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Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Wed May 06, 2020 11:26 am

Very interesting article....I do expect Emirates to accelerate the fleets retirement
https://simpleflying.com/emirates-a380-is-over/
 
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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Wed May 06, 2020 12:09 pm

The Whale killed by a microscopic virus. Among other factors of course...
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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Wed May 06, 2020 12:15 pm

OzarkD9S wrote:
The Whale killed by a microscopic virus. Among other factors of course...


The real whales - the 747s - are still alive as the cargo versions are busy, in part due to the virus.

I've never referred to the A380 as a whale - if forced into using a nickname, I'd call it Uncle Fester.
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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Wed May 06, 2020 12:18 pm

FlyHossD wrote:
OzarkD9S wrote:
The Whale killed by a microscopic virus. Among other factors of course...


The real whales - the 747s - are still alive as the cargo versions are busy, in part due to the virus.

I've never referred to the A380 as a whale - if forced into using a nickname, I'd call it Uncle Fester.


B747 is the Queen of the Sky, do you mind? A380 is the Whale of the Sky.
 
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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Wed May 06, 2020 12:18 pm

It's pretty clear that what Clark is meaning is the fact that the A380 was discontinued in 02/2019. So don't get too excited.
 
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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Wed May 06, 2020 12:19 pm

chonetsao wrote:
FlyHossD wrote:
OzarkD9S wrote:
The Whale killed by a microscopic virus. Among other factors of course...


The real whales - the 747s - are still alive as the cargo versions are busy, in part due to the virus.

I've never referred to the A380 as a whale - if forced into using a nickname, I'd call it Uncle Fester.


B747 is the Queen of the Sky, do you mind? A380 is the Whale of the Sky.


747 is the Hunchback of Seattle.
 
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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Wed May 06, 2020 12:20 pm

We’ve known the A380 is over for a while now. I’m not sure what’s changed.
 
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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Wed May 06, 2020 12:38 pm

chonetsao wrote:
FlyHossD wrote:
OzarkD9S wrote:
The Whale killed by a microscopic virus. Among other factors of course...


The real whales - the 747s - are still alive as the cargo versions are busy, in part due to the virus.

I've never referred to the A380 as a whale - if forced into using a nickname, I'd call it Uncle Fester.


B747 is the Queen of the Sky, do you mind? A380 is the Whale of the Sky.


I retired from UA; in UA parlance, the 747 was the whale and that nickname apparently existed before the A380 was even conceived. And since the 747 was the whale, the 737 was the guppy. Guppy seems to still be in use at UAL.

While never a fan of the nicknames myself, it's a "thing" at United.
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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Wed May 06, 2020 12:49 pm

TropicalSky wrote:
Very interesting article....I do expect Emirates to accelerate the fleets retirement
https://simpleflying.com/emirates-a380-is-over/


The correct and complete quote is:
“We know the A380 is over, the 747 is over but the A350 and the 787 will always have a place. They may not be ordered soon, they may have orders deferred and pushed back, but eventually they will come back, and they will be a better fit probably for global demand in the years post the pandemic,”

So no more than a clickbait title.
 
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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Wed May 06, 2020 1:08 pm

marcelh wrote:
TropicalSky wrote:
Very interesting article....I do expect Emirates to accelerate the fleets retirement
https://simpleflying.com/emirates-a380-is-over/


The correct and complete quote is:
“We know the A380 is over, the 747 is over but the A350 and the 787 will always have a place. They may not be ordered soon, they may have orders deferred and pushed back, but eventually they will come back, and they will be a better fit probably for global demand in the years post the pandemic,”

So no more than a clickbait title.


What is a bit worrying about this is, that there is no mention of the 77X. That the A380 is "over" and will gradually leave EK is no secret. Only a handful routes will be left at the end (LHR). But what will happen with the 777X? The 777s will be used as long as possible and will replaced with 787s and A350s but will the 777X have a place?
 
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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Wed May 06, 2020 1:11 pm

Forget about the Simple Flying article, this is the original article where Tim Clark made his statements.

https://www.thenational.ae/business/avi ... _Sz5rmny9I


And I agree with the sentiment already posted in this thread, the A380 program was already terminated before anyone was thinking about pandemics. You could only see it as a metaphor for a prediction that it will take time for market to recover.
 
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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Wed May 06, 2020 1:22 pm

The A380 will die soon anyway. The pandemic was just speeding up the process, from "the next few years" down to "the next few months".
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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Wed May 06, 2020 1:24 pm

Anyone know what will happen to the 8 or so frame that is yet to be delivered? Are they going to be canceled? I know both airline and manufacturers have very strict contracts when it comes to orders and one party cannot just simply walk away from it but it seems like due to this pandemic everything is possible at this point since everyone is bleeding cash assuming they have anything left.

I believed most of the parts for those frame have arrived at Toulouse and just waiting for assembly.
 
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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Wed May 06, 2020 1:26 pm

Just another chance for the haters to hate. As a passenger the A380 is the most comfortable ride I have ever been on.
 
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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Wed May 06, 2020 1:33 pm

StTim wrote:
Just another chance for the haters to hate. As a passenger the A380 is the most comfortable ride I have ever been on.


Agree. I have been on both and the A380 is by far the better passenger experience in my opinion. Hopefully Tim Clark will find a good use for it for years to come.
 
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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Wed May 06, 2020 1:46 pm

So no change in plans then to fly the A380 for another 10 years or so(end of leases) then replace.
 
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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Wed May 06, 2020 1:50 pm

StTim wrote:
Just another chance for the haters to hate. As a passenger the A380 is the most comfortable ride I have ever been on.


No, it cites statements made by the CEO of not just the biggest A380 operator, but operator of about half the A380s ever delivered. He didn't declare early retirement of A380s - that takes an accounting charge. Watch for it, though - if demands takes years to come back that's years that A380 assets are impaired.
 
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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Wed May 06, 2020 1:57 pm

Sir Tim Clark, 2013 called, they said "we told you so"

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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Wed May 06, 2020 1:58 pm

FlyHossD wrote:
OzarkD9S wrote:
The Whale killed by a microscopic virus. Among other factors of course...


The real whales - the 747s - are still alive as the cargo versions are busy, in part due to the virus.

I've never referred to the A380 as a whale - if forced into using a nickname, I'd call it Uncle Fester.

Of course it is a whale, it's like one of those beached and bloated in the hot sun, about to explode..
 
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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Wed May 06, 2020 2:01 pm

StTim wrote:
Just another chance for the haters to hate. As a passenger the A380 is the most comfortable ride I have ever been on.


So true especially the EK layout , every seat a joy even in economy ....
 
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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Wed May 06, 2020 2:02 pm

The lack of commentary about the 777X is truly the elephant in the room. He is also the largest customer for it, and if i am Boeing reading this, I would be alarmed. STC clearly mentions the A350/787 so my guess is that he will attempt to convert at least 50% of his 777X orders to the 787. If I am Boeing, I am having a "come to Jesus moment" about that program's long-term prognosis. Hopefully they are investing (what they can) in NG/ER versions of the 789/78J, a MOM/NSA to take over the 753/762/763/764/783/788, and getting the MAX into the air.
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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Wed May 06, 2020 2:04 pm

william wrote:
So no change in plans then to fly the A380 for another 10 years or so(end of leases) then replace.



Great - thats another ten years at least to fly this beautiful aircraft ... the height of aviation's achievement and the ultimate passenger experience.
 
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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Wed May 06, 2020 2:18 pm

Strato2 wrote:
It's pretty clear that what Clark is meaning is the fact that the A380 was discontinued in 02/2019. So don't get too excited.


Yeah, this is right. I read the original source.
This is nothing dramatical.

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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Wed May 06, 2020 4:53 pm

The entire airline industry is in "triage" right now, so it will take some time to determine a "diagnosis" and determine the way forward as the crisis subsides. Emirates will likely shrink, but I have my doubts that they will retire their entire fleet of fairly-new A380's permanently.

What may happen as things start to recover and international travel opens up is that Emirates will take a hard look at their A380 fleet makeup. Their newest A380's are powered with RR Trent 872's and they have around 25 of these in the fleet, 10 of which are leased. Their oldest A380's are powered by Engine Alliance GP7270's and they have around 90 of these in the fleet, approximately 45 are leased. I imagine a gradual return to service might start with the Trent-powered fleet, while the oldest 15 of the GP7200-powered fleet (all 10 years or older as of this year) may be retired. The remaining 75 of the GP7200-powered fleet will probably sit in long-term storage until demand returns.
 
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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Wed May 06, 2020 5:24 pm

The 777X has a place in the industry... so long as Boeing can fund the program well into its market maturity. As long as Boeing can survive the tepid initial demand that coincides with the its market arrival, the 777X will do just fine.

The A380s exist today and won’t magically disappear with no replacement in the next decade. The 777X is poised to take that market with a healthier profit margin. Trunk routes will still exist even after COVID-19.

The biggest threat the 777X has is a beefed up/lengthened A350... but that’s a game for another season.
 
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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Wed May 06, 2020 5:35 pm

Strato2 wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
FlyHossD wrote:

The real whales - the 747s - are still alive as the cargo versions are busy, in part due to the virus.

I've never referred to the A380 as a whale - if forced into using a nickname, I'd call it Uncle Fester.


B747 is the Queen of the Sky, do you mind? A380 is the Whale of the Sky.


747 is the Hunchback of Seattle.


or maybe the hunchback of noted fame!
 
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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Wed May 06, 2020 5:37 pm

StTim wrote:
Just another chance for the haters to hate. As a passenger the A380 is the most comfortable ride I have ever been on.


Yes, must agree. Not even a close second, especially noise-wise.
 
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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Wed May 06, 2020 5:40 pm

Strato2 wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
FlyHossD wrote:
The real whales - the 747s - are still alive as the cargo versions are busy, in part due to the virus.
I've never referred to the A380 as a whale - if forced into using a nickname, I'd call it Uncle Fester.

B747 is the Queen of the Sky, do you mind? A380 is the Whale of the Sky.

747 is the Hunchback of Seattle.


Nope. That was this.
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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Wed May 06, 2020 5:54 pm

Galwayman wrote:
william wrote:
So no change in plans then to fly the A380 for another 10 years or so(end of leases) then replace.



Great - thats another ten years at least to fly this beautiful aircraft ... the height of aviation's achievement


:shakehead:

 
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Wed May 06, 2020 6:33 pm

I wonder why he didn’t mention the 777X. I think the 777X still has a place at Emirates. It will be their new flagship. Before this it was due to start replacing their 777s but how it will replace their 380s while the 787/350 will replace their current 777s. A much more flexible fleet IMO
 
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Wed May 06, 2020 6:43 pm

I think the 777X is in a lot of trouble. First of all, they’ve only sold 300 of them. The 777-300ER is a very capable aeroplane and there’s loads of young and middle-ages frames out there. In the face of an extinction level drop in traffic, D checks on the existing fleet makes a lot more sense than buying new. Unlike in the case of the wretched Max, where delays have now become so long that customers can walk with deposits refunded (a temptation that will prove too great for many), extant orders will probably turn into deliveries, but I’ll be amazed if it gets one more order. By the time the market recovers, it’ll be time for a clean sheet design.
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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Wed May 06, 2020 7:26 pm

sgbroimp wrote:
Strato2 wrote:
747 is the Hunchback of Seattle.

or maybe the hunchback of noted fame!

....it's "Hunchback of Puget Sound"

First coined online right here on A.net, by yours truly, in 2000. ;)



StTim wrote:
Just another chance for the haters to hate. As a passenger the A380 is the most comfortable ride I have ever been on.

That settles it then folks! ....the plane isn't being retired as an utter financial failure and far earlier than expected, because random person finds (unnamed airline's configuration generalized as a characteristic of the entire aircraft model) "comfortable" :grin:
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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Wed May 06, 2020 7:44 pm

FlyHossD wrote:
OzarkD9S wrote:
The Whale killed by a microscopic virus. Among other factors of course...


The real whales - the 747s - are still alive as the cargo versions are busy, in part due to the virus.

I've never referred to the A380 as a whale - if forced into using a nickname, I'd call it Uncle Fester.


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Wed May 06, 2020 8:15 pm

chonetsao wrote:
FlyHossD wrote:
OzarkD9S wrote:
The Whale killed by a microscopic virus. Among other factors of course...


The real whales - the 747s - are still alive as the cargo versions are busy, in part due to the virus.

I've never referred to the A380 as a whale - if forced into using a nickname, I'd call it Uncle Fester.


B747 is the Queen of the Sky, do you mind? A380 is the Whale of the Sky.


Everyone can use nicknames that they like. Within the industry, specifically by pilots the 747 is called both the "Queen of the Skies" and the "Whale". If you actually look on sites where pilots post, you will see 747 guys listed as "WhaleDriver74" etc.
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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Wed May 06, 2020 8:20 pm

Aye aye Sir ….. meanwhile the article just says "CEO Tim Clark …"
 
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Wed May 06, 2020 8:24 pm

cedarjet wrote:
I think the 777X is in a lot of trouble. First of all, they’ve only sold 300 of them. The 777-300ER is a very capable aeroplane and there’s loads of young and middle-ages frames out there. In the face of an extinction level drop in traffic, D checks on the existing fleet makes a lot more sense than buying new. Unlike in the case of the wretched Max, where delays have now become so long that customers can walk with deposits refunded (a temptation that will prove too great for many), extant orders will probably turn into deliveries, but I’ll be amazed if it gets one more order. By the time the market recovers, it’ll be time for a clean sheet design.


Same applied for A35100 which has the fewer orders.

Same applied for A33neo, many customers like XAirAsia won't taking delivery ever agains.

Same applied for all jets. Denamd is low or nils.
 
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Wed May 06, 2020 9:10 pm

Momo1435 wrote:
Forget about the Simple Flying article, this is the original article where Tim Clark made his statements.

https://www.thenational.ae/business/avi ... _Sz5rmny9I


And I agree with the sentiment already posted in this thread, the A380 program was already terminated before anyone was thinking about pandemics. You could only see it as a metaphor for a prediction that it will take time for market to recover.


One could see the A380 being retired well before expected end of life though. The B777X likely will have a future as it isn't really a VLA frame (the MTOW will be 351.5 tonnes). The programs that this may help more than anything? The A339 and A35K. At Emirates, the A339 would fill the role of the 6-8 hour mission, and the A35K a less-premium role but for longer-haul, especially if newer B77Ws are reconfigured with a product rivaling Q Suite, which would sacrifice a good deal of Y, then have a small W, and Y+. A B77W with 300 seats (EK B77Ws currently have around 360 seats in F/J/Y) might not sound too bad, especially with more room for belly cargo payload.
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Wed May 06, 2020 9:19 pm

It's interesting how STC was twisting arms to get an A380neo only 4-5 years ago which would have committed his company to taking 50 more Whales. He should be thanking the wiser heads at Airbus and RR for taking away the rope he was about to hang himself with.

It's also interesting that he projects an image of a healthy EK when it has most of its planes on the ground and will be moving into an uncertain future with a lot more competition than its ever faced before and a lot less potential customers. That's the kind of confidence one gets when the business is owned by the guy whose face is on the money.

Jefford717 wrote:
Anyone know what will happen to the 8 or so frame that is yet to be delivered? Are they going to be canceled? I know both airline and manufacturers have very strict contracts when it comes to orders and one party cannot just simply walk away from it but it seems like due to this pandemic everything is possible at this point since everyone is bleeding cash assuming they have anything left.

I believed most of the parts for those frame have arrived at Toulouse and just waiting for assembly.

Right, the wings are in TLS and the wing factory is shut down. It's way too late for cancellation. Maybe a deal could be worked out to defer delivery. We already know EK asked for deferment.

GEUltraFan9XGTF wrote:
The lack of commentary about the 777X is truly the elephant in the room. He is also the largest customer for it, and if i am Boeing reading this, I would be alarmed. STC clearly mentions the A350/787 so my guess is that he will attempt to convert at least 50% of his 777X orders to the 787. If I am Boeing, I am having a "come to Jesus moment" about that program's long-term prognosis. Hopefully they are investing (what they can) in NG/ER versions of the 789/78J, a MOM/NSA to take over the 753/762/763/764/783/788, and getting the MAX into the air.

I doubt a blogger's aggregation of STC's comments to a newspaper will trigger such a "come to Jesus" moment for Boeing.

I'm sure they already have massive amounts of inputs from their customers about their posture with regard to 777x orders, their own posture with regard to spending on 777x, and strong grasp of what contractual obligations they and their customers have to each other. Maybe the well paid executives who make the big decisions will earn their giant pay packages or maybe not. Anything we say on this forum won't matter a jot, IMO. The die is largely cast for the 777x. The factories are built and the first two planes are following. There's not much they can do to change the fate of the program at this point, IMO.

Calhoun has said what Boeing is actually doing:

Though new aircraft are not forthcoming, Calhoun insists Boeing “is not out of the product development business”. The airframer will develop variations to its existing line of commercial aircraft and invest in projects to modernise manufacturing and engineering.

The “true differentiator” of Boeing’s next aircraft will be “the way we manufacture and the way we engineer, as opposed to the… design of the airplane itself”, Calhoun says.

“We have not let up on the investment we put into those capabilities,” he adds.

Ref: https://www.flightglobal.com/airframers ... 49.article

Maybe that lines up with your shopping list, maybe it doesn't, but maybe we should be focusing on the A380 as the title suggests.
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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Wed May 06, 2020 9:29 pm

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StTim wrote:
Just another chance for the haters to hate. As a passenger the A380 is the most comfortable ride I have ever been on.

Yes, must agree. Not even a close second, especially noise-wise.

And yet the guy who signed the contracts for more A380s than anyone else by far says the platform is dead. Does this make STC a 'hater'?
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Wed May 06, 2020 9:34 pm

FrenchPotatoEye wrote:
Same applied for A35100 which has the fewer orders.

Same applied for A33neo, many customers like XAirAsia won't taking delivery ever agains.

Same applied for all jets. Denamd is low or nils.

The right names are:
A350-1000
A330neo
AirAsia X

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Wed May 06, 2020 11:40 pm

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Just another chance for the haters to hate. As a passenger the A380 is the most comfortable ride I have ever been on.

Last fall I flew to the Philippines on KE. The flight from JFK to ICN was on an A380, the return flight was on a 748. The A380 was definitely smoother and quieter, but not by a huge margin. But I will never voluntarily fly on one again, and here’s why. I have found that the only way I can sleep on an airplane is to get a window seat and lean against the sidewall. This works on most planes but not the A380, because the sidewall curves away from the seat, leaving about a foot clearance at shoulder height. Add in the immensely thick sidewalls and tiny windows and the resulting experience for me was decidedly unsatisfactory. The 748, on the other hand, met all expectations.
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Thu May 07, 2020 12:53 am

LAX772LR wrote:

StTim wrote:
Just another chance for the haters to hate. As a passenger the A380 is the most comfortable ride I have ever been on.

That settles it then folks! ....the plane isn't being retired as an utter financial failure and far earlier than expected, because random person finds (unnamed airline's configuration generalized as a characteristic of the entire aircraft model) "comfortable" :grin:


I know what is going to happen to at least a couple A380s.

They will be bought by Alitalia, and used on a daily IAD-FCO route.

This will give the opportunity to merge two classic A.net threads into one. Eat you heart out, you can-Boeing-restart-the-757-line A.net weenies.

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Thu May 07, 2020 4:42 am

Bhoy wrote:
Galwayman wrote:
william wrote:
So no change in plans then to fly the A380 for another 10 years or so(end of leases) then replace.



Great - thats another ten years at least to fly this beautiful aircraft ... the height of aviation's achievement


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PANAMsterdam
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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Thu May 07, 2020 8:01 am

What's going to happen with those 8 still on order? Perhaps they can donate those whales to Sea World :duck: :duck: :duck:
Every country has an airline. The world has Pan Am.
 
ewt340
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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Thu May 07, 2020 8:33 am

Ey? He's 2 years too late isn't he?

There isn't any market for 400 seater no more.
350 seater is the largest one the aviation industry could handle realistically all year round.
Such massive plane just wouldn't work, especially on low-season.
 
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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Thu May 07, 2020 9:11 am

ewt340 wrote:
350 seater is the largest one the aviation industry could handle realistically all year round.


*Sad Boeing 77W noises*

There are plenty of airlines that can profitably use their 777's year round. There's always There used to be always demand for flights to airports like LAX, JFK, ORD, LHR, FRA, JNB, PEK, HND and so on. The 777 does that job very well.
Every country has an airline. The world has Pan Am.
 
itisi
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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Thu May 07, 2020 11:28 am

StTim wrote:
Just another chance for the haters to hate. As a passenger the A380 is the most comfortable ride I have ever been on.


Well said... Let them hate, we know they love the 380...but they just can't say it.

SUPER comfortable and smooth.... Not to mention so quiet. Not sure what I'll book my holidays around in the future when they are gone....
737-300/400/500 ... are NOT classics :)
 
marcelh
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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Thu May 07, 2020 11:55 am

itisi wrote:
StTim wrote:
Just another chance for the haters to hate. As a passenger the A380 is the most comfortable ride I have ever been on.


Well said... Let them hate, we know they love the 380...but they just can't say it.

SUPER comfortable and smooth.... Not to mention so quiet. Not sure what I'll book my holidays around in the future when they are gone....

That “gone” will at least be 10-15 years from now. Also AC (After COVID19) there are enough routes to fill an A380 profitably. Not for their current fleet, but that was already planned.
 
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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Thu May 07, 2020 11:58 am

marcelh wrote:
itisi wrote:
StTim wrote:
Just another chance for the haters to hate. As a passenger the A380 is the most comfortable ride I have ever been on.

Well said... Let them hate, we know they love the 380...but they just can't say it.

SUPER comfortable and smooth.... Not to mention so quiet. Not sure what I'll book my holidays around in the future when they are gone....

That “gone” will at least be 10-15 years from now. Also AC (After COVID19) there are enough routes to fill an A380 profitably. Not for their current fleet, but that was already planned.

A lot will depend on the price of oil - it will be gone quicker than 10 years if oil rises above USD 150 but it may stick around much longer than 10 years if oil prices are nearer USD 50.
 
marcelh
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Re: Sir Tim Clark "A380 is OVER"

Thu May 07, 2020 12:06 pm

flee wrote:
marcelh wrote:
itisi wrote:
Well said... Let them hate, we know they love the 380...but they just can't say it.

SUPER comfortable and smooth.... Not to mention so quiet. Not sure what I'll book my holidays around in the future when they are gone....

That “gone” will at least be 10-15 years from now. Also AC (After COVID19) there are enough routes to fill an A380 profitably. Not for their current fleet, but that was already planned.

A lot will depend on the price of oil - it will be gone quicker than 10 years if oil rises above USD 150 but it may stick around much longer than 10 years if oil prices are nearer USD 50.

Oil prices above USD 150 will mean there is something serious going on with oil production. In a “normal” world, the oil price won’t rise that high.

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