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Re: Air Canada announced for Q1 2020 a $1.05B loss + retirement of 79 older aircraft

Tue May 05, 2020 8:55 pm

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People who recognize me on this forum, know that I wish the MAX were dropped and an order for 321neo and additional 223s were added. But ^^that's^^ the vibe I got from Calin's comments.


I also share your thoughts on that matter
 
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Tue May 05, 2020 10:02 pm

codyul wrote:
People who recognize me on this forum, know that I wish the MAX were dropped and an order for 321neo and additional 223s were added. But ^^that's^^ the vibe I got from Calin's comments.


The whole MAX fiasco will depend on RTS. If it happens they will most likely complete the 50 aircraft order. But if it doesn't, then the 24 they already have become worthless... unless you're a lawyer for either AC or Boeing.

Of course AC have leased out aircraft they suddenly didn't want in the past, or they can sell them. However the market for used/leased aircraft is likely to be depressed for a long time.

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Tue May 05, 2020 10:16 pm

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Jetport wrote:
enplaned wrote:

Rule of thumb - E190s have approximately the trip cost of an A319 with many fewer seats.

Yes, that's not good.


I find that hard to believe. If the E190 has essentially the same trip cost as the A319 how did they sell any at all?

Saying E190 has similar trip cost of an A319 is underestimating. For VA and CZ both are complaining they're as costly as operating a 738, but with only half of the seats available. CF34-10's rooftop maintenance is absolutely killing the life of E190.

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Do E195s share the same engines with the E190s, thus having the same maintenance issues/costs, because i've never seen complaints about the largest variant
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Tue May 05, 2020 10:30 pm

beechnut wrote:
codyul wrote:
People who recognize me on this forum, know that I wish the MAX were dropped and an order for 321neo and additional 223s were added. But ^^that's^^ the vibe I got from Calin's comments.


The whole MAX fiasco will depend on RTS. If it happens they will most likely complete the 50 aircraft order. But if it doesn't, then the 24 they already have become worthless... unless you're a lawyer for either AC or Boeing.

Of course AC have leased out aircraft they suddenly didn't want in the past, or they can sell them. However the market for used/leased aircraft is likely to be depressed for a long time.

Beech

I believe that was the point of Calin's comments. Yes there would be ways of selling or leasing, but this would be at disadvantageous rates. Their current MAX were paid in full, not financed, from what I have understood. So AC has given a lot of capital and they would not be looking to sell them at losses JUST to get rid of them.
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Tue May 05, 2020 11:26 pm

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...Even the ERJ1000 sticks with a variant of the 8 instead of going to the 10...
You meant the CRJ-1000 right? It indeed sticked to the 8 variant.


yup I did... I fat fingered that line... I meant CRJ-1000.
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Wed May 06, 2020 1:40 am

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jeffrey0032j wrote:
Guess Amazon and/or CAM will be interested in some of Rouge's 767s. More choice for them with AA and AC offloading their 767s.

Jetran has already purchased AA’s 767 before they were even retired.

Jetran is a middleman, they sell the frames to other operators or part them out. CAM has purchased quite a number of 767s from them.
 
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Re: Air Canada announced for Q1 2020 a $1.05B loss + retirement of 79 older aircraft

Wed May 06, 2020 1:57 am

marcogr12 wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
Jetport wrote:

I find that hard to believe. If the E190 has essentially the same trip cost as the A319 how did they sell any at all?

Saying E190 has similar trip cost of an A319 is underestimating. For VA and CZ both are complaining they're as costly as operating a 738, but with only half of the seats available. CF34-10's rooftop maintenance is absolutely killing the life of E190.

Michael


Do E195s share the same engines with the E190s, thus having the same maintenance issues/costs, because i've never seen complaints about the largest variant

I was at a vendor for parts for the CF-34-10 when a customer vented about overhaul costs.


There are reasons the E-195 sold poorly, only 172 examples:
Azul (51) is upgrading to E295. Neeleman needs Brazil on his side, so no badmouthing. I think the customer base just lacked a loud North American airline.

AirCanada, American, and JetBlue were the ones in the press complaining. The first two are sending the E190s out of the fleet. JetBlue is replacing, plan was this year, with A220s.

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Re: Air Canada announced for Q1 2020 a $1.05B loss + retirement of 79 older aircraft

Wed May 06, 2020 2:26 am

I’m glad the E90s are leaving, absolutely terrible aircraft from a ground handling perspective
 
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Wed May 06, 2020 7:05 pm

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I’m glad the E90s are leaving, absolutely terrible aircraft from a ground handling perspective


How so? From a pax perspective though is a beloved regional jet
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Wed May 06, 2020 7:27 pm

marcogr12 wrote:
ACA772LR wrote:
I’m glad the E90s are leaving, absolutely terrible aircraft from a ground handling perspective


How so? From a pax perspective though is a beloved regional jet


From a pax perspective absolutely. Try loading 100 bags in the “pit” that has a floor to ceiling height of only about 2.5 feet and a length of about 15 feet, pretty tiring haha Not to mention physically gruelling
 
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Wed May 06, 2020 7:49 pm

ACA772LR wrote:
marcogr12 wrote:
ACA772LR wrote:
I’m glad the E90s are leaving, absolutely terrible aircraft from a ground handling perspective


How so? From a pax perspective though is a beloved regional jet


From a pax perspective absolutely. Try loading 100 bags in the “pit” that has a floor to ceiling height of only about 2.5 feet and a length of about 15 feet, pretty tiring haha Not to mention physically gruelling


Plus the multiple sensors hanging from the ceiling, and when they initially showed up there was a carpet like covering on the floor that made it impossible to slide bags when loading.
 
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Wed May 06, 2020 8:45 pm

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DLASFlyer wrote:
Are any of the 319s new enough to be picked up by other airlines? I know UA is adding used 319s, what about Delta?

A couple are <20 years old but most were delivered in the mid to late 90s. AC was a fairly early customer for the type and actually has one of the original A319 certification planes. They got rid of a bunch of their newer ones ~10 years ago when they were about 7-8 years old.

They will probably be scrapped, as airlines wanting to grow with used metal will likely be able to find newer post COVID.


Those A319s would likely also be pushing for another heavy check and be near 24.

What will be really interesting is the future of the A321s, as there won't be A319s or legacy (Air Canada or Canadian Airlines) A320s in the mainline fleet...however, I could see AC trying to get a deal on leasing more former Interjet A320s, just in case for the MAX situation. This is why AC may have made a mistake going from the A320 family to the MAX 8/9.
 
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Wed May 06, 2020 10:04 pm

Given traffic levels at the moment, and possibly well into the future, they could probably make do with a fleet of A220-300s and A321s, should the MAX not make it back into the skies. And if Airbus launched the A220-500, they'd have the whole capacity range covered until now with the 319/320/321.

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Wed May 06, 2020 10:59 pm

Whiteguy wrote:
ACA772LR wrote:
marcogr12 wrote:

How so? From a pax perspective though is a beloved regional jet


From a pax perspective absolutely. Try loading 100 bags in the “pit” that has a floor to ceiling height of only about 2.5 feet and a length of about 15 feet, pretty tiring haha Not to mention physically gruelling


Plus the multiple sensors hanging from the ceiling, and when they initially showed up there was a carpet like covering on the floor that made it impossible to slide bags when loading.


Aah the good ol cheese graters! And I heard the flooring was terrible so it’s good the flooring was changed
 
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Thu May 07, 2020 4:46 am

beechnut wrote:
Given traffic levels at the moment, and possibly well into the future, they could probably make do with a fleet of A220-300s and A321s, should the MAX not make it back into the skies. And if Airbus launched the A220-500, they'd have the whole capacity range covered until now with the 319/320/321.

Beech

I think the MAX will make it back into the skies
 
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Thu May 07, 2020 5:22 am

Agreed. MAX will stay. Paid-for expensive investment and also an ideal aircraft for many AC routes.
 
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Thu May 07, 2020 12:45 pm

We've been told many times that the MAX was purchased on very good financial terms. And now we're hearing that Boeing will compensate the airlines for the MAX fiasco with further discounts. Would that make the 7M8 even more financially advantageous? If yes, that's a perfect aircraft for Rouge. Inexpensive to buy, inexpensive to operate. Can reach most of Rouge destinations. What would be the seat count in the Y cabin?
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Re: Air Canada announced for Q1 2020 a $1.05B loss + retirement of 79 older aircraft

Thu May 07, 2020 12:50 pm

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What would be the seat count in the Y cabin?

Probably roughly around 175-180 total seats assuming 12 F. So 160-170 Y .
 
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Thu May 07, 2020 3:13 pm

WildcatYXU wrote:
We've been told many times that the MAX was purchased on very good financial terms. And now we're hearing that Boeing will compensate the airlines for the MAX fiasco with further discounts. Would that make the 7M8 even more financially advantageous? If yes, that's a perfect aircraft for Rouge. Inexpensive to buy, inexpensive to operate. Can reach most of Rouge destinations. What would be the seat count in the Y cabin?

If all the MAXs went to rouge, then what would fly the mainline AC routes? Just A220s and A321s? Or do you mean new aircraft bought for rouge.
 
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Thu May 07, 2020 4:16 pm

whywhytee wrote:
WildcatYXU wrote:
We've been told many times that the MAX was purchased on very good financial terms. And now we're hearing that Boeing will compensate the airlines for the MAX fiasco with further discounts. Would that make the 7M8 even more financially advantageous? If yes, that's a perfect aircraft for Rouge. Inexpensive to buy, inexpensive to operate. Can reach most of Rouge destinations. What would be the seat count in the Y cabin?

If all the MAXs went to rouge, then what would fly the mainline AC routes? Just A220s and A321s? Or do you mean new aircraft bought for rouge.


It could go both ways. Use the A220/A321 combo supported by the A320 until these cycle out and decide what to do later would be one option. Order more 7M8's and have them in both fleets would be the other. Doesn't AC still hold some options?
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Fri May 08, 2020 3:55 pm

Looks like another Rouge C-GBHZ heading to MZJ for parking. If Rouge does end up shuttering, I do hope AC brings back that livery as a special livery for some of their mainline fleet.
https://www.flightradar24.com/ROU2367/2477f9d0
 
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Fri May 08, 2020 4:42 pm

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Looks like another Rouge C-GBHZ heading to MZJ for parking. If Rouge does end up shuttering, I do hope AC brings back that livery as a special livery for some of their mainline fleet.
https://www.flightradar24.com/ROU2367/2477f9d0

Hopefully they also bring back the special TCA retro livery that was on an A319
 
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Fri May 08, 2020 8:13 pm

Is today the last day for the 767-375ER with AC992 headed back to YYZ?
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Sat May 09, 2020 4:20 am

whywhytee wrote:
airnorth wrote:
Looks like another Rouge C-GBHZ heading to MZJ for parking. If Rouge does end up shuttering, I do hope AC brings back that livery as a special livery for some of their mainline fleet.
https://www.flightradar24.com/ROU2367/2477f9d0

Hopefully they also bring back the special TCA retro livery that was on an A319


That would be nice. I had the opportunity to fly on FIN 264 twice.
 
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Sat May 09, 2020 10:10 am

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Is today the last day for the 767-375ER with AC992 headed back to YYZ?


Monday the flight is scheduled with a 767, par AC's flight status and flightradar24. The latter also indicates the type for wednesday and friday. Will it happen? Only time will tell.
 
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Sat May 09, 2020 12:55 pm

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I was so bullish on the E-190/195 more than a decade ago.... I just didn't expect the CF-34-10E to require so much extra care compared to the CF-34-8E of the 170/175. Then I learned that the 8 and the 10 are substantially different. Of course a 41% boost in thrust has to come at some cost to maintenance/durability. Even the ERJ1000 sticks with a variant of the 8 instead of going to the 10..

Thanks. I finally understand what the problem is with the E 190.
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Re: Air Canada announced for Q1 2020 a $1.05B loss + retirement of 79 older aircraft

Sat May 09, 2020 1:03 pm

Did anyone notice that while a Rouge 319 ferried YULMZJ May8 a Rouge 321(acft 478-CGHQI) ferried MZJYUL.
Does anyone know why???
 
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Sat May 09, 2020 3:15 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
Qantas59 wrote:
Is today the last day for the 767-375ER with AC992 headed back to YYZ?


Monday the flight is scheduled with a 767, par AC's flight status and flightradar24. The latter also indicates the type for wednesday and friday. Will it happen? Only time will tell.


I don’t have a source but I heard somewhere the ‘67 and 319 retirements are going to be staggered over time, could be wrong of course
 
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Sat May 09, 2020 5:20 pm

ACA772LR wrote:
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
Qantas59 wrote:
Is today the last day for the 767-375ER with AC992 headed back to YYZ?


Monday the flight is scheduled with a 767, par AC's flight status and flightradar24. The latter also indicates the type for wednesday and friday. Will it happen? Only time will tell.


I don’t have a source but I heard somewhere the ‘67 and 319 retirements are going to be staggered over time, could be wrong of course


I would imagine that will be the case given that the Q1 results presser said “E90s are done immediately” while it was “retiring the 319 & 763”. For the 319, I would not be surprised if it’s contingent on getting the MAX back in the skies, which is probably still at least 6 months from happening + the rate at which AC can get new 223s.
 
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Sat May 09, 2020 6:37 pm

Welp. This week already wasn't my favourite in recent memory, but reading this thread has really brought me down. I've spent a great deal of time on AC 767s (all types) over the years. The -300ER has brought me to all the corners of the globe at one point or another. Comfortable seat width. It always felt big without being crowded.

Sure sometimes they wouldn't start in winter or the lavs would act up. But there was something so classy and magic about getting out of seat 1A and chatting with the FAs at door L1 and then seeing it zip up neatly into the ceiling. So many glasses of Drappier and warm cookies. Waking up fresh in GRU.

I will miss that bird dearly. It was even the shuttle between my two homes (GVA and YUL/YOW) for many years before the 330 took over.

If some rampy or maintenance tech happens to run in to one on their duties, give 'er a hug for me. Job well done and many wonderful memories.
 
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Sat May 09, 2020 7:00 pm

I also had many nice trips on the 767 both 200, 200ER and 300ER. Most memorable was a spring trip to Seoul in J over a remote and mountainous part of Alaska. Great bird, but in the last couple of years I found reliability wasn’t so great and resulted in several big delays. One was so bad, from GLA, that EU regs basically resulted in free return tickets for myself and my wife. We turned down the $100 voucher initially offered. Took a few months but we were eventually reimbursed.

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Sat May 09, 2020 7:34 pm

SwissCanuck wrote:
Welp. This week already wasn't my favourite in recent memory, but reading this thread has really brought me down. I've spent a great deal of time on AC 767s (all types) over the years. The -300ER has brought me to all the corners of the globe at one point or another. Comfortable seat width. It always felt big without being crowded.

Sure sometimes they wouldn't start in winter or the lavs would act up. But there was something so classy and magic about getting out of seat 1A and chatting with the FAs at door L1 and then seeing it zip up neatly into the ceiling. So many glasses of Drappier and warm cookies. Waking up fresh in GRU.

I will miss that bird dearly. It was even the shuttle between my two homes (GVA and YUL/YOW) for many years before the 330 took over.

If some rampy or maintenance tech happens to run in to one on their duties, give 'er a hug for me. Job well done and many wonderful memories.


I agree. The 767 is for me "the perfect plane" in terms of comfort. I hate seeing the Hawai'i routes it used to fly being served with the 737 now. :mad:
 
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Sat May 09, 2020 8:10 pm

Well there goes any enjoy emend I had flying anywhere! No more 767s and nearly no more 320s so what’s left? The 737 :yuck:

I guess the A220 will become my new best friend.

I still wish they’d just cancel the thing. Boeing miserably failed to fulfil contract and lied about it being a safe product. If a car maker tried to make something that pathetic that model would get sued out of existence. If I buy something that does not work, I return it. Airlines should do the same here return for full refund!
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beechnut wrote:
I also had many nice trips on the 767 both 200, 200ER and 300ER. Most memorable was a spring trip to Seoul in J over a remote and mountainous part of Alaska. Great bird, but in the last couple of years I found reliability wasn’t so great and resulted in several big delays. One was so bad, from GLA, that EU regs basically resulted in free return tickets for myself and my wife. We turned down the $100 voucher initially offered. Took a few months but we were eventually reimbursed.

Beech


Heh, those rules are great. Its complicated, but a busted APU on the ramp of a BA 319 netted me a 350CHF GVA-YUL, return, in J. I didn't mind the unexpected overnight at the Hilton LHR T5 after that.
 
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Sun May 10, 2020 4:10 pm

Rouge will come back. December timeframe with 5 321s. That’s the plan for now subject to change. The FOPS management team will stick around so as to fulfill the requirements to hold an OC
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Sun May 10, 2020 5:59 pm

AC B767 will be retired but not completely gone yet, may see it from time to time in the air. The B787 is the best in my opinion.
 
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Mon May 11, 2020 9:35 pm

So first changes regarding Rouge:

Air Canada will operate both flights (YYZ and YUL) to Barcelona from June 25th with Boeing 787-8 instead of Air Canada Rouge 767-300ER.

https://twitter.com/maxcamposeurope/status/1259866000062808065?s=19
 
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Tue May 12, 2020 1:16 am

nascar1 wrote:
So first changes regarding Rouge:

Air Canada will operate both flights (YYZ and YUL) to Barcelona from June 25th with Boeing 787-8 instead of Air Canada Rouge 767-300ER.

https://twitter.com/maxcamposeurope/status/1259866000062808065?s=19


787-8 on both YUL & YYZ to ATH
333 on both YUL & YYZ to LIS also.
 
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Tue May 12, 2020 1:34 am

Here’s another of my AC 767 anecdotes. I was homeward bound (YUL) from Seoul via Vancouver. The home leg was a 767-200 YVR-YUL nonstop. Arrival was at around 22h00. Beautiful CAVU fall evening. On short final to 24L, the engines spooled up and the nose rose suddenly: GO AROUND. I thought it odd on such a beautiful night when the airport was quiet. I was none to pleased as I was tired from the long trip and still had an hour and a half drive home. The captain came on the PA to apologize. Aircraft ahead was slow clearing the runway.

He added “i know you’re all tired and want to get home, so we’ll make it quick”. We turned downwind for the tightest visual circuit I’ve ever experienced in a heavy. I swear it felt like I was in a C150! We were quickly back on final, I don’t think we lost much more than 5 minutes in the circuit. It was a quiet night so we didn’t have to get vectored back into the sequence. Remarkable aircraft. Happy on long overseas flights or Rapidair shuttles. Beautiful clean proportioned design, if it looks right, it probably flies right. IMHO, Boeing’s finest, after the Queen of course! And until AC “rouged” them, the most comfortable aircraft in the fleet, though the A330 is darned close.

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Tue May 12, 2020 8:45 am

HJM wrote:
AC B767 will be retired but not completely gone yet, may see it from time to time in the air. The B787 is the best in my opinion.


Care to explain that?
 
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Tue May 12, 2020 12:51 pm

SwissCanuck wrote:
HJM wrote:
AC B767 will be retired but not completely gone yet, may see it from time to time in the air. The B787 is the best in my opinion.


Care to explain that?


Removing rouge from the fleet was a complicated but smart move by the company. Amongst other reasons removing it eliminated pay protections for pilots if forced into rouge which surely would have happened. Those provisions allowed said pilots to keep the pay of the previous aircraft. Rouge represented a fixed cost. It’s rare you can chop such a fixed cost in one fell swoop.

The fleet may return , the 767s are gone for now but may be fired up again if the lift is needed. Kinda of like saying if the sky turns green at this point. All the company has to do is simply reintroduce it on a equipment bid. Do I think they’re coming back? I do not.
Stand-by for new ATIS message......
 
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Re: Air Canada announced for Q1 2020 a $1.05B loss + retirement of 79 older aircraft

Tue May 12, 2020 2:24 pm

But Rouge is not eliminated?!
I am trying to figure out what the play is by saying that all 319s and 767s will be retired, but not doing it immediately, or at least in very very short order.
How I wish I was in the corporate meetings where the real talk happens haha.
YUL PNC :weightlifter:
 
YOWVIEWER
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Re: Air Canada announced for Q1 2020 a $1.05B loss + retirement of 79 older aircraft

Tue May 12, 2020 4:24 pm

So I count a total of six E190's in the air, or just arrived, in Tucson from YYZ. And a 737Max on its way to Marana. Busy day reducing inventory with the 190's !
 
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Re: Air Canada announced for Q1 2020 a $1.05B loss + retirement of 79 older aircraft

Tue May 12, 2020 4:55 pm

YOWVIEWER wrote:
So I count a total of six E190's in the air, or just arrived, in Tucson from YYZ. And a 737Max on its way to Marana. Busy day reducing inventory with the 190's !


Sorta glad that I flew in it in March. Bye bye Birdie.
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Re: Air Canada announced for Q1 2020 a $1.05B loss + retirement of 79 older aircraft

Tue May 12, 2020 4:59 pm

YOWVIEWER wrote:
So I count a total of six E190's in the air, or just arrived, in Tucson from YYZ. And a 737Max on its way to Marana. Busy day reducing inventory with the 190's !


8 total are going today! 6 from YYZ and 2 from YRQ.
 
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Re: Air Canada announced for Q1 2020 a $1.05B loss + retirement of 79 older aircraft

Tue May 12, 2020 5:17 pm

Just curious...... how do the 16 pilots get back to YYZ ? Do they fly something that's been in storage back ? Thanks !
 
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Re: Air Canada announced for Q1 2020 a $1.05B loss + retirement of 79 older aircraft

Tue May 12, 2020 5:53 pm

YOWVIEWER wrote:
Just curious...... how do the 16 pilots get back to YYZ ? Do they fly something that's been in storage back ? Thanks !


Sometimes and aircraft ferry down to. In this case there’s a MAX scheduled back to YQG from MZJ, the crews could land transfer up to MZJ and hop on it.
 
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Re: Air Canada announced for Q1 2020 a $1.05B loss + retirement of 79 older aircraft

Tue May 12, 2020 5:59 pm

YOWVIEWER wrote:
Just curious...... how do the 16 pilots get back to YYZ ? Do they fly something that's been in storage back ? Thanks !


AC2337 A319 YYZ-TUS
Wed May 13
 
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Re: Air Canada announced for Q1 2020 a $1.05B loss + retirement of 79 older aircraft

Tue May 12, 2020 6:14 pm

codyul wrote:
But Rouge is not eliminated?!
I am trying to figure out what the play is by saying that all 319s and 767s will be retired, but not doing it immediately, or at least in very very short order.
How I wish I was in the corporate meetings where the real talk happens haha.


When Rouge will do the 're-start' this will happen either on A320 or A321 - but not with the A319 or B763.
IF demand will be back sooner and stronger than foreseen - we might see also some B763 taking back into service.
But for now RV will be a narrowbody operater after Covid-19 (and the B763 are 'just' parked...)

Once the time has come a (or the final) decision will be made to retire the 'parked' aircraft permanently.
 
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Re: Air Canada announced for Q1 2020 a $1.05B loss + retirement of 79 older aircraft

Tue May 12, 2020 6:19 pm

alexdelzotto wrote:
YOWVIEWER wrote:
Just curious...... how do the 16 pilots get back to YYZ ? Do they fly something that's been in storage back ? Thanks !


AC2337 A319 YYZ-TUS
Wed May 13


There you go, operates AC2336 back to YYZ...thanks!

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