.


      I would agree. You can barely make out what he is saying. Time to hang it up old man!
       
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      Re: Harrison Ford grounded

      Fri May 01, 2020 7:30 pm

      Here is a more comprehensive article:
      https://www.post-gazette.com/ae/celebrities/2020/04/29/Harrison-Ford-plane-runway-investigation-FAA-piloting-incident-crossed/stories/202004290160


      Nowhere have I read that he is grounded. Listening to the recording it is clear his violation was not intentional. When considering the issue of "readback/hearback" it is clear the controller did not properly "hearback" so there might be some blame there too if they really press the issue. If Ford did an ASRS report then he will not be grounded.
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      Re: Harrison Ford grounded

      Fri May 01, 2020 7:36 pm

      Gasman wrote:
        Boeingphan wrote:
        Well looks like Harrison entered the runway without clearance. Safe to say he needs grounded for good.

        https://www.yahoo.com/gma/harrison-ford ... 05823.html


        He sounded tired and inattentive. There are countless pilots his age still competently flying; but based on that audio I'd say his path back to the cockpit won't be an easy one.

        That’s how he does interviews and talk shows. It’s just his caustic/comedic personality. But he does it with an F-u smirk the whole time, except when he puts on a dead serious “how dare you” expression.
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        Re: Harrison Ford grounded

        Fri May 01, 2020 7:43 pm

        Maybe we can have the rebirth of Greedo and have another scene with Jabba?
         
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        Re: Harrison Ford grounded

        Fri May 01, 2020 7:57 pm

        Didn't senator Jim Inhofe do something similar about 10 years ago and they only recommended he take some type of training?
         
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        Re: Harrison Ford grounded

        Fri May 01, 2020 8:14 pm

        If I were the FAA, I'd let him keep his license but require him to have a "wingman' aka someone in the right seat. I expect that if his license isn't pulled after this, his insurance company will insist on it.
         
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        Re: Harrison Ford grounded

        Fri May 01, 2020 8:23 pm

        No one can deny Harrison Ford is a great ambassador for aviation. I detect many people trying to attribute this small incident an an earlier one where he landed on a parallel taxiway at SNA as "inattention" or "momentary confusion." Without putting a label on his mental faculties nearing age 78, perhaps it is time he continue flying with a CFI or check-pilot along for the ride.
         
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        Re: Harrison Ford grounded

        Fri May 01, 2020 8:29 pm

        highflier92660 wrote:
        No one can deny Harrison Ford is a great ambassador for aviation.


        :rotfl:

        Actually, he’s the exact opposite.
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        Re: Harrison Ford grounded

        Fri May 01, 2020 8:35 pm

        Hm, he's getting old.
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        Re: Harrison Ford grounded

        Fri May 01, 2020 9:19 pm

        deebee278 wrote:
        If I were the FAA, I'd let him keep his license but require him to have a "wingman' aka someone in the right seat. I expect that if his license isn't pulled after this, his insurance company will insist on it.


        You do know that FAR has no such provision, I presume? The FAA tried removing Bob Hoover’s medical, an international furor resulted and the Australian CASA issued him a medical in defiance.
         
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        Re: Harrison Ford grounded

        Fri May 01, 2020 9:24 pm

        Just keep the thread on topic.
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        Re: Harrison Ford grounded

        Fri May 01, 2020 9:49 pm

        WN732 wrote:
        If it was anyone else it would never make the news.

        Anybody else would've lost their license by now.
         
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        Re: Harrison Ford grounded

        Fri May 01, 2020 10:03 pm

        GalaxyFlyer wrote:
        You do know that FAR has no such provision, I presume?


        I don't know the FAA regs, but in Canada you can definitely have a restriction on your licence to require having a safety pilot. I am diabetic, but but low-risk so I didn't have that restriction but higher risk diabetics can have annotation "Restricted with co-pilot or unfit" for a class 3 medical (private pilot). I've since let my licence lapse and sold my plane though. Retirement severely restricted my "play money" and $150 hamburgers were getting too expensive, not to mention not good for the diabetes! I now fly on a 16 lb carbon fibre road bike instead.

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        Re: Harrison Ford grounded

        Fri May 01, 2020 10:07 pm

        scbriml wrote:
        highflier92660 wrote:
        No one can deny Harrison Ford is a great ambassador for aviation.


        Actually, he’s the exact opposite.



        You can interpret what I wrote in a number of ways, but Harrison Ford has expended a considerable amount of time attempting to instill a love of aviation to future generations. The number of young people who yearn to burn holes in the sky are becoming fewer and fewer.

        At what point a person reaches an age when his skills deteriorate to the point he should no-longer be pilot-in-command is always a difficult one to determine. Captain Arnold Palmer reached that conclusion on his own and voluntarily made his final flight aboard his Citation X from Palm Springs back to Orlando at age 81. https://www.flyingmag.com/blogs/fly-wir ... al-flight/
         
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        Re: Harrison Ford grounded

        Fri May 01, 2020 10:17 pm

        highflier92660 wrote:
        At what point a person reaches an age when his skills deteriorate to the point he should no-longer be pilot-in-command is always a difficult one to determine. Captain Arnold Palmer reached that conclusion on his own and voluntarily made his final flight aboard his Citation X from Palm Springs back to Orlando at age 81. https://www.flyingmag.com/blogs/fly-wir ... al-flight/


        I made the same determination at age 57. It's not that I didn't consider myself medically and mentally fit at that age, it's that forced early retirement meant that I could no longer afford to fly often enough to consider myself comfortably current so I had to make hard choices. It was a tough call, but myself and everyone else in the sky are safer for it. And... life goes on. There are plenty of fun things to do like travelling to Europe in a big bird with someone else doing the flying.

        Plus the worst day retired is better than the best day working :D

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        Re: Harrison Ford grounded

        Fri May 01, 2020 10:59 pm

        johns624 wrote:
        WN732 wrote:
        If it was anyone else it would never make the news.

        Anybody else would've lost their license by now.


        Again, no they would not have, as the FAA doesn't issue a license. They may have done a 709 ride, but assuming they passed, they would still have their certificate.
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        Re: Harrison Ford grounded

        Sat May 02, 2020 12:41 am

        Where is there any statement that Ford is "Grounded"? Mods, can we please correct the thread title?
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        Re: FAA investigating Harrison Ford after runway incident

        Sat May 02, 2020 2:10 am

        For him to fly without a copilot is a large safety risk to all. He can easily afford a copilot. He is no longer competent solo. (I don't know how FAA pilot licenses work though).
         
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        Re: FAA investigating Harrison Ford after runway incident

        Sat May 02, 2020 2:44 am

        Harrison Ford AGAIN!?!?!?!!? Is this a new incident or just investigation of his previous near miss? (landing on the taxiway)
         
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        Re: FAA investigating Harrison Ford after runway incident

        Sat May 02, 2020 3:56 am

        MaksFly wrote:
        Harrison Ford AGAIN!?!?!?!!? Is this a new incident or just investigation of his previous near miss? (landing on the taxiway)


        He did his flight training with Air Canada, apparently.......
         
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        Re: FAA investigating Harrison Ford after runway incident

        Sat May 02, 2020 4:42 am

        I sure hope he doesn't get his wings clipped. He obviously loves to fly. I guess we will have to wait and see what comes of it. Maybe some refresher courses on ATC perhaps?
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        Re: FAA investigating Harrison Ford after runway incident

        Sat May 02, 2020 5:25 am

        If the readback does end up being the issue here, I don’t expect there to be any actual issues for Ford. The hearback on the controller's side is just as important as the readback by the pilot.
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        Re: FAA investigating Harrison Ford after runway incident

        Sat May 02, 2020 6:25 am

        alasizon wrote:
        If the readback does end up being the issue here, I don’t expect there to be any actual issues for Ford. The hearback on the controller's side is just as important as the readback by the pilot.


        Are you saying that you believe that if a pilot misheard an atc instruction and read it back incorrectly without correction and it ended up causing a crash with fatalities, the pilot and atc should be 50/50 responsible?
         
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        Re: Harrison Ford grounded

        Sat May 02, 2020 3:45 pm

        flyPIT wrote:
        Here is a more comprehensive article:
        https://www.post-gazette.com/ae/celebrities/2020/04/29/Harrison-Ford-plane-runway-investigation-FAA-piloting-incident-crossed/stories/202004290160


        Nowhere have I read that he is grounded. Listening to the recording it is clear his violation was not intentional. When considering the issue of "readback/hearback" it is clear the controller did not properly "hearback" so there might be some blame there too if they really press the issue. If Ford did an ASRS report then he will not be grounded.

        He'll ground himself. He's not the type to evade responsibility.
         
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        Re: FAA investigating Harrison Ford after runway incident

        Sat May 02, 2020 4:22 pm

        Not that Ford wasn’t at fault but the controller made a strange call by saying “continue hold short of the runway” which is a bit confusing with his mumbeling voice. It’s normally “hold short of the runway” or “continue to cross the runway”
         
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        Re: Harrison Ford grounded

        Sat May 02, 2020 8:21 pm

        highflier92660 wrote:
        No one can deny Harrison Ford is a great ambassador for aviation.


        How, exactly, is Harrison Ford an ambassador for aviation? John Travolta is, or at least was, a great ambassador for aviation and aviation enthusiasm. Harrison Ford does nothing a great ambassador does. Nobody would even know he has a pilot's license if he didn't keep making the news for violating FAA regulations and/or ATC instructions.
         
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        Re: FAA investigating Harrison Ford after runway incident

        Sat May 02, 2020 8:25 pm

        hooverman wrote:
        Not that Ford wasn’t at fault but the controller made a strange call by saying “continue hold short of the runway” which is a bit confusing with his mumbeling voice. It’s normally “hold short of the runway” or “continue to cross the runway”


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        Re: Harrison Ford grounded

        Sat May 02, 2020 9:13 pm

        IPFreely wrote:
        highflier92660 wrote:
        No one can deny Harrison Ford is a great ambassador for aviation.


        How, exactly, is Harrison Ford an ambassador for aviation? John Travolta is, or at least was, a great ambassador for aviation and aviation enthusiasm. Harrison Ford does nothing a great ambassador does. Nobody would even know he has a pilot's license if he didn't keep making the news for violating FAA regulations and/or ATC instructions.

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        Re: FAA investigating Harrison Ford after runway incident

        Sat May 02, 2020 9:26 pm

        Hmm


        The force may be fading


        Time to hang it up or hire a professional pilot to fly with him, preferably airline


        He’s done a lot of good in aviation but at the end of the day he’s another example in a decades long list of celebrities / wealthy individuals that have got themselves into trouble and / or killed themselves or others as they lack and cannot possess the single minded dedication and mandated adherence to currency and a high level of competency and the testing to verify it mandated by the FAA for airline pilots
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        Re: FAA investigating Harrison Ford after runway incident

        Sat May 02, 2020 9:50 pm

        Max Q wrote:
        he’s another example in a decades long list of celebrities / wealthy individuals that have got themselves into trouble and / or killed themselves or others as they lack and cannot possess the single minded dedication and mandated adherence to currency and a high level of competency and the testing to verify it mandated by the FAA for airline pilots


        Very well put. I'm neither a celebrity or wealthy, but I have let my licence lapse because I have come to realise there is a gulf between what is required to be legal and what is required to be competent. And I no longer have the time or determination to stay at a level that I would deem competent.
         
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        Re: FAA investigating Harrison Ford after runway incident

        Mon May 04, 2020 12:41 am

        hooverman wrote:
        Not that Ford wasn’t at fault but the controller made a strange call by saying “continue hold short of the runway” which is a bit confusing with his mumbeling voice. It’s normally “hold short of the runway” or “continue to cross the runway”


        True, but the sight of an aircraft on the field’s sole runway AND the controller just having said ‘traffic on the runway’ would hopefully establish enough situational awareness not to enter said runway.
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        Re: FAA investigating Harrison Ford after runway incident

        Mon May 04, 2020 11:38 am

        He needs to defer to his brown, hairy sidekick..........
         
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        Re: FAA investigating Harrison Ford after runway incident

        Mon May 04, 2020 12:31 pm

        They didn't put the ATC transmission into this video. He said "continue hold short", really carelessly, after Ford reported holding short. What kind of ATC use fraze CONTINUE hold short? Why even respoding to someone who reports holding short? I know that it's 100% Ford's fault, but in my opinion ATC could and should be more professional in this situation. You can listen to full conversation here:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nU0BmAWtz5c

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