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Fleet/Nose Numbers

Wed May 06, 2020 3:23 am

I am trying to determine the 3 & 4 digit fleet/nose numbers various US airlines use. Is there a database I can utilize to search fleet/nose numbers? (Each US carrier seems to have it's own 3 or 4 digit fleet numbering system.)

For example, I've been trying to locate fleet numbers for Commutair's Beech 1900C & Beech 1900D fleet when it flew for USAir Express, US Airways Express, Continental Connection and Continental Express. Craft flown for USAir Express & US Airways Express use 3 digit lettering while craft flown for Continental Connection and Continental Express use a 3 digit number. In both cases, the fleet/nose numbers bear no relation to the N registration numbers nor the MSN. Thank you for helping me!
 
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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Wed May 06, 2020 4:16 am

Airlines have a logic of their own, and that logic is specific to them and/or to the actual fleet.

Take the DL (ex-NW) A330s: 3301 through 3349 were "reserved" for A330-300s, 3350 through 3398 for A330-200s, and 3399 was a virtual nose number for parts that were pulled out of stock and sent to Repair Station..
Still talking about the DL Airbuses, 31xx is the A319 fleet, 32xx the A320 fleet, 35xx the A350 fleet and 81xx the A220-100 fleet.

On AA side, 777 fleet is starts at 7AA and grows from there, 737NG fleet (well, the 737-800) starts at 3AA, 757 started with 5xx, etc.
 
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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Wed May 06, 2020 4:32 am

Adding on to this, NW used 4-digit ship numbers for decades. Delta initially used 3-digit ship numbers until later years when specific fleet counts went over 100 aircraft (M88, 757). DL later adopted 4-digit ship numbers.

UA used 4-digit ship numbers for decades.

Pre-merger AA used a combo of 3-digit ship numbers that involved numbers and letters, depending on A/C type.

Back to NW...

1100 - D14
1200 - D13
2200 - 72S
3100 - 319
3200 - 32S
3300 - 333
3350 - 332
5500 - 757
5600 - 756
5800 - 753
6300 - 744
6600 - 742
6700 - 74F
9100 - DC9
9302 - M80
9600 - D93
9700 - D94
9800 - D95
9900 - D93
4400 - SF3 XJ
4600 - E75 CP
4900 - CR9 XJ
8000 - CRJ 9E

WayexTDI wrote:
Airlines have a logic of their own, and that logic is specific to them and/or to the actual fleet.

Take the DL (ex-NW) A330s: 3301 through 3349 were "reserved" for A330-300s, 3350 through 3398 for A330-200s, and 3399 was a virtual nose number for parts that were pulled out of stock and sent to Repair Station..
Still talking about the DL Airbuses, 31xx is the A319 fleet, 32xx the A320 fleet, 35xx the A350 fleet and 81xx the A220-100 fleet.

On AA side, 777 fleet is starts at 7AA and grows from there, 737NG fleet (well, the 737-800) starts at 3AA, 757 started with 5xx, etc.
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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Wed May 06, 2020 4:44 am

n7371f wrote:
Adding on to this, NW used 4-digit ship numbers for decades. Delta initially used 3-digit ship numbers until later years when specific fleet counts went over 100 aircraft (M88, 757). DL later adopted 4-digit ship numbers.

UA and CO used 4-digit ship numbers for decades.

Pre-merger AA used a combo of 3-digit ship numbers that involved numbers and letters, depending on A/C type.

Back to NW...

1100 - D14
1200 - D13
2200 - 72S
3100 - 319
3200 - 32S
3300 - 333
3350 - 332
5500 - 757
5600 - 756
5800 - 753
6300 - 744
6600 - 742
6700 - 74F
9100 - DC9
9302 - M80
9600 - D93
9700 - D94
9800 - D95
9900 - D93
4400 - SF3 XJ
4600 - E75 CP
4900 - CR9 XJ
8000 - CRJ 9E

WayexTDI wrote:
Airlines have a logic of their own, and that logic is specific to them and/or to the actual fleet.

Take the DL (ex-NW) A330s: 3301 through 3349 were "reserved" for A330-300s, 3350 through 3398 for A330-200s, and 3399 was a virtual nose number for parts that were pulled out of stock and sent to Repair Station..
Still talking about the DL Airbuses, 31xx is the A319 fleet, 32xx the A320 fleet, 35xx the A350 fleet and 81xx the A220-100 fleet.

On AA side, 777 fleet is starts at 7AA and grows from there, 737NG fleet (well, the 737-800) starts at 3AA, 757 started with 5xx, etc.


CO used 3 digit ship numbers up until its merger with UA when a 4th digit was added.
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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Wed May 06, 2020 5:17 am

So I presume you're looking for ship numbers, which as noted is different at each carrier.

The Delta Museum has done a good job of cataloging many of the fleet numbers. For example: http://www.deltamuseum.org/docs/site/ai ... f?sfvrsn=2
http://www.deltamuseum.org/docs/site/ai ... f?sfvrsn=2
http://www.deltamuseum.org/docs/site/ai ... f?sfvrsn=2
http://www.deltamuseum.org/exhibits/del ... eed-l-1011

As I recall also at DL the MD11s were ship 8xx, the MD88s were ship #s 9XX, and the MD90s were ships 92xx. I believe the 310s were 0xx (i.e. 002, 003 etc). The 727s were ships 5xx, and the 732s were ship 3xx. Off the top of my head I don't recall how they numbered the -700s. -800s, or -900s.

At JetBlue the 320s run from the 5xx through to the 8xx. The 321s are the 9xx, the 321NEOs are the 2xxx, and the 190s are the 1xx, 2xx, and 3xx.
 
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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Wed May 06, 2020 7:09 am

Planespotters.net lists fleet numbers. Just search for the airline, the fleet matrix will show and there is a column for fleet numbers. This can be sorted into number order if required.
 
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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Wed May 06, 2020 9:26 am

WayexTDI wrote:
On AA side, 777 fleet is starts at 7AA and grows from there, 737NG fleet (well, the 737-800) starts at 3AA, 757 started with 5xx, etc.


Minor correction: AA’s first 757s were registered in the N6xxAA/AN series starting with aircraft N610AA, and they were assigned numeric ship numbers starting with 610. They switched to alphanumeric ship numbers with the delivery of aircraft N644AA, which was assigned ship number 5BP.

Now that AA has retired the E190, MD-80, 757 and 767, it’s easy to identify the manufacturer just by the ship number. Alphanumerics are Boeing and numbers only are Airbus.

001-032 LAA A319 (CFM engines, sharklets, extended overwater)
101-128 LUS East A320 (CFM engines, extended overwater)
150-199 LUS East A321 (CFM engines)
279-293 A330-200
400-417 A321neo
507-587 LUS West A321 (IAE engines)
601-680 LUS West A320 (IAE engines, former America West)
700-741 LUS East A319 (CFM engines, extended overwater)
742-770 LUS East A319 (CFM engines)
771-778 ex-Frontier A319 (identical to LUS East A319s)
783-799 LAA A321T (IAE engines, sharklets)
801-840 LUS West A319 (IAE engines, former America West)
850-865 LAA A321H (IAE engines, sharklets, ETOPS)
866-899 LAA A321S (IAE engines, sharklets)
901-910 LAA A321S
912-927 LUS West A321
928-934 LAA A321S
970-982 LUS West A321 (former 500 series aircraft renumbered due to duplicate MD-80 ship numbers)
986-998 LAA A321S
3AA-3PX 737-800
3RA-3SB 737 MAX 8
7AA-7CC 777-200
7LA-7LW 777-300ER
8AA-8AX 787-8
8LA-8LY 787-9

As you can see, the alphanumeric ranges are much easier to keep track of and identify an aircraft type by than all of the Airbus number ranges. The 900 range was the worst up until recently because it contained LAA and LUS A319s, 757s, and E190s.

With the newest Boeing deliveries, AA has standardized on a Nxzzyy registration format where the first digit and the two letters correspond to the ship number. The other two digits in between are random.

For example: N324RA = 3RA, N870AX = 8AX

The new Airbus deliveries are following the standard NxxxAN format where the three digits are the ship number.

IIRC, AA had to resort to the alphanumerics because their system couldn’t handle 4-digit ship numbers.
 
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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Wed May 06, 2020 1:48 pm

catiii wrote:
So I presume you're looking for ship numbers, which as noted is different at each carrier.

The Delta Museum has done a good job of cataloging many of the fleet numbers. For example: http://www.deltamuseum.org/docs/site/ai ... f?sfvrsn=2
http://www.deltamuseum.org/docs/site/ai ... f?sfvrsn=2
http://www.deltamuseum.org/docs/site/ai ... f?sfvrsn=2
http://www.deltamuseum.org/exhibits/del ... eed-l-1011

As I recall also at DL the MD11s were ship 8xx, the MD88s were ship #s 9XX, and the MD90s were ships 92xx. I believe the 310s were 0xx (i.e. 002, 003 etc). The 727s were ships 5xx, and the 732s were ship 3xx. Off the top of my head I don't recall how they numbered the -700s. -800s, or -900s.

At JetBlue the 320s run from the 5xx through to the 8xx. The 321s are the 9xx, the 321NEOs are the 2xxx, and the 190s are the 1xx, 2xx, and 3xx.

DL 737-700: 36xx
DL 737-800: 37xx.
DL 737-900ERs: 3801 through 3930.
 
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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Wed May 06, 2020 8:32 pm

concordeforever wrote:
Planespotters.net lists fleet numbers. Just search for the airline, the fleet matrix will show and there is a column for fleet numbers. This can be sorted into number order if required.

Thank you. I use Planespotters.net every day. However, their list of fleet numbers is good, but they do NOT show fleet numbers for all aircraft.
 
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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Wed May 06, 2020 8:41 pm

catiii wrote:
So I presume you're looking for ship numbers, which as noted is different at each carrier.

The Delta Museum has done a good job of cataloging many of the fleet numbers. For example: http://www.deltamuseum.org/docs/site/ai ... f?sfvrsn=2
http://www.deltamuseum.org/docs/site/ai ... f?sfvrsn=2
http://www.deltamuseum.org/docs/site/ai ... f?sfvrsn=2
http://www.deltamuseum.org/exhibits/del ... eed-l-1011

As I recall also at DL the MD11s were ship 8xx, the MD88s were ship #s 9XX, and the MD90s were ships 92xx. I believe the 310s were 0xx (i.e. 002, 003 etc). The 727s were ships 5xx, and the 732s were ship 3xx. Off the top of my head I don't recall how they numbered the -700s. -800s, or -900s.

At JetBlue the 320s run from the 5xx through to the 8xx. The 321s are the 9xx, the 321NEOs are the 2xxx, and the 190s are the 1xx, 2xx, and 3xx.


The Delta PDFs and links are great! Thank you! Unfortunately, they don't have the fleet numbers I'm seeking.
 
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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Wed May 06, 2020 9:37 pm

dwightm wrote:
I am trying to determine the 3 & 4 digit fleet/nose numbers various US airlines use. Is there a database I can utilize to search fleet/nose numbers? (Each US carrier seems to have it's own 3 or 4 digit fleet numbering system.)

For example, I've been trying to locate fleet numbers for Commutair's Beech 1900C & Beech 1900D fleet when it flew for USAir Express, US Airways Express, Continental Connection and Continental Express. Craft flown for USAir Express & US Airways Express use 3 digit lettering while craft flown for Continental Connection and Continental Express use a 3 digit number. In both cases, the fleet/nose numbers bear no relation to the N registration numbers nor the MSN. Thank you for helping me!


-Are you aware of or have you tried any past editions of the annual fleet book jp airline-fleets international (from Switzerland) ? They included fleet numbers when known. I have a few of them. Sadly, they ceased publication of the book and CD version a few years ago. I highly recommend these books if you are not aware of them. Some of them are available for sale online from the North American distributor: https://www.buchair.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=127

-Also, I've done some past logging of these commuter types to include fleet numbers so I might personally be able to help. I don't have a lot of info from the east of the Mississippi but I do have some.
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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Wed May 06, 2020 9:44 pm

dwightm wrote:
concordeforever wrote:
Planespotters.net lists fleet numbers. Just search for the airline, the fleet matrix will show and there is a column for fleet numbers. This can be sorted into number order if required.

Thank you. I use Planespotters.net every day. However, their list of fleet numbers is good, but they do NOT show fleet numbers for all aircraft.


Depending on the airline, sometimes they don't show fleet numbers if it's easily derived from the registration.
 
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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Wed May 06, 2020 9:46 pm

dwightm wrote:
catiii wrote:
So I presume you're looking for ship numbers, which as noted is different at each carrier.

The Delta Museum has done a good job of cataloging many of the fleet numbers. For example: http://www.deltamuseum.org/docs/site/ai ... f?sfvrsn=2
http://www.deltamuseum.org/docs/site/ai ... f?sfvrsn=2
http://www.deltamuseum.org/docs/site/ai ... f?sfvrsn=2
http://www.deltamuseum.org/exhibits/del ... eed-l-1011

As I recall also at DL the MD11s were ship 8xx, the MD88s were ship #s 9XX, and the MD90s were ships 92xx. I believe the 310s were 0xx (i.e. 002, 003 etc). The 727s were ships 5xx, and the 732s were ship 3xx. Off the top of my head I don't recall how they numbered the -700s. -800s, or -900s.

At JetBlue the 320s run from the 5xx through to the 8xx. The 321s are the 9xx, the 321NEOs are the 2xxx, and the 190s are the 1xx, 2xx, and 3xx.


The Delta PDFs and links are great! Thank you! Unfortunately, they don't have the fleet numbers I'm seeking.


The pdf's have ship #s (i.e. nosewheel #s), N numbers, and MSNs. What else are you looking for?
 
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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Wed May 06, 2020 9:52 pm

I checked some old JP Fleets International books but couldn't find the fleet numbers listed for the CommutAir Beech 1900C or Ds.

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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Wed May 06, 2020 9:52 pm

For DL

100's - 76W (763ER)
1001-1099 A321
1200, 1200, 1500, 1600, 1700 76W
1800 - 764
3001-3099 - A321
3100's -A319
3200's - A320
3300 - A330
3400 - A339
3500 - A359
3600 - B73W
3700 - B738
3800/3900 - B739
5500-5600 -B752
5800 - B753
600's - B752
6300 - B744
6800 - B752
7000 - B772ER
7100 - B772LR
8100 - A221
8300 - A223
900/9000 - M88
9200 - M90
9500 - M95
9800 - DC9
 
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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Thu May 07, 2020 2:13 am

The777Man wrote:
I checked some old JP Fleets International books but couldn't find the fleet numbers listed for the CommutAir Beech 1900C or Ds.

The777Man


Thanks for having a look while I'm away from my books!
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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Thu May 07, 2020 2:33 am

dwightm wrote:
For example, I've been trying to locate fleet numbers for Commutair's Beech 1900C & Beech 1900D fleet when it flew for USAir Express, US Airways Express, Continental Connection and Continental Express. Craft flown for USAir Express & US Airways Express use 3 digit lettering while craft flown for Continental Connection and Continental Express use a 3 digit number. In both cases, the fleet/nose numbers bear no relation to the N registration numbers nor the MSN. Thank you for helping me!


-Going forward since The777Man looked in some jp fleet books and didn't find the requested info, have you started checking individual photos here on A.net for the info you need? Labor intensive but it is one avenue of research.

-Do you have a list of the N-numbers you are researching (that you can share) so I can cross-reference my photos? Like I said earlier, I don't have a lot of stuff from east of the Mississippi but I may be able to help with some. I'm not sure if any of the "Continental" B1900Cs you're researching ever served DEN Stapleton but I do have some photos of them in the early 90s prior to DIA opening.
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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Thu May 07, 2020 2:44 am

aeromoe wrote:
dwightm wrote:
For example, I've been trying to locate fleet numbers for Commutair's Beech 1900C & Beech 1900D fleet when it flew for USAir Express, US Airways Express, Continental Connection and Continental Express. Craft flown for USAir Express & US Airways Express use 3 digit lettering while craft flown for Continental Connection and Continental Express use a 3 digit number. In both cases, the fleet/nose numbers bear no relation to the N registration numbers nor the MSN. Thank you for helping me!


-Going forward since The777Man looked in some jp fleet books and didn't find the requested info, have you started checking individual photos here on A.net for the info you need? Labor intensive but it is one avenue of research.

-Do you have a list of the N-numbers you are researching (that you can share) so I can cross-reference my photos? Like I said earlier, I don't have a lot of stuff from east of the Mississippi but I may be able to help with some. I'm not sure if any of the "Continental" B1900Cs you're researching ever served DEN Stapleton but I do have some photos of them in the early 90s prior to DIA opening.


Aeromoe - I laughed to myself as I read your question. It's many, many, many hours & days of searching photos on A.net, JetPhotos, Planespotters, Airport-Data.com, Flightradar24.com, rzjets.net, Airframes.org, and Google Image Search that has led me to theA.net forums asking for help. I figure there are a lot more people on here much smarter than me! I'll get back to you with a partial list. Thank you!!!!
 
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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Thu May 07, 2020 2:49 am

dwightm wrote:
aeromoe wrote:
dwightm wrote:
For example, I've been trying to locate fleet numbers for Commutair's Beech 1900C & Beech 1900D fleet when it flew for USAir Express, US Airways Express, Continental Connection and Continental Express. Craft flown for USAir Express & US Airways Express use 3 digit lettering while craft flown for Continental Connection and Continental Express use a 3 digit number. In both cases, the fleet/nose numbers bear no relation to the N registration numbers nor the MSN. Thank you for helping me!


-Going forward since The777Man looked in some jp fleet books and didn't find the requested info, have you started checking individual photos here on A.net for the info you need? Labor intensive but it is one avenue of research.

-Do you have a list of the N-numbers you are researching (that you can share) so I can cross-reference my photos? Like I said earlier, I don't have a lot of stuff from east of the Mississippi but I may be able to help with some. I'm not sure if any of the "Continental" B1900Cs you're researching ever served DEN Stapleton but I do have some photos of them in the early 90s prior to DIA opening.


Aeromoe - I laughed to myself as I read your question. It's many, many, many hours & days of searching photos on A.net, JetPhotos, Planespotters, Airport-Data.com, Flightradar24.com, rzjets.net, Airframes.org, and Google Image Search that has led me to theA.net forums asking for help. I figure there are a lot more people on here much smarter than me! I'll get back to you with a partial list. Thank you!!!!


Glad you've been able to do some research but I am hopeful I might be able to provide some assistance.

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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Thu May 07, 2020 2:53 am

WayexTDI wrote:
catiii wrote:
So I presume you're looking for ship numbers, which as noted is different at each carrier.

The Delta Museum has done a good job of cataloging many of the fleet numbers. For example: http://www.deltamuseum.org/docs/site/ai ... f?sfvrsn=2
http://www.deltamuseum.org/docs/site/ai ... f?sfvrsn=2
http://www.deltamuseum.org/docs/site/ai ... f?sfvrsn=2
http://www.deltamuseum.org/exhibits/del ... eed-l-1011

As I recall also at DL the MD11s were ship 8xx, the MD88s were ship #s 9XX, and the MD90s were ships 92xx. I believe the 310s were 0xx (i.e. 002, 003 etc). The 727s were ships 5xx, and the 732s were ship 3xx. Off the top of my head I don't recall how they numbered the -700s. -800s, or -900s.

At JetBlue the 320s run from the 5xx through to the 8xx. The 321s are the 9xx, the 321NEOs are the 2xxx, and the 190s are the 1xx, 2xx, and 3xx.

DL 737-700: 36xx
DL 737-800: 37xx.
DL 737-900ERs: 3801 through 3930.


The 73Gs were renumbered from 31xx to deconflict from the A319s after the merger.
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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Thu May 07, 2020 3:16 am

I note that thats a more USA practice, not followed by other carriers from other countries. Why?
 
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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Thu May 07, 2020 3:26 am

aeromoe wrote:
dwightm wrote:
For example, I've been trying to locate fleet numbers for Commutair's Beech 1900C & Beech 1900D fleet when it flew for USAir Express, US Airways Express, Continental Connection and Continental Express. Craft flown for USAir Express & US Airways Express use 3 digit lettering while craft flown for Continental Connection and Continental Express use a 3 digit number. In both cases, the fleet/nose numbers bear no relation to the N registration numbers nor the MSN. Thank you for helping me!


-Going forward since The777Man looked in some jp fleet books and didn't find the requested info, have you started checking individual photos here on A.net for the info you need? Labor intensive but it is one avenue of research.

-Do you have a list of the N-numbers you are researching (that you can share) so I can cross-reference my photos? Like I said earlier, I don't have a lot of stuff from east of the Mississippi but I may be able to help with some. I'm not sure if any of the "Continental" B1900Cs you're researching ever served DEN Stapleton but I do have some photos of them in the early 90s prior to DIA opening.


CommutAir
Reg No. MSN ID No. Equipment
N1501C UC-47 Beech 1900C-1
N15031 UC-103 Beech 1900C-1
N15305 UC-100 Beech 1900C-1
N15382 UC-92 Beech 1900C-1
N15536 UC-89 Beech 1900C-1
N15547 UC-86 Beech 1900C-1
N15550 UC-114 Beech 1900C-1
N15615 UC-129 Beech 1900C-1
N15628 UC-74 Beech 1900C-1
N15656 UC-108 Beech 1900C-1
N15669 UC-71 Beech 1900C-1
N15680 UC-96 Beech 1900C-1
N31136 UE-363 783 Beech 1900D
N31477 UE-377 773 Beech 1900D
N32022 UE-382 Beech 1900D
N32290 UE-385 778 Beech 1900D
N40484 UE-389 762 Beech 1900D
N40486 UE-386 Beech 1900D
N40729 UE-390 764 Beech 1900D
N44102 UE-392 768 Beech 1900D
N44678 UE-378 774 Beech 1900D
N44687 UE-387 784 Beech 1900D
N44695 UE-395 CVB-771 Beech 1900D
N44739 UE-407 776 Beech 1900D
N44810 UE-391 Beech 1900D
N44812 UE-410 782 Beech 1900D
N55000 UE-32 Beech 1900C-1
N55201 UC-132 Beech 1900C-1
N55227 UC-113 Beech 1900C-1
N55309 UC-110 Beech 1900C-1
N55522 UC-171 Beech 1900C-1
N55668 UC-138 Beech 1900C-1
N55782 UC-168 Beech 1900C-1
N830CA UE-393 767 Beech 1900D
N831CA UE-20 LVB Beech 1900D
N831CA UE-395 CVB-771 Beech 1900D
N832CA UE-22 Beech 1900D
N832CA UE-406 772 Beech 1900D
N833CA UE-377 773 Beech 1900D
N833CA UE-24 LVA Beech 1900D
N83306 UE-24 LVA Beech 1900D
N834CA UE-25 Beech 1900D
N834CA UE-378 774 Beech 1900D
N83413 UE-25 Beech 1900D
N835CA UE-30 Beech 1900D
N835CA UE-400 769 Beech 1900D
N83511 UE-30 Beech 1900D
N836CA UE-32 Beech 1900D
N836CA UE-407 776 Beech 1900D
N83611 UE-32 Beech 1900D
N837CA UE-16 Beech 1900D
N837CA UE-397 765 Beech 1900D
N838CA UE-34 Beech 1900D
N838CA UE-396 766 Beech 1900D
N839CA UE-36 LVM Beech 1900D
N839CA UE-385 778 Beech 1900D
N83901 UE-36 LVM Beech 1900D
N840CA UE-38 Beech 1900D
N840CA UE-401 779 Beech 1900D
N841CA UE-40 Beech 1900D
N84102 UE-40 Beech 1900D
N842CA UE-402 781 Beech 1900D
N842CA UE-410 Beech 1900D
N843CA UE-382 Beech 1900D
N843CA UE-43 Beech 1900D
N84307 UE-43 Beech 1900D
N844CA UE-410 782 Beech 1900D
N844CA UE-45 Beech 1900D
N84413 UE-45 Beech 1900D
N845CA UE-388 761 Beech 1900D
N845CA UE-47 Beech 1900D
N84502 UE-47 Beech 1900D
N846CA UE-363 783 Beech 1900D
N846CA UE-49 Beech 1900D
N84613 UE-49 Beech 1900D
N847CA UE-386 777 Beech 1900D
N847CA UE-52 Beech 1900D
N84703 UE-52 Beech 1900D
N848CA UE-387 784 Beech 1900D
N848CA UE-53 Beech 1900D
N84802 UE-53 Beech 1900D
N850CA UE-215 Beech 1900D
N852CA UE-389 762 Beech 1900D
N852CA UE-55 Beech 1900D
N853CA UE-390 764 Beech 1900D
N853CA UE-56 Beech 1900D
N85341 UE-56 Beech 1900D
N854CA UE-399 770 Beech 1900D
N854CA UE-60 Beech 1900D
N85445 UE-60 Beech 1900D
N855CA UE-392 768 Beech 1900D
N855CA UE-61 Beech 1900D
N85516 UE-61 Beech 1900D
N856CA UE-405 786-CWB Beech 1900D
N856CA UE-66 Beech 1900D
N85608 UE-66 Beech 1900D
N857CA UE-403 787 Beech 1900D
N857CA UE-71 Beech 1900D
N85704 UE-71 Beech 1900D
N858CA UE-408 788 Beech 1900D
N858CA UE-72 Beech 1900D
N85804 UE-72 Beech 1900D
N859CA UE-128 CWE Beech 1900D
N860CA UE-134 Beech 1900D
N861CA UE-164 Beech 1900D
N862CA UE-180 CWH Beech 1900D
 
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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Thu May 07, 2020 3:27 am

aeromoe wrote:
dwightm wrote:
For example, I've been trying to locate fleet numbers for Commutair's Beech 1900C & Beech 1900D fleet when it flew for USAir Express, US Airways Express, Continental Connection and Continental Express. Craft flown for USAir Express & US Airways Express use 3 digit lettering while craft flown for Continental Connection and Continental Express use a 3 digit number. In both cases, the fleet/nose numbers bear no relation to the N registration numbers nor the MSN. Thank you for helping me!


-Going forward since The777Man looked in some jp fleet books and didn't find the requested info, have you started checking individual photos here on A.net for the info you need? Labor intensive but it is one avenue of research.

-Do you have a list of the N-numbers you are researching (that you can share) so I can cross-reference my photos? Like I said earlier, I don't have a lot of stuff from east of the Mississippi but I may be able to help with some. I'm not sure if any of the "Continental" B1900Cs you're researching ever served DEN Stapleton but I do have some photos of them in the early 90s prior to DIA opening.


CommutAir
Reg No. MSN ID No. Equipment
N1501C UC-47 Beech 1900C-1
N15031 UC-103 Beech 1900C-1
N15305 UC-100 Beech 1900C-1
N15382 UC-92 Beech 1900C-1
N15536 UC-89 Beech 1900C-1
N15547 UC-86 Beech 1900C-1
N15550 UC-114 Beech 1900C-1
N15615 UC-129 Beech 1900C-1
N15628 UC-74 Beech 1900C-1
N15656 UC-108 Beech 1900C-1
N15669 UC-71 Beech 1900C-1
N15680 UC-96 Beech 1900C-1
N31136 UE-363 783 Beech 1900D
N31477 UE-377 773 Beech 1900D
N32022 UE-382 Beech 1900D
N32290 UE-385 778 Beech 1900D
N40484 UE-389 762 Beech 1900D
N40486 UE-386 Beech 1900D
N40729 UE-390 764 Beech 1900D
N44102 UE-392 768 Beech 1900D
N44678 UE-378 774 Beech 1900D
N44687 UE-387 784 Beech 1900D
N44695 UE-395 CVB-771 Beech 1900D
N44739 UE-407 776 Beech 1900D
N44810 UE-391 Beech 1900D
N44812 UE-410 782 Beech 1900D
N55000 UE-32 Beech 1900C-1
N55201 UC-132 Beech 1900C-1
N55227 UC-113 Beech 1900C-1
N55309 UC-110 Beech 1900C-1
N55522 UC-171 Beech 1900C-1
N55668 UC-138 Beech 1900C-1
N55782 UC-168 Beech 1900C-1
N830CA UE-393 767 Beech 1900D
N831CA UE-20 LVB Beech 1900D
N831CA UE-395 CVB-771 Beech 1900D
N832CA UE-22 Beech 1900D
N832CA UE-406 772 Beech 1900D
N833CA UE-377 773 Beech 1900D
N833CA UE-24 LVA Beech 1900D
N83306 UE-24 LVA Beech 1900D
N834CA UE-25 Beech 1900D
N834CA UE-378 774 Beech 1900D
N83413 UE-25 Beech 1900D
N835CA UE-30 Beech 1900D
N835CA UE-400 769 Beech 1900D
N83511 UE-30 Beech 1900D
N836CA UE-32 Beech 1900D
N836CA UE-407 776 Beech 1900D
N83611 UE-32 Beech 1900D
N837CA UE-16 Beech 1900D
N837CA UE-397 765 Beech 1900D
N838CA UE-34 Beech 1900D
N838CA UE-396 766 Beech 1900D
N839CA UE-36 LVM Beech 1900D
N839CA UE-385 778 Beech 1900D
N83901 UE-36 LVM Beech 1900D
N840CA UE-38 Beech 1900D
N840CA UE-401 779 Beech 1900D
N841CA UE-40 Beech 1900D
N84102 UE-40 Beech 1900D
N842CA UE-402 781 Beech 1900D
N842CA UE-410 Beech 1900D
N843CA UE-382 Beech 1900D
N843CA UE-43 Beech 1900D
N84307 UE-43 Beech 1900D
N844CA UE-410 782 Beech 1900D
N844CA UE-45 Beech 1900D
N84413 UE-45 Beech 1900D
N845CA UE-388 761 Beech 1900D
N845CA UE-47 Beech 1900D
N84502 UE-47 Beech 1900D
N846CA UE-363 783 Beech 1900D
N846CA UE-49 Beech 1900D
N84613 UE-49 Beech 1900D
N847CA UE-386 777 Beech 1900D
N847CA UE-52 Beech 1900D
N84703 UE-52 Beech 1900D
N848CA UE-387 784 Beech 1900D
N848CA UE-53 Beech 1900D
N84802 UE-53 Beech 1900D
N850CA UE-215 Beech 1900D
N852CA UE-389 762 Beech 1900D
N852CA UE-55 Beech 1900D
N853CA UE-390 764 Beech 1900D
N853CA UE-56 Beech 1900D
N85341 UE-56 Beech 1900D
N854CA UE-399 770 Beech 1900D
N854CA UE-60 Beech 1900D
N85445 UE-60 Beech 1900D
N855CA UE-392 768 Beech 1900D
N855CA UE-61 Beech 1900D
N85516 UE-61 Beech 1900D
N856CA UE-405 786-CWB Beech 1900D
N856CA UE-66 Beech 1900D
N85608 UE-66 Beech 1900D
N857CA UE-403 787 Beech 1900D
N857CA UE-71 Beech 1900D
N85704 UE-71 Beech 1900D
N858CA UE-408 788 Beech 1900D
N858CA UE-72 Beech 1900D
N85804 UE-72 Beech 1900D
N859CA UE-128 CWE Beech 1900D
N860CA UE-134 Beech 1900D
N861CA UE-164 Beech 1900D
N862CA UE-180 CWH Beech 1900D
 
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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Thu May 07, 2020 3:46 am

BTW, does anyone know the system or have a database for how Canadian airlines select fleet numbers?
 
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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Thu May 07, 2020 4:27 am

dwightm wrote:
aeromoe wrote:
dwightm wrote:
For example, I've been trying to locate fleet numbers for Commutair's Beech 1900C & Beech 1900D fleet when it flew for USAir Express, US Airways Express, Continental Connection and Continental Express. Craft flown for USAir Express & US Airways Express use 3 digit lettering while craft flown for Continental Connection and Continental Express use a 3 digit number. In both cases, the fleet/nose numbers bear no relation to the N registration numbers nor the MSN. Thank you for helping me!


-Going forward since The777Man looked in some jp fleet books and didn't find the requested info, have you started checking individual photos here on A.net for the info you need? Labor intensive but it is one avenue of research.

-Do you have a list of the N-numbers you are researching (that you can share) so I can cross-reference my photos? Like I said earlier, I don't have a lot of stuff from east of the Mississippi but I may be able to help with some. I'm not sure if any of the "Continental" B1900Cs you're researching ever served DEN Stapleton but I do have some photos of them in the early 90s prior to DIA opening.


CommutAir
Reg No. MSN ID No. Equipment
N1501C UC-47 Beech 1900C-1
N15031 UC-103 Beech 1900C-1
N15305 UC-100 Beech 1900C-1
N15382 UC-92 Beech 1900C-1
N15536 UC-89 Beech 1900C-1
N15547 UC-86 Beech 1900C-1
N15550 UC-114 Beech 1900C-1
N15615 UC-129 Beech 1900C-1
N15628 UC-74 Beech 1900C-1
N15656 UC-108 Beech 1900C-1
N15669 UC-71 Beech 1900C-1
N15680 UC-96 Beech 1900C-1
N31136 UE-363 783 Beech 1900D
N31477 UE-377 773 Beech 1900D
N32022 UE-382 Beech 1900D
N32290 UE-385 778 Beech 1900D
N40484 UE-389 762 Beech 1900D
N40486 UE-386 Beech 1900D
N40729 UE-390 764 Beech 1900D
N44102 UE-392 768 Beech 1900D
N44678 UE-378 774 Beech 1900D
N44687 UE-387 784 Beech 1900D
N44695 UE-395 CVB-771 Beech 1900D
N44739 UE-407 776 Beech 1900D
N44810 UE-391 Beech 1900D
N44812 UE-410 782 Beech 1900D
N55000 UE-32 Beech 1900C-1
N55201 UC-132 Beech 1900C-1
N55227 UC-113 Beech 1900C-1
N55309 UC-110 Beech 1900C-1
N55522 UC-171 Beech 1900C-1
N55668 UC-138 Beech 1900C-1
N55782 UC-168 Beech 1900C-1
N830CA UE-393 767 Beech 1900D
N831CA UE-20 LVB Beech 1900D
N831CA UE-395 CVB-771 Beech 1900D
N832CA UE-22 Beech 1900D
N832CA UE-406 772 Beech 1900D
N833CA UE-377 773 Beech 1900D
N833CA UE-24 LVA Beech 1900D
N83306 UE-24 LVA Beech 1900D
N834CA UE-25 Beech 1900D
N834CA UE-378 774 Beech 1900D
N83413 UE-25 Beech 1900D
N835CA UE-30 Beech 1900D
N835CA UE-400 769 Beech 1900D
N83511 UE-30 Beech 1900D
N836CA UE-32 Beech 1900D
N836CA UE-407 776 Beech 1900D
N83611 UE-32 Beech 1900D
N837CA UE-16 Beech 1900D
N837CA UE-397 765 Beech 1900D
N838CA UE-34 Beech 1900D
N838CA UE-396 766 Beech 1900D
N839CA UE-36 LVM Beech 1900D
N839CA UE-385 778 Beech 1900D
N83901 UE-36 LVM Beech 1900D
N840CA UE-38 Beech 1900D
N840CA UE-401 779 Beech 1900D
N841CA UE-40 Beech 1900D
N84102 UE-40 Beech 1900D
N842CA UE-402 781 Beech 1900D
N842CA UE-410 Beech 1900D
N843CA UE-382 Beech 1900D
N843CA UE-43 Beech 1900D
N84307 UE-43 Beech 1900D
N844CA UE-410 782 Beech 1900D
N844CA UE-45 Beech 1900D
N84413 UE-45 Beech 1900D
N845CA UE-388 761 Beech 1900D
N845CA UE-47 Beech 1900D
N84502 UE-47 Beech 1900D
N846CA UE-363 783 Beech 1900D
N846CA UE-49 Beech 1900D
N84613 UE-49 Beech 1900D
N847CA UE-386 777 Beech 1900D
N847CA UE-52 Beech 1900D
N84703 UE-52 Beech 1900D
N848CA UE-387 784 Beech 1900D
N848CA UE-53 Beech 1900D
N84802 UE-53 Beech 1900D
N850CA UE-215 Beech 1900D
N852CA UE-389 762 Beech 1900D
N852CA UE-55 Beech 1900D
N853CA UE-390 764 Beech 1900D
N853CA UE-56 Beech 1900D
N85341 UE-56 Beech 1900D
N854CA UE-399 770 Beech 1900D
N854CA UE-60 Beech 1900D
N85445 UE-60 Beech 1900D
N855CA UE-392 768 Beech 1900D
N855CA UE-61 Beech 1900D
N85516 UE-61 Beech 1900D
N856CA UE-405 786-CWB Beech 1900D
N856CA UE-66 Beech 1900D
N85608 UE-66 Beech 1900D
N857CA UE-403 787 Beech 1900D
N857CA UE-71 Beech 1900D
N85704 UE-71 Beech 1900D
N858CA UE-408 788 Beech 1900D
N858CA UE-72 Beech 1900D
N85804 UE-72 Beech 1900D
N859CA UE-128 CWE Beech 1900D
N860CA UE-134 Beech 1900D
N861CA UE-164 Beech 1900D
N862CA UE-180 CWH Beech 1900D


Thanks for the list - I hope to be able to cross some more of these for you..
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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Thu May 07, 2020 4:33 am

dwightm wrote:

CommutAir
Reg No. MSN ID No. Equipment

N40484 UE-389 762 Beech 1900D
N40486 UE-386 Beech 1900D



Off topic but it's cool these registrations used to be 727-22s Continental picked up used from United in the late 70s.
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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Thu May 07, 2020 11:31 am

aeromoe wrote:
dwightm wrote:
aeromoe wrote:

-Going forward since The777Man looked in some jp fleet books and didn't find the requested info, have you started checking individual photos here on A.net for the info you need? Labor intensive but it is one avenue of research.

-Do you have a list of the N-numbers you are researching (that you can share) so I can cross-reference my photos? Like I said earlier, I don't have a lot of stuff from east of the Mississippi but I may be able to help with some. I'm not sure if any of the "Continental" B1900Cs you're researching ever served DEN Stapleton but I do have some photos of them in the early 90s prior to DIA opening.


CommutAir
Reg No. MSN ID No. Equipment
N1501C UC-47 Beech 1900C-1
N15031 UC-103 Beech 1900C-1
N15305 UC-100 Beech 1900C-1
N15382 UC-92 Beech 1900C-1
N15536 UC-89 Beech 1900C-1
N15547 UC-86 Beech 1900C-1
N15550 UC-114 Beech 1900C-1
N15615 UC-129 Beech 1900C-1
N15628 UC-74 Beech 1900C-1
N15656 UC-108 Beech 1900C-1
N15669 UC-71 Beech 1900C-1
N15680 UC-96 Beech 1900C-1
N31136 UE-363 783 Beech 1900D
N31477 UE-377 773 Beech 1900D
N32022 UE-382 Beech 1900D
N32290 UE-385 778 Beech 1900D
N40484 UE-389 762 Beech 1900D
N40486 UE-386 Beech 1900D
N40729 UE-390 764 Beech 1900D
N44102 UE-392 768 Beech 1900D
N44678 UE-378 774 Beech 1900D
N44687 UE-387 784 Beech 1900D
N44695 UE-395 CVB-771 Beech 1900D
N44739 UE-407 776 Beech 1900D
N44810 UE-391 Beech 1900D
N44812 UE-410 782 Beech 1900D
N55000 UE-32 Beech 1900C-1
N55201 UC-132 Beech 1900C-1
N55227 UC-113 Beech 1900C-1
N55309 UC-110 Beech 1900C-1
N55522 UC-171 Beech 1900C-1
N55668 UC-138 Beech 1900C-1
N55782 UC-168 Beech 1900C-1
N830CA UE-393 767 Beech 1900D
N831CA UE-20 LVB Beech 1900D
N831CA UE-395 CVB-771 Beech 1900D
N832CA UE-22 Beech 1900D
N832CA UE-406 772 Beech 1900D
N833CA UE-377 773 Beech 1900D
N833CA UE-24 LVA Beech 1900D
N83306 UE-24 LVA Beech 1900D
N834CA UE-25 Beech 1900D
N834CA UE-378 774 Beech 1900D
N83413 UE-25 Beech 1900D
N835CA UE-30 Beech 1900D
N835CA UE-400 769 Beech 1900D
N83511 UE-30 Beech 1900D
N836CA UE-32 Beech 1900D
N836CA UE-407 776 Beech 1900D
N83611 UE-32 Beech 1900D
N837CA UE-16 Beech 1900D
N837CA UE-397 765 Beech 1900D
N838CA UE-34 Beech 1900D
N838CA UE-396 766 Beech 1900D
N839CA UE-36 LVM Beech 1900D
N839CA UE-385 778 Beech 1900D
N83901 UE-36 LVM Beech 1900D
N840CA UE-38 Beech 1900D
N840CA UE-401 779 Beech 1900D
N841CA UE-40 Beech 1900D
N84102 UE-40 Beech 1900D
N842CA UE-402 781 Beech 1900D
N842CA UE-410 Beech 1900D
N843CA UE-382 Beech 1900D
N843CA UE-43 Beech 1900D
N84307 UE-43 Beech 1900D
N844CA UE-410 782 Beech 1900D
N844CA UE-45 Beech 1900D
N84413 UE-45 Beech 1900D
N845CA UE-388 761 Beech 1900D
N845CA UE-47 Beech 1900D
N84502 UE-47 Beech 1900D
N846CA UE-363 783 Beech 1900D
N846CA UE-49 Beech 1900D
N84613 UE-49 Beech 1900D
N847CA UE-386 777 Beech 1900D
N847CA UE-52 Beech 1900D
N84703 UE-52 Beech 1900D
N848CA UE-387 784 Beech 1900D
N848CA UE-53 Beech 1900D
N84802 UE-53 Beech 1900D
N850CA UE-215 Beech 1900D
N852CA UE-389 762 Beech 1900D
N852CA UE-55 Beech 1900D
N853CA UE-390 764 Beech 1900D
N853CA UE-56 Beech 1900D
N85341 UE-56 Beech 1900D
N854CA UE-399 770 Beech 1900D
N854CA UE-60 Beech 1900D
N85445 UE-60 Beech 1900D
N855CA UE-392 768 Beech 1900D
N855CA UE-61 Beech 1900D
N85516 UE-61 Beech 1900D
N856CA UE-405 786-CWB Beech 1900D
N856CA UE-66 Beech 1900D
N85608 UE-66 Beech 1900D
N857CA UE-403 787 Beech 1900D
N857CA UE-71 Beech 1900D
N85704 UE-71 Beech 1900D
N858CA UE-408 788 Beech 1900D
N858CA UE-72 Beech 1900D
N85804 UE-72 Beech 1900D
N859CA UE-128 CWE Beech 1900D
N860CA UE-134 Beech 1900D
N861CA UE-164 Beech 1900D
N862CA UE-180 CWH Beech 1900D


Thanks for the list - I hope to be able to cross some more of these for you..



Yeah, unfortunately I couldn't add much to your list other than fleet number 780 for N841CA. The frames seen at DEN in the early 90s are not part of these fleets. Sorry mate.
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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Thu May 07, 2020 2:38 pm

ThalesCoelho wrote:
I note that thats a more USA practice, not followed by other carriers from other countries. Why?

Most other countries use only letters in the registration number, to have a total of 5 characters when you include the country code (so, 1 country code letter + 4 craft ID letter, or 2 country code letters/numbers and 3 craft ID letters); whereas, in the US, it can be all numbers or numbers (up to 3) letters (up to 2), with a max of 5 positions on top of the country code N.
So, most other countries use the last 2 (or maybe 3) letters of the registration number as fleet number. Since it's letters, it gives you many more combination possibilities (24^2 = 576, since no "O" or "I") than numbers (100 max).
 
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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Thu May 07, 2020 4:43 pm

dwightm wrote:
BTW, does anyone know the system or have a database for how Canadian airlines select fleet numbers?


It's by airline... most do it by type series...

Air Canada currently:

1xx= A220
2xx= A319 & A320
3xx= E190
4xx= A321
5xx= 737MAX-8
6xx= 763
7xx= 77L (700-729) 77W (730+)
8xx= 787-8 (800-829) 787-9 (830+)
9xx= A330

These are recycled and reassigned obviously as fleets change...

Jazz has it's own set:

1xx= CRJ200
3xx= Dash8-300
4xx= Q400
7xx= CRJ900
8xx= Dash8-100

and SkyRegional's E175s kept their former AC fins in the 3xx range

Westjet currenty uses:

0xx&2xx= 737-700
3xx= 737-MAX8
4xx= Encore Q400
5xx= Link
6xx= 737-600 & 767-300
8xx= 737-800
9xx= 787-9


Air Transat uses:

0xx= A330-300
1xx & 2xx= A330-200
3xx= A310
4xx= 737-800
5xx= A321
7xx= A321NEO
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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Thu May 07, 2020 5:06 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
ThalesCoelho wrote:
I note that thats a more USA practice, not followed by other carriers from other countries. Why?

Most other countries use only letters in the registration number, to have a total of 5 characters when you include the country code (so, 1 country code letter + 4 craft ID letter, or 2 country code letters/numbers and 3 craft ID letters); whereas, in the US, it can be all numbers or numbers (up to 3) letters (up to 2), with a max of 5 positions on top of the country code N.
So, most other countries use the last 2 (or maybe 3) letters of the registration number as fleet number. Since it's letters, it gives you many more combination possibilities (24^2 = 576, since no "O" or "I") than numbers (100 max).


Makes sense, thank you!
 
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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Fri May 08, 2020 9:08 pm

JetBlue's is relatively simple, owing to a (relatively) small fleet and few variants of aircraft.

E190s: N1##JB - N3##JB
A320s: N5##J# - N8##J# -- most common suffix is JB, but occasionally JT/JL are used if the JB suffix unavailable
A321ceo: N9##J# -- most common suffix is JB, but occasionally JT/JL/JE are used if the JB suffix is unavailable
A321neo: N2###J
A220 (presumptive): N4###J
 
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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Fri May 08, 2020 11:40 pm

AA94 wrote:
JetBlue's is relatively simple, owing to a (relatively) small fleet and few variants of aircraft.

E190s: N1##JB - N3##JB
A320s: N5##J# - N8##J# -- most common suffix is JB, but occasionally JT/JL are used if the JB suffix unavailable
A321ceo: N9##J# -- most common suffix is JB, but occasionally JT/JL/JE are used if the JB suffix is unavailable
A321neo: N2###J
A220 (presumptive): N4###J

How do those translate into Fleet Number? You listed Registration Numbers, OP asked for Fleet Numbers.
 
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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Sat May 09, 2020 12:20 am

WayexTDI wrote:
AA94 wrote:
JetBlue's is relatively simple, owing to a (relatively) small fleet and few variants of aircraft.

E190s: N1##JB - N3##JB
A320s: N5##J# - N8##J# -- most common suffix is JB, but occasionally JT/JL are used if the JB suffix unavailable
A321ceo: N9##J# -- most common suffix is JB, but occasionally JT/JL/JE are used if the JB suffix is unavailable
A321neo: N2###J
A220 (presumptive): N4###J

How do those translate into Fleet Number? You listed Registration Numbers, OP asked for Fleet Numbers.


The three digits in the registration number are the ship number.

Same scheme used by Alaska, Allegiant, Frontier, Hawaiian, Spirit, Southwest (3 or 4 digits), and Sun Country.
 
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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Sat May 09, 2020 3:05 am

ThalesCoelho wrote:
I note that thats a more USA practice, not followed by other carriers from other countries. Why?


Canadian carriers do it with a more consistent pattern that the Americans do (i.e. always 3 digits) and have been using them for decades.

dwightm wrote:
BTW, does anyone know the system or have a database for how Canadian airlines select fleet numbers?


This page is pretty up-to-date (until COVID-19): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/ ... kb/pubhtml. Sadly the AC 763, E90 and all but 3 319s are gone just like that.

Some interesting tidbits:
--> Canadian carriers generally refer to the 3 digit number as a tail number instead of 'ship', while AC use FIN, which = Fleet Identification Number.
--> AC re-used the 500 series for the 737-8, which were used for the 732s they inherited from CP (and CP's predecessors), which were renumbered from 700 FINs at the time of the merger with AC, as AC's DC-9s used 700 series FINs. In addition 2 of the renumbered 7xx-5xx FINs from the legacy 732 fleet still fly with 5xx FINs with Canadian North!
--> WS don't use tail numbers ending in a 4 as they've seen it as bad luck...a Pacific Western 732 with a tail number that ended in a 4, while operating a flight number that ended in a 4, crashed in the 70s.
Sadly the AC 763, E90 and all but 3 319s are gone just like that.

Now as for how Canadian carriers choose fleet number series, I guess that's up to them. Some airlines like Flair have used aircraft type to match series (i.e. 734 = 400s & 738 = 800s). WS has partially done this with 738 = 800s and Q400s = 400s. Ironically they adopted CP's 700s = their original 732s, then most of their 73Gs used 200 series tail numbers. The exception was their first 10 73Gs numbers 001-011 (no 004). In fact tail 007 used to be fashioned as a copy of James Bond's logo.
 
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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Sat May 09, 2020 1:53 pm

OB1504 wrote:
WayexTDI wrote:
AA94 wrote:
JetBlue's is relatively simple, owing to a (relatively) small fleet and few variants of aircraft.

E190s: N1##JB - N3##JB
A320s: N5##J# - N8##J# -- most common suffix is JB, but occasionally JT/JL are used if the JB suffix unavailable
A321ceo: N9##J# -- most common suffix is JB, but occasionally JT/JL/JE are used if the JB suffix is unavailable
A321neo: N2###J
A220 (presumptive): N4###J

How do those translate into Fleet Number? You listed Registration Numbers, OP asked for Fleet Numbers.


The three digits in the registration number are the ship number.

Same scheme used by Alaska, Allegiant, Frontier, Hawaiian, Spirit, Southwest (3 or 4 digits), and Sun Country.

Well, it's not the case with every airline, hence the question.

I know we've explained upthread how some Fleet/Tail Numbers are created for some US airlines; however, I've worked with plenty of people outside the US who did not understand that the Tail Number could be completely different than the Registration Number.
It's not obvious to everybody.
 
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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Sat May 09, 2020 2:22 pm

northstardc4m wrote:
4xx= A321

Plus exCP A320s.
Just because I stopped arguing, doesn't mean I think you are right. It just means I gave up!
 
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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Sat May 09, 2020 5:29 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
OB1504 wrote:
WayexTDI wrote:
How do those translate into Fleet Number? You listed Registration Numbers, OP asked for Fleet Numbers.


The three digits in the registration number are the ship number.

Same scheme used by Alaska, Allegiant, Frontier, Hawaiian, Spirit, Southwest (3 or 4 digits), and Sun Country.

Well, it's not the case with every airline, hence the question.

I know we've explained upthread how some Fleet/Tail Numbers are created for some US airlines; however, I've worked with plenty of people outside the US who did not understand that the Tail Number could be completely different than the Registration Number.
It's not obvious to everybody.


Are there any countries apart from Canada where aircraft registrations are all letters where an airline assigns tail numbers? I can’t think of any as most everywhere else the tail number is the last two or three letters of the aircraft’s registration.
 
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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Sat May 09, 2020 8:30 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
I know we've explained upthread how some Fleet/Tail Numbers are created for some US airlines; however, I've worked with plenty of people outside the US who did not understand that the Tail Number could be completely different than the Registration Number.
It's not obvious to everybody.


Here's a good example:

This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.
 
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Re: Fleet/Nose Numbers

Sat May 09, 2020 10:16 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
Are there any countries apart from Canada where aircraft registrations are all letters where an airline assigns tail numbers? I can’t think of any as most everywhere else the tail number is the last two or three letters of the aircraft’s registration.


KLM does this. They use the last two letters of the registration and a 3-digit number:



(they also do it in one of the smallest font sizes I've seen)


DL_Mech wrote:
WayexTDI wrote:
I know we've explained upthread how some Fleet/Tail Numbers are created for some US airlines; however, I've worked with plenty of people outside the US who did not understand that the Tail Number could be completely different than the Registration Number.
It's not obvious to everybody.


Here's a good example:



The early LAA A321s are another example of the ship number having no correlation to to the registration number. N101NN is ship 783. Starting from N118NN, it jumps up to 850.

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