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Did the Concorde ever fly TPAC?

Wed May 06, 2020 6:08 pm

Did the Concorde ever fly TPAC? I remember hearing about it flying on a world tour LAX-NAN-SYD sometime in the 80's or 90's. Anyone have more information?
 
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Re: Did the Concorde ever fly TPAC?

Wed May 06, 2020 6:17 pm

It certainly did some around the World flights.

eg here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYvRHcJAZCU
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Re: Did the Concorde ever fly TPAC?

Wed May 06, 2020 6:19 pm

I’d like to know the routing of the Concorde to Hong Kong from Paris. I once did on my home simulator Paris-Moscow (?) subsonic (that was hard) and then towards... Chengdu I believe at supersonic (it’s a lot of unpopulated land), then to Hong Kong.
 
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Re: Did the Concorde ever fly TPAC?

Wed May 06, 2020 6:20 pm

There is a documentary produced (I had it on VHS tape) about a round the world trip.
 
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Re: Did the Concorde ever fly TPAC?

Wed May 06, 2020 6:25 pm

This was BA's last Round The World Charter, even before subsequent events it was seen as being likely the last, (though there was the 'African Queen' tour around that continent in early 2000.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB-smagT0O4
 
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Re: Did the Concorde ever fly TPAC?

Wed May 06, 2020 6:27 pm

CarlosSi wrote:
I’d like to know the routing of the Concorde to Hong Kong from Paris. I once did on my home simulator Paris-Moscow (?) subsonic (that was hard) and then towards... Chengdu I believe at supersonic (it’s a lot of unpopulated land), then to Hong Kong.

It would be a shame if the simulator people got sonic boomed
 
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Re: Did the Concorde ever fly TPAC?

Wed May 06, 2020 6:52 pm

Don’t know why Singapore Airlines tried to make SIN-BAH-LHR work when the obvious winner would have been a supersonic corridor SIN HKG NRT, both legs overwater, masses of business traffic, lots of prestige. I guess they knew better than some idiot on a forum but I would have thought that would have lasted until 2003.
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Re: Did the Concorde ever fly TPAC?

Wed May 06, 2020 7:00 pm

cedarjet wrote:
Don’t know why Singapore Airlines tried to make SIN-BAH-LHR work when the obvious winner would have been a supersonic corridor SIN HKG NRT, both legs overwater, masses of business traffic, lots of prestige. I guess they knew better than some idiot on a forum but I would have thought that would have lasted until 2003.

Because it wasn’t SQ’s aircraft. The service was jointly operated with BA who wanted the Concorde on the Kangaroo route. BA was using SQ to help get permission from Singapore government to use the Concorde at SIN.

I don’t think scheduled SIN-SYD service ever ended up happening like BA was hoping though.
 
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Re: Did the Concorde ever fly TPAC?

Wed May 06, 2020 7:11 pm

cedarjet wrote:
Don’t know why Singapore Airlines tried to make SIN-BAH-LHR work when the obvious winner would have been a supersonic corridor SIN HKG NRT, both legs overwater, masses of business traffic, lots of prestige. I guess they knew better than some idiot on a forum but I would have thought that would have lasted until 2003.


A major limitation was airframes, or the lack of them, the need to concentrate on the core service for London and New York.

One of these days, maybe while this lockdown/furlough goes on, I'll do a 'what if?' based on some limited extra production and even sales based on this;
http://www.concordesst.com/concordeb.html
 
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Re: Did the Concorde ever fly TPAC?

Wed May 06, 2020 8:57 pm

cedarjet wrote:
Don’t know why Singapore Airlines tried to make SIN-BAH-LHR work when the obvious winner would have been a supersonic corridor SIN HKG NRT, both legs overwater, masses of business traffic, lots of prestige. I guess they knew better than some idiot on a forum but I would have thought that would have lasted until 2003.

SQ would've had to order its own Concordes to do that.

BA was still the sole operator of Concorde for the SQ collaboration; it was just a joint marketing agreement where the aircraft would take on a few Singapore Girls and switch out some interior appointments to carry the SQ logo. And of course the half-livery on G-BOAD.

Flight crew, registration and certificate were still 100% BA.
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Re: Did the Concorde ever fly TPAC?

Wed May 06, 2020 9:12 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
cedarjet wrote:
Don’t know why Singapore Airlines tried to make SIN-BAH-LHR work when the obvious winner would have been a supersonic corridor SIN HKG NRT, both legs overwater, masses of business traffic, lots of prestige. I guess they knew better than some idiot on a forum but I would have thought that would have lasted until 2003.

SQ would've had to order its own Concordes to do that.

BA was still the sole operator of Concorde for the SQ collaboration; it was just a joint marketing agreement where the aircraft would take on a few Singapore Girls and switch out some interior appointments to carry the SQ logo. And of course the half-livery on G-BOAD.

Flight crew, registration and certificate were still 100% BA.


And the plan was to start flying into SYD from SIN. London to Sydney in about 14 or 15 hours?

Back on topic, Pretty sure Concorde flew from Vancouver to Honolulu to Guam to Fiji and then to Sydney. Sydney up to somewhere else, then India, Venice and back to Heathrow. All part of a RTW charter.

There was a few, I think that was the last one.
 
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Re: Did the Concorde ever fly TPAC?

Wed May 06, 2020 9:25 pm

32andBelow wrote:
CarlosSi wrote:
I’d like to know the routing of the Concorde to Hong Kong from Paris. I once did on my home simulator Paris-Moscow (?) subsonic (that was hard) and then towards... Chengdu I believe at supersonic (it’s a lot of unpopulated land), then to Hong Kong.

It would be a shame if the simulator people got sonic boomed


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Re: Did the Concorde ever fly TPAC?

Wed May 06, 2020 9:42 pm

Arion640 wrote:
Back on topic, Pretty sure Concorde flew from Vancouver to Honolulu to Guam to Fiji and then to Sydney. Sydney up to somewhere else, then India, Venice and back to Heathrow. All part of a RTW charter.

It varied by the year.

My mother and sister did it, and for them it was LAS-HNL-RAR-SYD
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Re: Did the Concorde ever fly TPAC?

Wed May 06, 2020 10:34 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
Back on topic, Pretty sure Concorde flew from Vancouver to Honolulu to Guam to Fiji and then to Sydney. Sydney up to somewhere else, then India, Venice and back to Heathrow. All part of a RTW charter.

It varied by the year.

My mother and sister did it, and for them it was LAS-HNL-RAR-SYD


If you’re interested, they made a documentary of the final RTW. https://youtu.be/fB-smagT0O4

Looks like the route was London-JFK-Vancouver-Hawaii-Nadi-Sydney-Guam-Bangkok-Madras-nairobi-Jordon-Venice-London.
 
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Re: Did the Concorde ever fly TPAC?

Wed May 06, 2020 10:47 pm

I was on a trip to the Big Island of Hawaii, I think it was in the very late 1990s. I recall I saw the Concorde at KOA as part of a special, I presume RTW, trip. I had seen the plane in Sydney too I think. That had to be in the late 1980s but I am fuzzier on that one.
 
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Re: Did the Concorde ever fly TPAC?

Thu May 07, 2020 1:41 am

Arion640 wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
Back on topic, Pretty sure Concorde flew from Vancouver to Honolulu to Guam to Fiji and then to Sydney. Sydney up to somewhere else, then India, Venice and back to Heathrow. All part of a RTW charter.

It varied by the year.

My mother and sister did it, and for them it was LAS-HNL-RAR-SYD

If you’re interested, they made a documentary of the final RTW. https://youtu.be/fB-smagT0O4

Looks like the route was London-JFK-Vancouver-Hawaii-Nadi-Sydney-Guam-Bangkok-Madras-nairobi-Jordon-Venice-London.

Nice.

They did AF. For that aircraft, it was CDG-JFK-LAS-HNL-RAR-CHC*-SYD-DPS-HKG-DEL-NBO-CDG
They boarded in LAS. Most pax boarded in CDG, and some in JFK.

*(forgot about that one, in the above explanation)
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Re: Did the Concorde ever fly TPAC?

Thu May 07, 2020 6:40 am

I remember an Air France Concorde doing a MNL-HKG-MNL round-trip; carrying Imelda Marcos, on a shopping trip. On the return leg , the Concorde did a low fly-past over Hong Kong island...remember seeing it through my bedroom window.
 
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Re: Did the Concorde ever fly TPAC?

Thu May 07, 2020 8:58 am

The first British Airways Concorde RTW trip was a 16 day tour in November 1986. It routed London Heathrow--New York JFK--Oakland--Honolulu--Guam--Hong Kong--Denpasar Bali--Colombo--Bahrain--Cairo--London Heathrow. Total distance covered was 22,983 miles and airborne flying time was 30 hours 46 minutes with 15 hours 15 minutes of that in supersonic flight. G-BOAF flew supersonic on each sector other than New York--Oakland, and Bahrain--Cairo.

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